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Bob Ryan and Gary Tanguay recently discussed the Celtics' performance against the Nuggets, delving into the details of the matchup. They highlighted Jamal Murray's outstanding performance and agreed that the Celtics are at a point where excuses are no longer valid. The duo also debated whether the Celtics feel less pressure playing at home compared to away games. Additionally, they compared the historical home and away records of past Celtics teams. Lastly, they speculated on possible trade deadline strategies for teams like the Lakers and Suns.  0:00 Celtics vs Nuggets Reaction 11:15 Jamal Murray went off 14:00 Celtics have no excuses now 16:40 Less pressure on Celtics at home? 17:50 Celtics at Home and Away  20:57 Former Celtics teams records Home and Road 23:4 0 What can Lakers and Suns do at deadline?  Fanduel Sportsbook is the exclusive wagering parter of the CLNS Media Network! Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED when you place a FIVE DOLLAR BET. That’s A HUNDRED AND FIFTY BUCKS in BONUS BETS – WIN OR LOSE! Go to https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON! The app is so easy to use and there are so many different ways to bet like:  ● Live Same Game Parlays ● Find Bets in the NEW Explore Tab ● Make a parlay in the Parlay Hub – the best way to find popular parlays ● And more!  DISCLAIMER: Must be 21+ and present in select states. FanDuel is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino, LLC. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG in Colorado, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Tennessee, and Virginia. Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 in Arizona, 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut, 1-800-9-WITH-IT in Indiana, 1-800-522-4700 or visit ksgamblinghelp.com in Kansas, 1-877-770-STOP in Louisiana, visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland, visit 1800gambler.net in West Virginia, or call 1-800-522-4700 in Wyoming. Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLineMA.org or call (800) 327-5050 for 24/7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPENY in New York.

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00:28 Well hey everybody, it's Gary Tangway along with Bob Ryan.

00:30 It is the Bob Ryan/Gary Tangway Podcast.

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00:55 Okay, so I want to get through the Celtics-Denver game on Friday night.

01:00 And I'll start with a question.

01:02 Was it a moral victory?

01:03 The Celtics lost 102-100.

01:05 Was it a moral victory for Boston?

01:07 No, that's not my personal idea of what a moral victory is.

01:13 But it was not a damaging loss for sure.

01:18 Number one, you need a loss.

01:20 You don't want to go 41-0 going into the playoffs.

01:23 None could be more frightening than that.

01:26 So that's good.

01:27 We got the loss out of the way.

01:28 I'm not facetious.

01:29 I'm serious.

01:30 That's the way I think.

01:31 Not everybody agrees with that.

01:32 No, I know.

01:33 Well, look what happened with the Patriots.

01:34 I mean-- Not everybody agrees with that line of thinking,

01:37 but I subscribe to it.

01:39 Yeah.

01:40 All right.

01:41 Well, number two, you lost to a very good team.

01:44 I have no problem.

01:46 The two great players were phenomenal.

01:49 You know, at one point in that game, Djokic and Murray were 26-34 between them.

01:57 And Djokic doing it his way, his I'm going at my pace and you can't stop me going from

02:03 wherever I want to go at whatever pace I choose.

02:06 And Murray, just like every great guard we've ever seen, having a night making all kinds

02:12 of shots.

02:13 And he's at the peak of his game.

02:15 That's for sure.

02:16 And no, I don't mind losing to them.

02:18 I mean, I would have been much more upset losing to a team, you know, an inferior team.

02:24 But there were things that were there.

02:26 And once the game was over, I get an email from a fan who I agreed with.

02:32 The last 13.44 seconds were a disaster.

02:35 And his last couple of minutes weren't good.

02:39 This is the one remaining yeah, but about Joe Mazzola's stewardship of this team is

02:45 that they aren't good in those situations.

02:47 They don't have enough of a reliable plan.

02:52 And that was utterly held to skelter coming out of that timeout at 13.

02:56 Now, granted, Denver had the advantage of having the foul to give.

03:00 And Celtics knew that.

03:01 And they had to factor that in.

03:02 And they did.

03:03 And they wound up getting the ball back with four seconds to go as a result.

03:06 But that's the big thing that I take away from that.

03:10 But in general terms, you know, it took a tremendous effort by two all star players

03:17 to beat them.

03:18 And so I don't feel horrible.

03:20 It was a great game.

03:21 It was.

03:22 I mean, it was a great game to watch.

03:24 The Celtics did not play great, but it was a great game to watch.

03:28 I want to talk about the final two minutes.

03:31 And because I have a lot of problems with this.

03:33 In games like this, I turn into a fan and I lose my objectivity.

03:37 And I always go, well, oh, hell, damn it.

03:39 Why didn't we win the game?

03:40 We had the lead, you know, and of course, a lead against Denver means nothing.

03:46 I remember during the Paul Pierce era where they would rely on him too much.

03:50 And sometimes at the end of the day, it was just a problem.

03:53 Now, when Garnett came on board, you started to pass the ball a little bit, move the ball

03:57 around.

03:58 Ray could hit a, you know, a game winner and so forth.

04:01 But what I saw in the first half was the Celtics were overpassing to me.

04:06 They were overpassing the ball.

04:08 And that's something I saw with the 08 team early on.

04:11 And then you mentioned in the fourth quarter, I'm like, OK, now where's the ball distribution?

04:17 Now you've got you've got five guys on the floor that can win the game for you.

04:22 Where's the ball distribution?

04:24 Right.

04:25 So they go to Tatum and I get it.

04:27 I mean, he's your best player, but you've got to do better than that.

04:32 I mean, we've seen it.

04:34 And that's what frustrates me, Bob, about the mentality of the NBA.

04:37 And it's not just here.

04:39 You'll see him in the first three quarters play so well.

04:42 And in that fourth quarter, they go to Isobal and I go, why?

04:46 Why?

04:47 And there are several times that they were searching out the best three, instead of worrying

04:54 about getting a basket.

04:55 Well, OK.

04:56 You know, three would have won the game, two would have tied the game.

04:59 I'll take the two.

05:00 And I wonder, I just know, I don't know.

05:04 I'm not at practice.

05:05 I'm not involved.

05:06 I have no idea.

05:07 I don't know if any writer knows, frankly, because they don't get to go to practice until

05:11 they're shooting free throws at the end.

05:14 They don't know the inner workings of the team the way I was privileged to do 50, literally

05:18 50 years ago.

05:19 Go to practice every day, know the numbers plays, know every play, know who's supposed

05:22 to do what.

05:25 I don't see plays anymore with teams.

05:28 You know, the Southerners would come out of a timeout, they run the 14 play for Noe.

05:32 I'm serious.

05:33 They run the six play.

05:34 They'd run it, the 1A, 1.

05:37 They'd run the plays.

05:38 And I don't know if these guys in those moments, if they go in the huddle and they say, all

05:42 right, we're going to run the six play.

05:43 We're going to run the eight play.

05:44 We're going to run Zoom, whatever we want to call it.

05:47 Or whether they just, you know, I don't know what they do, but it doesn't appear that they

05:51 run plays.

05:52 I'm not just the boss of Celtics, by the way.

05:54 This is the NBA.

05:55 Well, I mean, we saw that with, I think we saw that.

05:59 I don't know if it was so much with Doc, with that crew, but with Brad, he would write up

06:07 a play and they wouldn't run it.

06:08 It appeared to be that Brad, yeah, he got known for being good coming out of a timeout.

06:15 He got a reputation for that.

06:16 So I don't know how much, you know, I don't.

06:19 So it's something.

06:20 I mean, even Doc has said with other teams, I'll call a play and they don't run it.

06:24 I don't know.

06:25 I don't think it was with Garnett, but with other teams, I'll call a play and they don't

06:27 run it.

06:28 I mean, so this is something, you know, that this is a flaw that they have.

06:34 There's no doubt.

06:35 And when you get in and listen, when you get into the finals facing Denver, that's an issue.

06:40 Now, here's the other issue that you touched upon from three, from three Friday night,

06:46 14 for 44.

06:49 There were two times the Celtics had counted, had four or five offensive rebounds in a row.

06:55 Yeah.

06:56 And they didn't convert.

06:57 They did not convert this team when the three isn't falling, has to learn to go to the basket.

07:04 They have to learn to go to the basket.

07:06 And B, they now have a seven three presence who can score low.

07:10 Thank you.

07:11 And who, by the way, scored the first 11 points of the game at 15 in the first quarter and

07:16 19 at the half and two in the second half and didn't get the ball.

07:20 And so I'll grant it.

07:23 He hit his first threes at seven three to start the game, but he also did other stuff.

07:30 They have to remember now they have that asset.

07:32 That's what it should be.

07:33 That's a very and you made a good point.

07:35 They can put five guys on the floor, all of whom were very capable of making the needed

07:39 shot and actually seven when you thought if you had either Hauser or Pritchard out there.

07:45 So yeah, this is I mean, it's not panic.

07:49 It's annoying.

07:50 No, it's just frustrating because I thought they were going to win the game.

07:53 Yeah, I'm a fan boy, Bob.

07:55 I'm fan boy.

07:56 And that's OK.

07:57 Now, I want to speak to your point about I'm thinking during that game often at moments

08:01 because I'm a staunch defender of the sanctity of the regular season.

08:05 I refuse to succumb to the 20 late 20 early first 21st century talk show driven dialogue

08:11 that the only thing that matters is playoffs.

08:13 And you judge everybody by rings.

08:14 You judge everybody by playoffs.

08:16 And you and you put down a regular season.

08:18 I don't care what sport we're talking about, except that you can bet on it.

08:22 Well, that game was proof that that there's a reason why people play their pay their big

08:26 money to go to a regular season game when you've got a really good team, which we have

08:31 this entertaining and that game was worth the price of admission.

08:34 That game was worth the price of two admissions.

08:36 No question.

08:37 It was a great game.

08:38 These three athletes playing at a high level.

08:41 We've talked about it because of the balance of the league and because of the other players

08:46 like the OKC's in the Indianapolis and I know how to bring that.

08:49 You know, all of that.

08:51 You turn on an NBA.

08:52 You can pretty much find a good game every night.

08:55 So I agree with you.

08:57 These are tremendous players and doing doing great things.

09:01 And they know they are the best at their trade in the world.

09:05 And yeah, I mean, I just get angry with people put down a regular season because the fact

09:11 is that that you got to have reason for fans to have something where you just can't see

09:17 the argument.

09:18 The only time I will lend credence to that argument is the NHL.

09:23 And I'm not a hockey guy, but man, I used to talk to Falgar.

09:28 I go, it's like December or whatever.

09:30 And I think I'm going to wake me when the playoffs come, because, well, there's a look

09:37 having covered the NBA extensively, you know, back in the day and knowing what a dreary

09:42 February night can be.

09:45 There's a period of time when it's not.

09:48 But but even then, a great game could break out.

09:52 And I'm just saying that the regular season does matter.

09:57 And a regular season is the fans deserve a show.

10:00 And boy, did they get one the other night.

10:02 A really, really good show.

10:03 By the way, talk about isn't Joe Kitsch amazing?

10:07 I mean, he just moves at whatever pace he has.

10:12 He gets wherever he wants to go.

10:15 And he has that nice little tippy toe.

10:16 You know, it's not a jump shot.

10:18 It's a I don't know what you call it.

10:20 You know, it's a European flip or whatever the hell, you know, he's got.

10:23 But yeah, he's a he's a treasure.

10:26 Did you see on Twitter, by the way, go follow Bob Ryan.

10:29 Was Celtics at CLNS CLNS.

10:32 Our our leader Nick put together a great comparison

10:36 when you talked about Bird and Jokic.

10:38 You saw it on Twitter.

10:39 Yes.

10:39 Not like the bird passes in the Jokic passes.

10:41 Yes. It was fabulous.

10:43 Yeah. Well, the over the head particularly.

10:45 And absolutely.

10:47 And now they know where they think of Larry.

10:51 Larry knew where people ought to be.

10:54 We the smart players.

10:56 And he could throw the spots like a football guy.

10:58 The football quarterback throwing a ball to a spot, not to the receiver.

11:01 And Larry could do that with guys that he trusted.

11:04 And, you know, we could never exaggerate how smart that

11:09 the group of guys were on the floor.

11:11 And now another thing I want to get to about Friday night's game that concerned me.

11:15 I want to talk about Jamal Murray.

11:20 I think Jamal Murray is one of the most underrated players in the NBA

11:23 because he plays with Jokic.

11:24 Yeah. And I think he's often forgotten.

11:27 And you could say one one day I am.

11:30 I am not going to say one and two.

11:32 I mean, Murray's a one.

11:33 I mean, not a position.

11:34 I mean, not a center. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

11:36 I mean, Jokic, I get it is the guy.

11:39 But Murray's pretty damn close.

11:41 And I was in awe of the way he played because I felt while Jokic

11:46 is going to get his thirty five, he gets to where he's going to go.

11:48 Murray that in that game Friday night against the Celtics said, OK,

11:52 these guys aren't beating us.

11:55 He kept them in the game.

11:56 Oh, God. And he's such a wonderful player.

11:59 I'm sure they wouldn't need want to trade him for any guard.

12:03 No, no way. I mean, and there's some great guards.

12:06 I mean, you know, the Hal Burton is having a great year.

12:08 Lord, all the all these guys are having great years, a lot of them.

12:12 But nobody's having a better year than nobody's any better.

12:15 And that's G.A.

12:17 All right. Now he's the new gold standard almost.

12:19 Oh, yeah, I understand.

12:20 But they still wouldn't trade them.

12:22 Well, not on this team because he's the perfect complement.

12:24 Obviously, there's no ego between the two.

12:26 You know, we we we we heard Murray speak about his teammate

12:31 who lost his his coach, the assistant coach with Golden State,

12:35 who passed away in his sleep, who had coached Jokic in Serbia.

12:38 And Murray spoke eloquently about that, how this they were so close.

12:42 I mean, we all know chemistry, Bob.

12:44 You know, there's only one ball.

12:46 And by the way, if we play that

12:49 my Bob Ryan's U.S. versus international all star game,

12:53 Murray is starting guard on the other team.

12:56 Canadian, Canadian.

12:58 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm a huge I'm a huge fan.

13:01 And I just don't think he get because they go get I get it.

13:04 But I'm sitting there and I'm watching this game and I'm going

13:07 and you're right about the five guys.

13:10 I mean, the Celtics need to distribute the ball at the end of the game.

13:12 But I'm thinking, OK, Tatum and Brown and Tatum and Brown had bad shooting nights.

13:16 I'm not going to fall off the cliff.

13:18 It happens. I think I thought they'd shot too many threes.

13:21 We've talked about how they need to get to the basket and use Porzingis

13:24 in those situations.

13:25 But boy, I looked at Tatum and Brown in that game, and then I saw Murray and Jokic.

13:29 And I thought to myself, Jason and Jalen, you still got a ways to go.

13:33 Got a little bit.

13:35 You're there.

13:36 You know, you're almost there, but not yet.

13:39 That's kind of what I took from the game.

13:41 Well, well, the ultimate takeaway that we have is you wouldn't mind

13:45 seeing that as a rematch in May.

13:47 Oh, in June. Excuse me.

13:49 It would be tremendous. You wouldn't mind seeing that.

13:51 Well, and then you can look like if you want to go for the Celtics,

13:54 you know, and I'm sure,

13:57 you know, a Celtic fan or if you want to be optimistic

14:00 and not frustrated like me, because I'm so demanding of this team.

14:03 I expect a lot of this team.

14:06 This is it. No more excuses.

14:07 Oh, it's an out team.

14:09 This is it.

14:10 I mean, this is no more excuses.

14:11 You guys got the tools.

14:13 But you can say, look, OK, Jalen and Jay, the two Jays had a bad shooting night

14:17 and they still almost won.

14:19 Yeah. My last fight, too.

14:20 They also fight, too. And they could have won at the end.

14:22 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

14:23 I mean, they could almost, you know, so while Tangway is getting a little

14:27 frustrated, you know, still

14:29 you could you could say that Murray and Jokic had to have great nights

14:33 and combined for 70 points to barely win when the Celtics didn't shoot well.

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15:14 Now, by the way, our boys have an interesting stretch coming up.

15:21 Filming in. Well, they got three road games this week.

15:25 Now at Houston, whoever, by the way, we're going to talk about home road in a minute.

15:29 Houston at home.

15:33 Is 16 and six, by the way.

15:37 OK, at Dallas, not a day in the beach and at Miami,

15:43 we know how much we respect Miami.

15:45 So that's it. That's a I'll tell you right now, I'll take two out of three.

15:48 I'll take two out of three.

15:51 Then they have a five game homestand.

15:54 Five game homestands that we are, which is the Clippers who are playing well.

15:59 They are found themselves in the hardened thing is now working out

16:03 better than we thought it would.

16:05 New Orleans, who are respectable.

16:07 That all depends, of course, if you know who is in the lineup,

16:09 because he's always hurt.

16:11 And then Indiana and we we we can testify.

16:15 They can tell that'll be a game.

16:16 What Indiana can be a.

16:18 A team from Los Angeles called the Lakers, I believe they're called.

16:23 Well, LeBron's going to show up for that one.

16:25 And finally, Memphis, OK, they got problems there.

16:28 They got it.

16:29 Well, you got to get it because they're not with that Lakers game.

16:31 See, the Lakers are struggling.

16:33 They're on a spot right now.

16:34 But, you know, LeBron showing up for that one.

16:36 Oh, LeBron. LeBron is.

16:38 It's already got what's.

16:39 You know, when that one circle on his calendar.

16:41 I agree. And so I mean, so that's a stretch that takes us

16:45 two weeks now.

16:48 So, Bob, what you're saying is from this Denver game,

16:50 now the monkey is off their back, if you will. And

16:54 there's the pressure of not losing at home will help.

16:57 I I just think they don't have that.

17:01 That's a thing that would hang out there all year.

17:04 And maybe maybe it's just me and maybe not.

17:08 They never entered any of their minds.

17:09 And they always go, of course, they're the athletes.

17:11 They go into every game thinking you're going to win.

17:13 That's the way they're bred. That's the way they're taught.

17:15 That's the way they're supposed to.

17:16 The rhetoric they're supposed to give us.

17:17 We never go into a game where we don't think we're going to win.

17:19 All right, fine.

17:20 But I just I just want to have that pressure.

17:22 They weren't going to go 41 and 0.

17:24 But let's get this let's get this out of the way.

17:26 They lost the game to a very good team. It's no disgrace.

17:29 And, you know, we've talked about what we don't like.

17:32 And it's it's coachable.

17:34 It's verified. It's rectifiable.

17:36 And we move on.

17:37 So that's that.

17:39 But, you know, I

17:41 OK, you and I were talking here today.

17:44 We're talking about I I'm curious about

17:45 their home road in this league this year.

17:49 And I looked up the records

17:52 what the home and away records were for each of the Celtics

17:57 17 championship teams seasons.

18:00 Now, keep in mind that until 1974,

18:05 there were a bunch of neutrals.

18:07 OK, New York games.

18:09 People love this in 56, 57 when they won their first championship

18:12 home, 24 and four.

18:16 Away, 11 and 18.

18:19 Really neutral nine and six.

18:22 OK, then they started

18:27 the dominance in 59, 60, 25 and two at home, 24 and nine away,

18:32 10 and five neutral.

18:35 And we go all the way up.

18:37 And of course, the the you guys, the 72, 73 team, the 168 games

18:40 did not win a championship because how much it got hurt.

18:43 We're 33 and six at home.

18:45 And you ready for this?

18:46 Thirty two and eight on the road.

18:48 Wow. How's that?

18:49 Ladies and gentlemen.

18:50 Now, our 07 08 team, our last championship team,

18:53 35 and six at home, 31 and 10 on the road.

18:58 They were that was a that's greatness.

19:00 That is coming every night to play.

19:02 That is that is a test that is exemplary.

19:05 That is the most road games

19:08 that they have won

19:10 since the team that I just told you about.

19:13 72, 73. Yeah, Honda was doing Honda got hurt, right?

19:16 So that's a standard.

19:18 This team right now

19:20 is 21 at home and 12 and nine on the road.

19:23 And they're in a which is they're in a cluster.

19:28 There's nobody is, you know, he's got the most road wins right now.

19:31 A tie between Minnesota and OKC.

19:34 As we speak, as we speak, they've got 13.

19:38 They're 13 and nine, Minnesota, 13 and eight or OKC.

19:41 The Celtics, Philadelphia, Nix

19:45 and Miami all have 12 road wins.

19:48 OK, New Orleans has 12 road wins.

19:50 They're they're they're interesting.

19:51 They're 13 and nine at home and 12 and nine on the road.

19:53 So that's respectable for them.

19:57 There we go.

19:57 And I love the symmetry, though, of Detroit.

20:00 The symmetry is beautiful.

20:01 There are two and 19 at home and two and 19 on the road.

20:03 So they're very well balanced.

20:07 But anyway, what I'm saying is this is not a great road team yet.

20:10 And it sounds that the league is not.

20:14 The league is not a great road team.

20:15 It's it's a lot of 500 ish or a little around it.

20:19 Well, there's too many excuses, Bob, in my opinion, to sound like an old man here.

20:24 Too many excuses or on the road.

20:26 It's the second night of a back to back or on the road.

20:28 Some guys sit load management.

20:31 Oh, God. Load management has an impact on it.

20:34 You know, so I agree.

20:37 I think there's there's sort of an excuse for being on the road,

20:40 which didn't exist in years past.

20:42 I'll tell you, I just think that you we really need to look back.

20:45 I and appreciate how good oh, seven or eight that team was.

20:50 And I know that, Doc, I look this up and it's

20:54 I know this sounds like an outlandish statement, but I really believe it.

20:58 You can make a case that out of 82 games,

21:03 they were out of one game all year out of whether or not a chance with the fourth.

21:08 But they were going to win that game in the fourth quarter.

21:12 They lost a game at home to Miami in December of 07 by 18.

21:16 And that was the one game.

21:19 Every other loss was salvageable.

21:22 Every other one was conceivable that they could find a way to win the game.

21:26 They weren't blown out.

21:27 And and then, of course, they were thirty five and six at home.

21:30 So we got to really salute, you know, in the history of the Celtics.

21:34 And, you know, we all glorify Iowa.

21:36 My my generation glorifies the 50s and 60s guys in the 70s, guys.

21:41 And and all the great.

21:42 But you've got to give that big three that Garnett Pierce Allen crew.

21:46 That was a just a season for the ages.

21:51 They really had a wonderful.

21:51 Absolutely. How about that?

21:53 Eighty six season when they lost one? Oh, yeah.

21:55 Eighty six. Yeah, that's a good question.

21:57 Eighty five. There were forty one home, twenty seven and fourteen on the road.

22:01 Really much in keeping the year before.

22:04 They were twenty nine and twelve on the road.

22:06 And they were eighty four when they won in eighty four.

22:08 When they won eighty four, they were thirty three and eight at home.

22:10 They were sixty two and twenty.

22:12 They went thirty three at home, twenty nine and twelve on the road.

22:14 Twenty seven and fourteen and eighty, eighty one.

22:18 Bird that birds first championship.

22:22 And there we go.

22:23 So a lot of another good year, sixty four, sixty five or twenty seven and eleven.

22:28 But the neutrals blow my mind.

22:31 You know, the people today won't understand.

22:33 Here's how many they played.

22:35 Fifteen neutral games in fifty seven, fourteen and fifty nine, fifteen and sixty.

22:39 And that was like Augusta, Maine, Providence, Rhode Island.

22:42 And then the double headers, the double headers, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore.

22:46 All right. We hosted double headers all.

22:48 You know, we were one of the double header cities.

22:51 You know, I'm one of my favorite nights ever in the garden for history.

22:55 And I said the 76ers were playing the Sonics in the first game of a double header.

23:00 And Wilt went for fifty two, which is no big deal for Wilt, you know.

23:04 But he also missed twenty two free throws, which is the record.

23:07 He was eight for thirty.

23:08 And he still had fifty two points because he went out with Russell.

23:11 So, you know, you double head double headers.

23:15 We're that's the way you say the Sonics.

23:17 Yeah. This expansion Supersonics.

23:20 What was your first year?

23:22 Sixty six, sixty six, sixty seven.

23:24 This was the first 1966.

23:27 OK. Went for twenty two field goals, eight free throws, eight out of thirty from the from the lot.

23:31 I didn't know this. I thought the Sonics came in later than that.

23:34 Our good friend Willie McDonough, the late great, his son, Ryan McDonough,

23:39 we know, has had a an esteemed basketball career

23:43 as a manager with the Celtics and with the Phoenix Suns.

23:46 But on NBA dot com, I thought it was very interesting because they

23:49 teed him up for a question.

23:52 And this is where headlines kill me.

23:54 The headline was on NBA dot com and a paraphrasing like.

23:57 What can the Lakers and Suns do with the trade deadline?

24:02 So this looks interesting.

24:04 Oh, it's Ryan. OK, we all know Ryan.

24:07 OK, what's he got?

24:08 And Ryan basically kind of said, and I'm sure like, I don't know if I was like

24:12 not much, but he spelled it out.

24:14 I mean, you guys should really watch. He spelled it out.

24:16 He went through all the players on the Suns.

24:18 He knew all the salaries on the Suns.

24:20 He knew all the salaries in the Lakers.

24:22 And because both teams are so top heavy. Yeah.

24:25 They can't do a lot.

24:27 So the question is, have the Lakers and the Suns

24:31 shown you how not to do it?

24:34 Well, it's a risky run when you you know, this

24:36 it's not endemic to those two teams or to this sport.

24:40 But, you know, putting too much money or excessive amount of money

24:44 in the hands of too few people, whether you're talking about a pitching staff

24:47 or you're talking about a defensive line or whether you're talking about a

24:51 first line at hockey, you know, you great.

24:56 You have to really be careful.

24:57 This is why judicious general managing in that regard is a cost effective.

25:01 Approaches are important.

25:04 Yeah, I understand. The Suns are clearly I mean, I've been saying all year.

25:08 Once you get past Booker, who, by the way, had 52 points here tonight

25:11 and Beal and Durant,

25:14 many of those bench guys are in the federal witness

25:17 protection program for basketball players.

25:19 You know, how are these guys?

25:21 They're not deep at all.

25:22 There's no question.

25:23 They are totally dependent on those three guys

25:25 and to a disproportionate degree.

25:27 The Lakers, even with the two guys playing well, many nights lately

25:31 that AD is having a big year.

25:33 You notice nobody's talking about it.

25:35 AD is putting up numbers all the time, every night.

25:37 And LeBron is still capable of putting up big numbers.

25:40 And then after that, you draw a line.

25:42 Who's going to step up next?

25:43 Who's the next? Who's the third guy?

25:44 You know, and it's yeah, there are

25:47 answers. Yeah, I understand.

25:51 This is a risk. You run that risk.

25:52 And and then you have guys that and I'll give Tom Brady.

25:57 He was it's documented, you know, guys that understand the big picture

26:01 and don't want greedy, right, and want to be paid, but fairly.

26:05 And they want to win and they understand that.

26:07 I don't need to take all the money I need teammates.

26:11 And this so, you know, he proved

26:15 he set the standard and I don't know how many superstars are even close to that.

26:19 Well, yeah.

26:20 Well, you have to have owners like Golden State when they had KD.

26:22 I mean, the Golden State owner was more than willing to go over the cap

26:25 and pay all the fines.

26:26 And but it's an exorbitant fine.

26:28 You know, I mean, it's a lot of money.

26:31 So it's going to be interesting.

26:33 The way I look at those two teams is if they're healthy at playoff time.

26:36 We'll see what happens.

26:37 Yeah, right. Well, that's the West Coast. Oh, yes.

26:39 Good. That's true. That's true.

26:41 But I'm just watching the Lakers.

26:43 I mean, not watching them, but, you know, are,

26:46 you know, it just seems every night is just those two guys.

26:50 And then you don't know who the rotating third guy is, you know.

26:53 So, you know, that's that's the team they have.

26:55 But that's a very astute Ryan Hager, Mass's own Ryan McDonough.

26:59 Yeah. Check it. It's on NBA dot com right now.

27:02 He did. He breaks it down and he

27:03 he I mean, I can't even try to replicate what.

27:08 Oh, by the way, speaking since you spoke up, broke up, brought up, Ryan

27:11 earlier the month of January was the 20th anniversary of his father's death.

27:16 Really? And so that's a very quick 20 years.

27:19 In my mind, it's hard for me to believe it's been 20 years.

27:21 I you know, we deal with a lot of superlatives

27:25 and a lot of big statements in life and all rocks.

27:28 And this never this and never that.

27:30 And, you know, there's never going to be anything like Will McDonough

27:32 in Boston sports journalism, that there was a certain

27:36 entree ability that he had that none of us have ever had,

27:41 that there's something that he he he connected with those jocks.

27:47 And I mean, whether they were players, coaches or front office people

27:51 in a way that no writer in my 55 year experience

27:55 with in Boston journalism has ever done.

27:59 And, you know, he was remarkable.

28:02 I'm just glad he he played for our team.

28:04 I hate to have played against him if I were the herald or the ledger

28:07 or anybody else. I'll tell you that.

28:08 So so my thoughts go out to Ryan and his and his family,

28:14 you know, with the voice.

28:15 Well, the one McDonough story that I love is in that it was either you or Shaughnessy.

28:20 I mean, all of you all of.

28:21 I mean, that globe back when people went into the office.

28:25 Yeah. You know, you, McMullin, Shaughnessy, Ryan,

28:29 I McDonough.

28:32 Leigh Monville, you know, the list goes on and on.

28:36 You were Franny Rosa, Kevin Paul, DuPont, you know, Borgia.

28:39 I mean, all you guys, you know, will the theater, the phone would ring.

28:43 You know, it'd be like, you know, Al Davis.

28:46 And it's a, you know, hang on.

28:48 You know, I'm talking to red, you know, tell Al.

28:51 You know, I got to go. I tell all I'm coming back.

28:54 I'm talking to red.

28:55 My cubicle was next to his for many years.

28:58 And my favorite part of the year was when the playoffs came in football

29:02 and really always did a preview stories, you know, on the teams

29:06 that were in the playoffs.

29:07 And he did it by calling up the general managers of players, teams

29:10 to play against them to get their evaluation.

29:13 And he could use it, among other things.

29:14 And and I can still hear him with guys.

29:18 He got a phone and we talked about Al Davis.

29:20 I'll give you another like Davis story in a minute.

29:22 And it's, hey, how's that juggernaut of yours?

29:23 You know, and oh, I love to hear in the one.

29:27 I only heard the one side of the conversations,

29:29 but they were priceless to hear, you know.

29:31 Also, I I heard him one day.

29:35 You know, he didn't get along with Billy Sullivan at all.

29:37 And they hated him. Right.

29:39 And and I actually heard this out of one day

29:42 when he said to Billy Sullivan on the phone, he said, when you die,

29:46 I'm going to be in the long list of people waiting to stand and piss on your grave.

29:49 So but that was one thing that Al David, when I first in 1976,

29:56 I was covering the baseball meetings in Los Angeles and the Celtics.

29:59 I mean, Patriots were playing the famous game against the Raiders in Oakland.

30:03 And and I was sent up to cover to do a sidebar.

30:06 I hadn't been to a game all year.

30:09 I had not been to a game.

30:10 Was that the one where Millon hit Sullivan?

30:12 No, that's the one that 70 that was the thing to pass her.

30:15 That's the Ben Jones game. Yeah.

30:17 So so. I had to get out Davis

30:20 for a preview story or something.

30:23 And anyway, my entree was to the secretary.

30:27 I'm a friend of Will McDonough's and picked up the phone right away.

30:30 Oh, yeah. I was a friend of Will McDonough's.

30:32 That was that's I was all the only entree that I needed without Davis.

30:35 But but he was friendly with me.

30:38 He played back and forth with Red.

30:39 He was very friendly with Joe Cronin.

30:41 It was very I mean, and of course, Parcells, they were like,

30:45 oh, yeah, they were buddies.

30:46 Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, you could go back to and we're getting off the NBA topic.

30:51 Yeah, we are. That's right.

30:52 I'll say one more thing.

30:54 You know, maybe this is an overstatement, I don't know.

30:59 The success of the AFL

31:03 and the success of pro football in general had a lot to do with will.

31:07 Well, well, I think because I mean, he was the first real pundit

31:13 that would come out.

31:15 I mean, you know, on it.

31:16 Well, first of all, he made all you guys a lot of money by being on TV first.

31:20 OK, you know, by going on the NBC thing.

31:22 But like, well, like the AFL, I mean, I would think,

31:26 you know, like he was tight with Davis and stuff.

31:29 And I had heard he had a job offers to go to work for teams.

31:31 You know, I wasn't around then.

31:33 But, you know, to have somebody about Willie in an AFL city,

31:36 I would have thought was very beneficial to the to the concert, to the league.

31:39 Yeah, I'm sure it was.

31:41 No, he was he had he had a clout that extended definitely a tentacles.

31:45 No question. Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

31:46 So anyways, right. Check it out on NBA dot com.

31:49 Ryan spells that out.

31:50 OK, final question. Final thing here.

31:52 You don't have some had his number 40 retired by the Miami Heat.

31:59 Now, you don't have some average seven point six points for game

32:02 six point six rebounds per game.

32:04 I love the fact that this guy's number is being retired.

32:07 Now, people in Boston or elsewhere have said that the Celtics

32:12 should be criticized by having so many numbers up there. Right.

32:15 And I understand it.

32:16 I mean, I see the point.

32:18 But when I saw Haslam, I was like, good for them.

32:21 It reminded me of Nelly's number going up somewhere.

32:24 Big Jim Luskatoff is smiling.

32:27 You know, I just thought it was a good gesture by the Heat.

32:30 He does has spent his entire NBA career in Miami.

32:34 It began in 0304.

32:36 After his first year out of college, he went to France since

32:40 2014, 15.

32:44 Since then, at age 34, here he is his games per year played.

32:48 You ready? 37, 16, 14, 10,

32:53 four, one, 13 and seven.

32:56 They kept him in uniform as a 12th man for eight years.

33:00 And because of his contributions off the court

33:04 and his mentorship, they felt that that 12th spot

33:09 was that was important enough to keep it for him.

33:13 It will never be so retired at age 42.

33:15 We'll never see anything.

33:17 Obviously, that was a unique circumstance.

33:19 Good for them is right.

33:20 He was the fabric, part of the fabric of Miami basketball

33:23 for 20 over 20 years.

33:26 And, you know, I go back.

33:28 I remember, you know, he was what they.

33:32 Well, seeing him in the NCAA tournament in 2000.

33:36 That that that cues, right?

33:39 He played a great game as a freshman in a losing effort

33:42 against Michigan State in the 2000 finals.

33:44 And that's how far back it goes.

33:48 But yeah, good for them.

33:50 That's I think it's wonderful.

33:50 So who is the next Celtic number to go up?

33:53 It's a good one.

33:58 Well, you know, we obviously we know eventually that, you know, we got

34:01 we got guys now we know that. Oh, sure.

34:03 We got guys. Yeah.

34:04 But but I don't think I don't think who's been left out.

34:07 You know, you did the standards they have.

34:11 They said they lowered you know, they lowered the bar many years ago,

34:15 frankly, and as an

34:18 kind of overdid it.

34:19 And and now they're stuck with if he's in, why not him?

34:22 And and I don't know.

34:23 I got one guy.

34:25 I don't want to put anybody down.

34:26 I got one guy.

34:27 Because I have to make sure that I I was very happy to see Max's number

34:31 go up finally.

34:34 I think they should retire age.

34:36 Well, as a player and as a GM.

34:39 Well, yeah, I see if you go as right, if you justify it on that basis easily.

34:43 It's a it's a yes.

34:46 That the combination they should combination of there's nobody else.

34:50 Because look, here's the thing, you know, age is a player.

34:53 Two titles, correct?

34:54 Eighty forty six. Eighty four and eighty six.

34:56 Yeah. OK, so two titles.

34:58 And when he came back to run the team, things changed.

35:02 And I don't know if Garnett comes here.

35:05 Like I remember I was I was doing the Celtics pregame.

35:07 I remember talking to Danny.

35:09 And when they made the Ray Allen deal, you know, Danny said to me, he goes,

35:12 I'm not done. Right.

35:14 And they tried to get get our net.

35:16 You know, and Garnett had concerns about the team and the city and so forth.

35:20 When the Ray Allen deal got done, Danny knew if I can get this done.

35:24 That's another chip.

35:25 And he stayed on Kevin, stayed on Kevin, stayed on Kevin.

35:28 And I think he was telling Donnie Marshall, you know, we're not done.

35:33 We're still in the hunt, you know, and I don't know if they get Garnett

35:36 without Danny H.

35:37 Now, that's a very good point.

35:39 People should remember that two games of pivotal games in their history

35:42 that Danny H. played a vital part.

35:44 And that was an eighty four game seven.

35:47 Danny H. gave him a spark in the second quarter.

35:49 That that wasn't a great game, by the way.

35:51 The series was great, but it didn't.

35:53 But this game seven wasn't a great game.

35:56 It was, you know, that.

35:57 But Danny was comes to came off the bench and gave a big spark in that game.

36:00 They needed it at that point.

36:02 They weren't really going that great at that moment.

36:04 And and then in the Jordan sixty three point game, Danny had twenty five points

36:08 and came on it.

36:09 And believe me, of all the people that guarded Michael,

36:12 which includes everybody but the spider, you know, the janitor,

36:15 that he got him the best that day.

36:18 He at least neutralized him to a degree for for some minutes when he.

36:22 Now, so just remember this great contribution to those two.

36:26 And quite frankly, I think that he had who knew what was going to happen

36:29 with Kyrie, right? I mean, who knew?

36:32 And I think he takes heat for that unjustifiably.

36:36 I thought it was the right move to make.

36:39 I thought it was well, I didn't see the risk at all.

36:42 I thought, oh, you got to live with him to understand it, you know.

36:45 And and I mean, Kyrie, we didn't.

36:48 And if you don't live with him, you don't understand.

36:49 Oh, no. Right. Right.

36:50 I mean, because I will say this.

36:52 He's one of the handful of gifted talents that ever played guard in the NBA.

36:57 To this day, he was doing lately.

36:59 He's on a big roll averaging over 30 in the last.

37:01 I know that's the first.

37:03 You know, he's got talent up the ass and he's extraordinarily talented.

37:07 He's a very complicated human being.

37:09 I won't. You know, that's as far as I'll go.

37:11 That is undeniable.

37:13 He's a complicated human being and to a higher degree than many other people.

37:18 And and he's a handful to have on your roster and in your organization.

37:22 But boy, when that game starts, he can play.

37:25 You know, I so I thought that was

37:28 I still give Danny credit for making the move.

37:31 Yeah, I just do.

37:32 Oh, no, Danny.

37:33 You know, I do.

37:35 All right, Bob.

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37:58 I do. Yeah, I do, too.

37:59 I think the Tigers got pulled themselves together in time to beat the Packers.

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