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00:10 What's going on everyone?
00:24 Taylor Kyle's here for CNS Media coming at you with another episode of
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00:35 It's been about a week in a freezing, we still have another day, but
00:38 the first wave is hit.
00:40 We kind of know all the big signings by now.
00:42 I think some people are disappointed by the way things have gone so far.
00:46 So I had to get some perspective, don't wanna live in an echo chamber,
00:49 we all know that.
00:50 So I had to bring in my good buddy, Evan Lazar, to chop it up,
00:53 figure out what's been going on over the past couple days.
00:56 Evan, how you doing buddy and how you feeling?
00:59 It's been active on the timeline for the past few days.
01:03 >> That it has, I think a lot of people's emotions right now are pretty testy,
01:09 which I can understand.
01:11 And I get that some fans are frustrated with what the Patriots have done so far.
01:16 I guess a better way of putting it is what the Patriots haven't done so far.
01:19 I don't think I hear a lot of, I hate to group everybody together, but
01:23 I don't feel like I hear a lot of people mad about the moves they've actually made
01:27 or the signings that they've actually made.
01:29 It's just that their free agency right now lacks that signature addition.
01:35 That Calvin Ridley would have been, Jonah Williams maybe,
01:40 one of those players.
01:42 It hasn't gotten to that point yet where we can say,
01:45 this was the crown jewel of the Patriots free agent hall.
01:49 And that I can understand.
01:50 The only thing that I have really pushed back on Taylor and
01:53 we can talk about it is the fact that a lot of people I hear are saying that
01:58 the Patriots are not spending.
02:00 The Patriots right now have spent the third most cash in free agency,
02:05 behind only the Falcons who paid Kirk Cousins and
02:08 the Texans who have gone crazy and added a lot of people in free agency.
02:12 So it's not that they're not spending,
02:15 they just don't have that signature external addition.
02:18 And maybe the way they are spending isn't exactly the way you would have spent
02:22 the money.
02:22 I think that's just where the disconnect is for some people right now.
02:27 >> Exactly, because I think the Gerard Mayo, we got to burn some cash comment.
02:31 Like you said, he wasn't wrong.
02:32 They have been burning cash.
02:33 It's just when people hear that, they think,
02:36 it means there's gonna be a splash signing.
02:37 Which I feel like people might be conflating, or
02:40 kind of mixing up some of his quotes.
02:42 Because there was the draft quote where he talks about we're gonna get the premium
02:44 position and all that.
02:46 And that's where he specifically talked about what they were gonna do in terms of
02:48 who they were gonna add.
02:49 But free agency, you just said they were gonna spend money,
02:52 which they've done.
02:53 So I'm curious, we've seen the money go towards mostly in-house guys.
02:57 And really, we should have seen that coming.
02:59 That's what Elliott Wolf said he wanted to do.
03:01 That's what I was looking forward to the most.
03:03 I didn't even think they were gonna retain as many guys as they did.
03:06 They brought back all the really key pieces of that 2020 draft class,
03:10 or at least retained.
03:11 Mike Nguyen, Anthony Jennings, Josh Uche on a team-friendly deal re-sign.
03:15 Then obviously transition tag on Kyle Duggar.
03:18 Still probably have to hammer out a long-term deal,
03:20 but with the way the safety market's going,
03:22 it seems like that's more likely than not gonna happen.
03:24 They also keep not homegrown talents, Kendrick Bourne and Hunter Henry, but
03:28 valuable pieces on the offensive side of the ball who were leaders.
03:31 And were guys where, yes,
03:32 the offense has had its trouble over the past few years.
03:34 They have not been the issue.
03:36 So from your perspective, how have they done so far?
03:39 Were they doing what you expected them to do?
03:41 And was there anything that surprised you?
03:43 How you feeling?
03:44 >> Yeah, I think that they've done mostly what I expected them to do.
03:48 Because really, and I did a whole history lesson.
03:51 I know Greg Bedard and Felger kind of started this with the Packer history,
03:56 going back to Ron Wolfe in the 90s and all that kind of stuff.
03:59 And when you really look at the Packer way,
04:02 I really don't like that term either, but let's roll with it.
04:05 The Packer way, you really look at a team that
04:09 has never been a big spender in free agency.
04:12 And you read about how people in Green Bay basically ignored free agency as
04:17 a way to add to the roster because their GMs never actually used free agency in
04:22 an aggressive manner.
04:24 So this is not too surprising, I think, from that element that it's more about
04:28 sustainability, it's more about keeping your own guys.
04:31 It's more about draft, develop, build from within.
04:35 But with that being said, and I wrote this today in our mailbag,
04:39 that's gonna take a lot of patience from the fan base.
04:42 It's gonna take a lot of patience from fans, and
04:44 it's gonna take a lot of patience from ownership.
04:46 And Boston is not a patient city, Boston is a city where you want to live.
04:51 And we're now, I mean, the Red Sox are certainly feeling that, and
04:54 now the Patriots are feeling that a little bit.
04:56 So I think that's something that you mentioned,
05:00 controlling the narrative in the media, I think, is one main critique I have.
05:06 What they've done so far since Gerard Mayo took over as the head coach.
05:10 It wasn't smart for him to say the burn the cash comment.
05:13 It wasn't smart necessarily for Elliot Wolfe to come out and say,
05:17 we're gonna weaponize the offense, we're gonna be aggressive in free agency.
05:21 Because you can try to do all those things and fail.
05:24 They tried to sign Calvin Ridley, they just failed.
05:27 So if they had added Calvin Ridley to this free agent hall,
05:31 I think we're all feeling a lot differently today.
05:33 Not only about the fact that they have Calvin Ridley, which would have been
05:37 great, but also off the fact of how much money they're spending in this offseason,
05:42 in this free agent period.
05:43 So I think in a lot of ways they set themselves up for this for
05:47 some people by doing things that you had mentioned about the public comments.
05:51 But overall, I don't mind the approach.
05:55 It's just gonna be a little bit more methodical and
05:57 people are gonna have to be a little bit more patient,
05:59 which I know people don't wanna hear.
06:01 >> We will get to Calvin Ridley, we have to.
06:03 But first, I do wanna touch on the guys that they actually brought in to the team.
06:07 So really the biggest thing has been kind of bolstering up the trenches, I feel.
06:12 They added Armond Watts,
06:13 which I feel like is gonna turn into a very sneaky signing.
06:16 I put on the tape.
06:17 >> Yeah. >> And obviously they were looking for
06:18 a Lawrence Guy replacement.
06:19 They were looking at Sheldon Rankins,
06:21 which I was excited about from a pass rush perspective.
06:23 But then you look at his run game tape and it's kinda like, he's a little streaky.
06:27 He's got his moments, but he's not really there.
06:29 Armond Watts, way more well-rounded.
06:31 Then you got Nick LeVette, somebody who's got a lot of positional versatility.
06:35 He's got starting experience, started in front of Tom Brady for the Buccaneers.
06:39 And then obviously more depth signings,
06:41 things where you're kinda just trying to plug holes like Jacoby Brissett.
06:44 That one we saw coming from a mile away, obviously.
06:47 Austin Hooper, which really felt like that was the one move I feel like fans
06:51 kinda pushed back on.
06:52 But then you see the reports of the Patriots are playing hardball with some of
06:55 their lower profile free agents.
06:57 And then I look on, actually Brian Hines sent me a picture of Farrell Brown,
07:02 who posted basically saying he felt like he was disrespected.
07:05 So you kinda go, white ball moment.
07:07 He probably is one of those people whose agent and
07:09 himself weren't very happy with what they got.
07:11 So how do you feel so far about some of the pieces they've added?
07:15 Obviously, like you said, no splash signings.
07:17 But I feel like they were really smart kind of, not bargain bin, but
07:21 really affordable signings that could actually make an impact this season in
07:24 positions that need needed.
07:25 >> Yeah, just start at the very beginning with Chuck Sikorafor,
07:29 who I think is somebody that is a bridge tackle potentially as a starter.
07:34 And then also definitely a pretty good swing tackle or third tackle.
07:39 And I look at him, I remember him coming out and
07:43 he was somebody that was really raw but toolsy, physical guy, good hands,
07:48 good pass protector.
07:49 But just had some rawness to his body control and
07:52 his ability to sync up in the run game and stuff like that.
07:56 I don't know how much he's developed in that regard necessarily, but
08:00 I do think that he's a high enough level pass protector.
08:03 And especially in a play action passing scheme,
08:06 that they'll be able to start him for the time being at one of the tackle spots.
08:11 I prefer right, I know we've talked about this a little bit off the air,
08:14 about him maybe playing left.
08:15 Regardless though, I thought that that was a player that, okay,
08:19 now you draft somebody at 34, Chuck Sikorafor starts the first seven or
08:24 eight games.
08:25 And when you feel like the rookie is ready, you pass the baton to the rookie,
08:29 which is exactly what happened to Sikorafor in Pittsburgh.
08:31 So I feel like that's a similar situation there.
08:35 You mentioned Armond Watts,
08:36 who I'm becoming more familiar with now that they obviously made the signing.
08:40 And what I'm encouraged by with him is, I agree with you that he's
08:44 stat enough against the run to be a little bit well-rounded.
08:47 But he's also a very effective pass rusher and
08:50 somebody that put up some good pass rushing numbers.
08:53 And as much as we all love Lawrence Guy, and I'm not trying to crap on Lawrence Guy.
08:58 Guy had six quarterback pressures in 300 pass rushing snaps or whatever it was.
09:04 I think his pass rush win weight was 1.5%.
09:07 So as much as stopping the run, controlling the line of scrimmage,
09:12 all those things are really important.
09:14 And with the Watts signing, I think it tells me that DeMarcus Covington and
09:17 Gerard Mayo are looking for
09:19 more splash plays outside of Christian Barmore on the defensive line.
09:23 And I think he's somebody that can get some interior penetration and
09:26 pressure the quarterback.
09:27 I think it was 17 pressures on 155 pass rush snaps,
09:31 which is a really good rate at getting out.
09:33 >> He's one of the most efficient defensive linemen in Pittsburgh.
09:35 His numbers don't look great when you look at them raw, but
09:38 it's like, he was like their fourth string, but
09:39 he was producing at a really high level.
09:42 >> Yeah, yeah, he was, and I looked at pass rush win rate as PFF clocks that.
09:48 And if Arman Watts had been on the Patriots last year,
09:51 the only guy with a higher pass rush win rate was Christian Barmore.
09:55 So he's really somebody that I think with more playing time could emerge as an even
10:01 better player.
10:02 So I look at him and I don't necessarily see a one for one Lawrence Guy comparison,
10:08 because I think Guy was stouter against the run, obviously more seasoned.
10:12 And that sort of thing.
10:13 But I look at a guy like Guy and Daniel Equalle and those types of players that
10:17 do play a little bit more on the inside of line.
10:21 And I think Watts definitely combines two of those skill sets a little bit into one
10:25 player, which is can be really useful.
10:27 But I know in Pittsburgh, it was mostly like a three technique, a two eye,
10:31 maybe a zero in certain packages.
10:34 So I don't know if he's gonna play all the way out over the tackle like Guy would
10:38 at times, but in general, I just really am encouraged by his ability to get vertical
10:43 and get in the backfield.
10:45 >> How do you feel about Antonio Gibson?
10:46 I feel like we were both pretty excited by that signing.
10:48 Wasn't the big splash pass catcher that everybody wanted, but
10:51 it was a huge vacancy they've had for a couple years with.
10:54 You know, Ramondre Stevenson, he was the leader in receptions two years ago.
10:58 Like obviously he's a fine pass catching back, but
11:01 he's not the mismatch that they had when they were, you know,
11:04 feeling James White or even Brandon Bolden in his last season with the team.
11:07 So tell me about Gibson from your perspective.
11:10 >> Yeah, I really liked Gibson going all the way back to school.
11:13 And sometimes I feel like I'm biased with guys like that because I had pegged him as
11:18 a Patriots fit back in the draft, so now I feel good about myself, right?
11:21 I'd say, see, I saw something coming here with this guy.
11:25 But I think what you really look at with him is that he played a lot of wide
11:28 receiver in college as well as running back.
11:31 And you can see those receiver skills, not necessarily with the route running,
11:35 which is I think one thing that you see some of that explosiveness with.
11:39 Wheel routes, seams, getting up three vertical, four vertical type concepts.
11:44 And he's able to really get on guys and you can get him in matchups with line
11:48 backers and safeties and he's able to run by those guys.
11:52 But I think most importantly, you see the receiving translate to his ball skills,
11:55 you know, ability to adjust on the football to high point eight,
11:59 to attack the ball in the air.
12:01 Those are things that don't always come naturally to every single running back.
12:04 Yeah, then maybe they can run by a linebacker,
12:07 maybe they can get open at the top of the route.
12:09 But sometimes they struggle with catching and
12:12 catching through traffic or contact.
12:14 I think Antonio Gibson translates really nicely there.
12:17 I just really feel like over the last couple years,
12:19 as much as Zeke helped on early downs, they put so much on Ramondre's plate to be
12:23 able to play on all three downs and play in the pass game.
12:26 That'll be good to have somebody that's a little bit of a mismatch in that regard.
12:30 >> Agreed, especially like a rare athlete where the guy is like almost 240 pounds
12:34 but he ran almost no under four, four, I believe in the combine.
12:38 So another really interesting piece, nice little one, two punch with
12:42 Ramondre Stevenson.
12:43 But now going back to Calvin Ridley, obviously,
12:45 the Titans snuck in under the dead of night.
12:48 It was Jacksonville and the Patriots for like a day and a half, two days.
12:52 And then out of nowhere, the Titans swoop in,
12:54 they end up signing him to a $92 million deal.
12:57 So from your perspective, I was thinking, I want them to spend,
13:01 I don't want them to be shy about it, if you want this guy, go get him.
13:06 But it felt like once it started to approach that 25-ish million dollar range,
13:09 I was like, all right, maybe you gotta kind of hold the line and
13:12 say we're not willing to spend that.
13:14 Obviously, losing Calvin Ridley means the Patriots aren't really gonna have that one
13:18 veteran who they know can be a consistent winner, quick winner for
13:21 whether it's Jacoby Meyer or Jacoby Brissett or a young quarterback.
13:25 Do you think they should have made a harder press and
13:27 maybe tried to match the Titans offer?
13:29 Or do you like the fact that they said, hey, realistically,
13:31 this is a 29-year-old receiver.
13:33 He could have been very productive for us, but
13:35 it's also a stacked wide receiver class.
13:37 We're gonna have to pass on this one.
13:39 >> Yeah, look, it's tough because on the one hand, it's not our money.
13:44 So I don't wanna necessarily worry about Mr. Kraft's money.
13:47 But at the same time, it is a lot of money for a 29-year-old receiver.
13:52 And I think the main thing with Ridley is I don't wanna now change my mind after
13:58 the fact and act like I didn't want him.
14:00 We all wanted him and we all were excited about him coming here potentially.
14:04 And I think the biggest thing is that you look at those three big needs,
14:08 quarterback, tackle, receiver.
14:10 The hope was is that you were gonna hit one of those in free agency,
14:14 not necessarily to solve the problems completely at the position, but
14:18 just to make it less pressing in the draft.
14:20 Now it feels like you can talk yourself into taking Drake May, Joe Alt, or
14:25 Marvin Harrison Jr., because all three of them are such pressing needs that
14:29 either one of them would kinda work for the Patriots.
14:32 And I think that's what the scary part is by losing out on Ridley.
14:36 When you talk to people, I think the main thing that they were hoping was that
14:39 Ridley could be a wide receiver one for the time being.
14:43 Really then flex into more of a wide receiver two role with one of these
14:47 rookies coming in and supplementing, and you're stacking together.
14:51 Instead of just having to rely solely on the draft to solve everything,
14:55 you have something to work with for the young quarterback, for
14:59 a young receiver to step into, and then elevate it even more.
15:03 So they have to go back to the drawing board.
15:04 I still expect them, and I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about other options now
15:08 that Ridley's off the board, but I do still expect them to sign a receiver that,
15:14 let's just say that people know the name, right?
15:16 I don't think that it's gonna be someone that,
15:19 I think it will be someone with some cache that they'll bring in at receiver.
15:25 Who it will be, I guess, remains to be seen, but I don't think that they're just
15:29 gonna say, well, we missed out on Ridley, so see you at the draft.
15:32 I think they'll try to add somebody else.
15:35 >> Yeah, I think they really do understand that the weaponized comment,
15:38 they're serious about it.
15:39 They're very, very clear on the fact that more needs to be added to the offense.
15:43 Kendrick Bourne and Pop Douglas, obviously, they're a solid starting point.
15:47 Good wide receiver, two wide receiver, three guys, but
15:49 you'd still like at least one other piece that has the potential.
15:53 So maybe put up 1,000 yard season and then those guys can be more compliments.
15:56 Well, think of a situation like the 2016 Patriots where Malcolm Mitchell didn't
16:00 have to be the guy which allowed him to thrive even more.
16:03 Because it's like, all right, he's not the guy that we're feeding targets to, but
16:06 he can thrive in more of a reserve role.
16:09 And then, obviously, that didn't work out because of his health situation, but
16:12 it felt like he was trending towards growing into a bigger role.
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17:29 All right, so weaponizing the offense, it's still a priority.
17:33 Calvin Ridley wasn't the end all be all, would have made things a lot easier, but
17:36 there's still some options out there.
17:38 Now I see Hollywood Browns name is flying in the chat.
17:41 I will throw out the fact that I've seen him link to the Chiefs.
17:44 And I will say, I don't know if the Patriots are gonna make an attempt,
17:47 even if they're interested, to throw enough money at him or
17:49 someone's not gonna go to a place where they can get a ring.
17:52 But there's still a lot of trade options,
17:53 the Patriots have been connected to some people that way.
17:56 So your perspective, Evan, how can the Patriots still find a way to get this
18:01 offense tools, be it at left tackle, wide receiver, wherever?
18:06 >> I feel like weaponize the offense is gonna be something that Elliot Wolfe might
18:09 regret saying.
18:11 [LAUGH] It's like kind of like Tom Warner saying full throttle,
18:15 it looks so bad in hindsight when you know that they struck out on Ridley.
18:19 But in general, I just think that the one guy that I've sort of looked at in
18:24 the free agent market, and we can get into some of the trades as well,
18:28 is Mike Williams.
18:29 Simply because I don't know about you, Taylor, and
18:32 I know you've done all your homework on this.
18:34 The day two X receivers, like those true outside perimeter guys that can play
18:40 the X spot, that can face large exposures, depressed man coverage,
18:44 that can win one on one in isolation routes.
18:48 Those guys on day two, first of all, there's not that many of them,
18:52 I wouldn't say.
18:53 And second of all, I don't really particularly love any of them.
18:56 I'm not swooning over Keon Coleman like some people or
19:01 Ted Walker or Brendan Rice in the right part of the draft, okay.
19:06 But he's really more of a complimentary guy, I think, in the league.
19:09 So I look at those guys and I look at Mike Williams and say, well,
19:13 I'd rather probably have Mike Williams to just hold down the X spot for
19:18 one year in 2024.
19:20 And now that opens me up to draft a Roman Wilson, to draft a Xavier Leguette,
19:25 to draft a Ladd McConkie, a Ricky Pearsall.
19:28 Those guys I find just a lot more interesting and
19:31 a lot more exciting as a Patriots fan.
19:34 So I would say that if I had to pick any of these free agents,
19:37 I'd probably prefer Mike Williams just because of the position and
19:40 the body type and the skill set that he brings to the table versus going after
19:45 somebody like a Hollywood Brown or a Tyler Boyd.
19:48 I've heard that floated out there, I believe by Mark Daniels.
19:51 Like those names, I just, I look at that and I say, well,
19:54 I would rather some of these day two guys in the draft that fit that Z slot type of
19:59 position than go after it in free agency with some of these veteran guys.
20:04 >> What about the trade markets?
20:06 Patriots have been tied to Brandon Aiyu, can Tee Higgins.
20:08 Now, the Aiyu thing, we don't know how valid that is because the 49ers don't have
20:12 a ton of incentive to let them go.
20:13 They could still pick up a Smith year option and they can tag.
20:16 I think they did pick up a Smith year option and they can tag them.
20:18 Or they can keep around if they really want to.
20:21 Tee Higgins is an interesting one, obviously.
20:23 The injuries do kind of scare me personally, but he's 25 years old.
20:27 You know he's got the talent to be that X, but
20:29 although he's been mostly using kind of a Z role because they had Jamar Chase.
20:33 What do you think about those guys?
20:34 And what would you be willing to give up for either Aiyu or Higgins?
20:38 >> So I think Aiyu is a pipe dream.
20:40 I just look at San Francisco and
20:42 I can't really understand why San Francisco would part ways with their best receiver.
20:47 Like it just seems to me as great as Debo is, as great as George Kittle is,
20:52 outside of McCaffrey, what really made that offense dangerous last year was
20:56 Brandon Aiyuk.
20:57 And he's young, he's in the prime of his career.
21:01 He doesn't have the wear and tear that Kittle and
21:02 Debo have from all these playoff runs.
21:05 Like if I'm the Niners, I would be looking to extend and lock up Brandon Aiyuk and
21:09 not necessarily shopping him in free agency.
21:12 Because Debo, Kittle, those guys are gonna start aging out.
21:16 And you're gonna have to be able to be prepared for the next four or
21:19 five years in San Francisco, which I think Aiyu fits perfectly.
21:23 Tee Higgins is the one guy that continues to be the guy to me that is available for
21:28 the right price and can be had.
21:30 Because the Bengals, they are not one of these big market teams that
21:35 are huge spenders typically.
21:38 And they've kicked the can down the road multiple times on Tee Higgins and
21:43 giving him a contract extension.
21:44 They didn't do it last offseason.
21:46 They franchise tagged him this offseason.
21:48 So I think he's available.
21:50 I think you need to blow them away a little bit.
21:52 But I would start with 34.
21:55 And personally, I think I would offer a future pick.
21:58 I would rather take picks from the future that maybe you can recoup and
22:02 moves out by yourself than to trade two picks from this draft for Tee Higgins.
22:07 So maybe you end up giving a little bit of a higher pick than you would if you
22:11 traded maybe a second and a fourth this year or something like that.
22:14 I'd almost rather give up a pick from 2025 just so
22:17 that you can maintain some of the picks that you have this year.
22:21 >> I agree, and at 34, like you mentioned, they really need an X.
22:24 Tee Higgins can be that.
22:25 There's not a lot of guys at that spot where you're probably gonna get that kind
22:28 of player.
22:29 And I mean, whether or not they add another tackle,
22:32 it seems like whoever they get is gonna be a developmental option.
22:34 Cuz you're not really getting a day one starting tackle outside of the first
22:37 round.
22:38 So it's like, all right, even if they decide they wanna double dip in the second
22:41 and third round and you want that to be Tee Higgins third round and
22:43 another receiver, maybe you pick up, I don't know, somebody slips.
22:47 You get a Javon Foster in the fifth and
22:48 try to get all his skill set and kind of bring that to the forefront.
22:52 You also mentioned Debo.
22:54 He's been the one who seems like he's actually been actively shopped.
22:58 And that's where you hear there's rumors about him being moved.
23:00 Would you be interested in that and what would you give up there?
23:02 >> Yeah, I mean, look, I love Debo Samuel.
23:04 I think he's a great player.
23:06 I worry about the wear and tear and I worry about his willingness
23:11 to go back to the role he was playing a few years ago and
23:15 really maximize the production that he brings to the table.
23:17 If he has no interest in doing some of those in the backfield alignment snaps or
23:24 even the scheme touches and things like that, that's what makes Debo.
23:28 Debo is getting the ball in his hands and letting him run with it.
23:31 So if he's not gonna do those types of things or
23:34 isn't willing to do those things, he clearly has told San Francisco and
23:38 Kyle Shanahan, I don't wanna play running back.
23:40 Don't put me at running back anymore.
23:43 If that's gonna be the case,
23:44 then I feel like it takes away some of his superpowers.
23:47 And on top of that, the injuries from the wear and
23:50 tear early on in his career of taking on so many of those hard touches.
23:54 It's not just volume of touches, it's also the type of touches that they're
23:58 giving him where he's got guys all over him and he's eluding or breaking tackles.
24:03 I think that that does concern me as well because he's been, every year now,
24:07 it seems like he's missing a few games here, missing a few games there,
24:11 because of these nagging injuries.
24:13 So I'm not out on Debo, I think that would be crazy to be in the Patriots position
24:17 and be out on a player of his caliber.
24:19 But I'd be wary of what I would give up in a trade for Debo right now.
24:24 >> And you mentioned he misses games here or there, but his injury stuff is also
24:27 kind of sneaky because he misses time in games.
24:30 And he's tough as they come, he comes back.
24:33 But you're talking like he'll also just have to sit out a quarter or two.
24:36 And then it's, yeah, it's not a game, but those are still important,
24:39 impactful plays where he's not gonna be on the field.
24:41 But like you said, the Patriots don't have anybody who has a skill set that's even
24:44 close.
24:45 And in this West Coast offense,
24:46 I think Alex Van Pelt will do a really good job of maximizing his skill set.
24:49 We kind of touched on the draft a little bit, but
24:52 I kind of want to go a little bit deeper in there.
24:54 So if they don't give up 34, they still have the second round pick,
24:57 a third round pick.
24:58 One thing, I'm going through a piece right now where I'm trying to write about
25:02 all the different tiers of players they have.
25:04 They don't have a blue chip offensive weapon.
25:06 We know this isn't a team that's competing for a Super Bowl.
25:08 But you look at all the teams in the playoffs who are actually competing,
25:11 they have at least one blue chip player as either a quarterback,
25:14 a pass catcher, or both.
25:16 Quarterback, the Patriots go Drake May,
25:18 it might take him a couple years to live up to his potential.
25:20 I think he's got that potential, but it's gonna take you some time.
25:24 So then I was thinking, okay, maybe you decide you wanna trade back a little bit.
25:28 Then get somebody like Roma Dunzey, or like Malik Naber, someone where it's, or
25:32 Joe Alt, someone where it's like you plug them in and you're like,
25:34 this is someone who I know is gonna be a home run.
25:37 They're gonna be a fixture in my offense for a long time.
25:39 Who are some options you think, whether it's in the first round?
25:42 I don't think Marvin Harrison Jr., because if you're taking him that early,
25:44 I feel like you can get similar type of production a little bit later and
25:48 get more picks.
25:48 So within the first three rounds, who are some guys that really intrigue you as
25:52 potential options for them to really get that type of, whether it's a blue chip or
25:56 just someone that you can rely on a couple years down the road to be a true
25:59 impact player for you?
26:01 >> Yeah, I agree with you on Marvin Harrison Jr.
26:03 And we take a lot of flack on Catch 22 for
26:05 being anti Marvin Harrison Jr. at three.
26:08 But it's two things.
26:10 One, you don't start a rebuild with a wide receiver.
26:14 That's just not what you do.
26:16 You have to build it from the foundation.
26:18 You don't buy a Ferrari without a garage to put it in, right?
26:22 It just doesn't make any sense.
26:24 And I can use whatever analogy you want.
26:26 I'm not a big fan of that move.
26:29 But if they did trade down and they accumulated and
26:32 stockpiled those picks and you're telling me they're gonna take neighbors or
26:35 doomsday instead, I can live with that.
26:37 I actually have all three of them in the same tier.
26:40 I'm not one of those people that feels like Marvin Harrison Jr.
26:43 is in a tier of his own.
26:44 He's an amazing prospect.
26:46 I'm not trying to downplay his talent.
26:48 >> The name is putting him in that different tier, I feel like,
26:50 cuz they're both- >> Yeah, I think they really are.
26:54 And they're all a little bit different and do things a little bit differently.
26:58 Doomsday more of that, I always comp him to more of a DeAndre Hopkins type,
27:02 where he's got the strong hands at the catch point and the contested targets.
27:07 But he's a really smooth route runner, maybe not the fastest guy, but
27:11 just an all around smooth athlete and gets open and things like that.
27:15 Neighbors is, you can take any of those explosive guys that can get up
27:20 the field vertically and probably use him as a comp.
27:23 I actually think he does comp really well to Jamar Chase,
27:26 even though that's kind of lazy from the LSU connection.
27:30 But when you look at him and you look at his body type, his speed,
27:34 all those types of things, I do think a lot of it is very Jamar Chasey.
27:39 So when you talk about those guys,
27:40 I could be convinced that all of those two guys after a trade down.
27:44 You look at day two, I will admit we talked about this guy at the combine,
27:49 Taylor, and Xavier Leguette's grown on me a little bit.
27:52 I've watched some more film on him.
27:55 And yeah, he's raw, he's not a route runner.
27:58 No one's gonna call him a technician.
28:01 But he's an explosive, explosive athlete that has that catch and
28:05 run ability to catch those in breakers and then be off.
28:09 He can run through the defense.
28:11 I look at him and I can't help, he's a little shorter than AJ Brown.
28:15 And he's a little bit more of a receiver, I would say, than Debo.
28:19 So I don't think that either one of those comps is perfect.
28:22 But at the same time, I just can't get the 2019 draft out of my head and
28:27 be like they passed on this exact type of player twice in the draft.
28:33 And they drafted the wrong type of guy in Nikhil Harry,
28:36 who they thought was in that category but wasn't.
28:39 And I just feel like Xavier Leguette is gonna end up being a Debo AJ Brown clone
28:43 at the next level and we're gonna be like, why?
28:45 Why did they not do this this time around?
28:48 So I feel like that's almost like making up for
28:51 the 2019 draft by targeting a guy like Leguette.
28:54 I really also, I'm a big fan of AD Mitchell's.
28:57 I think he's gonna probably go in the first round.
29:00 But if you can trade up and not give up too much from 34 to sneak back into
29:05 the end of the first round, I have AD Mitchell ranked as my fifth wide receiver
29:09 right now behind the big four, big three plus Brian Thomas Jr.
29:14 So I feel like those two guys at the top of the second round are my prizes there.
29:21 I like the Ricky Pearsall's.
29:23 I love the guys from Washington.
29:25 I think all those guys have talent, but probably more as complimentary receivers.
29:30 I don't necessarily see them developing into true stars,
29:33 true guys that are engines to your offense necessarily.
29:38 But I think all those guys can play and would be good picks, let's say at 68.
29:43 >> I agree, cuz a lot of the receivers after you get past the big four,
29:47 it's like they're either really fast, but they're really frail.
29:50 And even like Xavier Worthy, people will kind of compare him and
29:53 Troy Franklin to Taekwon Thornton.
29:55 One Worthy I think is a much better route runner.
29:58 He's a football player where he, as a technician,
30:01 I really like his skill set, but the size scares me.
30:04 And then Troy Franklin, not as great a route runner, but
30:06 I don't think he's Taekwon because he's legit after the catch.
30:09 He doesn't need a runway like Thornton does.
30:11 He really has some wiggle and can make some of his own plays when he's out in
30:15 space.
30:16 But like you said, with AD, he's got the size, he's got the explosiveness, and
30:20 he's got the route running chops.
30:21 And with Leggette, is he a technician?
30:24 No, but he doesn't let guys keep their hands on him,
30:26 which I love from a receiver.
30:28 I like when guys try to jam you and you're like, no,
30:30 that's not gonna happen.
30:31 He snaps off routes crazy well for a guy his size.
30:34 And you see the effort to get into blind spots and
30:36 make sure the corners get uncomfortable.
30:38 And plus if you're a receiver who's got good size where he can win on high points
30:42 and win on jump balls downfield, he's fast enough where I think,
30:45 he's not gonna burn guys, but I think he can have success downfield.
30:49 And he's good after the catch.
30:50 If you can threaten those areas of the field and
30:52 work on the intermediate game a little bit,
30:53 I think you're gonna have a lot of success.
30:55 And he's good on the crossing routes as well,
30:57 which I feel like will still be a focal point of this offense.
30:59 So I agree, if you can give up maybe, I don't know, like a future one or
31:04 something like that to get back into the first round to get an AD Mitchell,
31:07 I think you'd do it.
31:08 But get that and then maybe turn around and
31:09 get another weapon or your tackle or whatever.
31:12 I really like that plan.
31:13 Anything else you wanna add?
31:14 >> No, I just on Leggett, I think one thing when we talked initially about him,
31:20 I was at the Senior Bowl.
31:21 He had a rough couple days of practice at the Senior Bowl.
31:24 And it's hard not to have that skew your opinion on the player because-
31:28 >> Michael, impressively, yeah.
31:30 >> Yeah, what he looked like at Mobile.
31:32 And then the second thing I would just say with him is that at
31:37 121 pounds, he is somebody that moves really fluidly.
31:41 And I think could develop a little bit more as a route runner.
31:44 He's a late breakout guy, and
31:46 he didn't get a ton of opportunities early on in college.
31:49 So he's grown on me a little bit, and I could see that him being a really,
31:55 out of all these guys that we talk about on day two, in terms of just pure upside,
32:00 I think Xavier Leggett is at the top of the list.
32:02 If you just wanna go, one of the things that I have learned over time,
32:06 trying to get better at this,
32:08 is that you have to be able to win it through contact at the NFL level.
32:12 It's one thing to watch these guys in one on ones at the Senior Bowl,
32:16 watch these guys at the Combine.
32:18 And guys like Ladd McConkie and Ricky Pearsall and those players,
32:22 they're worthy, they're gonna put on a show in those settings.
32:26 Roman Wilson's another one of those guys.
32:28 But if you can't play through contact in the league,
32:30 because everybody in the NFL is fast, everybody in the NFL is physical.
32:35 So you're not gonna just get all of these off coverage reps where everybody's
32:40 eight, ten yards, eight yards, 12 yards down the field already.
32:44 And all you gotta do is threaten vertical and
32:47 then stop down on a comeback route and you've got separation.
32:50 That doesn't happen as often in the NFL.
32:52 And I think that that's one thing, strength through press coverage, but
32:56 also just through the entire route, going and finishing through contact.
33:00 Contested targets, being able to finish at the catch point.
33:04 Those are things that I feel like I stress more now than I maybe did earlier on when
33:08 I was just looking for the flashy route runners on film.
33:11 Like who are the guys that really lose people in coverage?
33:14 So that's why I feel like guys like Xavier Leggett,
33:17 Aidy Mitchell, those guys have grown on me a little bit.
33:21 >> And then and obviously it matters what you do on the field.
33:23 That's the biggest thing.
33:24 But also, you gotta love the personality and the backstory.
33:28 Leggett is a guy who's overcome a lot.
33:31 Really tough dude.
33:33 Seems very personable.
33:34 I talked to him at the combine, just listen to him answer questions.
33:37 I was really, really impressed.
33:39 Any other time I've heard him, now he's starting to catch on and
33:41 people realize he's got that really low voice and
33:44 that kind of Southern Forrest Gumpy kind of accent.
33:47 But also he was a team captain.
33:48 And this is a team where I think they are gonna value character guys,
33:51 especially as you rebuild.
33:52 You wanna have some of those young guys who can start taking accountability as they
33:56 get older.
33:56 So obviously not the most important thing.
33:58 It matters what you do on the field.
34:00 But that's another part of his game where I'm just like,
34:02 I can't see the Patriots not loving Leggett.
34:04 Plus, we already know that he met with him at the combine and
34:07 they went to his pro day.
34:08 We'll touch on that later, but they're not really hiding it.
34:10 I think that he's someone that they are legitimately interested in.
34:13 We're gonna get away from offense real quick.
34:15 So we have to mention the defense.
34:17 One of the things that the Patriots mentioned they wanted to do, or
34:19 at least that was reported, was that they wanted to add an elite defender.
34:22 There weren't many of those guys on the market.
34:25 That's kind of just how free agency goes.
34:27 I feel like we know that these kinds of players don't usually hit the market.
34:30 If they do, there's a reason.
34:31 Christian Wilkins, 29 years old,
34:33 obviously he signs the big deal to go to the Raiders.
34:36 Where he was one of the guys along with Ridley where I was like,
34:39 if you're gonna throw a bag at somebody, do it at these guys.
34:41 They're really good fits.
34:43 I feel like, especially Wilkins, personality wise, I would give my left
34:47 foot to see him and Jude on in the same locker room and play on the field together.
34:50 That would be just excellent for content.
34:52 But I also understand them not wanting to pay that much for a guy his age.
34:55 Deneal Hunter was somebody who then it kind of felt like fans were like, all
34:58 right, now he's the guy.
35:00 Never felt like a great scheme fit.
35:02 I'm sure with the productive player, you figure it out.
35:04 He ends up going to the Texans who fit much better and
35:06 obviously they've already got playoff aspirations.
35:09 So how do you see the Patriots reinforcing the defense anymore?
35:12 If you see them doing it at all, one big move I'd like to see,
35:15 we saw the Jaguars say, all right, we're gonna take our Calvin Ridley money.
35:18 Invest in the defensive trenches.
35:20 They wouldn't got Eric Armstead.
35:22 Be kind of nice if the Patriots did something similar.
35:23 Christian, far more.
35:24 But if you wanna touch on that and
35:26 any other moves you think they could make, fire away.
35:28 >> Yeah, I definitely think that it would be good to get out in front of
35:32 the bar more thing.
35:32 I mean, I'm not as concerned because he's obviously not a free agent until next
35:36 year, so they have some time to work that out with him.
35:39 But I'll steal bars take.
35:41 I think the one guy that does interest me is to find Gilmore.
35:44 Just because they have been looking for that third outside corner.
35:47 You know, Gonzalez is coming back from the injury.
35:50 You have Jonathan Jones.
35:52 You have some guys that can play in the inside.
35:54 I also reminded myself last night that Miles Bryant is still a free agent and
35:57 I know they play different positions.
35:59 But I don't know if the Miles Bryant era with Bill Belichick has gone,
36:03 has come to an end as well.
36:05 But I look at Gilmore as a guy that I think is still a starting caliber corner
36:09 in this league, but
36:10 is probably better cast as a number two corner on the outside.
36:14 So you have Gonzo on one side to really take those number one matchups.
36:18 You have Gilmore on the other side and take the lesser receiver.
36:21 Not only is it a good fit just to kind of bolster that secondary,
36:25 complete that secondary.
36:26 I also love the idea of Gilmore mentoring a guy like Christian Gonzalez because
36:31 of his demeanor, his playing style, like all of it is very similar.
36:35 I covered Gilmore for a couple years when he was with the Pats and
36:39 very, very similar guys.
36:41 Quiet, a little bit more reserved, but not,
36:45 I wouldn't use the word humble to describe Stefan Gilmore.
36:48 He knows he's good.
36:50 He's definitely somebody that has that quiet, cool confidence about him.
36:54 I think Gonzo's similar.
36:55 So there's a lot of corners that are still out there that I think could be
36:59 useful players.
37:00 And I look at this market and interior pass rushers, edge rushers,
37:05 those guys that get after the quarterback always were highly coveted.
37:08 But it feels like that market has moved significantly.
37:11 Whereas the coverage guys, it hasn't quite moved to the back end.
37:14 It's almost flipped.
37:15 For a couple years there, it was the other way.
37:17 Now we're back to paying pass rushers.
37:20 So I feel like that's something that maybe you can get a little bit of
37:23 a deal on because I don't know how big of a market Stefan Gilmore has right now.
37:27 >> What do you think about safeties?
37:29 Because one thing I figured Miles Bryant,
37:31 resigning him would make sense because he gives you so much versatility.
37:34 He played safety.
37:35 Then obviously Jalen Mills wanted a starting job.
37:38 So he's out and obviously Adrian Phillips are trying to get younger.
37:41 But it looks like for me, a lot of the safety options on the market are guys
37:45 that are gonna wanna be starters.
37:46 Where with the Patriots, they might be a number four,
37:49 cuz you got Duggar most likely staying in the fold.
37:52 You got Peppers.
37:52 I don't think Marte Mapu is gonna transition to full time linebacker.
37:55 I think they're gonna use him there in certain packages.
37:57 But I think he's gonna be in that kind of big nickel rotation where he plays deep
38:00 sometimes, he plays in the box, he plays linebacker.
38:03 So is there anybody on the market you think can maybe fill that spot or
38:06 is that something they might address later in the draft?
38:08 >> Well, I love Justin Simmons.
38:10 I always have loved Justin Simmons.
38:11 I feel like he's a player that, I did an interview with Devin McCourty
38:17 beginning of last year.
38:18 And just talking about them replacing him in the back end and
38:21 how that was gonna work.
38:23 And he said, they have plenty of talent between Kyle Duggar,
38:26 Adrian Phillips, Jabril Peppers, Mapu.
38:29 They have plenty of talent.
38:30 But the problem is that they don't all have a home.
38:34 There's not a specific role for those guys.
38:38 And he hearkened back to the secondaries that he really identifies with
38:42 with Chung and Duran Harmon and those guys.
38:45 And he said when it came down to money, it came down to winning time,
38:50 third down, fourth quarter tie game.
38:53 They all knew the spots that they were gonna be playing and
38:56 where their responsibilities were gonna be.
38:58 Harmon was gonna be in the deep part of the field.
39:00 McCourty was gonna be more of that robber, intermediate role.
39:04 Chung was obviously gonna be manned up against the tight end.
39:07 And they knew where they were getting to all the time.
39:10 Whereas I think with this secondary as cool as it is to say,
39:13 we have these interchangeable guys.
39:15 They don't really have guys that A, fit the center field role, but
39:18 B, okay, interchangeable is cool, but who's going where when it comes down to it?
39:24 And I think that's important as well.
39:25 So I look at a guy like Justin Simmons, and I say, you put him in center field.
39:30 Now all of a sudden Kyle Duggar can go back to playing closer to the line of
39:33 scrimmage, which is where he really belongs.
39:36 Jabril Peppers plays in his spot, and you get into that three safety look.
39:40 And now all of a sudden everybody fits in a little bit better.
39:43 So I love Simmons for them.
39:45 I think that would be a great sighting that I would be excited about.
39:49 I think it wouldn't necessarily save free agency for some people, but
39:53 I think it's a name that people would know as well.
39:57 >> I keep considering it, but I just feel like Jabril Peppers and
40:00 Duggar, I feel like are guys you want on the field every play.
40:03 Like Peppers was good in that deep center field role,
40:06 probably the one in there all the time.
40:08 You wanna be able to move him around and
40:09 he couldn't really do that as much last season.
40:11 So how do you think that would work out?
40:13 Do you think Simmons would be okay with maybe taking a bit of a backseat in this
40:17 point in his career?
40:18 Cuz it seems like he's still playing starting caliber football.
40:20 I'm just not sure how that rotation would work if you were trying to have three
40:23 safeties.
40:24 We know they use a lot of safeties, but when it comes to the regular nickel
40:27 defense where you have a true slot corner on, somebody's gotta be off.
40:31 >> Yeah, that's a good point.
40:32 And if you play three corner nickel,
40:35 it's more basically base nowadays, right?
40:39 Three corner nickel.
40:41 That's gonna make it so one of those guys might not necessarily be out there unless
40:45 you start getting creative with Duggar at linebacker,
40:48 true linebacker or something like that.
40:50 So I hear you on that.
40:51 I do wonder how Simmons would feel about not necessarily going all the way down to
40:56 a Duran Harmon role.
40:58 He's too good, I think, to put him all the way there.
41:02 But you look at how often they're gonna play six defensive backs,
41:05 how often they're gonna be in obvious passing situations.
41:08 And there's still probably 65, 70% of the snaps to get to all three safeties.
41:13 So I love Drew Biel Peppers.
41:15 He had a great year, great locker room guy, great energy guy.
41:19 I do wonder if that was more of a peak season for him last year.
41:23 And I would just really love to bring Kyle Duggar back to the line of scrimmage,
41:26 where he's so much better than he is playing up top.
41:29 So maybe Justin Simmons isn't the right guy cuz he's gonna make too much money to
41:34 put him in as a role player.
41:36 Maybe it's somebody else that they have their eye on.
41:38 But I don't feel like you can really target free safety in the draft with
41:42 a high premium need right now.
41:44 It's just way too many other needs on the offensive side of the ball.
41:47 So I'd love to go out and
41:48 get somebody like that that can play that position in free agency.
41:52 >> Yeah, and all the mocks, the only time I get a safety,
41:54 if it gets like the sixth or seventh round, they have to six.
41:56 So I'm like, all right, maybe they're like once you fill all the big holes and
42:00 then it's like, all right, we're maybe looking at like a guard or
42:03 like a running back or something in that regard.
42:05 But I totally get it.
42:06 It's gonna be interesting to see how they end up filling that role.
42:10 Now I wanna talk about the pro days because the Patriots have been reported to
42:14 be in a lot of the big name pro days.
42:16 I know they were at Clemson.
42:17 I'm gonna bring it up right here.
42:18 So they were at Oregon with TC McCartney was there looking at Bo Nix.
42:22 They were at South Carolina looking at Leguette.
42:24 Oklahoma where Tyler Guyton, I think Scott Peters was there.
42:27 So obviously he's at the top of that list.
42:30 Georgia looking at line, wide receiver, defensive back, very smart.
42:33 I like that they're paying more attention to Georgia than I feel like they have in
42:36 the recent years.
42:37 Cuz it's like, these guys are just sending, be the Eagles.
42:40 Just get all the players from the good college programs.
42:43 >> You can't do that to Saban, man.
42:44 You gotta stay loyal to your program.
42:47 >> Well, he's gone now.
42:48 They're both gone now.
42:49 So we can start getting, hopefully we get a Washington pipeline going.
42:53 I don't know if you saw my mock.
42:54 I was like, you know what?
42:55 We're just letting Tyler Hughes get all his guys from Washington.
42:59 Then they obviously went to Clemson as well in Arizona.
43:01 They reportedly went to.
43:02 So what are some of your takeaways from those schools?
43:05 Are there some guys really pop out to you that you think, yes,
43:07 these would be really good additions?
43:09 Even if it's not necessarily the early round guys,
43:11 even if there's some maybe later guys that you have your eye on.
43:15 >> Yeah, look, people are not gonna like it.
43:17 I keep saying that, but I just feel like people aren't gonna like Bo Nix.
43:21 I think Bo Nix is not moving the needle enough for some people.
43:25 But at the same time when you're in this process,
43:28 you have to be doing your due diligence on all the quarterbacks.
43:31 And at 34, Bo Nix is really in play.
43:33 If they don't pick a quarterback at three, I think Nix is probably more likely to be
43:38 there than Penix at this stage after Penix got the all clear at the combine medically.
43:43 So I think that Bo Nix has some things going for him.
43:47 There's definitely some tape from last year that's really encouraging.
43:50 You talk about really doing a lot of different things that translate to
43:54 the league from accuracy, timing in the pocket, arm strength.
43:59 In terms of mobility, I think he's a little bit more,
44:03 I guess, toolsy than Mac Jones was.
44:07 I don't think it's not as toolsy as Drake May is, right?
44:11 But there's kind of levels and I think Bo Nix is a little bit more toolsy in terms
44:16 of his mobility and his arm talent.
44:18 But at the same time, I understand that he's, the comp that I heard from him,
44:23 from Daniel Jeremiah, which I thought was great,
44:25 was he's basically Alex Smith of college football, right?
44:29 Where it's a lot of check downs, a lot of short throws.
44:32 Every once in a while, if somebody's wide open down the field,
44:34 he'll throw a bomb, but he's not a very aggressive downfield passer.
44:38 So there's not a lot of impressive down the field throws from him on film,
44:43 like there are with some of these other guys.
44:44 But you gotta do your homework on Bo Nix, and
44:47 I think that's an important thing for them to do.
44:50 I'm actually going to LSU in North Carolina for their pro days,
44:54 back to back days later this month.
44:56 So I'll be there for Jaden Daniels and Drake May, and so
44:59 we'll see who's there at those ones.
45:01 They're either not gonna send anybody because they don't wanna tip their hand or
45:05 they're gonna send the whole freaking crew.
45:07 I don't know which one it's gonna be, but I try not to look too much into the pro
45:11 day stuff, just cuz of all the 30 visits and the private workouts and
45:15 things like that that do happen behind the scenes.
45:18 But it is important part of the process for some of these guys.
45:23 >> You talk about not tipping your hand.
45:24 One player that I kind of think it's odd that they haven't shown any interest in
45:28 is Michael Panics Jr.
45:29 I would understand if there sincerely isn't any, but it's also like, okay,
45:33 if you are interested in him or any of these Washington guys,
45:35 you have somebody who was in the building.
45:37 So you don't need to meet somebody at the combine for 20 minutes if you have
45:41 somebody who was there with him for an entire season,
45:43 kind of getting the intel who has a feel for him and
45:45 can kind of relay a lot of that information.
45:48 Evan, it's been a blast, buddy.
45:50 I'll let you have the rest of your night.
45:51 First, let the people know, you can find him at Patriots.com.
45:55 If you don't know already, spoiler alert, but
45:57 let people know what you got coming down the pipeline.
45:59 >> Yeah, so just draft related really quickly, we're pushing out a new show.
46:03 It's called Patriots Draft Countdown, and it's gonna be all focused on the draft.
46:08 So we did our first live show yesterday talking about all the different
46:12 positions and sort of resetting needs and things like that.
46:16 But next week, I actually just did our interview with Brandon Thorne.
46:19 We're doing a full offensive line podcast.
46:22 So Brandon's on there.
46:23 We have a team of guys from Patriots.com talking about all the offensive line and
46:28 mostly tackles, of course, in the draft and all that kind of thing.
46:31 So we'll keep doing those every single week now through the draft.
46:37 And I'm also doing some touch screen film breakdowns in those as well.
46:41 So you see that, pull off the little Dan Orlovsky action there.
46:45 So a lot of cool stuff on that show.
46:47 It's called Patriots Draft Countdown.
46:50 >> All right, I'm excited to see that as I'm sure everyone is.
46:53 Appreciate you coming on again, buddy.
46:54 Appreciate you all for watching.
46:56 Now take care of yourselves.
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