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On today's episode of The Big 3 Podcast, A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn and Kwani Lunis discuss the biggest stories around the Celtics right now, including the acquisition of Xavier Tillman from the Grizzlies and Jaden Springer from the Sixers - and how they will fit on this team. Plus, the bench is providing much more than anticipated lately, how big of a role will the Celtics' depth play as the season goes on?
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00:28 I'm Kwanye Lunas, A'Sharod Blakely is here,
00:31 as well as Gary Washburn.
00:33 I'm wearing bright pink.
00:35 I look very-- - We know, Kwanye, we know.
00:37 - For this event, if you're watching.
00:40 Well, you gotta--
00:42 - I'm wearing blue.
00:43 - Some people listen, some people watch on YouTube.
00:46 So I need to address that I'm overdressed,
00:49 'cause I was at an event and I didn't feel like changing,
00:51 'cause the dress needs to get some more wear out of it.
00:54 So hence why I needed to make sure
00:57 that people don't think I'm just trying to outshine you guys.
01:00 - Kwanye, that person that, she'll put on an outfit
01:02 for like a 22 minute event and she'll wear it all day.
01:06 - No, but seriously, because why am I not,
01:08 like look at this, you see the shimmer?
01:10 It even has-- - Kwanye rolling up
01:12 your fast food joints, "See my shimmer, see my shimmer?"
01:15 - Wait, wait, wait, that's--
01:17 - I'm getting my money's worth out of this dress.
01:19 - That was a really good read, to be honest,
01:21 because that is very accurate.
01:23 - Facts. - So, we thank you.
01:26 Anyway, let's get into the Celtics.
01:28 - Gary's like, "Y'all ready?"
01:30 - Yeah, look, another week, another week of Gary
01:33 questioning why he is a member of the big three.
01:36 - Why?
01:37 - We need you to keep us stable and sane, I guess.
01:40 So let's get into it. - Yeah, let's do,
01:44 yeah, let's move on with the show.
01:46 - The Celtics, the trade deadline hit us on Thursday
01:51 at three o'clock and the Celtics made a few moves,
01:54 nothing too crazy, but we'll just start off the top.
01:57 We're gonna actually just mention the first one off the top
01:59 because we're not gonna really deep dive into it.
02:02 So, Banton, he was traded to--
02:07 - Portland. - Portland.
02:08 That was Gary's guy.
02:09 - Right, Portland, yes, it is.
02:11 - Oh my God, yeah, okay.
02:12 (laughing)
02:14 - Yikes, the Celtics are gonna actually receive
02:17 a top 55 protected 2027 second round pick
02:21 in exchange for him.
02:23 And then the Celtics are actually giving up
02:25 a 2024 second round pick to Philly for that move as well.
02:29 But the first one that we wanna actually start diving into
02:32 is the fact that the Celtics did acquire,
02:33 that's probably the biggest one of the three,
02:36 Xavier Tillman from Memphis,
02:38 and in exchange, Lamar Stevens, as well as a 2027
02:42 and a 20, it's so weird saying 2027, a 2030 second round
02:47 pick, so quickly fill in the lane.
02:50 Let's start off the top.
02:52 Blank is what the Celtics should expect from Tillman
02:57 in this new deal.
02:59 - Toughness. - Toughness.
03:01 - They got somebody on that bench
03:04 that there's no questions about their toughness.
03:07 Now, is he gonna get you buckets?
03:09 Not too many, but he's gonna give you a physicality
03:12 that you absolutely are going to need at some point
03:16 during the playoffs.
03:17 You're not gonna need him to play every game,
03:18 but there are gonna be some nights
03:19 where you're going to need someone
03:21 who's gonna step out on that floor
03:22 and just give you a certain physical,
03:25 grimy grittiness in that front court,
03:27 and Tillman, he fits the bill.
03:29 He is a situational specialist for the Celtics.
03:34 He's not good enough to be in their regular rotation,
03:36 certainly not right now,
03:37 but there are going to be certain matchups
03:39 where his presence and his value will be counted upon
03:42 to help them get through that game.
03:44 - I think the Celtics can expect just versatility.
03:49 He can guard, he can even shoot the three.
03:52 He's not very good.
03:53 He can get like 20 seconds in.
03:55 - He sucks.
03:56 - But he has turned himself into a three-pointer.
04:01 It's not like he won't take one.
04:03 He can score at the rim.
04:05 He's an undersized guy, 6'8", 245,
04:07 but he plays bigger than his size,
04:09 but I think he'll provide relief
04:11 to what Porzingis and Al.
04:14 I think the Celtics realize, okay,
04:15 like 51 games in, entering the game against Washington,
04:20 31 games left.
04:25 You have to, they've gotten as much out of Porzingis.
04:29 He's maximized, he's done great.
04:33 He's really, you know, he's seen potential,
04:35 but you also want to keep him healthy.
04:38 You also want to make sure that he's ready for the playoffs,
04:41 ready to play every game.
04:42 And the last 31 games,
04:44 I think they're going to hopefully,
04:46 for them, build enough of a lead for that number one seed
04:48 to where they don't have to risk it
04:50 till like the last 10 or 12 games.
04:52 They can maybe give Porzingis a good break.
04:56 And I'm saying with Al Horford,
04:57 because obviously Al's 37.
04:59 And so I think it's a really good time now
05:02 because you got games Friday and Sunday,
05:05 and you got the back-to-back.
05:06 They'll figure that out against Brooklyn,
05:08 but then you got a week off.
05:09 So everybody takes some time off their feet,
05:11 and then you get back to the grind.
05:13 But I think Tillman will be a guy
05:16 who can fill in for Al, fill in for Chris Steps,
05:19 you know, and, you know, with Luke, I don't know.
05:24 You know, I think they'll figure out.
05:26 Maybe they play him together at times.
05:28 Who knows?
05:29 I mean, Luke has carved out a niche.
05:30 You know, he's carved out some minutes.
05:33 So who knows if they'll play him together,
05:36 if he'll just take Luke's minutes,
05:38 if he'll take Keita's minutes.
05:39 I don't know.
05:40 I think this kind of means
05:41 they're gonna keep Keita, you know,
05:44 off the playoff roster on a two-way deal.
05:46 I kind of thought he deserved a little bit more than that,
05:49 but we'll see what Tillman does.
05:51 But I think he brings relief
05:52 because you got an injury-prone guy
05:55 and a 37-year-old guy as your top two bigs.
05:57 And that was their primary weakness.
06:00 You don't want to give Cornette too many minutes, right?
06:04 He does what he does.
06:05 You want to put him in, you want to bring him out.
06:08 So I think this is a guy who's a pro.
06:10 He's played in big games.
06:12 He's turned himself into a quality player.
06:14 He played four years at Michigan State.
06:17 I mean, so he's well-coached, obviously,
06:20 all the way from, you know, those days with Tom Izzo.
06:23 This is a pro's pro, right?
06:25 And that's what you need.
06:26 You need a guy in there who's been around.
06:28 I mean, he's been around a lot of drama in Memphis,
06:30 a lot of things in Memphis.
06:32 And now he's probably around a little bit more
06:34 of an atmosphere that championship is on the mind.
06:39 And he helped those young guys grow
06:42 and was part of that growth in Memphis.
06:44 So I think he comes in, probably, you know,
06:47 guys put their arm around him,
06:48 "Hey man, just be good.
06:49 Just learn to be good.
06:51 Just learn the system.
06:53 Play as hard as you can, you'll be fine."
06:55 - The one thing he brings to this table,
06:58 I'll just add this one last point,
06:59 is he gives them another ball mover in the front court.
07:03 He's not going to rack up eight, nine, 10 assists,
07:05 but he's very good at moving the ball to guys
07:09 and getting it to them in positions
07:11 where they can either make a play
07:12 or they can make a move, dribble, drive, move,
07:14 and find someone else wide open.
07:16 So they added a guy who doesn't necessarily score,
07:19 but he can contribute to good ball movement
07:21 and that's good scoring.
07:23 So, you know, in many ways, Gary,
07:25 you touched on it, you know, his background.
07:27 He really is, in a lot of ways,
07:29 kind of like a low budget, Raymond Green.
07:32 Similar size, plays bigger than he is, can move the ball.
07:35 - That's right, that's right.
07:36 Don't do that.
07:37 Don't do that.
07:38 - What?
07:39 What?
07:40 You're like, "Raymond is not..."
07:41 Listen.
07:42 - You got to set up the fan tomorrow.
07:43 He's going to be slapping foods and socking teammates.
07:47 Like, no, no.
07:48 - I'm talking about skill.
07:49 - On the floor, on the floor, not off the floor.
07:53 - Gary.
07:53 - Not getting texts.
07:54 - Everything I'm talking about.
07:57 - Sherrod, that's a loaded ass statement.
07:59 - Everything I'm talking about with him is...
08:02 - I say, he like Draymond Green, but he low budget.
08:05 But he, so he ain't as good as Draymond.
08:07 Is he going to be still slapping fools?
08:09 Like, no.
08:10 - In the 5,000th offensive.
08:11 - See, this is why...
08:13 - I'm just saying, you can't make that statement.
08:16 - You totally can make...
08:18 Gary, ball mover, undersized,
08:21 plays bigger than his actual dimensions are,
08:25 understands what it's like to be around drama.
08:28 Is a guy that can fit into almost any team you have
08:31 based upon his skill set.
08:32 That's what he...
08:34 - Okay.
08:35 - Those are all the things that Draymond
08:37 has been doing for his entire career.
08:38 - I'm not talking about...
08:39 - No, I'm not.
08:40 - See, to this point...
08:41 - Draymond without the violence.
08:43 - Draymond with no drama.
08:45 How's that?
08:45 That work for you?
08:46 - There you go.
08:47 - Draymond, no drama.
08:48 He's a no drama Draymond.
08:50 How's that?
08:51 - Exactly.
08:51 - That work for you?
08:52 - Yes.
08:53 Can't be talking about...
08:54 He's low budget, he's selling the crazy gear.
08:58 - He's like, no thank you, baby.
08:59 - Damn, he's a good player.
09:01 - He's going to practice too?
09:03 Like, no.
09:05 - No, you ain't got to worry about him punching like,
09:07 like Peyton Pritchard in the grill.
09:09 - Right, like who's gonna...
09:09 - He's gonna put Rudy Gobert in a headlock.
09:12 Like, you gotta be...
09:15 You need to explain that, Sherrod.
09:17 You can't just be saying...
09:18 - Okay, well, I think this instance is a very niche one
09:22 because Draymond just happens to have a lot of other issues.
09:26 I think most people understood it meant on the floor.
09:29 - On the floor.
09:31 - See, who don't?
09:32 But now I'm questioning it because he said it happened.
09:34 - No one would even question that
09:36 if it wasn't for Mr. Cal Covey over here.
09:38 - (laughs) Not Cal Covey.
09:40 - My goodness.
09:41 Keep it moving, Coyne.
09:42 - At least we're clarified.
09:44 All right, that being said,
09:46 you mentioned the things that he brings to the table
09:49 for this team, scoring obviously one of them,
09:52 but what are your thoughts on his chances
09:53 of actually playing a significant role
09:56 for the Celtics right now?
09:58 - Go ahead, Gary.
09:59 - What's the question again?
10:02 - They need a playmate.
10:03 I got lost in the Draymond thing.
10:05 - No, it's funny though,
10:06 because when you said the Draymond thing,
10:07 the first thing I thought of was like the fact
10:09 that we've been talking about since Marcus was traded,
10:12 like they don't have anyone with that grit,
10:13 that dog, that energy.
10:15 So-
10:15 - He does have that.
10:16 - That's what I'm thinking about, Coyne,
10:17 but that's not what Gary was thinking about, clearly.
10:20 - So this is what I was thinking.
10:21 And that being said, do you think this, again,
10:24 no one, we know no one's gonna replace Marcus Smart.
10:28 Gary did a really good job of explaining
10:30 why he has cemented himself into Celtics history,
10:33 but they do still have that gap that needs to be filled
10:36 when it comes to someone with that grit.
10:38 So can Xavier potentially-
10:40 - Totally.
10:41 He can fill that role.
10:42 He's a tough guy.
10:43 He's a shit talker.
10:44 He can put it, he can back it up with beef.
10:47 I mean, he's a dude, you don't,
10:50 these are fathers who say,
10:53 you don't wanna see that dude in a dark alley.
10:55 - Look.
10:56 - He's got that-
10:57 - Don't smoke, please.
10:58 - I know young people,
10:59 "Why would you be in a dark alley?
11:00 What does that mean?"
11:01 You know?
11:03 - Alley still exists, Gary.
11:04 Don't do that.
11:05 - Okay, I'm just saying,
11:06 'cause if you say that, people,
11:07 "Well, what does that mean?
11:08 I'm not sure what a dark,
11:09 why would that, what does that,
11:10 does it mean you're tough?"
11:12 - Did the fluorescent light go out or something?
11:13 - Yeah, exactly.
11:14 - It's more about a-
11:15 - Exactly.
11:16 So as our parents would say,
11:18 "You don't wanna see that dude in a dark alley."
11:20 Okay?
11:21 Tillman brings toughness.
11:23 He brings a level of physicality.
11:26 That dude is not to be messed with.
11:29 He walks into a room,
11:31 'cause I was telling our young reporter,
11:34 Soichiro Terada,
11:35 who went to Michigan State,
11:38 was two years older than Tillman.
11:42 Like, could you believe when you saw that dude on camera,
11:45 that dude was in college?
11:46 'Cause Tillman looks older than he is.
11:49 I mean, he looks,
11:51 he looked like, you know,
11:52 he looked like he'd been through some stuff.
11:54 - He seemed dark alley.
11:55 - He came into the NBA looking like
11:57 he was already in the-
11:58 - A ten-year veteran, yeah.
12:00 Like, he looked, you know,
12:02 and Draymond's the same way,
12:04 so maybe it's a Michigan State thing.
12:05 - Michigan, what's in the waters?
12:06 - I don't know what the water is in East Lansing,
12:09 but, you know,
12:10 but he brings kind of a physicality, a toughness,
12:14 and I think that the Celtics will let him be that guy
12:17 and let him lay some hat,
12:19 because you do need somebody to get in somebody's face.
12:21 This is, the games are gonna get tougher,
12:24 and the playoffs are gonna approach,
12:25 and now, we'll talk about that later,
12:27 other teams are ramping up, you know,
12:30 they're coming at the Celtics, the Knicks,
12:32 you know, we'll see about, you know,
12:34 the Cavs are the hottest team in the NBA,
12:37 like, so there's a lot of teams who are ramping up
12:39 and ready to push the Celtics physically,
12:42 because you know,
12:43 that's the way you're gonna have to beat the Celtics,
12:46 is be physical with them, push them around, frustrate them.
12:50 Miami's gonna be that same way,
12:52 and Tillman will help that cause,
12:54 because now you got a tough guy on your side,
12:56 because remember, they also lost Grant,
12:59 and as much as people will talk mess about Grant,
13:01 who he also got traded today,
13:03 hopefully he's happy back in Charlotte,
13:05 we'll see how that goes.
13:06 Grant was a guy who could get in your face, talk mess,
13:10 and he didn't back down either,
13:12 and a lot of people had a problem with that,
13:14 when he went up against Jimmy Butler in game two,
13:17 at least conference finals,
13:18 I'd have never had a problem with that,
13:19 I always thought Grant was another tough guy.
13:23 So, you do need a guy who's gonna just be like,
13:26 "What'd you say?"
13:28 Or lay some wood, somebody in the paint,
13:32 Trey Young, no, you're not coming in here
13:33 with this little stuff,
13:34 you're getting knocked to the floor,
13:36 you're getting put down.
13:38 And that's what they need in Xavier Tillman,
13:43 that's what I think he brings,
13:44 I've seen him over the years,
13:47 he just has that tough,
13:49 he fit Memphis to a T,
13:50 I'm a little surprised the Grizzlies traded him,
13:53 and I think they're cleaning house,
13:55 they're preparing to get a high lottery pick,
13:58 'cause now they're terrible,
13:59 and they're injured,
14:01 to throw in, I just think they saw,
14:03 okay, let's get a couple of assets for this guy,
14:06 he doesn't make a lot of money,
14:08 they traded Steven Adams,
14:10 so they're ramping up for a kind of a rebuild,
14:14 and to add one of those top level picks,
14:18 top two, three picks maybe,
14:20 to what they have,
14:21 but he fit Memphis to a T,
14:23 and I think that's a good thing for the Celtics.
14:26 - Yeah, I mean, it's the perfect storm for both him,
14:30 the Celtics, and their quest to be the last team standing,
14:34 they needed a guy that has,
14:37 not someone who kind of plays the physicality game,
14:40 but their DNA is all about physicality,
14:44 and he's that dude,
14:45 to me, it's crazy to think that this dude
14:47 is just 25 years old,
14:48 looking like he's been in the league for 25 years,
14:51 he's that kind of dude,
14:53 and I love that,
14:53 they need that type of player
14:56 that has that physical presence about them,
14:58 that when you step on the floor,
15:00 you are not,
15:02 you don't want any of that smoke from him,
15:04 because you know,
15:06 just the way he plays,
15:08 he can put you out for,
15:09 it can be lights out,
15:11 bye-bye, for the night,
15:12 if you wanna go there,
15:14 and I think the Celtics,
15:15 they need to be a team that has some element of toughness
15:20 that teams have to at least think about,
15:22 'cause right now,
15:23 you look at them play,
15:24 it's like, okay,
15:25 they're really,
15:26 they got great shooters,
15:27 they move well without the ball,
15:29 but if you get up in them and you get physical,
15:31 you can take them off their game,
15:33 they really don't have guys that,
15:35 frankly, are about that life,
15:36 that physical life,
15:38 I would say Jalen Brown is probably the best one
15:40 who likes to play bully ball,
15:42 Jalen, when he sees that he's got a little dude on him,
15:44 or a guy that he thinks he can play bully ball with,
15:46 Jalen will go at him,
15:47 more times than not,
15:49 but other than that,
15:50 they don't really have guys with that mindset,
15:52 Tillman gives them that type of physicality
15:54 on the defensive end,
15:55 which is where I think they could use a guy
15:57 in that front court,
15:59 that can bring the wood,
16:01 and not be hesitant to do that,
16:05 so, and again,
16:08 as Gary pointed out,
16:09 he doesn't make a lot of money,
16:11 which translates to he's low on your budget,
16:14 there you go,
16:17 this is a guy that you could conceivably see
16:19 paying to stay,
16:21 and not have to pay a lot of money to keep him to stay,
16:23 if things work out,
16:24 and that's, to me,
16:25 that's one of the low key benefits
16:28 to adding a guy that gives you a very specific need now,
16:31 doesn't cost a lot of money,
16:33 and is in a position where if things work out this season,
16:37 you could potentially keep him in the fold going forward,
16:39 so, win, win, win for everybody,
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17:23 - Gary, you mentioned Grant Williams,
17:26 we have another Charlotte/Tennessee connection,
17:30 Jaden Springer, he was acquired by the Celtics from Philly,
17:34 for a second round pick,
17:35 which I don't know if they,
17:36 they definitely didn't overlap in Tennessee,
17:38 I don't know if they know each other,
17:39 I just thought it was a really cool connection.
17:41 Yeah, I would imagine, right,
17:43 Charlotte's not that big,
17:44 that area of Charlotte shouldn't be that big,
17:46 but that being said,
17:47 Jaden Springer, he is now on the Celtics as well,
17:51 G League Finals MVP last season,
17:53 4 points, 1.8 rebounds, 1.1 assists per game that season,
17:58 pick and roll, acquiring Springer is for the now,
18:02 or for the future?
18:04 Pick one, why are you rolling with it?
18:06 - Which one you got, Gary?
18:07 - I think it's for the future,
18:09 I do think it's a guy that they can invest in,
18:11 and it's interesting that the 76ers traded,
18:16 you know, he's 21 years old,
18:19 I mean, my--
18:19 ♪ I believe the children are our future ♪
18:22 - Okay, Whitney.
18:23 - Oh gosh, oh gosh.
18:27 - Gary, Gary, she even got the dress on for it.
18:30 (laughing)
18:31 - Get a microphone.
18:32 - She dressed for the song, gee.
18:35 - Quantie act like it was 1996 Grammy's.
18:40 - And Bobby Brown was right around the corner.
18:42 - Bobby Brown, I love that girl.
18:45 - Oh my God, what's wrong with y'all?
18:47 - That's my woman.
18:48 - What's wrong with y'all?
18:49 - That's my woman.
18:50 - What's wrong with y'all, I can't.
18:53 Anyway.
18:54 - You were saying, Gary.
18:56 - Springer is 21 years old, so I mean,
18:59 he's a young dude, born in '02, Quantie,
19:04 so if that doesn't--
19:05 - No, 'cause it's weird, 'cause my brother was born in '03,
19:08 like that's why.
19:09 - Wait, if that don't put a little reality in your world,
19:13 '02, and he was, I was,
19:18 and so I was got a first round pick,
19:20 and I think what Brad Stevens told me over the last,
19:25 before the season started, when he had picked up Bantam,
19:27 he had picked up Stevens, he said,
19:30 "When you trade your first round picks like they have,
19:32 you have to pick up other guys,
19:36 maybe projects and all that,
19:39 and try to cultivate them yourself to replace those picks."
19:43 So basically, I mean, he was a first round pick
19:46 almost three years ago in '21,
19:48 probably came out a tad bit too early,
19:51 you know, a lot of these kids,
19:52 and he hasn't played all that much,
19:55 two games in his first year, 16 last year, 30,
19:59 so he's been really slow to develop,
20:02 and I don't think that's because of him,
20:06 I think that's because of the system in Philadelphia
20:09 and the coaching changes,
20:10 he just hasn't had a lot of run,
20:13 and I was told last year, like,
20:14 Doc Rivers just didn't play him,
20:17 and Doc is not high on young guys,
20:19 so I think he saw this year as an opportunity to play more,
20:23 and he played a little bit more, 32 games, 12 minutes a game,
20:26 four points, 21% from three,
20:29 so he didn't take a lot of threes,
20:31 but they need to see what they have in him,
20:36 and so I think this is definitely for the future,
20:39 if you're expecting Jaden Springer at 21 years old
20:42 to come out and play major minutes,
20:44 that's not gonna happen,
20:45 but I do think he's a guy that they can cultivate,
20:48 they can fill with the bench, on the end of the bench,
20:51 he might be able to help out here and there,
20:53 he can fill some minutes,
20:54 and you know, if I'm, you know,
20:58 they're calling him kind of a wingie, 6'4", 204,
21:02 I mean, he looks, he's built,
21:04 I mean, he's a tough guy, he plays good defense,
21:08 so I think this is a nice little pickup for him,
21:11 I think this is a chance for Brad to say,
21:14 "Listen, Joe, this is a guy," and Sam Cassell,
21:18 you know, and Sam Cassell probably,
21:20 who coached him last year in Philadelphia,
21:22 remember the connection there,
21:23 probably said, "Man, go get that kid,
21:25 that kid got some potential,"
21:27 you know, he's only 21, and that's good,
21:29 I mean, that's a good thing, he's a young rookie,
21:33 and you know, that's the one thing about the NBA,
21:35 and Sherrod knows, and you go, Quanie,
21:38 some of these kids come in too damn early,
21:40 they ain't freaking ready, they just ain't,
21:42 and it takes three, four years for the light to turn off,
21:45 and then to become a productive NBA player.
21:47 Jayden Springer probably should not have entered the draft
21:51 after his freshman year at Tennessee,
21:52 and he averaged 12 points a game,
21:54 he should have stayed his ass in school,
21:56 probably made some more NIL money,
21:59 and then came out and been a,
22:02 but if they're telling you, and he was,
22:04 that you're a first-round pick,
22:05 and you're gonna get three guaranteed years,
22:07 that speaks volumes to a lot of these guys that come out,
22:12 so this is a guy who probably needs more cultivation,
22:15 I don't know if they're gonna send him to the G League,
22:17 he spent a lot of time in the G League
22:19 in his first three years,
22:20 but maybe just looking for an opportunity to flourish,
22:24 and Philadelphia, it probably wasn't gonna happen for him,
22:28 so now the Celtics have a first-round pick on their team,
22:31 in addition to Peyton Prichard,
22:33 in addition to some of the guys they've taken,
22:35 that's how you gotta fill these spots,
22:36 I remember that stuck with me when Stevens told me that,
22:40 hey, that's why they went and got Delano Banton,
22:43 who's now obviously moved on,
22:45 maybe they just thought, you know what,
22:47 we'll take more of a flyer on Springer,
22:49 who can fill a need than Banton,
22:51 who might be still a ways away,
22:54 so I think this is definitely for the future,
22:57 our future, let them lead the way, Juani,
23:00 give them a sense of pride.
23:05 (laughing)
23:07 - To make it easier.
23:09 (laughing)
23:10 - Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be.
23:13 - Used to be.
23:14 - Word.
23:14 - I decided long ago--
23:17 - So now Reverend Gary Washburn is in the building now.
23:19 - I decided long ago never to walk in anybody's shadow,
23:22 so I felt if I succeed, at least I did what I believed,
23:24 go ahead.
23:25 - I love that song.
23:26 - So now Reverend Washburn is in the building now.
23:28 - Exactly, Juani got me on "Greatest Love of All."
23:32 - I mean, that song is just--
23:34 - It's infectious.
23:36 - It is, that's my girl.
23:38 - She's fine.
23:39 - Find a cure.
23:40 - Now you know.
23:41 Anyway.
23:42 - Here's the thing about Jaden,
23:45 I think the plan is to have him be part of the future
23:49 going forward, but it shouldn't shock anyone
23:53 if he becomes one of the guys that's in that,
23:56 in case of an emergency, crack this guy open
23:58 and get him in the lineup type of guy,
24:00 particularly when they play Philadelphia,
24:02 because remember, Tyrese Maxey is pretty much the guy
24:06 that Philly is going to be leaning on heavily.
24:09 And you're bringing in a guy who has been around Maxey
24:13 all year long.
24:13 He probably knows Tyrese Maxey better than any scouting
24:16 report that the South are gonna be able to put together.
24:18 Now, do you begin the game with him?
24:19 No, but he becomes one of those guys that you rotate in
24:23 to the mix to defend him and try to keep him
24:26 from having a big game or having a big series
24:28 if you see them in the playoffs.
24:29 So I think the plan absolutely is for him to be part
24:32 of your future, because I think when you look at him
24:35 physically, he's got the type of tools and dimensions
24:38 that you could see him in the Bradstead, or excuse me,
24:40 in a Joe Mazzuolo coach system,
24:44 emerging as a really good defender.
24:47 But he might fast track that because in certain matchups,
24:51 he might be able to make an impact sooner rather than later.
24:54 So I like the fact that they didn't really give up much,
24:57 if anything, to get him.
24:59 And this is a guy that has tremendous upside.
25:01 And as Gary pointed out, he's one of the many youngers
25:04 who missed the NIL train just as he was pulling up
25:09 to the station, 'cause I'm convinced he's one of those guys
25:11 that if those options were available to him
25:15 when he was at Tennessee, he wouldn't have came out
25:17 because he would have looked at this like,
25:19 "Damn, I'm getting 12 points, but I'm getting like
25:21 "seven figures for just doing what I do.
25:23 "Or I can go to the NBA, then they bounce me around
25:26 "in the G League maybe, and I don't get no burn,
25:29 "and I can get all the burn right here in college
25:31 "and get paid."
25:33 That's what, I mean, like people look at Angel Reese
25:37 when she was talking about how,
25:38 "I might be better off staying in college
25:40 "and getting this bank."
25:41 - She's losing her life.
25:43 I haven't even seen that amount of money yet.
25:45 - Yeah, she was speaking some facts.
25:48 I was saying to Kaitlin Clark, who, I mean, she,
25:51 again, another one who, I mean,
25:53 see her in the commercial with Reggie Miller
25:56 and with Jimmy Butler and I'm just like,
25:59 "Wait a minute."
25:59 - Yeah, fact-checking her, like, "Is she good?"
26:02 - Get that check, not hating on that at all.
26:04 But with Jaden, he's just, he came out too early,
26:09 came out way too early.
26:13 And this is a chance for him to potentially get on track
26:17 and potentially recoup some of those lost funds
26:20 that I think he left on the table by coming out early.
26:23 A lot of these players, they take that short money,
26:25 which looks great when you come from the neighborhoods
26:27 that many of them come from, many of us come from.
26:29 It looks great, but it typically costs you down the road
26:34 because that short money doesn't become that big money
26:37 the way it could be, because you've started off
26:41 at a lesser starting point,
26:44 and thus it takes you longer to get to the big dollars.
26:46 So, and get opportunities to get the big money.
26:50 So this, for Jaden, this is a perfect situation.
26:52 You're with a team, an organization that has a track record
26:55 of developing young players,
26:57 has a championship caliber mindset.
27:00 And for him, I mean, you really can't find
27:02 a better situation for a young guy
27:04 who wasn't gonna be playing much to begin with, so.
27:09 - I have an inside, like, inside baseball,
27:13 inside basketball, I like follow-up.
27:15 You mentioned Jaden Springer and obviously him
27:17 being familiar with the Sixers
27:20 and the way that they do things,
27:22 and obviously Tyrese Maxey, whatever the case may be,
27:24 but, and maybe I'm just completely naive
27:28 and not ever really diving into this,
27:31 but what is there actually an unspoken or a spoken rule
27:35 about when you get traded mid-season,
27:38 how your, what kind of information you give
27:45 or share with your new coaches?
27:47 - Or with your new team?
27:48 - Anything you want.
27:50 - Okay, I don't know, I've thought about this in the past,
27:53 but I've never actually asked it out loud.
27:55 Like, there's no like NDA of like, all right,
27:57 well, you can't talk about Missoula's system
28:01 and how he'd work, you know, like, I don't know,
28:03 just random.
28:04 - Anything, everything is open because at that point,
28:07 you are no longer an employee.
28:09 It's not like if you worked at, let's say, IBM
28:11 and then you went to work at Google
28:13 where you may very well have like an NDA.
28:15 - Oh, they definitely have, yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:16 Yeah, nah, it ain't that kind of game.
28:19 'Cause at the end of the day with the NBA,
28:21 you can know everything I'm gonna do.
28:24 I still could beat you by 30.
28:25 - And like, it's not like football where you have,
28:27 you know, there's different, you know,
28:28 playbooks and all that, but yeah.
28:30 - I mean, that's my understanding
28:31 that when players get traded that, you know,
28:33 if let's say they're playing their former team
28:35 soon after that, the coaching staff of their new team
28:39 will ask them, you know, is there anything
28:40 in this kind of report that we missed?
28:42 - What do you know about Joel Embiid?
28:44 - Yeah, I mean, 'cause, you know,
28:47 that's the one time when snitching is a good thing, right?
28:50 - Yeah.
28:51 - Yeah, you definitely give whatever information you know.
28:56 So he'll have all of what Philly's doing, I'm sure.
29:01 And I'm sure the Celtics will appreciate that.
29:03 And other guys will go leave Boston,
29:05 will go to other places and give what they know.
29:08 So yeah, I think it's fair game.
29:12 You trade a guy, that's what happens.
29:14 You might have to change the-
29:15 - I'm snitching on you, you trade me.
29:16 I'm snitching, I'm telling everything I know.
29:18 - If you go to a team that's a championship contender,
29:21 of course I'm snitching.
29:22 What do you want me to tell you?
29:24 I got receipts.
29:25 - Q-size, favorite gummy bears,
29:29 tell me what you want to know.
29:30 I know it, I got you.
29:32 - What gum should we put in their locker room
29:33 to make Embiid upset?
29:35 - Exactly.
29:36 What triggers now?
29:37 I'm gonna tell you the trigger.
29:39 I'm gonna tell you the trigger.
29:40 - It'll be in the arena.
29:44 - All right, moving on, the Celtics,
29:45 the most recent game that they had,
29:47 they played the Clippers, 125-117, Celtics win.
29:51 - They played the Hawks.
29:52 - Hawks.
29:53 - All right, what did I just say?
29:54 - The Clippers.
29:55 - I don't know why did I say Clippers.
29:57 Don't mind me.
29:58 I know they played Atlanta.
29:59 Lauren was in town, I hung out with her.
30:02 - You know what it is?
30:03 - AJC.
30:03 - You saw the word that the Hawks got clipped by the Celtics.
30:06 - But you know, it's funny 'cause when I read that early,
30:08 I was like, that's very good play on words of you
30:11 to put clipping the-
30:13 - Hawks got clipped by the Celtics.
30:15 - My brain decided that they played the Clippers now.
30:17 So they did not play the Clippers.
30:19 They played the Atlanta Hawks.
30:20 Thank you guys for catching that.
30:22 For Zingas with 31 points, Derek White, 21-12
30:25 in the fourth quarter.
30:26 Al Horford had a good game as well.
30:28 14 points, eight rebounds, eight assists.
30:31 Oldest player in the NBA to log those numbers in one game.
30:35 Al Horford's still breaking records.
30:37 But basically all of that to say,
30:39 guys not named Tatum having big games.
30:42 - When, I mean, it doesn't necessarily matter
30:44 against Atlanta, but it still matters
30:46 when you think about trying to build that momentum
30:48 into obviously the all-star break,
30:51 but eventually into the off season, I mean, the postseason.
30:54 So that being said, can they go deep into the playoffs
30:58 without players like Tatum and Brown?
31:01 And do you think this Hawks game, again,
31:03 low stakes game, prove that if you do agree?
31:07 - They can beat the mediocre teams without Tatum and Brown.
31:11 But when you start getting to best of seven
31:14 against Milwaukee, best of seven,
31:17 if you get to the finals and you see a team like Denver
31:19 or Oklahoma City or Minnesota,
31:21 they're gonna need Tatum and Brown to really,
31:24 I think, assert themselves as two
31:26 of the top three players every night.
31:29 The best player on the other team,
31:31 he may be the best player on that particular game,
31:33 but Tatum and Brown better be right behind him
31:35 because that's how you win championships.
31:39 Your best players shine in the brightest moments.
31:42 And those two guys in particular
31:44 are gonna have opportunities to do that.
31:46 Now, the guy that I am really looking forward
31:49 to seeing what he does in the playoffs is Derek White.
31:52 'Cause I think Derek White has just been the,
31:55 he's been the one guy that I don't think gets enough credit
31:58 for what he means to this team.
32:00 When you start looking at how they're able
32:04 to close games out in the fourth quarter,
32:06 he, more times than not, is the best player.
32:09 When he's the one that's making,
32:10 I mean, he made a couple of shots against Atlanta
32:13 when Atlanta was making things kind of interesting there
32:15 that I don't think Tatum was in the mood
32:17 to make those kind of shots last night.
32:20 And Jalen Brown, I thought Jalen wasn't really looking
32:23 for the ball or very aggressive in the second half.
32:25 And yet there you got Derek White,
32:27 you know, hitting fade away one-legged,
32:29 looking like Dirk Nowinski, threes from the corner.
32:33 Shots that they needed, those shots to go down.
32:36 So the Celtics have the luxury of having guys
32:41 who are not their go-to guys,
32:43 not, you know, possession after possession,
32:45 who can deliver in a clutch.
32:47 And obviously a different kind of player,
32:49 but the way that Derek White is able to finish games is,
32:52 we've seen guys who have that particular
32:55 late game shot clock winding down.
32:57 You think about guys like Robert Horry,
32:59 who was never considered a great player.
33:02 He was considered a great clutch player.
33:04 He made the shots that mattered most.
33:06 Derek White does a lot of that stuff for the Celtics.
33:09 And it'll be interesting to see how things change
33:12 in the playoffs when the rotations become
33:13 a little bit tighter and your best players
33:16 look to be more aggressive, more assertive offensively.
33:19 Are they going to forget that Derek White
33:21 is a big part of why they are really good?
33:24 Or are they going to just try to be a little bit more
33:27 monopolizing of the ball and try to get theirs
33:29 and try to lead the team as scorers,
33:32 as opposed to just leading the teams by their presence,
33:34 which opens up things for them and for guys like Derek.
33:37 - Yeah, I thought the win over Atlanta was important
33:41 because Atlanta had been playing,
33:42 Atlanta scores a lot.
33:44 Number three offense scoring-wise in the NBA.
33:48 They, you know, the Clippers had rolled through Boston,
33:52 beat up on the Celtics, had won all of their games
33:55 on this West Coast, East Coast road trip,
33:58 then went to Atlanta and had to win 149-144.
34:02 So Atlanta dropped 144 points on them.
34:06 I think they dropped 140-something or 30-something
34:08 on the Warriors the game before.
34:10 Those are the team that can score even without
34:12 DeJounte Murray, who did not play mysteriously,
34:14 although he was not traded.
34:16 - I don't understand what's going on either.
34:19 - Yeah, that was weird.
34:20 - His back was hurting, Gary.
34:22 His back was hurting.
34:24 - Yeah, he had a back issue.
34:25 That's what they say.
34:26 And now he's back in Atlanta.
34:28 - Yeah, now he's back in Atlanta.
34:30 So if I'm the Celtics, I thought it was a good win
34:35 because you fought off a team that could score.
34:38 They didn't need a great Jaylon.
34:40 I mean, Jason was two for 13 from the three-point line.
34:43 Jason was still trying to get his three going.
34:45 Al was good.
34:46 Derek was good.
34:48 Chris Dapp's outstanding 31 points.
34:50 So you're fighting through things right now.
34:53 Like the Celtics are not playing their best basketball,
34:55 but they're still 13 and six in their last 19.
34:58 And that includes that tough Indiana loss,
35:01 but they also include the Lakers loss, the Clippers loss,
35:06 which were two of the ones that stand out.
35:09 But you're still winning,
35:11 and you're still keeping the advantage
35:13 in the Eastern Conference race.
35:15 So I just think you gotta,
35:17 this is helping them work through things
35:20 in terms of what they need to work on
35:24 and what they need to do to be a better club.
35:26 Because this is, it's not, you know,
35:28 defense, the defense has been slipping.
35:30 They got it, they played very good defense
35:32 in the second half.
35:33 Trey Young was kind of a mess in the second half.
35:35 He didn't, he had, he didn't have his,
35:38 I think he had finished with 20 points.
35:39 I mean, that's low for him.
35:41 It's average is 27.
35:42 So I thought it was a quality win.
35:46 It's a team that, you know,
35:47 nobody wants to play Atlanta seven game.
35:48 Nobody wants to play that offense
35:50 and have Trey go for, potentially go for 50.
35:53 You know, you don't want to do that.
35:54 You don't want to be brought up in Bogdanovich.
35:56 Like you don't want those guys
35:57 because they don't defend.
35:59 We all know that.
36:01 They don't defend.
36:02 Their defense was terrible the last night.
36:04 The Celtics, you know, I mean,
36:07 here I say it like the Celtics should have taken more twos
36:10 and not enough and took too many damn threes because--
36:13 - What did you say, Gary?
36:14 - Yeah, 'cause they dominate the paint.
36:17 Chris Stapps was feasting in the paint.
36:19 They have no rip protectors
36:21 because this Hawks didn't have Clint Capella.
36:23 So I thought it was a quality win,
36:26 a way for them to just take another step forward.
36:29 Now you use these last four games,
36:31 you try to go 4-0, get to the break,
36:34 work your butt off in the next few days,
36:38 whether you, whatever you're doing,
36:40 make sure you're sharp
36:42 and then get to the all-star break
36:43 and you won't be yawning like Kawani just did.
36:46 - I really thought I was slick too.
36:50 It did not work out.
36:50 - Yeah, you thought you were slick.
36:51 - You're doing it in like--
36:53 - Anyway, we're gonna pretend like that did not happen.
36:57 (laughing)
36:59 - What's wrong with people?
37:01 - Anyway, finally, we've talked about the trade deadline.
37:06 We've talked about how they've looked
37:08 over the last few games.
37:09 So all of this being said,
37:11 do you two think that the Celtics have addressed
37:15 all the pressing needs that they have right now
37:18 via the trades?
37:20 - I do.
37:21 I think that the biggest things they needed to pick up
37:24 between, before the trade deadline,
37:28 I thought they needed another big who could be,
37:31 not necessarily a starter,
37:32 but just a guy that could actually play big,
37:34 like literally could play like a big
37:37 and had a certain amount of versatility
37:40 and potential impact to the game.
37:42 And I thought they got that until then.
37:44 And I would ideally would have liked to seen
37:46 a little bit more of an impact wing that they picked up,
37:51 but you can't have everything.
37:52 And to be candid with you,
37:54 the wings that they already have right now
37:56 in the fold are pretty damn good.
37:58 You've got a couple of all NBA first, second team type guys
38:02 with Jalen and Jason.
38:04 Sam Houser is a guy that can knock down shots,
38:08 which is what you're gonna need from him.
38:10 And we'll see what Jaden can do.
38:12 I don't anticipate much from Jaden to be candid with you,
38:16 but I can absolutely envision certain scenarios
38:20 and certain matchups where a player
38:23 with his particular skills can absolutely help them.
38:27 So I think they did about as well as you could do.
38:30 I mean, if I had to grade them,
38:32 I'd say it was an A minus as far as what they were able
38:36 to get in leading up to the trade deadline
38:39 and what the possibilities were
38:40 and what they had to give up to get those guys,
38:42 which if you look at it,
38:43 they didn't touch their top like nine, 10 players
38:46 in terms of who they passed on
38:50 or they had to give up to make this roster
38:53 what it looks like.
38:54 And that's impressive.
38:55 - Yeah, I thought I'd give them a B.
38:59 I mean, not because any of the guys
39:01 that they acquired were not good.
39:04 It's just, they didn't get that real like,
39:06 oh man, they got that guy.
39:08 Oh, that completely puts them over the top.
39:11 But it wasn't that type of trade deadline.
39:13 As you can see, there was not a lot of big names
39:17 that, you know, both, you know,
39:19 both ended up by Johnovitz from Detroit and Alec Burks.
39:22 The Knicks made some real good moves.
39:24 There wasn't a big, sexy name.
39:27 You know, DeShante Murray didn't get traded.
39:29 It wasn't that the Warriors did nothing,
39:30 the Lakers didn't, it was not the,
39:33 the like, the eventful trade deadline
39:38 we thought was going to happen.
39:41 We, I think that, yeah, obviously, you know,
39:43 there's all these names and all these, you know,
39:47 they get discussed over the net, over, you know,
39:50 oh, since this guy's gone, this guy,
39:52 Bruce Brown didn't get traded.
39:54 Like we all, that's the one thing about all this talk.
39:57 90% of the talk is just talk.
40:00 It does not happen.
40:02 Right, everybody talk, what are the Lakers going to do?
40:04 Who are they going to, oh, they're going to get
40:05 DeShante Murray for D'Angelo Russell.
40:07 And what are the Hawks going to do?
40:09 Like the Hawks didn't really do much.
40:11 The Raptors traded Dennis Schroeder.
40:15 - They got your boy Kelly, they got my boy Kelly back.
40:18 - Got Kelly, yeah, exactly.
40:20 Got Kelly Olenek into Toronto.
40:23 So to me, I thought they did well.
40:27 I thought they did well.
40:28 I thought it was one of those trade deadlines where,
40:32 you know, it wasn't a lot of action
40:35 and you need little pieces.
40:36 You need a guy to come off your bench.
40:38 You need a, maybe a developmental player
40:42 like a Jaden Springer, right?
40:43 You're not, and remember folks,
40:46 it's the buyout markets coming up too.
40:48 Like, you know, and the Celtics can sign somebody,
40:51 add somebody who's made $12.4 million or less.
40:56 Like people are, oh, they can go after Kyle Lowry.
41:00 I'm not saying they would, or, you know,
41:02 some of these guys that we signed, big money guys
41:05 that are going to be bought out.
41:06 No, they can't because they're in the second apron.
41:10 So they have to take a guy who doesn't make
41:12 a whole lot of money.
41:14 So if you're the Celtics, you know,
41:17 it still will have some opportunities to add another player,
41:22 you know, and move forward as opposed to just sticking
41:26 with what they have.
41:27 But I do think that they did a nice job getting a bid
41:31 in Tillman and also a developmental player
41:35 who might be able to make an impact in Jaden Springer.
41:38 - Well, it sounds like passing grades to me.
41:43 That's I think the goal in general.
41:45 So moving forward, the Celtics have the Wizards
41:48 and the Heat, the Nets.
41:50 And then by the time we talk next week,
41:52 they actually have played the Nets twice.
41:54 So all of this is still to be determined whether
41:58 or not these moves were the best,
41:59 assuming that we actually see these players,
42:02 you know, contribute.
42:03 But I think that's all we have for this recap
42:06 of the trade deadline, our trade deadline special.
42:10 Any final words from the two of you?
42:12 - No, Whitney, we good.
42:16 - Funny that he's wearing a Stevie Wonder shirt.
42:17 Gary's wearing a Stevie Wonder shirt.
42:19 - Exactly, exactly.
42:20 I just saw the "We Are The World" documentary on Netflix.
42:25 - How was it?
42:27 - Check it out.
42:27 Very good, very, some interesting notes.
42:30 It was funny, a lot of good stuff,
42:32 especially, I know, Kwanye, that was way before your time,
42:35 but check it out.
42:36 No, not be funny, but you know, it was '85.
42:39 - It was funny that you say it real light eye roll.
42:42 I mean, '85?
42:43 - It was '85.
42:44 So check it out.
42:45 It's definitely worth watching.
42:47 This is interesting how the world's changed since then,
42:50 with all the stars that they got together,
42:52 that, and you could probably play the game,
42:55 and we'd be like, okay, could they do that now?
42:57 Could they pull out-
42:58 - Never happened, never happened.
42:59 - Could they get all these people,
43:01 the Taylor Swifts and Nicki Minaj-
43:04 - Beyonce.
43:05 - Beyonce, all in the same room for like-
43:07 - Beyonce.
43:08 - Beyonce and Jay-Z aren't even going to the Grammys
43:10 after this one.
43:11 - Yeah, eight, nine, could they get them
43:12 in eight to nine hours to do a free song
43:16 for helping people around the world?
43:19 Could they do that?
43:20 And who would they get?
43:21 Like, who would be the top 30 artists or 30, you know?
43:25 Like, I think that's just, it's fascinating now,
43:28 and it was before rap.
43:30 So you probably have to include Drake and all,
43:32 you know, you'd have to include some big time rappers
43:36 in there too, maybe, but could they get,
43:40 could that happen now?
43:41 'Cause now that's pushing 39 years ago.
43:45 So it's a fascinating watch, so yeah.
43:47 - I would think so.
43:48 So yes, to the question that you didn't ask me specifically,
43:51 I just don't think-
43:51 - You don't think they could get all those people
43:53 in one room for a cause?
43:55 - Like, I feel like even if World War III,
43:58 we're on the brink of-
43:59 - Yeah, people be like, "Nah, I'm good."
44:02 - Thanks for the invite, I'm good.
44:05 - But to your point, it would have to,
44:06 I think it would depend on who is the person
44:10 that's bringing them in.
44:11 - Yeah, who is it?
44:12 Yeah, 'cause in this situation,
44:14 Lionel Richie, who was like,
44:16 for the equivalent now, Lionel Richie is,
44:19 I don't even know, like maybe John Legend
44:21 or something like that, you know?
44:23 - That's still stretch.
44:24 - Maybe Bruno Mars, maybe.
44:26 - Yeah, Bruno Mars, it was exactly,
44:27 he was at the top of the game in '85,
44:30 so it would be like Bruno Mars
44:32 bringing all these people together
44:33 and the top producer right now,
44:36 then it was Quincy Jones, now it'd be somebody else.
44:39 And then Michael Jackson obviously was involved,
44:41 Michael was all in, so he was the top dude on the earth.
44:46 - Who's the Michael Jackson of our time, if we have one?
44:49 Well, I'd say I tried, obviously we experienced him, but-
44:52 - Closest thing is Drake, when you talk about-
44:54 - Drake or Bruno, I would say Bruno Mars, maybe.
44:57 - Yeah, Bruno's probably, yeah.
44:58 - There's no, but there's-
44:59 - There's Drake on dance.
45:00 - There is no, like, I don't know.
45:02 - You know, but we talk international pool,
45:04 you think Bruno has that much weight?
45:07 - I don't know, 'cause I still think he can carry,
45:10 like Michael Jackson in 1985 was the, like,
45:15 you can't even quantify how hot he was.
45:19 You could not put it on paper,
45:21 you couldn't even quantify how,
45:23 he could not go anywhere, he could not,
45:25 I mean, he was the hottest MF on the earth.
45:28 - And the thing is, this was before,
45:30 I was just having this conversation last week,
45:31 before social media, like the fact that he had
45:34 this much of an impact, and Beyonce had done a great job
45:37 of obviously utilizing social media to still have a,
45:41 not as significant, but significant enough impact,
45:44 of course, Taylor Swift as well, but like,
45:47 literally no one, I think, will ever,
45:50 I don't think, no one will ever do what Michael Jackson-
45:53 - He had people fainting where he's going and all that.
45:56 - Just by seeing him, like he didn't-
45:58 - Just by seeing him, yeah, I mean, it was crazy.
46:01 It was crazy, people don't understand,
46:03 people don't understand, like, how that was,
46:06 when it was him and Prince, both at the same time,
46:09 but they're both with their superpowers.
46:11 Like, it was insane, like, that whole time was insane.
46:16 You couldn't match it, 'cause the '90s,
46:18 both of them tailed off, weren't the same,
46:20 and obviously Mike got his stuff, and Prince started to,
46:24 you know, I'm the artist, and I'm the symbol,
46:28 and Prince started having his problems
46:29 with the record company, but that time,
46:32 ooh, you couldn't, you know, so yeah, like,
46:36 I don't know, I think young folks should, like,
46:40 I would, that'd be a great debate,
46:41 and like, who would you all get,
46:44 and who would show up, and who would have, you know,
46:48 who would you invite, who would you not invite?
46:52 - I would not invite Erykah Badu.
46:54 - Lauryn Hill would be late, so.
46:57 - Lauryn Hill and Erykah Badu would be late.
46:59 - Kanye would be, Kanye would show up on one, so.
47:03 - Kanye would pull up uninvited and grab them.
47:05 - Yeah, like, what's up, y'all didn't invite me!
47:08 So, yeah.
47:11 - That's a really good one.
47:12 If you're watching on YouTube, drop in the comments.
47:14 - Who would you invite, and who wouldn't,
47:17 and who would be the organizer?
47:19 That'd be the first.
47:20 - That's a big question.
47:21 - Who would be the person that could get,
47:23 walk into all these rooms, all these people with respect,
47:27 and be like, and the person be like,
47:29 ah, I'll do a few of these.
47:30 - It has to be Taylor Swift, though.
47:31 - It has to be Beyoncé or Taylor Swift.
47:34 Think about global impact, it has to be.
47:36 - I would probably lean on, to be there.
47:39 - Yeah, somebody who's got enough game
47:41 to talk to all these different people,
47:44 and people like them, and, you know, no ego,
47:46 like they put a sign up, no ego at the door,
47:49 that was a big one.
47:50 - They had that on.
47:51 - Leave your ego at the door.
47:55 - That's real.
47:56 - You know, you get all this star power in one room,
47:59 you know, you gonna have people, what's up,
48:01 where's my, you know.
48:02 - Yeah, that's a lot of I'm all that in one space.
48:05 - Wait, you said this was like the 80s,
48:07 so was Mariah Carey involved in this?
48:09 - No, she didn't come out till '91,
48:10 her first was, "Vision of Love" was like '91, so no.
48:14 - I feel like Mariah still has an impact
48:16 that what she would be.
48:17 - Yeah, Mariah, she could be the old head,
48:19 like they had, back then they had Dionne Warwick,
48:22 who became more famous with doing the psychic network
48:26 and all that.
48:26 - But now she's still doing her thing on Twitter.
48:29 - Yeah, yeah.
48:29 - She's a star.
48:30 - Dionne was a force, Ray Charles, Harry Belafonte,
48:34 like they got some old heads, like you would,
48:36 it was like them getting, like,
48:38 I wanna say maybe Stevie Wonder,
48:40 like who's like a kind of an old, like,
48:42 like, sorry, Mariah would be kind of an old head
48:45 in that room now.
48:47 I mean, they got some people that were like real,
48:50 like, my goodness, I can't believe,
48:52 they got Bob Dylan, who's still alive,
48:55 Bruce Springsteen, like they pulled,
48:58 so yeah, you'd have to, young folks, have that debate,
49:03 who would go, who would come,
49:05 who should be the organizer, and would it even happen?
49:09 - Yeah, if there was a need to make a global song
49:13 for charity, who would be part of that?
49:15 And who put it together?
49:18 - We'll put it together.
49:19 - I will be tweeting that if you are,
49:21 or posting that on X, if you are on Twitter,
49:24 or X, reply, I wanna see your--
49:27 - And check out the special, wanna get some reference,
49:30 check it out, it's like an hour and a half,
49:32 so you'd be fine.
49:34 - I appreciate that, I love getting a little wisdom
49:37 from Gary Washburn, his historical knowledge.
49:39 - Yeah.
49:40 - So perfect way to end out this episode,
49:41 we appreciate you all watching and listening
49:44 to the Big Three NBA podcast.
49:46 We're right before the All-Star stretch,
49:49 and there won't be a break for us,
49:51 but you know, a break for the players,
49:53 but we appreciate y'all for listening and sticking with us.
49:56 We'll be back next week,
49:57 and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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