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Evan Marinovsky and Conor Ryan discuss the potential return for the Bruins if they were to deal goaltender Linus Ullmark. They then go over potential high-end talent for the Bruins to pursue this offseason, and respond to a tweet from a listener.  0:00 - Conor's Troubling Trend 5:12 - Bruins Playoff Performance 7:17 - Ottawa's Interest in Ullmark 10:54 - Ullmark's Decision 13:29 - Making a case 19:48 - Learning a new language 23:00 - Ullmark's future plans 26:13 - GameTime 32:32 - Numbers Concerns 34:22 - Center Depth Importance  Poke the Bear is brought to you by:  Prize Picks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Gametime! Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co !

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00:00 And welcome to Poke the Bear episode 233 presented by PrizePix and GameTime.

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00:29 I'm Evan Maranofsky, that's Connor Ryan.

00:31 Connor, what is up?

00:33 Evan, I'm doing well.

00:35 How are you doing?

00:37 Doing great, doing great.

00:38 Connor, we got to talk about a troubling trend with you.

00:42 Something that popped up.

00:45 It was reinforced on Wednesday night.

00:47 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:49 Do you have a curse?

00:51 Is there such thing as a Connor championship curse?

00:54 I don't believe so.

00:55 No, I think that's incorrect, Evan.

00:57 In fact, I strongly push back against such accusations that I am a blight on championship

01:04 contention.

01:05 Well, we're going to need some we're going to need some evidence on that side because

01:09 you were at.

01:10 I'll be at the I'll be at the yeah, I'll be at the final.

01:12 So don't worry, we'll figure it out.

01:14 They'll be at the.

01:15 I know.

01:16 Yeah, I know.

01:17 I know what you're about to say that the latest example is not a good one in terms of the

01:22 case you're making here.

01:23 But don't worry.

01:26 Are you at the 22 Celtics Warriors NBA final too?

01:30 That is redacted information.

01:31 I won't share that on the podcast.

01:34 Oh, my God.

01:36 Holy crap.

01:38 You might be cursed.

01:39 You might be cursed.

01:41 I don't think so.

01:42 I think that PWHL Minnesota played a great game in a clinching scenario on Wednesday

01:50 up and low.

01:51 Shout out to PWHL Boston for a very successful first season.

01:56 I think as unfortunate as they come up short in that game to see the energy in that crowd,

02:02 the cheers before the game, during the game, even after the game where you had, you know,

02:08 cheers for them, even as, you know, PWHL Minnesota was celebrating.

02:13 I think that's probably the most emphatic stamp you have in terms of the strides that

02:17 that team in this league made, and I think only onward and upward for PWHL Boston.

02:22 So shout out to them for a season.

02:24 And it's not my fault that they came up short on Wednesday.

02:27 It's not my fault, Evan.

02:28 I love seeing the success they had in their first season.

02:33 The place was packed right on Wednesday night.

02:35 Not a, you know, it was not an open seat.

02:38 There were standing room only.

02:40 Very expensive.

02:41 I saw the ticket prices.

02:42 I was like, Whoa.

02:44 Also like song is very underrated place to watch a game.

02:47 I've always really liked the song is center.

02:49 I know it's up in Lowell and I would love for the PWHL Boston team to find a home kind

02:55 of closer to Boston.

02:56 It's very tough to get up to Lowell, especially at that time.

03:00 But that's a arena like that's a very underrated hockey's rank in my opinion.

03:04 Yeah, exactly.

03:05 It's like if I understand like wanted to go somewhere maybe more centrally located, you

03:10 can get maybe more people from either the city or even like the South shore.

03:14 I came from Gillette.

03:15 I was at Gillette in the morning and then drove to Lowell and that was an adventure.

03:20 But that's the thing though is like, yeah, it's not.

03:23 I think it's just a location wise.

03:25 It's just can sometimes be a little bit of a headache for getting to song.

03:28 It's both the facilities in the arena are great.

03:31 Like it's all right.

03:32 You want to go to Boston?

03:33 Do you want to do you want to play at Conti Forum?

03:36 Oh, oh, that's kind of that campus.

03:38 Again, talking about being centrally located to go all the way out Newton, go leave the

03:42 city to get out to that to that shithouse bond.

03:45 So can't do that.

03:47 Yeah, I can't do that.

03:49 I agree.

03:50 And it's great to see and shout out to Danielle Marmer for a hell of a first year as a GM

03:55 or former former Bruins.

03:56 So great stuff there.

03:59 Unfortunately, they couldn't pull it out in game five.

04:02 But it's on my you're going to need to have a bounce on my phone with the Celtics.

04:07 This is on.

04:08 This is now officially on.

04:09 I'm not going to name all the championships.

04:11 People can probably do the math, but the numbers together.

04:14 But I don't know, have you ever seen it?

04:17 You're the team that you're covering.

04:18 Have you seen them win a championship in person?

04:21 I covered the 2015 Cape Cod Baseball League and I was there on site to see one of the

04:29 team from the Cape Cod Baseball League win the Cape Cod Baseball League Championship.

04:32 So I think it's tough to refute that one, Evan.

04:35 You know what?

04:36 That might just be all the evidence that you need to support your case.

04:40 It's OK, actually, at the New England Prep School Championship.

04:42 So before every round of the playoffs, I would do predictions piece and I was like scorching

04:48 hot going into the championship in the semifinals.

04:50 I got like final scores.

04:52 Correct.

04:53 It was pretty crazy.

04:54 Final championship day over three baby over three.

04:58 Got them all wrong.

04:59 And parents had no problem just dunking on me at every turn and props to them.

05:03 I mean, they deserve to be able to do that.

05:06 So I guess predicting prep championships, I'm not great at either.

05:09 So I guess we're even.

05:10 You know what?

05:11 Now that I'm thinking about this, Evan, let's talk about the fact that the Bruins have had

05:15 two very successful regular seasons and I've been to all those.

05:19 And who waltzes in on Causeway Street in the playoffs?

05:23 All hunky dory than Evan Marinovsky, who all of a sudden the Bruins either they can't score,

05:31 they can't do anything, they come up short.

05:33 Who's the actual outlier?

05:35 Who's the Kaiser Sosa who's sneaking in and causing havoc everywhere he goes?

05:39 I think you should speak to your own actions in terms, especially the Bruins perspective.

05:44 What's going on here?

05:45 Hey, they did win a playoff round this year.

05:47 It was very exciting game seven.

05:48 So they did win a round and they did pretty much do what we thought they would do.

05:54 And in 2019, they went to the they went to the cup final.

05:57 They were, you know, they had a successful playoff run that year.

05:59 They just couldn't pull it out.

06:00 So yeah, I guess I guess maybe it is me.

06:05 Maybe next year I won't go to any.

06:06 If you're if you're if you're putting a curse down on me, I'm dragging you with me.

06:09 I'm dragging you into the the second third level of hell with me.

06:13 If that's what you're doing here on this podcast, I'm taking everyone down with me.

06:16 Yeah, you're just you're you're you're bringing me down.

06:20 And what's best is the listeners right now are like, shut the fuck up.

06:24 Listen, everyone, guys, it is May 30th.

06:28 The season hasn't been over yet.

06:30 It's been raining all day.

06:32 I just took the trash in.

06:33 There's nothing else going on right now.

06:35 We got to make do.

06:36 We got it.

06:37 We got to fill time.

06:38 At the end, we're going to do our top five favorite young Sheldon moments.

06:42 We're going to do I'll do it.

06:43 Yes, exactly.

06:44 If we get a snarky comment on this, all of a sudden, yeah, we're going to start talking

06:47 about the Big Bang Theory, how I met your mother, all these shows that I haven't seen.

06:52 And I'm glad I haven't.

06:54 But God help me.

06:55 We might have to get to that point.

06:57 We're going to review late night television.

06:59 How bad those shows are now.

07:00 Like, what's your favorite side character of Roseanne?

07:03 And boy, you could really get me going with that one.

07:07 You know, so much, so much there.

07:10 Anyways, a little piece of news, a little tidbit came out of Ottawa recently.

07:17 Bruce Gary Osher, the Ottawa Sun, wrote after failing in a bid to acquire a goaltender,

07:21 Alina Solmark from the Bruins at the trade deadline in March, Senators GM Steve Staos

07:26 and the club's hockey operations department are expected to make another pitch for the

07:30 draft set for June 28th and 9th in Vegas.

07:33 The Senators, Kings and Devils were among several teams that made a push for the 30

07:37 year old Omar for the deadline.

07:38 Now here's where things get interesting.

07:40 Quote, a league executive said Thursday he believes the Senators would likely have to

07:45 offer defenseman Jacob Chikran, who has legitimately never been not on the trade block in his career,

07:52 like every single year is getting traded along with a first round pick and another selection

07:58 to acquire Omar.

07:59 And then he has the hammer because he does have the modified no trade clause, which is

08:03 the worst part about this.

08:05 I will say this, Connor, if that is the, if that is the package for Alina Solmark, whether

08:11 it be with the Senators, if he ever accepted that trade, which I don't know why he would,

08:14 but if he did or somewhere else, right, uh, impact roster player, a first round pick,

08:20 and then potentially another draft pick.

08:23 Holy crap.

08:25 If that's what it is, I mean, my God, I think Bruins fans would drive Alina Solmark to Logan

08:29 airport themselves.

08:30 Well, Evan, I think when you look at that report from Ottawa, we have to figure out

08:35 who the league executive is because, uh, is it Don Sweeney?

08:40 Because I don't know how the, how the, how the hell that is going to be the return.

08:44 I would be like, we need like Connor McDavid, you know, like exactly.

08:50 I mean, yeah, again, it's so tough to gauge what the return is for a number one goaltender,

08:57 right?

08:58 I mean, there's a pretty wide variance in terms of, um, these players and what they,

09:03 what they offer.

09:04 But even if it's like on the high end of something, it's still like not going to be, I think like

09:08 a player with term or anything like that.

09:10 Like maybe it's a first round pick, but like, I don't know if it's going to be a top 10.

09:13 Like I know, what was it?

09:15 Vancouver got the number nine overall pick, I think for trading Corey Schneider and they

09:19 got Bo Horvat off of that.

09:21 Like that seems like a best case scenario, but like that would be the only piece.

09:25 And that was years ago and now it was 2013 I think.

09:28 So like that is probably the best case scenario.

09:31 You know, people look at Marty Natchez, which again, if you're looking for a high impact

09:34 player that makes a lot of sense and you could spin it in terms of like, he's a restricted

09:40 free agent.

09:41 You're gonna have to sign him to a big contract.

09:42 So that's why Carolina would even dangle him.

09:44 But that being said, it feels like you have to include another piece on top of that.

09:48 Like, you know, all Mark and Fabian Lysell or something like that to get that done.

09:55 Like that seems like a best case scenario in terms of actual talent.

09:59 But to get a guy like Chikran, who's under contract on a good deal for one more year,

10:03 but a legit top floor defenseman, a first round pick, which I think they have two Ottawa,

10:07 but like, I don't know if you're getting their, their, their own pick there in terms of that

10:13 or another player as well.

10:15 I can't see that being any situation in which Ottawa would actually dangle that on the market.

10:21 And as you said, the most pressing thing here is what exactly is Linus Olmark going to be

10:26 doing?

10:27 You know, would he even waive it for a team like Ottawa?

10:30 Because again, we can play like the, the guess who as to where he would go.

10:36 I can't see Ottawa being a team that he's rearing and ready to go play for.

10:41 When you look at the fact that their facilities aren't really that great.

10:44 Ottawa is not really a hotbed place to go.

10:47 Yes, it's not out West or anything like that, but it's also not a, a very good team.

10:54 So if you're Olmark, you're trying to contend, trying to get that number one spot.

10:57 And also like as a guy who's going to be a free agent next year, put together a strong

11:01 season, would you rather go to Ottawa where like every year it seems like they've got

11:06 pieces and then it all implodes, especially defensively.

11:08 Or would you rather go to, you know, a team like New Jersey who did make the playoffs,

11:14 has good pieces and is due for a bounce back or a team like Carolina, which numbers should

11:19 be well in terms of how structured they play.

11:21 It just, again, I got two issues.

11:23 One, even if Olmark somehow doesn't have Ottawa on his no trade list, I cannot see that whole

11:29 package being part of the return.

11:31 Maybe one of those things, maybe the first round pick, maybe Chickeran.

11:36 But I can't see that happening, nor can I see Olmark being like, yeah, Ottawa is good.

11:39 I'll take that.

11:40 I do wonder if that league executive is factoring in that the Bruins would be trading him in

11:45 division, right?

11:46 Where like, typically if you're to trade a guy like that in your own division, who is

11:51 going to be, you know, potentially, you know, making a team in your division so much better,

11:55 are you going to have to give up more for a guy like that?

11:59 I wonder if that factors into, I gotta be honest, I don't have a huge problem trading

12:04 Lena Solmark in the division.

12:07 I know that, you know, obviously he would make Ottawa better.

12:10 I mean, that probably improves them by a large, a good size margin, unless they just completely

12:16 fall apart defensively in front of him.

12:18 It is if he went there, but if you're getting a return that's like that or comparable to

12:23 that or even like half of that, I think it's good to just get the cap space.

12:27 Like I'm fine with it.

12:28 If he's going to accept a trade somewhere, like I'm okay with him going in the division.

12:32 And I know that people don't like that, but you got to have confidence in yourself.

12:36 Like you have Jeremy Swain, you have a good team, you know, Ottawa is going to be good

12:41 at some point.

12:42 I also wonder if the Bruins could potentially convince Lena Solmark, like, Hey, you know,

12:48 Ottawa, you're going to be the guy or, you know, that's like 40 minutes outside of the

12:53 city.

12:54 Yeah.

12:55 Yeah.

12:56 It'd be great.

12:57 But they do have pieces on that Ottawa team, right?

12:58 I mean, that's a team that has some young guys coming up.

13:00 Every Bruins fan wants to trade David Poshnok for Brady Kachuk.

13:02 I don't know why, but they, they do.

13:04 But Brady Kachuk is a great player and franchise got to build around a guy you want on your

13:09 team for sure.

13:10 You know, guys like Jake Sanderson and you know, they've Claude Giroux is still there.

13:17 So there are like, there's a chance that team could be good, especially with good goal attending.

13:25 So I wonder if there's any way they could convince him to want to go.

13:28 Yeah.

13:29 I mean, you could, you could make a compelling case in terms of just being a number one goalie

13:36 somewhere and leading a team.

13:38 And you know, it's like how we mapped out teams like, you know, Colorado or, you know,

13:44 Carolina or New Jersey, where it's like, they've got a good team.

13:47 They're just missing that one component that puts them over the top.

13:49 Maybe just having stable goal tending vaults Ottawa up into that level of being, you know,

13:56 not a contender, but a team that's in the mix, which hasn't been the case the last couple

14:00 of years.

14:01 Right.

14:02 So you can make the compelling case there, but it does seem like based on all Mark's

14:05 comments during breakup day, he's, I think pretty set in his ways that either, unless

14:11 the team not on his no trade list, or it's a fantastic situation, which is too tough

14:16 to pass up on.

14:17 I don't think he's going to be budging.

14:19 Like he loves, he loves playing here.

14:21 He loves playing with Jeremy Swainman.

14:23 So I don't see a scenario where the Bruins are going to be able to force him to go somewhere

14:26 he doesn't want to go.

14:27 Like if it's a team like Carolina or New Jersey, makes sense.

14:32 Still on the East coast, still able to, you know, it's still a six hour flight or six,

14:36 seven hours to Sweden.

14:37 It's not, you know, 12 from LA or anything like that.

14:43 But I just can't see it being a team like Ottawa where there's just so much variance,

14:47 even if they got, the thing is like, if, if the Senators got all Mark and have to give

14:52 up a top four defenseman, like Jacob trickering to get it done, you look at that team.

14:56 You, again, as you said, Evan, like they've got good pieces, they got some there, but

15:00 are they a team?

15:01 Like, ah, that was the missing piece.

15:02 Like if all Mark goes to Colorado, you're like shit, Ottawa with all Mark, we'll see

15:08 what they can do.

15:09 But it's almost like, you know, like if he went to, you know, a team like Detroit or

15:13 something like that, where it's like, oh, they're better, but like, oh, we'll see,

15:17 we'll see how the pieces work.

15:18 Right.

15:19 But like, I think Ottawa, there's still, there's still a couple other pieces missing

15:23 there.

15:24 Whereas you look at some of these other teams that are in desperate need for a goalie, um,

15:27 a guy like Omar can make a world of a difference.

15:30 Is there anything worse in the NHL than being a team that just cannot lock down a goalie?

15:36 Like you, like you look at like the Leafs or the Oilers, these teams that are contenders

15:41 or even look at like the Red Wings or the Senators or even the Sabres, like these teams

15:47 that have young pieces, but just get hampered by bad goaltending every night.

15:54 And you know, whenever people are like, oh, the Bruins should blow it up, you know, this

15:57 and that.

15:58 And I don't think anyone wants to trade Jeremy Swainman, um, or just ditch this whole thing

16:03 completely.

16:04 But as Bruins fans, you guys should feel pretty fortunate that you don't have that problem.

16:09 You have the complete opposite of that problem.

16:11 You have, you have a lot of options in that.

16:14 Um, I want to get into the teams where I could see him maybe going.

16:18 We've mentioned a few of them.

16:19 There's some others that would make sense, at least on paper.

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17:44 I was just looking at Twitter.

17:45 Jakub Lauko has been tweeting about Lord of the Rings for like the last day.

17:49 It's great.

17:50 I love his-

17:51 It's the offseason, man.

17:52 His day to day.

17:53 It's great.

17:54 Yeah, and same boat as us.

17:55 We got to find something to talk about.

17:56 A long offseason.

17:57 You know, I can't do Lord of the Rings talk.

17:59 I'm not a big fan of Lord of the Rings.

18:01 I'm not a big fan of Lord of the Rings.

18:03 I'm not a big fan of Lord of the Rings.

18:05 You know, I can't do Lord of the Rings talk, but you should get him on to just do like

18:10 a whole Lord of the Rings episode.

18:11 So fans of Lord of the Rings can just soak it in.

18:16 I love the film series.

18:18 It's my favorite movies of all time.

18:20 But like that dude could school me in the lore.

18:23 That guy, he is, he knows his stuff in terms of reading all the books, all those things.

18:29 Like I would be like, Ian McKellen, he's a good actor.

18:32 That's all I got.

18:33 This would be like me with like super bad.

18:38 I can quote that entire.

18:39 I could probably quote that movie from like start to finish.

18:43 That is just such a.

18:44 How old were you when that movie came out?

18:47 Movie came out.

18:48 Was that seven?

18:49 Oh, seven.

18:50 So, I mean, I didn't see it then, but that was a movie I saw, you know, years later and

18:55 even seeing it years later, I was like, this is the funniest movie I have ever seen.

18:59 And the craziest part is that movie was written by high school kids like Jonah Hill.

19:03 And I think the other one, Michael Sarah, well, Michael Sarah didn't write it, but someone

19:09 wrote it with him in high school.

19:11 It was Seth Rogen, wasn't it?

19:12 Wasn't he like the writer of it or something?

19:14 Oh, I think it was Seth Rogen.

19:15 Yeah, it wasn't Jonah Hill.

19:17 It was Seth Rogen.

19:18 I'm sorry.

19:19 Seth Rogen and his friend wrote that.

19:21 Yeah.

19:22 In high school.

19:23 One of our greatest accomplishments in high school, it was a ninth grade and we had introductory

19:28 Spanish at Barcelona Academy and our teacher, Senior Roma, asked us, like, what popular

19:35 film we should watch in Spanish just so you like if it's in Spanish, you can like if you

19:39 already know the lines, you can see how it's said in Spanish and like, you know, kind of

19:43 glean like what they're saying and kind of pick up on it that way.

19:46 It's actually a very helpful way to learn a different language.

19:50 And we all vote and said, you should get super bad.

19:51 He's like, is it inappropriate?

19:52 We're like, no.

19:54 And we got like about 10 minutes into the movie before we had we had a pivot.

19:59 And they said they listed the I'm not going to say it, but they listed the website that

20:04 Seth and Michael and they signed up to to go to college.

20:08 And then he was like, all right, this is off.

20:10 Yeah, it didn't take it didn't take very long.

20:12 He really wasn't paying attention.

20:13 It's only after they showed Jonah Hill his affinity for drawing something that he was

20:18 like, well, the dick drawing.

20:22 Yeah, I guess I've actually went back and read like oral histories of super bad and

20:30 how it came to be and like how they did those dick drawings.

20:34 Like I think they had one of the brothers.

20:36 I could be wrong.

20:37 One of the brothers, one of the actors, like is a good drawer.

20:40 So they didn't draw those.

20:41 And they have the dick and like Tiananmen Square or something.

20:45 It is a collaborative.

20:47 It was a collaborative effort in terms of getting getting it all together.

20:50 It was the case with every film project.

20:52 You need a full collaborative process.

20:54 Yes, you do.

20:55 But that movie is super bad.

20:57 Was outstanding.

20:58 Wow.

20:59 We got way off topic.

21:00 It's the offseason.

21:03 We can do that.

21:04 Reiterate.

21:05 We can do that.

21:06 Yeah, it's interesting when it comes to teams that Omar could go to.

21:10 Obviously, he has the modified no trade, which is not helpful because you wonder, like, does

21:16 he just have the teams that have goalies as like teams he would be traded to like the

21:21 Rangers, the Islanders, the Panthers, teams he would go to and sort of these other teams

21:28 that don't have goalies.

21:29 But you mentioned an interesting point.

21:31 Teams like Carolina, New Jersey.

21:34 These are contending teams where they are just a goalie away.

21:38 I mean, Carolina is right on the doorstep of going on a run to the Cup.

21:44 New Jersey had a down year this year, but is a young, promising team with now a new

21:49 head coach in Sheldon Keefe, where like that seems like a pretty good situation to go into

21:55 if you're a goalie.

21:56 It's also not far from it's still close to the northeast, you know, and so I wonder about

22:03 those two teams in terms of on paper.

22:05 I mean, we mentioned L.A. before.

22:08 That would make sense, especially for L.A. Edmonton like Edmonton really would.

22:14 If they did have Lena Solmark, they'd be cooking with gas.

22:17 The problem is I just don't I can't imagine that's on his list of teams and want to go

22:21 to and then you have Colorado, which like again, I think for him and I do wonder if

22:29 he looks at it as, hey, I want to go somewhere where I can have a really good one season

22:34 so that I can sign a deal somewhere I want to be.

22:37 And you know, if he goes to a place like Colorado, tears it up for a year and then signs a long

22:41 term deal with like Carolina, or maybe he looks at it and says, hey, I want to go to

22:44 Carolina for a year, tear it up and then sign a long term contract there or New Jersey or

22:48 something like that.

22:49 So maybe at some point, like he just says, you know what, I want to go to the best possible

22:54 team so I can have a really good year and just I'll suck it up for this year and then

22:59 focus on the long term deal after that.

23:00 Maybe that's what he ends up, you know, getting to the point of.

23:04 Yeah, I mean, I think that is the thing, too, is you have to be cognizant of is not just

23:09 where he wants to go this year, but he's a as you said, he's a pending free agent.

23:13 Like he doesn't want to go somewhere where, you know, you saw what he was in Buffalo,

23:17 right?

23:18 He was a he was a good goalie in Buffalo, but the team around him was terrible.

23:21 So like that's why his number still didn't really pop off the page.

23:24 Like when they signed him, he probably looked at his numbers like, all right, I'm going

23:28 to spend five million on this guy.

23:30 OK, is he like your stopgap kind of goalie or what is he?

23:33 And you like that you dove into his like, you know, high danger, say percentage and

23:36 all those things early on.

23:38 You could see why I think the Bruins saw the value there.

23:40 But if you're trying to max out your contract and you have a best in a trophy win, you know,

23:46 on your resume.

23:47 But this past year you went to Ottawa and you got a nine, 12 say percentage, maybe a

23:51 high danger, say percentage looks pretty good.

23:53 But like, is that going to be what people are going to look at when they hand you your

23:57 contract?

23:58 No, they're going to go.

23:59 This guy is what, 30 going on 31, maybe going on 32 regressed over this past year.

24:04 Maybe he's not in the Bruins system.

24:05 Maybe, you know, like if you're Omar and you're trying to make do on the contract that you

24:10 deserve after what you've done here in Boston.

24:12 Yeah, I think for him it's all about going to one team that needs a goalie.

24:17 He's not going to be a guy that's probably playing 35 games or even fewer than that.

24:24 He's not going to be a guy that's not going to be the guy getting the nod in game one

24:28 of whatever team he's in if they're in the playoffs.

24:30 So for him, it's yeah, it's about being part of a contending team next year and proving

24:34 his value, but also putting himself in a position to get paid.

24:37 And again, that's why I don't think, I think not going out West has more to do, I think,

24:42 with where he wants to go and his family, not uprooting them, which is absolutely his

24:46 right.

24:47 But then also if it's a team in the East, as much as it's appealing to look at that

24:50 rumored auto offer, which I still don't believe will be the case.

24:54 I just don't see him going to some of these teams where the returns in terms of his own

24:57 play isn't going to be reflected when you got the structure in front of him, which is

25:02 going to be lacking in a lot of these different teams.

25:04 Yeah, I can't imagine he would accept a trade to a bad team.

25:09 I don't even team like Ottawa.

25:10 I just can't imagine it.

25:13 And it is his right.

25:14 I mean, that's, you know, you sign that deal, you get those no trade clauses, no movement

25:18 clauses, you earned it, you know, like that's your right.

25:22 You get to do that.

25:24 But I do wonder at some point if, you know, he sits down with his agents and says, look,

25:29 you know, here in Boston, I'm going to play, you know, less than half the games going to

25:34 play swimming a little bit more.

25:37 And you know, yeah, I can put up great numbers, but is it better to go somewhere, be the guy

25:43 playing the playoffs and maximize my value?

25:48 I just I wonder if he I would assume he'll hit that point.

25:51 Yeah.

25:52 And I would I would think he would want to do that.

25:55 I want to get into some other areas, defense Chandler Stevenson.

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27:52 Now let's get back to the show.

27:54 So an interesting thing.

27:55 I missed this tweet, uh, Wednesday night, uh, and I saw it Thursday morning and I figured,

28:01 you know what, let's respond on the podcast.

28:02 Uh, so Van Allen on Twitter, a loyal listener, loyal fan of our stuff.

28:07 So love you, Van, uh, tweeted listening to Connor and Evan on Bruinsbeat.

28:12 Connor poses the question, would you rather have Sam Reinhart or Elias Lindholm and Brendan

28:16 Dillon?

28:17 Reinhart, isn't that an incredibly easy question?

28:20 The Bruins already have plenty of decent role players.

28:22 What they don't have is high end talent.

28:23 They can't afford to blow all this cap space on a bunch of mediocrity.

28:26 Again, they need impact players.

28:28 I don't think he's, I don't think he's wrong.

28:29 I don't think he's way off.

28:31 To me, I just look at like Lindholm or someone like Chandler Stevenson, right?

28:36 Where like that fills a need.

28:37 You need like you do need high end players, but you really need higher end centers.

28:42 And I think Elias Lindholm can be a high end center.

28:45 I think Chandler Stevenson, maybe not to the level of Elias Lindholm, but I think he's

28:49 a good backup plan as a higher end center.

28:53 And then I think on defense, a guy like Brendan Dillon, you know, I think for a long time,

28:58 I think they need a veteran left shot guy, a true vet who's been through playoff runs

29:03 and can play first pairing, but can also play third parent kind of what you were hoping

29:08 on a Derek forbert.

29:09 I think Dylan is a reliable piece to do that.

29:13 Would Reinhart be nice?

29:14 Of course, of course, Reinhart would be awesome.

29:17 Kidding me?

29:18 Like you see him in the friggin bumper on the power play in overtime.

29:22 Then I mean, that would be Steph's kiss.

29:25 But I think they're just you have bigger needs right now than just going out and getting

29:28 the best, the highest end player.

29:31 Yeah, no, I agree.

29:33 And again, like with the Bruins, I'd have Reinhart, of course.

29:35 So would 31 other team.

29:37 That's why he's probably gonna make 10 million a year.

29:40 Athletic projected contract to be like almost 11 million annually.

29:43 That's crazy, right?

29:45 So like, again, I think it all comes down to areas of need.

29:48 And I think, again, the priority is getting a centerman.

29:51 And also, like you look at Reinhart and how good he is.

29:53 I also think to maximize Reinhart's play, I was reading some like kind of deep dive

29:59 of how impactful he can be when he's not what the guy's really generating the chances.

30:04 He's a great finisher.

30:06 But if you sign him and your center minister, Coyle and Zaka.

30:10 OK, and again, like maybe he's not a 57 goal guy.

30:15 No shit, right?

30:16 But like if you're signing for 10 million, you don't want it to be what he's been the

30:19 last couple of years, which is 30 goal, 75, 80 points.

30:23 That's a good player.

30:24 Yeah, we're out a million.

30:26 Right.

30:27 Like that.

30:28 I think that is the one issue is that you don't have the center, the centerman.

30:31 The rest of the lineup is still either disjointed, top heavy, however you want to put it.

30:37 Like even if a guy like Elias Lindholm or Chandler Stevenson aren't the guy, they aren't

30:42 a dry side or what have you, obviously.

30:45 But having another one of those players just makes all the pieces fall into place.

30:49 Right.

30:50 If you have a guy like Lindholm or Stevenson, who, again, maybe isn't as flashy of a player,

30:55 but has a really high motor, has had, you know, what, three straight 50 plus point seasons.

31:01 You know, maybe he's still in the same mold as a Coyle and a Zaka.

31:05 But either one of those players, you get them, they're still going to be productive players

31:09 at an area of need that helps your scoring punch.

31:12 You're pushing guys further down the lineups, whether that's Zaka over to the wing or if

31:16 it's Charlie Coyle on the third line, you're putting other, again, good players in areas

31:23 where they're probably better suited to capitalize on their skill sets.

31:26 Like as much people look at the postseason and you need more from Zaka and Coyle.

31:30 Yeah, that's obvious.

31:31 But they're still good, useful assets for this team.

31:34 It's just putting them in better spots to succeed moving forward, I think, is the app

31:37 thing with this team.

31:39 You even look at like last year or two years ago when you had Eric Holla and you had to

31:44 move things around.

31:46 You bring in a guy like, you know, you bring David Creechie back, pieces fall back into

31:49 place when you have this another Sunderman that can put guys in better spots.

31:53 So I still think Sunderman has to be the priority.

31:55 But I agree with you that if the money is right, right, like I think that's the biggest

32:00 thing is with these veteran kind of left shot D.

32:03 But you kind of look at what the formula is for teams in the playoffs and, you know, Cam

32:09 Neely making speed up front.

32:10 It's also a lot of size on the blue line.

32:12 I think if you're able to get a guy like Dylan, who, you know, maybe isn't what he was when

32:18 he was 28, 29, but I believe he's 33, but 6'4", long reach, his underlying numbers still

32:24 paint the picture of a guy that's really strong defensively.

32:28 Why you want this guy?

32:29 He's not like, you know, Joel Edmondson, who's big guy, but the numbers don't look great.

32:33 It doesn't move very well.

32:36 If you're able to get a guy like Dylan for, you know, short term contract for two, three

32:40 million or something like that per year, I think it does stand to be, you know, an area

32:46 that you shouldn't prove in.

32:47 So if you all of a sudden you go into next year and let's say you don't get Chickren

32:51 or anything like that, but next year your six starting defensemen are McAvoy and Lindholm

32:57 and Carlo, Laurie, Peek and Dylan.

33:01 Like McAvoy is your smallest guy there and he's 6'1", but still hits like a freight

33:06 train.

33:07 Everyone else is over 6'3", I believe.

33:09 So that's kind of what you want out of your decor.

33:12 So I understand people are worried about like falling into the same thing with a guy like

33:16 Forbert who had an up and down kind of trajectory, but I think having a guy that has that bruising

33:22 capabilities can block shots, play those tough minutes, is someone you should look at investing

33:26 in for the right price.

33:28 Don't sign Nikita Zadorov to six and six.

33:31 No, I saw that.

33:32 Oh my God.

33:33 What are you people thinking?

33:35 Some of these things, yeah, can get out of whack, but like guys like a Dylan who's, you

33:39 know, maybe an older player, but still has good underlying numbers, fits a need, fits

33:44 an identity, which I think is what the Bruins are talking about quite a bit this off season

33:48 of who they want to prioritize.

33:50 I think a guy like that would fit, but for the right price, of course, for the right

33:54 price.

33:55 That's the biggest thing.

33:56 I mean, I go back to like, I know that people are weary of mediocrity, of getting mediocrity

34:01 in free agency.

34:02 I get that.

34:03 Lindholm is not mediocrity.

34:06 Chandler Stevenson is not mediocrity.

34:07 I don't think those guys are mediocre.

34:10 Those are borderline high end.

34:13 I think Lindholm is high end and I think Chandler Stevenson is a very good player.

34:17 It's a very solid player right there.

34:19 So I, I have no issue with that.

34:22 I don't.

34:23 I think if you were to make me pick between Reinhart or Lindholm and Dylan or Stevenson

34:29 and Dylan, I go with the second option.

34:33 I do.

34:34 I want to add center depth and then fix a need on D because going into next year, I

34:39 mean, Grizzlix gone, Forbert's gone.

34:41 I think you do need, I think you need a left shot guy, especially a veteran one, especially

34:49 veteran.

34:50 And I want Walterswood as a seventh defenseman.

34:51 There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't want, I think if you can do it now again,

34:55 if you invest a ton up front and you go out and you get somehow get Stamkos and Lindholm

35:00 and say, all right, well, we'll take Walterswood for the 6D, you know?

35:04 But I think if, you know, if you just do Lindholm and another wing like Tifoli, okay, Dylan,

35:10 I'm for that, you know?

35:11 So yeah, Reinhart would be really nice.

35:14 And you hit it, you nailed, I think you hit the nail on the head with like, you know,

35:17 if you put Reinhart with Coyle and he gets 30 something goals.

35:20 It's like, well, that's good, but not for 10.5.

35:24 I'd rather, I would legitimately rather sign Bertuzzi and another wing and recreate that

35:31 production in the aggregate than 10 million for Reinhart.

35:34 Like, you know, or the one guy, you know, like I'd rather you could sign two players

35:40 for that 10 million and recreate what, and again, like, that's not to say Reinhart would

35:45 love if they signed Reinhart and he proved me wrong and scores 44 goals next year and

35:49 generates a lot by himself.

35:51 But I think you look at just how many goals he scores off of rebound shots, tips, deflections,

35:57 bumper on the power play.

35:59 You need talent around him to make the most out of, to get the most out of player.

36:03 Again, that's kind of a no shit statement.

36:04 You need a lot of talent to get a lot out of high end scores.

36:08 But I think especially Reinhart, if you're investing 10 million in the guy, you need

36:11 to put the right pieces around him to really make that investment, I think worth it.

36:16 >> Reinhart's money feel, and again, I don't know what he's gonna end up becoming.

36:19 I haven't watched enough of him to be like, this is definitely what he's gonna be.

36:23 But feels like a guy that a team is gonna overpay for, you know, a middling team like

36:30 a Detroit or someone like that.

36:33 >> Chicago.

36:34 >> And Chicago is an interesting one, like, and the production falls a little bit, you

36:38 know, because again, he's surrounded by, you know, Barkov and some amazing players.

36:44 Like Chuck down in Florida, like Verhegy, you got guys like Montour passing you the

36:50 puck.

36:51 So like, I just I wonder if that's sustainable going forward.

36:56 And I think he's probably gone from Florida.

36:58 I don't know how Florida retains.

36:59 >> I wanna say it's pony up all that money, but they're gonna have some issues.

37:03 I mean, you're gonna be losing at least one of him or Montour and then you've got more

37:06 guys up next year as well.

37:08 So they're kind of in this little window themselves in terms of making the most out of a lot of

37:12 these contracts.

37:13 >> They are.

37:14 By the way, listeners, we love you.

37:17 And if you ever have questions, debate things, things that you disagree with us on like Van

37:23 Allen did, tweet at us, send it to us.

37:27 We'll talk about it.

37:28 We weren't disrespectful.

37:29 We were very kind.

37:30 >> Yeah.

37:31 >> We're not gonna- >> Just don't be mean.

37:33 Don't make fun of us.

37:34 >> Don't make fun of us.

37:35 >> Don't say my accent's fake.

37:36 >> That accent's fake.

37:37 That accent's fake.

37:38 I love the YouTube comments.

37:39 When we first started doing the people would be like, that accent's so fake.

37:42 I'm like, yeah, real fake.

37:44 You nailed it.

37:45 >> Yes.

37:46 >> You nailed it.

37:47 >> I'm working on my TikTok influencer account as we speak, Evan.

37:52 >> Those are some fake Boston accents.

37:54 That's what we love to see.

37:55 You need to become a Boston influencer.

37:58 You need to be.

37:59 >> Absolutely not.

38:00 >> Well, did you see the woman who did the fake Boston calling list?

38:06 Had Karen Reed as one of the- >> I did see that.

38:09 Like the set list thing that they always do for the-

38:11 >> Yes, I wanted somewhere in there to be like Conor Ryan's accent or something.

38:15 >> Yes.

38:16 >> I needed to see it, but it's unfortunate that you weren't in there.

38:20 I would have put you in.

38:21 >> It's all right.

38:22 I don't wanna be put in a thing with getting hit on Starrow Drive and Karen Reed and all

38:26 these other things.

38:27 I'm fine.

38:28 I'm fine not being part of that list, so.

38:30 >> You got some characters on that list.

38:33 Anyways, Conor, what can the people look forward to from you over at the Globe and Boston.com?

38:38 >> Yeah, we'll have you covered every step of the way this off season, whether it's free

38:42 agency, trades, Dev Camp, the draft, all those things that are coming up, hopefully soon.

38:49 So we don't talk about Young Sheldon and anything like that.

38:51 So hopefully dive into some more actual- >> We can talk about that every episode.

38:55 >> Yes, exactly.

38:56 So hopefully we have like some more tangible stuff to talk about very soon and whatever

39:01 actual stuff there's talk about, we'll all have it over at Boston.com and the Globe.

39:05 If you wanna follow me on Twitter, you can @ConorRyan_93.

39:09 >> Go do all that.

39:11 That's Conor Ryan, I'm Evan Marinovsky, you're presented by Prize Picks and Game Time.

39:15 You poke the bear listeners, have a great rest of your week.

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