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00:00 the next. From an undisclosed location in Indianapolis comes a Pats interference podcast

00:18 brought to you by FanDuel the exclusive wagering partner of the C.L.N.S. media network and

00:21 a whole lot of Patriots news. Elliott Wolfe spoke today, Tuesday, this morning at 10 a.m.

00:29 for about fifteen minutes and I think Doug and I wrote about fifteen stories off of that

00:33 single press conference. His first as a de facto GM of the Patriots. He confirmed he

00:38 had roster control, something I reported three weeks ago. His title remains the same but

00:43 everything else underneath him within the front office, which now includes Alonzo Highsmith,

00:48 now is abiding by a different grading system. Macro is technically the number two, but we'll

00:52 see how things shake out is going to be different. And Elliott gave voice to a whole lot of differences

00:58 that are either already in motion or are about to come this way. And it was refreshing in

01:03 a way that there was some honesty here, there was some specificity. Doesn't mean the Patriots

01:06 are going to win anymore now that Bill Belichick is gone, but you are going to have a much

01:10 better idea of what the Patriots are thinking, why they're going to act, and what their new

01:14 philosophy is going to be under Elliott Wolfe, who of course is working very closely with

01:18 Rod Mayo. So, what we have here today are six takeaways, three from me, three from Doug,

01:23 that will hopefully give you a full-fledged picture of what happened. Because again, this

01:27 was, I don't know, like up against Gerard's introductory press conference might have been

01:33 more informative, honestly, more insightful for you as a fan about who this person is,

01:39 what's going on, all these different things. So, lots to come from Elliott Wolfe. On the

01:43 back end of this episode, we have our first segment. I don't know if it's going to be

01:47 fan bag, mail fan, whatever it's going to be, where the star of the show is you. If

01:52 you replied to my tweet asking for mailbag questions and replied with a receipt for a

01:58 donation to Boston Children's Hospital, because we are finally getting this off the ground,

02:01 where you and I get to chat for five, six minutes. If you have responded with a mailbag

02:05 question, prove that you've donated at least $1 to Boston Children's, I will randomly pick

02:09 a winner. Our first winner was Brian Sheridan from Saugus, Massachusetts. So, Brian and

02:15 I, I told him, we'll give you three, four minutes, get your question, we'll go back

02:18 and forth. We actually went seven and eight. It was a great conversation. So, that's on

02:21 the back end, talking about the draft, Marvin Harrison Jr. and lots more. So, stay tuned

02:26 for that. And if you want your chance to come on the podcast, come hang out. All you have

02:30 to do is respond to my next mailbag tweet or email me as Brian did. And we had two more,

02:34 it was Gary and Joe. Gary and Joe, you're coming up next with that receipt to help kids

02:40 who are in the fight of their lives, for their futures, for their families. Every single

02:43 dollar matters. And the way that we can do this and tie in the Patriots, all the better.

02:47 So, here comes six takeaways from Elliott Wolfe's press conference with Doug. Hi, Doug

02:51 is back. And then Brian Sheridan, asking questions about the Patriots as our new segment

02:56 featuring you in the mailbag. All right, he's back. People's champ, people's favorite guest

03:00 on the Pat's Interference Podcast, Doug Kai, I'm a partner at the Herald. I think I would

03:04 call this day one at the Combine, first full day.

03:08 - That makes sense. We were here for most of the day yesterday, but yeah, this is the

03:12 first full day. It's supposed to be the first day of the Combine. Sean McDermott, though,

03:17 the bell. Spoke to reporters on Monday before the Combine actually started. So, at least

03:22 that didn't happen to us this year.

03:24 - Yeah, it's always funny. The first day of the Combine is a lot of first day of school

03:27 or first day of training camp. How was your summer? When did you get in? How long were

03:31 you staying? Hey, have you been to this particular steakhouse that really you treat like a bar,

03:34 but we saw in the daylight for the first time yesterday, walk around the city. Oh my God,

03:38 it just doesn't exist at 2 a.m. and after. So, all of this is to say the Combine is slowly

03:42 getting underway. I said at the outset, I want to save all the rumors and the whispers and

03:46 rumblings for later in the week once you and I have spoken to a lot more people. But I

03:50 will say, having spent most of the last two days together, we've spoken to a lot of folks

03:54 already. And there was one takeaway or one quote that's included in a column that I have

03:59 up at the Boston Herald, speaking with someone within the team, which you brought up and

04:04 I'm glad I got to use because it went over my head and meant all the things that we're

04:07 looking for. And I just want to hit on that first before we get to Elliot.

04:09 - Yeah, no, absolutely. Just the, well, Elliot said today, Elliot Wolfe, Patriots de facto

04:15 GM spoke to the media at 10 a.m. this morning. He said that he was trying to bring back respectability

04:20 to the team. That's not the exact quote, but that's, you know, and I brought that up to

04:26 someone within the staff, just because I think that some Patriots fans might take that the

04:31 wrong way that, oh, it lost respectability under Bill or whatever it was. And the person

04:37 we were speaking to was basically just like, no, I mean, like we are trying to regain respect.

04:42 Like people don't look at us well right now around the league and I don't think that they're

04:46 used to that based on all the success that they've had in the past. So I don't think

04:51 that was a shot to Bill Belichick or to anyone. I mean, Elliot Wolfe has been on the staff

04:56 since 2020. I think they genuinely are trying to regain respect around the league right

05:01 now.

05:02 - Yeah, he said, we feel it in the interactions with other teams, which is such a far fall

05:05 for the last four years, which we're not going to revisit, but I think it's worth getting

05:09 inside the heads of this new part office, which we know is changing. We know it's going

05:12 to have flavors of the Packers and they're debating what to do at number three and how

05:16 is free agency going to go. But there's something to be said for, okay, we got to get back.

05:20 Like we've got to bring this back because most everyone, except for Elliot, honestly

05:24 has experienced what it was being like at the top of the mountain. So they're saying,

05:27 hey, we can't just take an elevator and get back up there. Like we need to get somewhere

05:32 in the middle where we can at least look down back on the Jets again, or the Panthers or

05:35 anyone else is drafting ahead of them. Elliot Wolfe though, 15 minutes. And then he actually

05:39 had a second smaller scrum with reporters, exclusively Patriots reporters afterward,

05:44 which is commonplace around here, except for Patriots reporters, because this is the first

05:48 press conference at the combine for New England since 2013. But you have a set of takeaways.

05:54 We have not shared them despite sharing a hotel room and basically every second of every

05:57 day together.

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06:34 Number one under list of, I have to tell someone about Elliot Wolfe's press conference today.

06:39 Number one takeaway was this.

06:42 - I think I would say that he confirmed that they're meeting with all three quarterbacks,

06:45 all three top quarterbacks in this year's draft.

06:47 - Not on my list.

06:48 - That's good. That's good. I mean, it's just important. You never know how this thing's

06:52 gonna go. Like Elliot Wolfe said today, they have 45 formal interviews, they're 18 minutes

06:57 a piece. Then they've also got informal interviews as well. I think that everyone knows the Patriots

07:03 are looking at quarterbacks in this draft. Everyone knows that that's the most likely

07:06 scenario is that they take a quarterback with one of those top three picks. But first of

07:11 all, it's good that they're meeting with Kayla Williams, Drake May, and Jaden Daniels. But

07:17 also just the fact that I asked Elliot Wolfe verbatim, "Are you meeting with these three

07:21 guys this week?" And he said, "Yes." And that's not the kind of confirmation that you're used

07:26 to getting from a Patriots staff, from Bill Belichick, from anyone else. And you can argue

07:31 whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, that they're giving away state secrets, but

07:36 it's a big takeaway that they are heading into this week knowing they need a quarterback,

07:41 knowing there's a top three, knowing they have a number three overall pick, and that

07:45 one of those guys is going to fall to them. So now at this point, they need to get to

07:50 know them because Elliot Wolfe has watched these guys, but he hasn't actually met them

07:53 yet. And those 18 minute interviews with those players will be very important. And this isn't

07:58 the end of the road. They'll talk to them at the pro day. They might host them on visits

08:02 to July as well. But this is a starting point for a lot of people, whether that's Drodd

08:06 May or Elliot Wolfe or guys within the system. Because I was even, you know, you talk to

08:11 area scouts and they don't get to meet with quarterbacks when they're on the road. They

08:16 get to meet with other guys, but the quarterbacks are kind of protected and hidden, especially

08:20 the underclassmen. So this really is the first opportunity for the Patriots and a lot of

08:25 teams to meet with those top three quarterbacks. And then also the other quarterbacks in this

08:29 draft as well, because I was talking to someone else who said, we'll likely meet with all

08:34 of the quarterbacks here at some point this week. Might not be formal, might be informal,

08:39 but they'll get a gauge on all of these guys this week in Indianapolis.

08:43 So that is the reason it did not make my list because when we broke from Elliot the first

08:47 time and he's up at a podium in this large conference room in the convention center,

08:50 and they have them next to other GMs and head coaches who speak on Tuesday and Wednesday

08:54 and have those podiums from Thursday through Sunday, you get the players in the same space.

08:58 It's very centralized. So everyone's milling about, they've got a smaller radio row behind

09:02 this area and there's a lot of media team in-house media all set up. So he said that

09:06 there and as soon as he finished and went off to do the side scrum, I said, it really

09:09 would have been bigger news. And he said, we don't really want to see Jane Daniels.

09:13 Caleb Lips can take a hike and we're actually going to get dinner with Drake May, but we're

09:16 not going to do anything about it because again, you're at the top and it's in their

09:20 best interest to say that. I mean, it sounds like state secrets because I think the big

09:23 takeaway and I don't know what the impression is of Elliot's press conference at home, whether

09:27 that be talk radio or Twitter, or just people talking on the street outside dunks. But if

09:32 there's some resistance or negative reaction to this, fine, whatever. I think it has a

09:35 lot to do with change. And we need to understand that there is going to be resistance to change

09:39 because we're human beings and we're human beings from the Northeast. But the change

09:43 of him supposedly being open, it's not a state secret, but he is more open than Bill was,

09:47 is to say he should say that because anyone who wants a quarterback at least has to be

09:51 under the impression that the Patriots are interested in taking what they should be,

09:54 in my opinion, on the record, take one. But at least for appearance's sake, drive up the

09:58 price if they want to trade back. That being said, my number one takeaway was just his

10:02 actual brutal honesty. Like there were so many moments that were not, did this make

10:06 your, your list and some form of fashion? Okay, good. So exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. So

10:10 this is, this is broad, but a couple of quotes here that really caught my attention. We need

10:15 to weaponize the offense on defense. And you'd be faster and more explosive and the culture

10:21 quote in, he was asked if it had changed already, which is impossible. He mentioned that they

10:25 don't really have a roster yet. It's more open and less hard ass type vibe in the building

10:31 moving forward. So that is Elliot Wolf telling you a, he has seen problems at offense on

10:36 defense and within the culture. And look again, I don't take this as a shot at Bill. This

10:41 is a guy coming into a job that became vacant because the guy before him was not doing a

10:46 proper job. It's in the numbers four and 13, 29 and 39, the guy with complete power of

10:50 football operations oversaw that who else is going to be responsible, but it doesn't

10:54 take away from the greatness. It's just, this is how we got where we are, but him giving

10:57 voice to that and specifically saying in these areas, I don't think it was critical. These

11:01 were all different questions, but it was refreshing. Not only just the brutality of it, but the

11:06 brutal, brutal honesty of it. Yeah. And I mean, I think that this is what you almost

11:10 have to do when you have a new head coach or new regime or whatever it is, is that,

11:15 you know, you go from a hard ass to more of a player's coach or you go for more of a player's

11:19 coach to a hard ass. And I mean, I don't know how draught may was going to be. I think he

11:23 probably will be more of a player's coach than Bill Belichick. But even just someone

11:27 else that we were talking to this week saying that like people are smiling in the office

11:32 and like, that sounds corny. And I'm sure there's a subset of fans who are going to

11:37 be like, ah, football needs to be the way that Bill Belichick was doing it. But I think

11:41 that this is the only way that you can really change an approach and potentially go on to

11:46 have more success is to have a full culture change. It seems like that's what Elliot

11:49 Wolf and Gerard Mayo are trying to do. Should I get to my second takeaway? Well, let me

11:53 just add on this really quickly, because, you know, I think the part about Bill doing

11:59 business and football his way is that it's just like anyone else in a leader position.

12:03 It has to emanate naturally. It has to be authentic to you. Bill got the nickname doom

12:08 15 years before he became the head coach of the New England Patriots. So here was this

12:12 miserable genius, miserable in quotes, relative, obviously the guy smiled, had a family, enjoys

12:17 life. But as far as the work environment that he fostered as a leader, doom did that. That

12:22 was authentic to him. Lawrence Taylor said everything was the end of the world if you

12:25 screwed up, if you didn't set the edge, if you missed a gap, if you ran behind the quarterback

12:29 is your pass rush. What is authentic to Gerard and to Elliot is a little bit lighter. There's

12:35 a levity in the building. Hearing that, yeah, people are smiling. Things are okay. Even

12:38 Matt Groh is a pep in his step. Matt Groh, Belichick loyalists. This middle name might

12:42 be Bill for all I know. And that's because it's natural to them. It doesn't make it better.

12:47 It doesn't make it worse. But like you couldn't separate the, I'm going to use my word, misery

12:52 from Bill and his genius in the same way that we don't know if this will take off, but it

12:55 will be different out of necessity and because of just the people they put in charge. And

12:59 that's it. Absolutely. All right. Number two. Number two. I think I am stealing one of yours

13:03 on this one. And that's that Michael Wenu, free agent, offensive lineman is a core player.

13:10 According to Elliot Wolfe, he said that Patriots want to keep Michael Wenu. They want to keep

13:15 safety Kyle Duggar. They've had conversations with those guys. Kyle Duggar's agent, Michael

13:21 Wenu himself, because he doesn't currently have an agent, wouldn't say if those were

13:26 productive conversations. But he made it very clear that the Patriots would like to keep

13:32 both of these guys around. The hope is to keep them around. We'll see if that actually

13:36 comes to fruition. But I think another thing that he said that is pertinent to this or

13:42 is related to this is just that the Patriots want to develop through the draft, re-sign

13:48 their own guys. And that would be, you know, a good way to use all their cap money right

13:53 now. All of the cash that they need to spend right now is to re-sign their own guys who

13:58 have done well within this system, which is Michael Wenu and Kyle Duggar. We'll see how

14:02 Michael Wenu fits into a new offensive system. But just within the building, well-liked players,

14:07 well-respected. Like I said, we'll see if it actually happens. Elliot Wolfe said that

14:13 all options are on the table about whether or not they're going to use the franchise

14:16 tag. I think that for me, if they're having trouble signing one or both of these guys,

14:22 use the franchise tag. Like you have the money. I know it might not be the best long-term

14:26 investment, but like maybe you can work something out after you tag them or next offseason or

14:32 whatever it is. I don't think that the Patriots should be in the business right now of losing

14:37 good players to other teams, which would be what they would be doing if they do lose Michael

14:42 Wenu or Kyle Duggar.

14:43 That's absolutely right. And let's hit the franchise tags really quickly because I think

14:46 a lot of people would say, Oh my God, just tag him. Just tag him. You're it. That's it.

14:49 You're staying. This is one here. It's done. The cost for Mike on when it was close to

14:53 $21 million, it's shy by like a couple hundred grand. And then for Kyle Duggar at $17.3 million.

14:59 That's a bit rich for Kyle Duggar. And not even right now, given the season that we just

15:04 saw, he's a year older. You go back to the projections I was getting in the summer, asking

15:07 around agents or other executives, what should Kyle Duggar get? We sign him. What's the deal

15:10 look like? And they were around 14 to 15 at most average annual value. This obviously

15:16 is more than that. And it's fully guaranteed and it's one year. So I would lean towards

15:19 on one of them.

15:20 There's a transition tag though, too, for Duggar, which would be 14 million. Oh, when

15:24 it was really not that much less, I think, Oh, when it would still be like 19, $20 million.

15:29 But basically like the transition tag, it gives you right of first refusal to match

15:34 another offer from a team. But if they lose them, they don't lose them for anything. Whereas

15:39 with a franchise tag, when you get a first round pick back.

15:41 Yeah. Non-exclusive. It's exclusive. It's two.

15:45 Right. So like transition tag for Duggar for 14 million seems to make sense to me. Yeah.

15:49 He might still lose him, but at least like you're, you're making a step towards signing

15:53 him and you're putting the impetus on someone else to offer that contract. And then you,

15:58 like I said, have to write a first refusal for it.

16:00 Yeah. All right. So I'm with you on Michael winning because I think, you know, again,

16:03 this was Elliot Wills first press conference. We understood, you know, he talked with some

16:06 other folks within the organization about it afterwards. I don't know how serious those

16:09 talks were, but it's something he gave thought to beforehand and after. And if there's one

16:13 tell, if there was one slip up aside from saying, we're not going to have as much of

16:16 a hard ass culture, which I have to guarantee is being played on the radio as we record

16:20 this late to us Tuesday afternoon is that he called Mike on when, who a core player,

16:26 he called him a cornerstone, as you mentioned. And then the Packer ways he later described

16:29 this draft and develop and extend your core players from within. There's a direct quote.

16:34 And so that to me says, okay, he's a top priority. Yeah. Does it mean things get done? No. Does

16:38 it mean what I reported last week here in this podcast, that there's still pessimism

16:42 around that? No, Michael went and fired his agent. So far, we don't know if he's signed

16:46 on with anyone else that either means that he's not getting one of two things. Now they're

16:50 very disparate here. So it's not really going to tell us much either. He's not getting the

16:54 money that he wants or he's not getting the deal to stay home, which to me felt like what

16:58 Kyle Duggar fired his representation inside with any since started with it already. But

17:03 putting that aside, the unwitting slip up staying with the Packer way. How much did

17:07 that sound to you different from what the Patriots have been doing? Understanding it

17:11 also incorporates a different grading system, but everyone wants to draft and develop. It's

17:14 not like we're going to draft and say, see you later. What's the Patriots have largely

17:17 done since they're on Harvard and resigned in 2017. I mean, I'm sure the Patriots would

17:20 love to draft and develop, but they haven't drafted players worth developing. Like they

17:24 haven't drafted players worth resigning for the most part. And there are some examples

17:28 of like you lose Logan Ryan, who I'm sure they would have liked to keep around you.

17:32 You lose some other players like Malcolm Brown. Maybe you want to keep around, but they were

17:37 kind of cap strapped a lot, a lot of those years because the teams were so good that

17:40 I think that that is probably why they weren't resigned those guys in the mid 2010s. By the

17:47 late 2010s, they weren't resigning draft picks because they weren't good enough to resign

17:51 essentially. So yeah, I'm sure that the Patriots would have loved to be doing that all along,

17:56 but there were some, the Patriots aren't typically a team that builds through free agency. Like

18:02 they were building through free agency values, but it really wasn't until I, in 20, 2007.

18:07 Yeah. With like Randy Moss and Wes Walker trades or that kind of situation, but really

18:13 they were drafting and developing throughout the whole dynasty eras. And it wasn't until

18:18 2021 when they really like blew up in free agency because they had to, and because they

18:22 had the cap space. So I'm curious to see how this all looks this off season, because they

18:27 do have a ton of cap space. They have to spend a ton of cash.

18:31 And he didn't commit to that cash. Right. I think you asked him directly about it. You

18:34 said- Plan to be aggressive. Go ahead.

18:35 Right. Yeah. I asked him, do you plan to be aggressive in free agency? And he said that

18:39 they plan to be aggressive improving the team, but that doesn't necessarily mean-

18:43 Trying to help the team. Like how aggressively can you help an old woman across the street?

18:47 Like I'm going to do this. Am I going to stand here all day and just usher them across the

18:51 street, spend money in free agency? I think his point was, oh, we'll see. Sometimes I

18:54 need a rest. Yeah. And he said, whether that means spending

18:58 or saving money, which I'm sure that that will get twisted in a lot of different ways.

19:06 But I mean, if they don't think that they can be competitive in 2024, which they probably

19:10 can't, yeah, like save the cap space. Like go all in next year or whatever it is. I don't

19:18 know. I mean, like obviously there's a lot of different ways to do this, but they have

19:21 to sign players that they like when it comes down to it. And you can't just spend money

19:25 on guys that you don't like, which could be the case in free agency.

19:28 Which happened last year. We've documented together is that they looked at the free agent

19:32 draft class for offense tackles, draft class. Now I wouldn't have opted for basically nothing,

19:37 which was Riley Riefen, Calvin Anderson, but that's a story in the past. The one note about

19:41 cap space too, because I think there's a sense of, and this is Gerard Mayo's framing, something

19:45 maybe he would want back from his own interview is to say, we're ready to burn some cash.

19:50 And then there's the sit on our hands, do nothing. The Patriots are going to do something

19:53 in the middle. And I've leaned in report and said, they have to spend more money. You just

19:56 look at the numbers. You look at their cap space. You look at the cash spending floor

20:00 that you've written about before. And it was very helpful talking about it here on the

20:02 podcast is just to say, there'll be somewhere in the middle. This is not an all or nothing.

20:06 They're going to spend money, but they might look at this as you said and say, okay, we

20:10 don't want to sign Michael Pittman at $20 million, whatever, right. Mark Eastbrook.

20:13 I'm not particularly high in Mark Eastbrook, but we can do is trade for this strictly an

20:18 example. I don't think this is going to happen. A veteran player on a bloated contract that

20:23 we can take back at a low cost from a trade asset standpoint, like Devante Adams in the

20:27 open market should get high picks first, second round picks if the Raiders wanted to move.

20:31 And they said today explicitly, they do not. Jelson P. Carroll said he wasn't going to

20:35 trade Russell Wilson two days later at the combine they did two years ago. They could

20:39 absorb that contract in a way that very few teams could and not give up a whole lot in

20:44 return because they're doing the Raiders in this theoretical situation, a hypothetical,

20:48 a favor by taking, giving them cap relief. So I'm just saying it's another way to use

20:52 a cap space. That's not spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

20:54 I think that there's a market. I don't know. I think there's a way to exploit the market

21:01 by trading for veteran players on bloated contracts. And I'm not sure if this is something

21:06 that teams will do. I would be curious to talk to my friend, Brad Spielberger, who's

21:09 a cap expert on things like this. But a few years ago when there was talk about, do you

21:15 trade for Odell Beckham Jr. or something, I forgot that he'd signed a four year, $72

21:19 million contract or something like that. But a lot of that is signing bonus. So like his

21:22 actual salary wasn't that high. And it was like, this is kind of a bargain. What do you

21:27 get him for? Because his salaries were only like 10, $12 million, whatever it is. There

21:31 are guys out there and Odell Beckham Jr. isn't the best example because he hasn't been that

21:34 good since then. But there are other players like that who have signed big contracts that

21:40 are very signing bonus heavy, which means that their salaries are lower than what you

21:45 can get for comparable player on the open market.

21:47 So yeah, I'm curious to see if they do something like that because I do think that that's a

21:51 good market inefficiency to acquiring good players on salaries that are lower than free

21:56 agency.

21:57 Right. Not a great year as far as timing goes because the cap jump so high up teams can

22:01 find these deals a little bit more palatable than normal, but someone's going to need the

22:05 cap relief. I think the Patriots should be waving both hands going over here. We'll take

22:09 them over here. And maybe if you want to attach a pick, we'll take that too. Speaking of trades,

22:15 Mac Jones came up today and Elliot did not say anything specific about Mac Jones because

22:20 he said, I will not say anything specific to the media about this.

22:23 I think that's a good policy. It's also something as far as the folks who are going, Oh, they're

22:26 bearing bill, they're backstabbing bill, yada, yada. That's straight out of Bill's playbook.

22:30 That's a smart move. Elliot is going to continue that. Do not speak about player standing with

22:34 the media. Keep it behind closed doors.

22:36 Drodd Mayo is going to do the same thing, but he was also asked in a question where

22:40 again, I described this large podium and he's up there and there are a lot of us standing

22:44 around, looking up recorder, extended, trying to make eye contact. And inevitably you get

22:49 some reporters and I've done this for other coaches and GMs who are asking questions,

22:53 nothing to do with the Patriots. It's for their stories. Cause they're a national reporter.

22:56 I work for the Titans and you, you know, once stood at a urinal next to ran carthon and

22:59 how was that? I want to write a story about it. But the question was about body language

23:04 and Elliot gave this response, which I think in a vacuum is completely cool.

23:10 Yeah. Makes sense. It's fine. It's the same standard. Every single team should apply,

23:14 but then we go Patriots do not exist in a vacuum. They exist next to Mac Jones with

23:18 Mac Jones. And so when I read you this quote, you tell me what you think. He exists in a

23:22 Mac. Oh, okay. Time out for you. One minute. This is what Elliot said in response to the

23:26 importance of body language when it comes to the quarterback position, quote, body language

23:30 on the field is very important at that position. You don't want a guy that's throwing his hands

23:34 up after a bad play, or you can see him physically pointing at somebody. Everybody's looking

23:40 at the quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not particularly important, but like I, you heard

23:48 me stifle laughter as he was saying this because I couldn't believe it. It's not altogether

23:53 important, but this is a fifth out of six takeaways. It just hit me in the final. Yeah.

23:57 I don't think that he was saying it like, but it's true. Like you don't want a guy like

24:01 that. And I think that was a major issue in 2022 with the Patriots where Mac Jones was

24:06 doing that. I think it struck a lot of people the wrong way. I think that, um, I don't know

24:10 if there was like grudges held over it, but I think, I don't know if like he could really

24:13 curry favor after he was doing that to coaches that people within the building respected.

24:18 It was better in 2023, but he was also benched. So there was less time for him to be doing

24:23 it late in the season. Um, but no, I mean, yeah, yeah. I don't think it was a direct

24:30 shot at Mac Jones. I think it's just a logical thing to want and to say, but it's hard not

24:36 to make that connection when Mac Jones was doing that. So heavily in 2022.

24:39 Right. And I think, you know, as I said, it behooves them to talk about the third pick

24:45 and saying, we're going to meet with every quarterback. We like every quarterback we

24:47 love. And he said, it's a really good quarterback class that caught my attention for sure. So

24:51 it behooves him to say positive things about Mac Jones, just not to decrease his trade

24:56 value in the open market. Hopefully Stokes some sort of bidding war. If they do trade

24:58 him, I think it'll happen. We'll see. But I, again, I think he was just being honest

25:02 and this is the downside of being more honest with the media. Not because that's something

25:06 that was factually incorrect or not authentic to him or team building. It's just that it

25:11 can create a little bit of a headache. And so that, that, you know, I'm not going to

25:16 be someone who here, who bitches about the deflections and the cliches. And then when

25:19 you're honest with us, be like, criticize you for it. But I understand why that might

25:22 be taken out of context or people run with that. And we'll see. All right. Your last

25:26 takeaway. My last one is that they're changing the grading system for prospects, which is

25:31 big in itself, just because it's totally new. I was talking to someone who is, yeah, is,

25:37 is part of that. He's learning the new grading system, was on board with it, was happy with

25:42 it. The way that Elliot Wolf described it was that the old grading system was more role

25:48 based and this is more value based. I think it simplifies things a little bit, but it

25:53 also the Patriots had very defined roles because they knew their offense so well and they knew

26:01 their defense so well. And now it seems like under Alex Van Pelt, this is something that

26:06 he stressed last week to us is that they're going to build the offense around the team

26:11 strengths.

26:12 So I think this does allow a bigger draft board for the Patriots and also allows them

26:18 to maybe take a best available player a little bit better than they could in the past where

26:24 they were saying, yeah, this might be the best overall player, but he might not fit

26:29 our system. He not might not fit what we want to do on offense. He might not fit a role

26:34 that we currently need on our team or whatever it is. But another element of this is I was

26:40 talking to someone else inside the building last night. They were saying that the new

26:46 system and the new structure is a little bit easier in general because Elliot has watched

26:52 all of these guys. Like Elliot has more time to watch these players than Bill Belichick

26:57 did when he was the head coach of a team.

27:00 I think that this is why more teams go towards a GM and a head coach rather than a head coach

27:07 who is the GM. And it was a system that worked perfectly for the Patriots for 20 years. But

27:14 that's because Bill Belichick was a unicorn and was very specific in his knowledge of

27:18 the game and everything like that. And Gerard Mayo doesn't have that. So now they need this

27:23 two person system with Elliot Wolfe as the de facto GM, Gerard Mayo as the head coach.

27:28 And I think that that will help scouts a lot that they don't need to be quite as detailed

27:33 in these scouting reports of players because Elliot Wolfe knows the players as well as

27:37 they do, or maybe not as well, but at least he knows them. He's watched them. So I think

27:43 that goes into this system as well, that scouts don't need to tell Bill Belichick, this is

27:50 how this guy is going to fit into our system. This is how I see this guy. You might seem

27:57 differently, but this is where the value is. So I don't know. Ultimately, I do think it's

28:02 going to be a good thing. And that's not to say that the old system was bad. The old system

28:06 was necessary for what the Patriots were doing. I think that in general, this is a more streamlined,

28:12 simplified approach to evaluating draft prospects.

28:15 It's a really great point. And I wish we had spent time on this earlier because I think,

28:18 again, the grading system speaks to what's the philosophy behind it. That's how you make

28:22 it actionable, what you believe in, what you're going to categorize and assign and kind of

28:27 bring this to life. And so the Patriots old approach, and this Daniel Jeremiah gave away

28:31 to this last week, they were such a niche team. And the way they were trying to fit

28:35 players in, it was no wonder they had the smallest draft board or one of the smallest

28:38 draft boards in the entire league, because they were looking for those specific roles.

28:41 This is saying how good is the guy? And if he's that good enough to be on our board,

28:45 we'll find a way to bring him in and work the system around him. So instead of finding

28:49 players to bring the system to life, these are bringing in the best players that we can

28:54 build a system around. And so that's when you hear it from Alex Van Pelt, which sounds

28:58 a little crazy. We don't know if we're going to be his own clocking scheme or a gap scheme.

29:03 But I think that approach for a roster that's been so starved of talent, that might have

29:07 better fits here, but they aren't good enough. They don't value, there's no blow chip roster.

29:11 I think it is a good transition, not to mention, if Elliot Wolfe's going to be your GM, you're

29:15 going to go with the Packer system because that's what he grew up in. That's what he

29:17 knows. And I think it speaks to a healthy change, but of course, it's a matter of the

29:21 execution. As for a couple of things where you can look at this specifically and go,

29:25 okay, what does a Packer style graded player look like? Versatile offensive linemen, this

29:29 is of course Daniel Jeremiah, receivers with kick return experience or ability. And we

29:34 heard from Elliot about his quarterback traits today. He wanted someone who could elevate

29:39 everyone around him, which speaks a little bit to leadership. And he got to physical

29:42 skills at the end, which was interesting given the Packers taking Jordan Love and Aaron Rogers,

29:46 both from more athletic, off platform throwing quarterbacks, but we'll get into that more

29:51 to later day. All right, a couple of mailbag questions and we'll get out of here. First

29:55 of all, the first mailbag question I've already answered. It's a prerecorded segment. It's

29:57 at the end. Brian was the first winner of our new segment. Again, I need an official

30:02 name for this. We have to do better than fan bag, but thank you to everyone who replied

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30:14 receipt. We will get you on here. There are two people who were omitted because they also

30:18 emailed me these receipts, but we're going to answer their questions right now. So this

30:21 comes from John. John is itching to know about Steve Belichick. Yeah, we heard about him

30:26 last week, a little UW connection. So here's the question. I'm going to read the whole

30:29 paragraph because thank you, John. Quote, can you explain the rationale behind the Steve

30:34 Belichick move? I get the connection to Jed Fish and that Washington was in the national

30:38 championship game, but the college game seems so much harder on coaches recruiting portal

30:43 and LL and Washington seems poised for a step back this year. I see why he wouldn't want

30:47 to stay in New England, but was this really the best job he could get with a run there

30:50 and full options for him? It seems like the plate caller in a top five defense should

30:53 be getting head coaching interviews, not just going to a non blue chip college program.

30:58 Not blue chip, please. Doug was really on board until the end of that noted you dub

31:03 fan. What do you make all that? Um, I think it's tough for Steve Belichick to maybe get

31:09 a defensive coordinator job or certainly a head coaching job just because people still

31:14 wonder how much it was him like because he was sharing a defensive coordinator role with

31:20 a guy who the team promoted a head coach, didn't get the head coaching interview and

31:25 got the job right. So that in itself tells you that the Patriots thought that it was

31:29 more Gerard Mayo, maybe not more as the defensive coordinator, but like the better leader, the

31:34 better coach, whatever it was. And then also you've got Bill Belichick involved in that

31:37 defense as well. So yeah, like Steve Belichick was the one calling the plays, but that role

31:41 as defensive coordinator was almost split between three different people. So I can understand

31:46 why a team would say like, yeah, we'd love to have you on board, but you're, you could

31:51 be a linebackers coach or you can be a defensive line coach or you can be whatever it would

31:54 be. Whereas in the college game, you can, he deserved that defensive coordinator job.

31:59 And actually, I mean, I think he probably would have deserved an NFL defensive coordinator

32:03 job. I'm just simply explaining why that might not have been possible for him at this point.

32:09 I think he'll do great as U-Dub's defensive coordinator. It is tough with NIL and recruiting

32:14 and all that different stuff. But just as a pure coach, I think he's going to do a great

32:18 job there. And then, you know, if he does thrive there, then yeah, he probably would

32:22 get NFL defensive coordinator opportunities or college head coaching opportunities or

32:26 whatever it is. But I do think he needs to break from the Patriots to prove himself before

32:30 those opportunities present themselves in the NFL.

32:33 I'm going to co-sign in all that. And I think you can expect Steve Belichick to at least

32:37 try to get back into the NFL soon because again, it is, you know, Joe Ray's sorry if

32:41 I said John, Joe, the college game doesn't seem to be a personality fit for Steve Belichick.

32:48 And so when you look at him, he's looking, okay, the title at a program like this defensive

32:53 coordinator looks great on a resume. And so for him just to stay at that level, because

32:57 technically in New England, yeah, he called plays. He was just the linebackers coach.

33:02 And again, Gerard Mayo ran the meetings. He installed the game plans. He went over the

33:06 scouting reports and then Steve took it over. And Steve's a good coach. I think he'll do

33:09 a very good job schematically, but you have familiarity there. You go outside of the family,

33:13 so to speak. I mean, Jet Fish was only in New England for 10 months. And then you stay

33:17 in a position where you can at least use it as a launching pad elsewhere. And Jet Fish

33:21 as someone who's fit habit of just playing hopscotch all around the country and in college

33:25 football in the NFL is not going to be upset when Steve Belichick leaves in a year or two

33:29 or three, hopefully again on his terms. And I think he'll do a very good job, but it really

33:32 is a lot to do with shadow, the role, the projection, the options available to him.

33:36 And I think honestly, it's not a bad job. It's an A plus job, but I think for Steve

33:40 Belichick, it's a pretty good move.

33:42 Hopefully after a national championship in EW in 2030. All right. Sorry again to Joe

33:48 not on last question from Gary. A longtime listener. Appreciate Gary reaching out here.

33:53 So Gary has some advice. So we're going to skip the advice. Sorry, Gary. Another question.

33:59 Quote, let's say Patriots take a quarterback at number three and I have a crystal ball.

34:04 What is the worst that player can be to still call it a successful pick and justify the

34:09 pick in theoretically, it has to be enough through three seasons given the deadline to

34:13 pick up the fifth year option. Is it Justin Fields? Is Trevor Lawrence a successful pick

34:17 something lower than that? Thanks again. And Gary thinks the donation was a great idea.

34:21 So do I.

34:23 I think it's a guy that you want to keep around if you have another top five to 10 pick in

34:32 three years. So like Justin Fields, I don't think would be a successful pick because now

34:37 the bears are picking number one overall. And it seems like they're probably going to

34:41 trade Justin Fields and take a quarterback, whether that's at number one or trading down.

34:46 Like I do think that it's someone that you need to pick up that fifth year option on

34:50 that after three years, you want to keep working with him and pay that, you know, that high

34:56 salary that comes with a fifth round or the fifth year option. So like Mack Jones on success,

35:03 Justin Fields, not a success, obviously Zach Wilson, but Trevor Lawrence, I think would

35:07 be a success because, yeah, he hasn't been like he hasn't lived up to the potential.

35:10 He hasn't lived up to the hype, but he's absolutely a guy that the Jaguars are going to want to

35:16 keep working with after the season and pick up that fifth year option and see if he can

35:20 keep improving. So I don't know if the bar is Trevor Lawrence. The bar might be a little

35:24 bit lower than Trevor Lawrence. But that's that's I think the bar that you want to pick

35:30 up that fifth year option. And if you don't, if you fail to find a player that you want

35:33 to keep working with in a fifth year to pay that salary, then I think that you have failed

35:37 with taking that quarterback. Yeah, especially number three overall. No doubt. And that's

35:41 the context, right? The higher your pick, the higher the expectations are. That's the

35:44 framework. Justin Fields. Look, was the first round pick when 11th overall, Mack Jones with

35:49 his quarterback taken in that class and look after his rookie year, it looked like the

35:52 second best quarterback by far just behind only Trevor Lawrence, who at that point was

35:56 still a projection. Obviously, we know Trevor Lawrence is a better quarterback and Mac Jones

35:59 is not going to have his fifth year option picked up. My answer is, first of all, agree

36:03 with Doug, you need to want to pick up the fifth year option. Then you go, OK, who are

36:06 the quarterbacks lately who they had their options picked up? And I think about Daniel

36:10 Jones. I'm like, you know what? I that seems that not good enough. But where I land is

36:16 another top three quarterback who had his fifth year option picked up. They still have

36:21 this in place, but it's gone on and been better since then. I'm going to land on Jared Goff.

36:26 You need to be Jared Goff or better, which is not only just to say, OK, the 12th or 14th

36:30 somewhere in that range, 10th or 14th best quarterback in the league. But the downside

36:35 of this is Jared Goff is still a highly dependent player in his environment, which goes for

36:38 most quarterbacks in the world, not just the NFL. But it also says, OK, you can have a

36:43 successful pick. Yeah, but that pick is just as much dependent on the player, his traits,

36:48 his accuracy or leadership as the environment you put around him. Trevor Lawrence is the

36:52 perfect example we just talked about. You're one. What the hell is it? You're two. Oh,

36:58 that's the guy that we drafted. Jared Goff. Same way. You're one. What did we do? Sean

37:02 McVay comes in. We're going to go to the Super Bowl here. And that's what happened. So I

37:06 think you need to be Jared Goff or better. And who knows if that'll happen? Because,

37:09 again, we don't know what the Patriots are going to do around them. But fingers crossed,

37:13 at least for that guy's sake, Michael, I'm back. Right. Tackle a legitimate starter,

37:18 left tackle and some other receivers that make everyone go, oh, they they can actually

37:22 throw the ball. Yeah. And it's it's a real puzzle to try to figure out how they do all

37:26 that. Yeah. How you draft a quarterback. It's not easy. And it's not unique to the Patriots.

37:30 Yeah. And then also get a wide receiver. Also, make sure that you've got a left tackle in

37:33 there. It's tough. They're lucky that this draft is loaded with wide receivers, tackles

37:38 and quarterbacks. But it's almost like they need three top 50 picks to land all those

37:43 guys. So we'll see how they manage to do that. But they definitely do need those all three

37:46 of those positions. You know how they could do that? How? So they trade back. Yeah, yeah.

37:54 We were talking about all the differences. Elliot Wolfin brought back and we end up on

38:00 what if they just do what Bill would do? All right. Now they need to trade up, get killable.

38:04 Yes. That doesn't matter. We talked about this. I was like, have we ever considered

38:06 if we've taken a second to consider that they go up to number one, if the Bears actually

38:10 want to trade that like, I don't know how it would feel, because, again, we just never

38:14 contemplated that until very groggy walking into that press conference this morning going,

38:17 what if they did the opposite? Yeah, it'd be a lot of fun. All right. This has been

38:21 a lot of fun. Glad to have you back. We'll be back later this week. All the rumblings,

38:25 all the whispers, all the rumors, all the crumbs, all the things we picked up and you

38:28 got a little taste. Now you're going to love what we have at the end of the week.

38:31 For Doug, I'm Andrew. Coming up, Brian Sheridan, first guest. Thank you for donating to Boston

38:35 Children's. And again, if you want to be on this podcast, it's very simple. Reply with

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38:46 hopefully not fan bag or mail fan, we'll have something a little spicier, a little smoother

38:51 here. Brian Sheridan from Saugus, Massachusetts, one emailed with a proof of donation to Boston

38:58 Children's as well as a question. We got three or four minutes. Brian, your question was,

39:02 sounded more like a pitch, I think. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it was draft

39:07 Marvin Harrison Jr. up front, get Bo Nix later in the draft, and maybe make an effort to trade

39:13 for Kirk Cousins. A lot's going on there. Pitch me on your idea here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think

39:19 there's some hesitation and fear about getting yourself a top tier quarterback in the first

39:25 round. Sometimes it works. Patrick from home, sometimes it doesn't work. So maybe building

39:30 around an all-star wide receiver as kind of the face of your franchise. He's fantastic with

39:37 Harrison Jr. Get him out there on the streets. And then I was thinking picking up someone in

39:43 the second with their 34th pick, someone like Bo Nix, who's got the ability to sling it, run it,

39:50 do all those different things, and not necessarily put him right off the bat, but maybe go for

39:55 someone like a Kirk Cousins, who's a little more experienced. You can sit behind him for a few

40:00 years. You see sometimes throwing someone kind of in pretty quickly like Mack Jones doesn't always

40:05 go well. So trying to do a multi-phase approach to say, we're not necessarily rebuilding all in

40:12 year one, but getting yourself kind of someone to right the ship with Kirk Cousins, and then getting

40:18 Marvin Harrison Jr. out there, and then Bo Nix to sit behind Cousins for a year or two, much like

40:25 Cousins did behind Favre, and see how that goes. All right. So-

40:31 Brilliant. It sounds like you want to have your cake, you want to eat it too, and then you want

40:35 to get a second slice, and then contemplate whether you want to trade it for Kirk Cousins.

40:38 I get that right. Yes, sir. Lots of cake out there in the ether. I mean, you're telling me they got

40:43 a lot of money. I hear it every time I'm listening to you, right? They got money to burn. So working

40:48 through how we can get Cousins there while also picking up some drafts. It's exciting to have a

40:52 top five pick for the Patriots, right? That hasn't happened in a long time. I mean, you had to watch

40:58 a terrible season for it to happen, but let's do something fun with it. Yeah. All right. Well,

41:04 I'm on the record saying I'm not a fan of the idea of drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. with the third

41:08 pick. And it's only because I look at their best options. He's either taking a quarterback up

41:12 there, Jaden Daniels or Drake Mayne most likely, or trade back, where I think you could still get

41:16 a high caliber receiver, Romu Dounze, obviously from Washington. I mocked Lad McConkie last

41:21 episode, early second round, because I think you either get the quarterback who's going to have

41:26 all of the value that brings that position if you get it right, or the value in players that is good

41:32 as Marvin Harrison Jr. is. And he's excellent. It's hard to imagine him functioning in this kind

41:36 of an offense with so many needs. But the Kirk Cousins idea, I'm not going to dismiss out of

41:41 hand. It would cost a lot. The Achilles is this kind of confounding variable, right? But even if

41:46 his timeline doesn't align exactly, you get a decent enough offense around him. Again, fixing

41:51 the offensive line, you got money spent for agency. You're in the wildcard mix. If he's healthy at

41:55 least early enough in the season, it's a big if, you're back in there. That solves a lot of

41:59 problems. - Yeah. All right. Well, I appreciate that. So working with some of what I'm thinking,

42:05 so you're not as big as Harrison Jr. up front fan, but more of a, I mean, I would love a great

42:11 quarterback. I know just there can be so hit or miss in the first, but yeah, going all in on

42:15 someone early and kind of building around them, would you start them kind of right off the bat?

42:20 Or do you think picking up that Cousins and having that top quarterback there kind of sitting for a

42:27 year or two as they learn behind Cousins? - Well, it's funny, 'cause when we got to talk

42:31 to Elliot Wolfe today at the Combine, someone, not a Patriots supporter, asked him, "Hey,

42:35 how have the Packers done so well with all their quarterbacks? Do they keep getting it right?"

42:39 He just goes, "Luck. Just let it sit. Let it hang there." And then he explained, obviously it's a

42:45 scouting process. It's where he comes from in Green Bay, but also the fact that they were

42:49 fortunate enough to let Jordan Love sit behind Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers sit behind Brett,

42:53 what'd you call it, Favre? - Favre, yeah.

42:55 - Favre, okay. So look, I think it depends on the situation. There's no blanket answer to this,

43:01 right? Peyton Manning had one of the worst rookie seasons by a quarterback in NFL history. That

43:05 interception record is gonna stand forever, but he became Peyton Manning. He was Peyton Manning. So

43:12 I think if you are gonna start him off the bat, you need to protect them. That's a slippery slope,

43:16 the fastest way down to breaking a quarterback. We all watched it last year. So look, if you trade

43:20 for Kirk Cousins, he's not gonna sit. But I think you're at least pushing back your timeline for

43:24 that franchise quarterback if you don't like them, which is really the big question here at the top.

43:27 Do you like Jaden Daniels or Drake May? Have you watched any of them?

43:29 - I've watched a little bit of May, yeah. I mean, Daniel's kind of, everyone's been chatting

43:34 around. May, I didn't know as much, so I did a little kind of looking around at him. I mean,

43:39 I like them for sure. I think what got me excited about Harrison Jr. is having someone with a talent

43:46 that's kind of sitting there and you build the quarterback, you bring in quarterbacks and let

43:51 them build up and know that there's gonna be a weapon. 'Cause watching the attempted throws and

43:57 watching our wide receiver core, and you're just like, man, that was rough. But no, big fan of

44:02 Drake May. I mean, if we went that route, I would not be an unhappy gentleman at all. I think that

44:08 would be exciting as well. And just the fear of putting out that rookie there and sometimes they

44:14 do well and sometimes they get hammered and don't do well. So trying to figure out how can we take

44:18 advantage of one of those top tier picks while also having a backup strategy like a Kirk Cousins,

44:24 not necessarily like the Jets with picking up Aaron Rodgers and putting it all on him,

44:30 but getting someone who can really right the ship and get you into the wild card area conversation

44:37 while also building up that quarterback behind you. I mean, if it was Drake May behind him,

44:41 that would be even that much more exciting. So yeah, I appreciate you letting me come on here

44:47 and pitch my ideas to you. Hopefully, not that it's gonna have any impact 'cause definitely no

44:53 one's listening to me, but it'd be really interesting to kind of see what they're doing.

44:56 And you're getting the first peek at the combine right now. - Well, definitely, man. I appreciate

45:00 you donating to Boston Children's. Again, you're talking about rookie quarterbacks. I don't have

45:03 kids. I don't know if you do, but it feels like you just kind of let them go and run or ride the

45:08 bike the first year or two and just see what happens. And it's a little scary, but that's the

45:11 only way they learn. That's the only way you get better and grow. And this segment was inspired by

45:16 trying to give money back to kids who right now don't have a chance to do that 'cause hopefully

45:19 they're just hitting pause on their journey of growth, but they're at Boston Children's and your

45:23 money, like my money, all the money that's been donated over the years through this podcast or

45:27 otherwise really helps. So if anyone else wants to be like, "Brian, come on the podcast, have your

45:31 cake, eat it too, order seconds, let's get multiple quarterbacks in here right away and just chat

45:36 about the Pats," tweet at me, email me like Brian did with a donation, a receipt of that, and we'll

45:41 have you on next week. Thanks so much, Brian. - All right. I appreciate it, Andrew. Love listening

45:45 to you and looking forward to seeing this and seeing what other fun things you release in the

45:49 near future. - Appreciate you.

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