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Bob Ryan sits down with Gary Tanguay to tackle the biggest stories of the week across the NBA including Ja Morant's injury, Jrue Holiday's newfound role with the Celtics, some questionable officiating, the Knicks putting a win streak together, and much more!      This episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman Podcast is brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. Right now, NEW customers get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS with any winning FIVE DOLLAR MONEYLINE BET! So, visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season. FanDuel, Official Partner of the NFL. 21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $5 pregame moneyline wager required. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.

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00:00 the next one. It's time for the Bob Ryan and Gary Tangler Zoom and Pod. And we are brought

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00:49 start with the Memphis Grizzlies and such a disappointment, first of all, that John Moran

00:53 is done for the season. What do you think his future is? He's still young, obviously,

00:59 and his talent is unlimited. His ceiling is very high. He'll bounce back, I think. I like to think

01:08 he had learned something from his suspension and the reason for it. And he's growing and maturing,

01:13 I'd like to think. I can't verify that. But he came back with his skills intact,

01:21 and now he gets hurt. So I mean, I was just thinking as we were preparing, what a disastrous

01:26 like 18 months or, you know, just, you know, the guy was riding the top of the world. He was young,

01:30 it was everything was going his way. The team was improving. They were, they were in the middle. I

01:35 mean, they weren't going to win a championship, but they were a playoff level team. And, you know,

01:40 with Jackson Jr. is really good. And Damon Bain, who had 32 last night, right, is really good. And,

01:47 you know, and, and the coach, I think, is respected, and they're good. So future,

01:53 he's still young enough to bounce completely back. So I can say,

01:57 and then you had Marcus and last night, and Marcus was feeling it, having another game. Marcus was

02:05 had 23 and 21 minutes. When he got hurt, he made four threes again. Now we know how streaky is on

02:11 threes. Yes, we do. But this is the guy. This is a really useful player when he's when he's

02:20 combining all the night in night out defense and, and, you know, and unpredictable stuff that he

02:25 does. And that disrupts teams with with with legitimate offense. And so but their season is,

02:32 is just blown up in their face now, without without without

02:36 Well, it's too bad, because I look at Memphis as one of those teams I want to watch. You're right,

02:40 they're not going to win the title. And I think as the season progresses, you're looking at the

02:44 Celtics, you're looking at Denver, you like Philly, I still think it's an outside shot,

02:48 but you never know. But I look in Milwaukee, I don't think okay, see is there yet, I think that,

02:56 you know, but I think it's there's really three teams that could win it, my opinion at this time.

03:00 But there's a ton of teams you want to watch. And Memphis was one of those teams. Now,

03:06 maybe without Moran for the rest of the season. You want to see Marcus if the fingers, okay,

03:12 you want to see Bain, you know, a lot of young players in the league, San Antonio is worth

03:17 watching, you know, okay, see certainly worth watching, you know, Orlando, Orlando, you're like,

03:23 right. I like those young players, you know, WWS worth watching, and Sacramento. Oh, yeah,

03:31 let's talk about them. I know you want to bonus. I'm such a suck up to Sabonis the whole family.

03:36 Let me run the stats 37 points, 13 assists, 10 rebounds. The Kings were down by 20 in the first

03:42 quarter. Then they led by 15 in the third. The Pistons have this problem, right? Because that's

03:48 what happened with the Celtics. The Celtics were down by one. Yeah, yeah. So this is this happens

03:54 to the Pistons all the time. This game. We know that the NBA can be a game of runs. People say

04:01 it all the time. But this is this is to the ultimate extreme of any. I mean, just got to go

04:06 out there. They were down 20 in the first they're up 15 in the third Kings. And there's a 35 point

04:13 swing. They lost the lead completely. And they want to win it by 21. Right? I mean, I'm gonna

04:21 I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going to Ralph Brampton here. I crammed in here. But yeah, but my my

04:28 guy Sabonis, I just totally loved his game. But the first time I ever laid eyes on him in a Gonzaga

04:33 uniform on television, I said, Oh, my God, the kid can play. And of course, Daddy was one of the

04:37 greatest clinicians ever. And, and, of course, I keep reminding people, we never saw the best of

04:46 our beta Sabonis. Because by the time he was, he had several injuries and a couple of that's a vodka

04:53 away ago when we got over here, but he could play this game. And, and the kid is wonderful. So

05:00 anyway, Sacramento Scott, he got they got Fox, they got monk, you know, they got they got people

05:05 that they're a fun team to watch. I mean, if you're if you're a true basketball fan, right,

05:10 you're a true basketball fan, you have to love the European game and what they bring. And we've seen

05:14 it with the I mean, you mentioned the other day, I think you and Jeff were taking if you had the

05:18 international all stars against the States, you know, they I'll give you a sneak stay tuned. You

05:26 might be reading something about that in the near future. I'll just really is that a little preview

05:30 to the old wink wink. Okay, wink, wink, keep your eyes open. You might see something about that in

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06:15 So some notes on the Celtics here and it's the Celtics it's very hard. And believe me, we've

06:29 tried to find criticisms or faux pas or flaws, you know, like what I work on. And it's, you know,

06:38 we've talked about maybe they make a deal in a month, you know, February, the beginning of

06:42 February, maybe they do, maybe they don't, you know, we'd still like to see him get a big man.

06:46 But, you know, I want to talk about Borzingas and his comments on Drew Holiday. He said, quote,

06:51 he deserves the most credit. He has sacrificed the most. And I think for those of us who didn't

07:00 see Drew Holiday play every day with Milwaukee when they won the championship, I mean,

07:06 correct me if I'm wrong, but it was basically the freak then Holiday, right?

07:09 Yes. Okay, now it's Tatum, Brown, Porzingis,

07:14 White, then Holiday. And this guy has no problem with it.

07:19 No, no, really, he is the fifth thought of many nights for all of us and then advance.

07:26 And obviously, this is a very interesting observation from an insider, a teammate.

07:32 I arched an eyebrow when I read it this morning. And not in disapproval or dismay, just oh, man,

07:39 that's a pretty strong endorsement because I think, you know, Porzingis is a very stable,

07:44 you know, very sound thinking young man. Yeah, that was really impressive, really impressive.

07:49 I have to tell you, Garrett, he kind of flew under the radar for me from the beginning. You know,

07:56 that he was I knew he was a good player. I remember UCLA, you know, and all that. And

08:00 that the brothers, you know, the holiday brothers and all that stuff. But and I didn't appreciate

08:04 how good he really was. And in Milwaukee, even last year, and then when people are reading more

08:15 and more praise about how good he is, and we he felt and you know, this is the ultimate fell out

08:20 of the sky if ever, all the Celtic history of transactions, you know, there have been lucky

08:26 things like Don Nelson, you know, for $1,000, you know, okay, waiver wire, whatever, whatever it

08:31 was, maybe even $100. And I read and read what Whitman Yeah, well, Whitman. Yeah, they got what

08:38 man I didn't know what they had to give up or whatever. So I'm a free agent. But the idea,

08:43 the only reason that he is in a Celtic uniform is because Damien Willard held his breath until

08:51 he turned blue and got himself in Portland. This only reason that the Celtics were in any position

08:57 or anybody was in any position to get him. And boy, it's the luckiest break of that type in

09:04 franchise history. They can't take credit for it. They fell out of the sky. All right, so we have

09:10 them. And aren't we happy to have and you know, this, this, this team has really got some, I mean,

09:17 stable individuals, let's face it, you know, white, very mature. And of course, Al, and you

09:23 know, Jalen Brown, who, and we know his future isn't in basketball, you know, when he's done,

09:28 he's got to go save the world, you know, somehow, some way. Oh, sure. No doubt. I mean, you know,

09:33 so anyway, it must be a real relief and pleasure to coach them. They not have to deal with drama.

09:42 Oh, Missoula must be like, I've died and gone to heaven. I mean, it must be guys in around the

09:47 league looking at him and say that lucky son of a bitch. He doesn't have the problem I got with

09:51 with in my locker room. Now, maybe we're naive, and we don't know what's really going on. But I

09:55 think I think it's a very safe observation. So yeah, that they've got, they got all kinds of

10:02 adults in the room. Joe, listen, I mean, we've we've talked about how Joe has the second season

10:08 under his belt. Now he's more comfortable. But he's just got better players to work with. Yeah,

10:15 players don't work for him. They work with him. People have spoken about he's spoken about how

10:19 he sits down with a player and he asked them. He sits down, he'll talk to Okay, I mean, red did

10:25 that. I mean, Bob, you could talk about that the best coaches ask the players, you know, Russ,

10:29 what do you think? When he sits down with holiday and says, Okay, what do you know? What do you

10:36 think? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What do you think? No, it's not really. It's really true. It's really

10:41 very good. So it do you have a red story about that? Like, maybe? I think more about Russell,

10:49 when he coached, of course, he was a player coach, which means you have help. And this is before they

10:54 had assistance member, right in the blue Russell era. And when and when he coached, and anybody who

11:00 was a player coach, there had been a couple of others. You were your support group where your

11:07 veterans and your your your, your trainer, I think Joe, I think that, you know, buddy, ruin,

11:13 and Joe DeLorean, they kept tracking a files. Russ Bailey's got three, you know, Oh, nice. Okay.

11:22 You know, seriously. And we know that when in that late stage in that in your era of late 60s,

11:29 that supposedly the de facto offensive coordinator was Larry Sink read. And, and, you know, and but

11:35 anybody could make a suggestion. Now, Russell didn't need any help on the defense. We know that

11:40 but but offensive, he was willing to tell me what you think, what do you think of the play?

11:43 What do you think we can do a better play? Oh, yeah. That's, that's the way that was. No,

11:49 red red was a smart people person when was, you know, red, of course, he was a tactician. But we

11:54 all know he had famous seven basic plays and options. And, and his ideal world of basketball,

12:00 you'd never want to play, you'd have you fast break all night long, every single day transition

12:05 and his ideal, you know, world. But he was about people, and how he handled them. And

12:11 he didn't like that word, how he worked with them, you know, and he, he treated any reacted and

12:18 responded to Russell one way, Heintz and another way and Charmin another way, Guzi another way,

12:23 you know, and how much I thought a lot that was, that was Red's great genius.

12:26 Missoula is doing the same thing. And if you look at all the great coaches, Phil Jackson,

12:32 red are back Jackson, Jackson's the same way and out the books. Right? I mean, you know,

12:39 the triangle offense. Thanks, Tex. Okay, that's text. Yeah, now, now how do I handle all of this?

12:45 And I think, who's the quote? I was reading Oh, Vince Lombardi, they had that in the globe the

12:53 other day, you know, the old Vince Lombardi, like, it's not about the X's and O's, man.

12:57 It's about how you handle the handle, right? You didn't like that word. It's about how you relate

13:02 to the players and the people. And even the Packers, what had what five plays?

13:06 Well, the power that power play that off tackle, right? Yeah.

13:14 And then every about an embark with though about 12 passes a game, you know, maybe,

13:19 we know what's coming. Stop it. Yeah, right. Yeah. Student body weight. They said,

13:27 at SC member that yeah, yeah, student body, right. So let's stop. But anyway, so Joe has a great job

13:33 is always got a nice situation here. The is probably the envy, the envy of the league and

13:40 but I'll say, we're talking about teams to watch, right? And the team they just played,

13:46 gave him a hard time gives him a hard time, Indiana. Now they as a rule, they got a guy on

13:51 a team that is I'm glad that there's a play room in the league for somebody like this. TJ O'Connell.

13:58 Yeah, he messes around. He makes he gets in your way. He bothers you. He does. This is what

14:04 Branson was kind of like, I thought, but this guy even more so, you know, I love it that there's,

14:10 you know, there's a role, there's a place for somebody like that, to a degree. Now he's not

14:15 scrapped as a scrappy our guy, Richard, you know, has nights when he, you know, he, he sneaks in for

14:20 offensive rebounds. And how do you get that, you know, they all go on the floor. And of course,

14:25 you know, he's raised on detritus to make threes, we know that, but he can do more than that.

14:29 Right. So it's going to get he's going to have a long shelf life, you know, in the league.

14:34 He won't probably he won't be a Celtic wafer, but but he'll be he'll be in the league,

14:37 he'll have a nice career. And guys like that, there's still room for him.

14:42 Good. I think in a second Indiana game, like Jalen at 40, you know, Tatum get some rest.

14:47 And Joe has said, that's what he's going to do. And, you know, they still almost won the game.

14:51 I mean, there's some questionable calls at the end. Oh, well, that's let's get to that. Yeah,

14:55 let's get to that. But before we you tell me how you want to answer this, because I wrote all of

15:02 this down. On those calls, like the Porzingis call, they said should have been a non call,

15:08 I believe. And that ended up going in and going to the foul line and winning the game.

15:12 So after we'll get to that, but after the game, you get the NBA releases the final two minutes

15:18 and critiques the ref. Right? Yes, they admit that they got all the calls, they admit what they got

15:25 right and what they got wrong. I don't. Yes, I don't like that. Thank you. I don't get the point

15:32 for public consumption. I don't think there should be an internal review. They want to keep track,

15:39 you know, you know, they want to review the refs, they want us monitor them, they,

15:42 they know you want to. And if there's a learning tool that they can use to, to, you know, try to

15:50 help referees make better decisions, you know, in the future, or find out, you know, who screws up

15:58 and who doesn't, that's fine. They should be able to do that. But releasing it to the public and for

16:03 the teams to stew on it. So what what is what good is it going to do? No, no, Missoula right now?

16:10 No, or tomorrow morning or the day after? What good is it going to do? They lost the game.

16:15 They blew the call. Somewhere down the road, they'll be the beneficiary of it. You know,

16:19 it that's the way it is. And they'll get the call. And it probably already had a couple we

16:24 haven't even thought about, you know, you know, what's the point? I agree. And when I read it,

16:30 you know, in the three plays that it'd be in the game was the poor Zingas shouldn't have

16:36 been called for a foul. Oh, heels block on on Brown. So, you know, they said that was clean,

16:45 because it was incidental contact on the top of the head. Then miles Turner should have been called

16:48 for any legal screen. That's my God. I'm sitting here and I'm reading this. And I'm like, we're

16:54 gonna second guess at a legal screen. I mean, for God's sakes. I'm with you, Bob. I mean, it takes

17:01 the power away from the play. It takes a power away from the ref. It hurts your credibility.

17:06 And you know what I say to the Celtics? You know, score more points. You're so damn good right now.

17:11 I mean, if you're gonna sit here bitch about one call, I mean, you didn't have your guy,

17:16 but their guy Halliburton got hurt. So I had a little game, and it came down to the end. But

17:20 I hate it. I hate it. When I first started doing it, I said, What is what is this?

17:26 Oh, it's it's only about how many few years old, right? Two or three years old, maybe they've been

17:32 doing this. I mean, screens were breaking down screens. Forget it. I remember I used to rail 50

17:40 years ago, literally about Will's read. I thought he said a lot of illegal screens, but that's okay.

17:45 That's what I mean. You know, I was, I was young and impassioned. Yeah, well, that's all right.

17:51 But I would get a Hall of Famer there. But I was just like, So what did you think overall? So last

17:56 night with the game? I mean, do you sit there and you look okay? Well, it was a bad column for

18:01 Zingas. That's why they lost the game. Now you try to remember that there's so many things you

18:08 shouldn't be in that position kind of thing. You know, that's what I learned a long time ago when

18:13 I realized, you know, we can see bad calls at the end. And you say, Well, but you put just if you

18:17 put yourself in a position you shouldn't have been in, you know, then you don't have a right to

18:22 complain. That's the way I look at it. But there are times when, you know, it's really egregious.

18:26 And, and, you know, it's going to happen. They're human beings. They're going to blow calls and

18:32 just hope that they're not in the seventh, you know, the final minute of the game seven of the

18:36 playoffs that they have to, you know, that they have to make those kind of decisions. But no,

18:40 no, I used to be more passionate about it. But that was a long time ago. You know, I've seen too

18:46 much. And I understand, I think the kind, you know, the reality of the situation, but the number one,

18:51 the rule by will with them, did you put yourself in a position that you didn't need to be in?

18:56 If you did, then, you know, sorry. Right? I'm with you. Yeah, I want to go back. Can I go back to

19:02 holiday? Because he talked about Missoula using him in the middle of a two one, two. Yeah. So

19:12 that's interesting. So let's break that down. Because he communicates with the people in front

19:17 of him. And the people in the back of them communicate with him. To me, he's kind of like

19:22 a free safety, right? Where he's on the ball? Yeah, no, well, I think you want a guy that's

19:28 got great instincts in that regard. And you know, two one, two, the two most prevalent high school

19:33 zones are two, three and two one, two. And I always thought that two one, two, you should have

19:38 a big you would have a relative a bigger guy than him. You know, right? In the middle of that, yeah,

19:43 you'd want a bigger guy. So that that intrigued I got my attention right away, because I said,

19:48 wow, you know, usually, I mean, it did the two one, two with the guy, the one might be your

19:54 biggest man. And at times, depending on his agility, you know, and this is lateral mobility,

20:00 but but but interesting that, you know, it would, you know, in other words, you thought it might be

20:04 cuz Ingus in the two one, two, and the back guys would be Tatum and Brown or who is on the floor,

20:10 Alan him? No, anyway, interesting. I'm gonna keep an eye out for this now. You know, because I have

20:16 to say one thing that I don't keep an eye out for very often is, is if is switching defenses in the

20:21 NBA, you know, you see it college every night, that's different. But you know, the fact that you

20:26 can use zones and zones have been a problem for the Celtics. It'd be nice. Wouldn't it be interesting

20:31 if it turns out to be an asset, because it has not been since the rule was instituted, that I

20:35 can say that they've never been good use of the zone, and they've been hurt by the zones. And so

20:41 this is interesting. I like this. I mean, I can something else to focus on. What do you think of

20:46 white in holiday as a defensive backcourt? I don't know who's better on paper, what I have to

20:53 think about, I have to go examine, like, teams plus teams. It's awful good. And, you know, they're

21:00 both surprisingly good, I think. I mean, we just don't focus on that. You know what I mean? Yeah,

21:04 no, they are. They're they these are, these are pros. They're not perfect. You know, obviously,

21:10 guys can score against them. But but white, particularly that this shot block thing is just

21:16 blows my mind. Him. Yeah, what he's done this year, we're blocking shots out of the position

21:23 out of the guard position. But no, it's good. They're in good hands. Obviously, I don't know

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22:55 Robert, you have been on the Knicks trade. That trade that they made, you were the only one that

23:04 was on it. They won five in a row. They've not just won five in a row, Gary. The margins of

23:12 victory in this order of those five games, six, 16, 36, 16, 28. They're beating the last one of

23:25 the last five games by 20 points a game. And Ananobi, well, he was last, you know, he was hot.

23:32 Last night he was hot. He had 23. He's at 17, 11, 11, 9, 23. But you know, he was obtained because

23:39 he was, they wanted to improve their defense. And they're getting a bonus with him as a three point

23:44 shooter as well. But he's, you know, he didn't even have, he started immediately, by the way,

23:48 there wasn't even a without even a practice, you know, he still goes into the lineup.

23:52 Now, I'm not going to say it's equivalent. But, you know, being historically minded,

24:00 I'm a history major, you know, I'm being historically minded. First thing I thought of

24:05 was a the most significant in season trade in the Knick history, which was obtaining Dave

24:11 DeBusch a few days before Christmas in 1968, and set in motion a six year run of the Knicks winning

24:18 two championships and losing in the finals. And, and I'm not saying he's going to have that kind

24:26 of effect, you know, of a Hall of Famer. But it is the most significant instant, you know,

24:34 shot of adrenaline that that that Knicks have had since 1968. That's, I mean, this is a and,

24:41 and by the way, Toronto's happy with the trade on their end. They're happy already. Barrett,

24:46 you know, Barrett's going home, you know, he's a he's a Canadian. He may even be a Torontonian.

24:51 I'm not sure about that. But and and quickly, who you know, last year was the you know, the

24:56 favorite son is well off to a good start with them. They're happy. So yeah, they're both both

25:04 teams are smiling with the hey, didn't we do a good job? So that good fam.

25:08 Right? Do you put the Knicks in the Orlando OKC category?

25:12 Well, if they're going to win, win by 20 points, again, they elevated themselves clearly. And I

25:19 think their self their self confidence, their confidence and their self esteem. That's the word

25:26 I'm saying is shot up dramatically in in last, you know, since in these games, how could it not?

25:33 And I've said all along, I've always said I'm not alone. I'm one of the many to say

25:39 it's good for the league to have the Knicks good. Oh, no doubt. Oh, good. And any sport,

25:45 it's good, but it's good. And it's particularly good in the NBA because New York is a polarizing

25:50 entity in all things. So now you're going to have people that, you know, that go hate the Knicks,

25:55 but they're going to watch them to hate them as well as the people. Yeah, I mean, you know,

26:00 there is too much. There is no more loyal. Maybe you can give me a couple of equals, but nobody

26:09 there's no more loyal fandom than the Knicks who have suffered, you know, now for one playoff

26:16 victory since 1999. You know, when one one, I think, and whatever it is, it's bad. And they

26:23 keep coming, spending that money, and it's money. And they keep coming and God love them. So

26:31 they deserve something good to root for. So I'll tell you, I'll tell you this. In all my experience,

26:38 there was nothing quite. It was a special flavor about it. The most interesting rivalry and moments

26:45 to go to the Boston Garden and all my time with the early 70s when the Knicks were good and the

26:49 Celtics were good. And, and this garden wasn't selling out every night in those days. And the

26:55 Knicks fans that you would have at least one third of the building would be because they were all

27:01 these New York college kids from BU and Northeastern and BC and Jersey and that we're going

27:08 to, you know, the cheer for the Knicks. And it was like a college atmosphere was it was just electric.

27:13 It was wonderful. Anyway, I welcome the Knicks into the into the hunt. Okay, I welcome them into

27:18 the hunt. So are the Knicks your favorite visiting team since you've been covering the Celtics?

27:25 Um, the that's a very good question. You know, this, the Philly rivalry was great in the bird,

27:32 you know, Oh, yeah. And certainly a game seven and 81 was, I say, the most emotional game I've

27:41 ever covered in the end and all those years and nothing quite like it. That was good. The Lakers,

27:47 of course, away. So, right. You know, I mean, I, but I don't want people to forget that people know,

27:53 you know, they associate, you know, the quiz now time so much time is elapsed since the Knicks have

27:57 been, you know, you know, whereas people are more willing to remember, there's more people can

28:02 remember when the Celtics and the Lakers were the item. So they're in there. It was good. I don't

28:07 want people, you know, I want people to know how great that was. And it would be cool if we could

28:10 ever well, you're not going to have that kind of atmosphere because now they sell Excel out.

28:15 Those tickets aren't available that were available 50 years ago, but you still would have a real buzz

28:20 if the Knicks were good. Yeah. But whenever you have Boston, New York, it's good for business.

28:25 Yeah, it is. And that's good to have New York good and, and, and any, and anything. So this is good.

28:31 Now we'll see if this is sustainable. But once again, Brunson, no Brunson and continues to,

28:37 you know, prove that he's an all-star and, and, and Randall, there's such controversy about Randall,

28:42 but boy, he, some nights he's a, he's a beast. He's what do you think Tim's is doing? Right.

28:48 Well, he's always been a good, you know, defensive coach. I just think they've got enough,

28:54 have accumulated a better roster period. He's, he's, I don't think he's changed too much in any

29:02 way. He's going to do it his way. And, and, you know, he's a hard nose, relentless,

29:06 defensive oriented guy, but he just, he's been, he's got a long history now, man. He's got,

29:15 I mean, he's got, he's, he's become, he's come a long way since I see him state that he's,

29:20 I'll tell you that. So I remember him from Salem state. No, I learned about him after the fact

29:24 Harvard a little, not much, but, you know, I got to know him a little bit when he was here

29:31 and it is, you know, it's much more interesting guy to people, you know, people put them in a

29:36 stereotypical, you know, box. He's just a life where he should sleep on a couch and that,

29:40 right. You know, and, and he didn't mind projecting that image, but, but there's more to

29:44 him than that. He's a, he's a good person. Yeah. He's a very good person. I liked him when he was

29:49 with the Celtics and I liked the fact that he's finding success. And it seems to me the Knicks

29:53 like to play for him. Yep. You know, because guys, you know, I was just wondering if you learned a

29:59 little bit, you know, like Larry said, I mean, he was in Chicago for a while and ended up in the

30:03 Knicks, you know, Bird said three years, people are done listening to me. That's the biggest thing

30:07 with NBA coach. You know, you can be a hard ass, but man, you cannot burn out. You cannot burn

30:12 these guys out. Well, you know, that was it. That was, that, that, that became the Bill Fitch MO,

30:18 you know, it wasn't, I know, I know. Yeah. And, and, you know, we were talking earlier about

30:23 people person, you know, he didn't, he didn't bother too much with that. You know, he didn't

30:28 bother too much with that. And him was, it was about the X's and O's and, and I'm saying he was

30:33 a bad person. I liked him. We got along great, but you know, he wore, he wore a mountain. I, I

30:41 insist that by 1983, the only guy of consequence, he ended a bench didn't matter, but the only guy

30:48 of consequence who hadn't tuned him out was Larry. And, and there were ding dong,

30:52 the witch is dead was the feeling when, when he left and they got Casey, who they all loved.

30:58 Right. Everybody loved Casey and, and, you know, and Kumbaya, you know, guess what? Two rings in

31:03 three years. And, and you know, there was Casey definitely gets credit for that. And the fact

31:10 that they, he didn't know what to do with the 87 team when, when, when he needed to play kids,

31:15 he has to take the blame for that. So, yeah. Or the good, the great story is Larry starts to talk.

31:22 Casey says, hang on, Larry, I'm the coach. You do what Larry says. I love that story.

31:28 Before we let you go during our conversations, I always love to get out of memory lane.

31:35 You mentioned like the, the, the Zigfried and, and, and the different personalities on that team

31:40 that was coached by Russell. Yes. Who had, I, whenever I think about that crew, I always think

31:45 of like John Havlicek, who was my favorite player of all time. He was my hero. I worshipped him,

31:49 but I always remember that like John had to have hangers home. I was told like in a certain way,

31:54 like he, you know, and then, you know, in that, then he had another guy like Cowens who was like,

31:59 just, you know, a wreck, you know, but like, who is the most intriguing personality of, of that

32:08 group, that group. Yeah. That's a very good question. And, and I think Satch might be the

32:16 answer. My everlasting image, two things. He, he kept the adhesive tape industry in business all

32:24 by himself. He famously had the most heavily taped ankles in the history of mankind. I saw it. I mean,

32:33 it was just couldn't believe. The other thing is on the road, he did all his reading on the road

32:40 because he had so much going on with business opportunities at home. He didn't have time for

32:45 it, but I, my everlasting image of Satch is while he's getting taped, he's reading a paperback

32:51 on the training table. And, and, and he, he read incessantly on the plane and on, on, on,

32:58 and took his book right into the locker room and read while I was getting taped,

33:01 read before again. And, you know, an erudite and I go to a radio announcer voice, Satch, you know,

33:07 Oh yeah. Professor, very professorial. Oh, very erudite man, professorial, whatever word do it,

33:14 cerebral, but great sense of humor. And, and as well, just a class and, and just a warm embracing

33:22 person. Yeah. So he might be the answer to that in that group, the, the, the wacko, you know,

33:29 the high wire I covered. Well, I, it was one set of someone else in, in baseball that he's,

33:39 he makes coffee nervous. Well, that would have been, that would have been Larry Siegfried.

33:44 Siggy was a high wire guy, you know, and of course John was Mr. Unflappable. So the answer

33:52 to that, I would say is, is Satch. Yeah. That's a great answer. And it's also, I, you know,

33:58 if you did a comparison of the players from the sixties, fifties, sixties, even into the seventies,

34:06 because I don't, I mean, Tommy made a lot of money as an insurance guy. I think John was in the,

34:11 got into the candy business. A lot of guys had other jobs. I mean, I remember the great Rico

34:17 Petrucelli telling me that, you know, he was pumping, he was pumping gas in the off season

34:22 because he bought a gas station. I remember that happening. Yeah. He briefly got into the fast food

34:28 business. Yeah. And then he told me one time, God, I love that guy. He people didn't know,

34:35 but it was so cold out. And this was back when you had people coming out and pumping your gas,

34:39 he had a ski mask on and he's out like pumping gas. And yeah, how can I help you?

34:45 You know, I got into the funeral homes, I believe are nursing homes, right? So nursing homes.

34:51 Now you do have play Dawson's in the field when you have players like today, like LeBron,

34:58 who's in the movies, you know, or things like that, but that's what they're interested in.

35:01 They don't need the money. I think what made players interesting, they needed the money.

35:09 They needed a second job. Cousin had a gas station. He needed a cousin in the back early 50s. And

35:15 Charmin, they got into the business there briefly there. Oh, yeah, they all needed a job.

35:19 Famous, they all needed to get jobs and the off season. And in the football,

35:25 Johnny Unitas supposedly laid the floors for about half his team in the off season. Right?

35:30 Yeah, that's what I'm, you know, you read. So that the world is so entirely and utterly different in

35:36 so many ways, you know, and there's no, you know, the famous thing in the playoffs would come and

35:41 Ramsey would supposedly write $5,000 on the blackboard, this or whatever the fuck some would

35:47 be, the share would be if they want. And, and, you know, that was supposed that was the incentives

35:53 was to carry them to the playoffs. And they could use that money. You know, there wasn't any joke

35:56 about it. I ran at 65, 66. So yeah, that's that's the world they came from. And I, you know, I,

36:03 I keep reminding people that when I covered the team in the early 70s, that they, they all parked

36:11 at the Hilton and got the van over there was a Hilton let them park there when they're going

36:16 on a trip. So I saved the parking fee at Logan, which was $5. Right? Yeah, well, that was $5.

36:23 They didn't have to spend. And it was not a joke. No, I mean, no, it's a different and I think I

36:30 had a paid $5. But now, you know, athletes, sometimes you're you're a sport. And I'm not

36:37 saying one way is better than the other. It's just now professional athletes, and they make a lot of

36:42 money and they deserve every dime. But they're kind of like it's like, it's about being that

36:48 player that persona all year round. Yeah, no, I mean, you can have other jobs, you know, you have

36:54 other interests and other investments. But, you know, if you're a good point, you know, Tommy

36:59 Heintz, he was playing today, he would be Tommy, he would be making a lot of money. And he'd be

37:05 making I don't know what we have $100 million contract or whatever. And he'd be Tommy Heintz.

37:10 And year round, he wouldn't be Tommy Heintz insurance sales. Well, you know what, it's the

37:14 I guess the word we're seeking was brand you you become a brand you become a brand. And you and

37:18 right, that's 12 months. That's 24 7365. Your brand. And that's, and that didn't exist. And

37:25 even like magic, like magic got involved and did very well business wise. But I think that magic

37:30 brand enabled that business to succeed. It was like magic to get in the business to make money.

37:37 The business brings me in because they need me as a brand. No, very good point. Absolutely. Yeah.

37:43 Interesting stuff, Bob. I love these chats. I gotta go get water out of my basement.

37:48 Well, I'm gonna check mine, but I'm usually pretty lucky there. Thanks.

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