00:00But still, knowing what you know now, in your witness statement you don't apologise for
00:04anything that you did wrong, do you?
00:07I think that's one of the five main things you say in your witness statement, I'm going
00:11to summarise your witness statement, if I may.
00:15Firstly, I think you make no concessions or admissions that you did anything wrong, correct?
00:22I didn't knowingly do anything wrong, and I would never knowingly do anything wrong.
00:29You don't apologise for your role in any of the events being examined by the inquiry,
00:33do you?
00:34I think, and I've reflected on this quite a bit, and the disclosure that I've seen through
00:40this process, there are things that, documents that I've seen that I don't remember some
00:47of them from the time, but clearly, knowing what I know now, I would give further weight
00:54to some of those documents than I did at the time, so they would have more significance.
00:59So things like, things that I might have missed at the time, then I really regret that
01:05and I wish I'd been able to see that back then.
01:11But still, knowing what you know now, in your witness statement you don't apologise for
01:16anything that you did wrong, do you?
01:19I apologise for not getting to the answer more quickly, but with the evidence I had
01:26and the parameters of my role at the time, I did the best I could and to the best of
01:31my ability.
01:33What you say is you blame Fujitsu for not being transparent with you in the post office?
01:38Yes.
01:39That's the third thing you say, you lay the blame at Fujitsu's door.
01:42Well, from my perspective, because, you know, we'd set up the mediation scheme, we had
01:52reached out to Fujitsu in terms of being able to get the information from them for
01:56us to be able to do the investigations.
01:59They put a project manager in place that we funded to be able to get us access to the
02:05information that we needed.
02:09They knew what we were doing, yet we didn't get sight of any Kells.
02:13Now, I didn't know Kells existed and nobody that we were working with in the business
02:19knew that at the time.
02:21What I've subsequently seen through the disclosure and what some of this did come
02:25out as we were going through the GLO process is that there were people within the organisation.
02:31Within the post office?
02:32Within the post office that were aware of, I presume, known Enerologues, but I'm just
02:39talking about the service management kind of department where they would be dealing
02:44with Fujitsu at that level on a daily basis and working that through.
02:48Now, that wasn't available and I certainly wasn't aware of that when we were going through
02:53the scheme.
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