00:00 Perfect. Mr. Busch, thank you so much for talking to DW.
00:03 Yesterday you announced a new cooperation with Amazon Web Services.
00:07 What is this cooperation about?
00:09 So, I mean, we have a long-term partnership with AWS,
00:13 also on their cloud services.
00:16 What we are going to do now is using their AI,
00:19 generative AI capabilities, which they have,
00:21 they have their own platform,
00:23 they can choose different large language models,
00:25 and we want to integrate them into our low-code software platform, Mendix.
00:32 So the idea is that with Mendix, everybody can program.
00:37 It's a drag and drop, so you don't need to really learn a programming language.
00:41 The problem is, how can you increase AI capabilities in your app?
00:46 And this goes now with a click.
00:48 You can choose the best one, or let AWS choose that one
00:51 which suits your application best,
00:53 and we integrate it and supercharge our low-code platform with this capability.
00:58 Big thing, I guess, and we hope that this hits the market very well.
01:02 What is "democratize artificial intelligence" for you?
01:05 What does it mean for you and for Siemens as a company?
01:08 So, the basic idea is that we want to get many, many more people
01:14 access to new technologies, any kind of technology,
01:17 automation technology, AI technologies,
01:20 without having a training, without being an expert on software development.
01:23 This is about democratizing.
01:25 So that means you have to lower the entry barrier
01:28 to people who have less experience, less knowledge on programming.
01:31 And that's what we do, for example, with our partnership with Microsoft.
01:34 We call it the "co-pilot," the industrial co-pilot.
01:38 And here, we really want to get a shop floor worker
01:42 to program the robots on the shop floor
01:45 in interacting with a machine in a natural language.
01:49 That's the power of generative AI, in combination with our technology.
01:52 AI is definitely the buzzword this year, C.S.
01:55 Everyone talks about AI.
01:57 Do you feel that it still needs to go from this metaverse
02:01 of talking about AI to actually see it in products?
02:05 You do see it already in products.
02:07 We're using AI technology already in our products.
02:10 The next thing is that you want to have it much, much easier to use,
02:15 for example, in programming, programming software,
02:19 for programmable controllers, for any kind of application.
02:22 And you do it with large language.
02:24 So then you just talk to your machine,
02:26 and the machine programs something for you.
02:28 Currently, it's still in a co-pilot version.
02:32 That means you always have the human in the loop
02:34 to make a final decision.
02:36 But as we go along, the integrity and the quality will go up,
02:40 so you really can have a release of a software programmed automatically.
02:44 And that's the big thing what you want to do.
02:46 This makes scaling technology much, much faster
02:50 and using the data in a much more meaningful way.
02:53 And a final question.
02:54 Do you have any concerns regarding AI,
02:56 seeing how quick this technology is developing?
02:59 Do you think that companies need to talk more about ethics
03:02 and how AI finally will shape everyone's lives?
03:05 Yes, absolutely.
03:06 Because, I mean, one magic thing about China AI is that it's a black box.
03:11 You get an outcome and you don't know how it comes,
03:14 but what's the reasoning for it?
03:16 So this is a little bit of anxiety which people have,
03:19 and you really have to be very, very careful about the ethics behind it.
03:22 So you have to explain to the people what's the reason for the result,
03:28 how you come to a result.
03:29 And, of course, you have to keep the quality level up.
03:31 So that means hallucinating in an industrial world is not an option.
03:36 So, therefore, we have to talk about it,
03:37 and we have to be very, very serious about bringing the value to our customers
03:43 and to the end customers without having any kind of anxieties on ethics.
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