00:00 I think it's like the old saying, "Measure twice, cut once."
00:03 Like the old saying?
00:04 Yeah, like the construction.
00:06 You know, contraction, measure twice, cut once.
00:09 I like it.
00:10 Do you know this saying?
00:11 No.
00:12 You don't know it?
00:13 No, but it makes sense.
00:14 It's an old thing, like measure twice, cut once.
00:15 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16 Classic.
00:16 Something about the way the song feels when you put it on, you can sort of just get lost
00:28 in it, and the lyrics that Dylan wrote, I feel like they're more raw than some of our
00:34 stuff in the past.
00:35 I think you're just letting your emotions be heard.
00:38 I've seen different theories of what it could be about, and I'm like, "Oh, it's interesting."
00:41 For me, it's so specific, and I know exactly what it is, but it's not as clear to the fans
00:45 as I thought it would be, which is cool.
00:46 Like, I like that people can apply their own meaning to it.
00:48 I think it just gives a lot for our fans to sink their teeth into.
00:50 "We don't need a repeat of the night when you called me over to your apartment.
00:59 Should we get close?
01:00 Should we put the lights down?
01:03 It was never right, I think you know now."
01:05 The first verse is definitely reflective of a night of getting called over to an ex-person's
01:11 place.
01:12 I'm sure we both know that that never would have been a good idea.
01:14 I'm sure we both feel this way now.
01:15 It's been long enough.
01:16 "There's a lot of things that I could tell you, but some things are left better if you
01:22 never knew.
01:23 So I shut myself up with a nightcap.
01:27 I'm not tempted, I just don't like that old wound.
01:32 Seem to open up with you.
01:36 What am I supposed to do?
01:39 I don't need to walk you through it."
01:43 I'm personally someone who could give into temptation more often than not.
01:48 I just feel it's part of my personality, a little spontaneous.
01:50 So to me, if this situation ever arose, I'm not sure.
01:54 I feel like Dylan has a very thoughtful mindset of where the boundary should be with an ex-person
02:00 or something, where I feel very like, "Oh yeah, it's fine.
02:04 Let's meet up," or whatever.
02:06 And I understand that that can definitely put up weird, just unnecessary old wounds.
02:13 Speaking of.
02:15 Who said that I don't understand the pain of this or the emotions of going through this
02:35 process?
02:36 Of course I don't remember this.
02:37 Just because I'm not opening up in the way that you'd necessarily want me to, doesn't
02:42 mean that I'm not feeling the same things.
02:44 I just don't need to give that to you because there has to be healthy boundaries in how
02:47 we talk about this and how we communicate with each other, if at all.
02:51 When I think about writing chorus parts, I always think about the Kacey Musgraves song,
03:11 "High Horse," because that song, the verse is not only just so catchy as its own thing,
03:16 but then every part that follows that seems to almost one up the part before it.
03:21 This song, the "Who said I don't," kind of could be the statement moment and then back
03:26 to the verse, but then we follow it up with what we're calling the chorus chorus.
03:32 This song, I don't think there really was an obvious chorus.
03:34 The song was kind of recorded and I told the guys, "I consider this part to be the chorus."
03:39 I didn't know if we pictured it as the whole thing was the chorus or the-
03:41 I still don't even know what the chorus is.
03:43 I'm always one that's going to reread and really think before sending anything.
04:07 I'll write it in my notes first.
04:09 I don't want the speech bubble there.
04:10 I'm sitting there and I'm really overthinking this.
04:13 I think it's like the old saying, "Measure twice, cut once."
04:17 That's an old saying?
04:18 Yeah, like the construction.
04:19 You know, construction, measure twice, cut once.
04:22 I like it.
04:23 Do you know this saying?
04:24 No.
04:25 You don't know it?
04:26 No, but it makes sense.
04:27 It's an old thing, like measure twice, cut once.
04:28 Do you know it?
04:29 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:30 Classic.
04:31 I feel like you can apply that to the digital age and technology where it's like, just reread
04:35 it, take a second, and if you want to send it, then send it.
04:38 You're crying to me on the phone again.
04:41 I think this conversation needs to end.
04:44 Remember you're not the only one in this.
04:48 I want to speak, but you won't even talk to me.
04:54 Not until you'd like to see all the things we could be and incentivize things that you
05:05 internalize.
05:08 I'd rather tell you a lie before predicting what I don't know could lead into false hope.
05:16 Lying can be very useful.
05:17 I mean, yeah, because you don't want to do anything to hurt people in a situation like
05:24 what the song is talking about.
05:25 I feel like maybe it's not so much about literally lying, but I think just exercising a certain
05:31 level of restraint.
05:32 I like that point, yeah.
05:33 It's not necessarily lying, it's just putting a restraint on the truth a little bit so there's
05:37 no unnecessary hurt feelings for like ... I know what you mean.
05:41 It's actually ... It's good.
05:44 But I promise I get your sentiment.
05:48 I wonder who's been at your apartment.
05:52 Would you give in or would you relent?
05:56 Who's been trying to get their signal sent?
05:59 I promise I get your sentiment.
06:03 I wonder who's been at your apartment.
06:06 I promise I get your sentiment.
06:10 I wonder who's been at your apartment.
06:13 Yeah, and this whole chorus is ... It's really the only real confessional moment of the song.
06:19 It's like, if you really want to know, of course I get your fears of what I might be,
06:26 of who I might be with, or what might be going on.
06:28 I wonder who's been over at your place too.
06:30 I wonder who's been trying to get at you as well.
06:33 Of course I'm curious about this.
06:35 So, yeah, it's like the moment where it kind of drives it home.
06:38 It's like, "I'll give you this."
06:39 And I never even said this.
06:41 I thought it'd be cool if the song was actually called "Your Department."
06:44 And it was about Lowe's, working in the garden section, working at the cash register, and
06:50 I wonder who's been at your department.
06:51 I thought that would've been really cool, but it's fine.
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