LIVE Patriots Daily: Would Bill Belichick step down as GM? w/ Mike Kadlick

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00:00 (upbeat music)

00:02 - What's going on everyone?

00:13 Taylor Kyles here for CLNS Media,

00:16 bringing you another episode of Prats Daily,

00:18 brought to you by our friends at FanDuel and Seageek,

00:20 more from them later.

00:22 But the Patriots season has reached

00:24 its merciful conclusion.

00:26 They finished four and 13

00:28 after what was a bittersweet loss to the Jets.

00:31 You're sad that Matthew Slater and Bill Belichick,

00:34 maybe even David Andrews,

00:35 are potentially ending their Patriots tenures

00:38 on a sour note.

00:39 Obviously more on Belichick later.

00:41 But on the plus side,

00:43 they now have secured the third overall pick in the draft,

00:45 which pretty much guarantees

00:47 they'll be able to get one of the top quarterbacks,

00:48 whether it means moving up for somebody

00:50 or standing pat and waiting for somebody that they like,

00:53 if they like a lot of different people

00:55 to fall into their lap.

00:56 We're gonna discuss that.

00:57 But first, introduce my buddy,

01:00 family member at CLNS Media and WEEI's finest,

01:04 Mike Kadlik.

01:05 Mike, how you doing, brother?

01:06 - I'm good.

01:07 We're here, we're back.

01:08 The season came to an end today,

01:11 but we are already chopping up the off season.

01:13 We got plenty to get to, so thanks for having me.

01:15 I'm excited to do it.

01:16 We'll start this thing off right.

01:18 I was gonna say, I saw you earlier.

01:20 You know, all of us, all of our beef buddies said goodbye

01:23 as if it was the last day of school,

01:24 but now we're already back to it.

01:26 So it's like nothing changed.

01:26 - Let me see if I can bring up the picture

01:28 that we had real quick.

01:29 I'll show the screen so everybody can see

01:31 just how sweet it was.

01:34 So we talked to Belichick, we were there,

01:36 we were watching him on Zoom or whatever it was.

01:39 And then we went into the locker room,

01:41 we talked to some people, got some words.

01:43 And then here it is.

01:45 Look how adorable we are.

01:47 Look at that.

01:48 Just a couple of buddies

01:49 with the best damn job in the world.

01:52 - Bingo.

01:53 - I tried to get the lighthouse in there.

01:55 I couldn't, it was not gonna go.

01:56 But anyway.

01:57 - If you go to my page, you can see the lighthouse.

01:58 We said goodbye to the lighthouse for one last time

02:00 before they knock it down after this terrible season.

02:03 - The lighthouse that isn't technically a lighthouse,

02:06 but it's not here.

02:07 Okay, so like I said, Bill Belichick spoke to the media

02:11 for what's gonna be the last time this season.

02:13 He was surprisingly candid.

02:14 One, he acknowledged the fact that he has a contract.

02:17 Go figure.

02:18 He never talks about it,

02:19 never discloses anything about his contract,

02:21 but he did say he is still under contract for next season.

02:25 We knew it, but again, it was surprising to hear him say it.

02:29 Even more surprising was him acknowledging

02:31 that he would be willing to take a step back personnel wise.

02:35 He mentioned that he works with a lot of different people.

02:37 He's just a part of a bigger system.

02:40 But one thing I thought was interesting,

02:41 and I haven't seen this go around,

02:42 maybe I'm looking too much into it.

02:44 Maybe I misinterpreted,

02:46 but I also thought it was pretty interesting

02:48 that he noted that somebody has to have final say.

02:51 So to me, considering this is still Bill Belichick

02:53 we're talking about,

02:54 he was definitely more contrite than I expected.

02:56 And we've been talking about how

02:57 if there's any chance of him keeping his job,

02:59 he needs to go to Robert Kraft and be like,

03:01 "Yeah, I have to, I got a lot of things to fix."

03:03 He said, "There's a lot of things

03:05 "we got to fix moving forward."

03:06 But he did say, like I said,

03:08 "Somebody's gotta be the final say in these decisions,"

03:11 which is probably gonna be him.

03:12 So from your perspective,

03:15 what did you think of all the comments in general?

03:17 I want your broad thoughts,

03:18 but also what did you think of that part of the comment?

03:20 'Cause that was what really stuck with me.

03:22 - Yeah, the final say thing was interesting.

03:24 You're right.

03:25 I think a lot of people kind of brushed by that.

03:27 But as far as his comments in general,

03:29 I just, it really felt like, you know,

03:32 he was playing into the fact,

03:34 like you mentioned that he did have a contract.

03:36 He always says, he never talks about his contract.

03:38 He always says that's basically

03:40 whenever someone asks him about it,

03:41 it's none of our business

03:42 and that's between him and the organization.

03:44 But now when it comes down to it, the season's over.

03:48 He knows, the Krafts know,

03:50 everybody knows that a decision is, you know,

03:53 coming down the pipe for him with the franchise.

03:55 He now puts it out there that he's under contract.

03:57 So basically what that tells me is

03:59 he is going to play hardball with the Krafts

04:01 and he's not gonna take it lightly when they ask him,

04:06 you know, do you want to part ways?

04:07 Can we part ways?

04:08 If they do ask him that.

04:09 I think he wants the money that he's owed.

04:12 And I think that he doesn't want to part ways

04:16 and potentially give that up.

04:17 So by him saying that he's under contract,

04:19 that means that, no, if you want to get rid of me,

04:23 you're gonna have to fire me.

04:24 Otherwise I'm coming back to work tomorrow

04:26 and we're doing this whole thing again

04:27 because that's all I know.

04:29 He said it, you know, he mentioned his father

04:31 this morning when we talked to him,

04:33 saying that, you know, that was a lesson that I was taught

04:35 was that until somebody tells you to stop working

04:38 and you're under contract, you work for them.

04:40 And I see his point.

04:41 Like, I don't, what else is he supposed to do right now?

04:44 Like he is under contract

04:45 and he is owed a ton of money next season.

04:47 He has one of the more lucrative contracts in sports

04:50 and in sports history.

04:51 So it seems like a smart negotiating tactic for Bill

04:55 to kind of lean on the fact that I'm still here

04:58 and you're gonna have to jump through hoops

04:59 if you don't want me here.

05:00 Otherwise I'm coming back to make my money.

05:02 It also tells me that he does want to stay.

05:06 Like if he has it his way,

05:08 he wants to stay and try and rebuild this thing.

05:10 And I think that he's sort of playing up the,

05:13 oh yeah, I am an employee and I'm under contract.

05:15 And oh, if you need to bring in a GM, sure.

05:17 I'll do whatever you need because I'm staying

05:19 and I'm making that money somehow.

05:20 So I don't know if he's back.

05:23 I think some people kind of read into the fact

05:25 that he was very, you know, playing for the company

05:29 and you know, I'm a patriot, we work together, but,

05:32 and then if he's gonna play this kind of hard ball

05:34 after this whole thing, it just,

05:35 it feels like the crafts are gonna have to make

05:37 a difficult decision here.

05:39 And Tommy Curran, our friend Tom from NBC Sports Boston

05:43 reported today that it's not gonna come today.

05:45 So we won't have to jump off this stream

05:47 or actually live react to it

05:49 because it's probably gonna happen later this week,

05:51 but long story short, he was very much,

05:55 I feel like he very much used that media session with us

05:58 as a negotiating tactic with the crafts for later this week.

06:02 - Yeah, and I think we've seen Bill control the narrative

06:04 throughout this season.

06:05 Like we've had the reports from Tom

06:07 and then Ian Rapoport tends to, you know,

06:09 push back and get his thoughts.

06:11 And it's pretty well understood that, you know,

06:13 Tom is probably speaking for the crafts or, you know,

06:15 kind of being the person who they're expressing

06:17 their opinions through.

06:18 And then Ian Rapoport is really more in Belichick's camp

06:21 saying what he's been thinking.

06:22 I mean, again, Rapoport's the one who reported

06:25 that Belichick was still under contract and all these things

06:27 and now we're actually hearing from Belichick,

06:29 him saying himself that he is under contract,

06:30 which I thought was interesting, but, you know,

06:33 we've gone back and forth on this so much,

06:35 where the report came out with Andrew Callahan and Doug Kine

06:39 where they mentioned for the Herald,

06:40 where they mentioned that it was pretty toxic environment

06:43 where maybe Belichick wasn't letting Bill O'Brien

06:45 build a staff.

06:46 He didn't even want Bill O'Brien.

06:47 He wanted to keep Matt Patricia.

06:49 He got, you know, Adrian Clem square pegging around Cole.

06:51 Yeah, it's just, it was a really weird situation.

06:53 So, I mean, was what you saw today enough

06:57 to kind of sway you one way or the other?

06:58 Because I'm like a little bit more of like, okay,

07:01 I think Belichick has a better chance to keep his job.

07:04 But at the same time, I think a clean ride,

07:06 I don't like saying this because if it was just Belichick,

07:09 the coach, hell yeah, just like keep them back

07:12 and have Bill O'Brien really just take control

07:14 of the offense.

07:15 And, you know, like I've said, let him pick his own groceries

07:17 and all those things, maybe advance a scheme

07:18 or what have you.

07:19 But the general manager part is huge

07:21 because this isn't a one or two year thing.

07:23 This is several years of the offense taking players

07:27 that don't pan out, signing free agents to deals

07:30 that were too big for what they ended up giving you.

07:32 Juju, just being a recent example,

07:34 even extend Devante Parker.

07:35 And that didn't work out where it sure,

07:37 he gave you a little bit more under Zappi,

07:39 but the effort has been inconsistent and he's always hurt.

07:42 It's one thing when he's hurting,

07:43 he's giving you big plays and you know, he's unk.

07:45 He's the guy that all the receivers seem to love,

07:47 but it's a different thing when you're looking at the tape.

07:49 It's like, man, I really don't know

07:50 what he's doing out there.

07:52 So again, do you feel any differently

07:55 or how do you feel?

07:56 Do you think Bill's out or do you think

07:58 that he's probably gonna return?

07:59 - I did feel like he was gonna be back

08:02 for about 10 minutes today,

08:04 right after that press conference.

08:05 It really felt like, you know, he wanted to be back.

08:08 And you know, when he plays on your heartstrings,

08:10 even as a former fan, still a fan,

08:12 but also, you know, now a reporter covering the team,

08:14 it's like, oh wow.

08:16 Yeah, like, well, like this could be it for Bill.

08:18 And it's kind of like, oh, okay.

08:19 Like maybe I don't want this to actually happen yet.

08:21 I was saying to you guys earlier

08:22 that I was driving in listening to the Greg Hill show

08:25 and they were playing like sad music for their rejoins.

08:27 And I was like, wow, this could actually be it.

08:29 Like this shouldn't happen.

08:30 But at the end of the day,

08:33 and we talked about it earlier, me and you,

08:34 like it's, they need to, a change needs to happen here.

08:39 And whether that is bringing in a GM,

08:41 whether that is moving on from Belichick,

08:43 whether that is him just saying, look,

08:45 I will be more collaborative

08:46 and actually mean it this time.

08:49 Something has to give, you can't just run it back.

08:51 It's been too bad for too long here

08:53 ever since Tom Brady left.

08:54 And what we were saying too,

08:56 was that how easy is it gonna be

08:58 to just bring in a general manager?

09:00 Like Bill has been final say for so long here.

09:04 He has been involved in personnel, in scouting,

09:07 in drafting, in trades, in all of that stuff.

09:09 So if he were to take a step back,

09:13 that's in theory him taking a demotion

09:15 and then them putting a general manager

09:16 above him on the totem pole.

09:17 So in that case, there's gonna be some,

09:21 there should be some infighting in that situation.

09:24 I wouldn't really blame Bill if he did push back saying,

09:27 no, I've done this for 25 years.

09:29 I know what I'm doing.

09:29 I don't have to listen to you.

09:31 And if he says, well, I do have to listen to you.

09:32 They both report to Kraft.

09:34 It's just, that just feels like a disaster waiting to happen.

09:36 So like, and I've talked about sort of the 49ers approach

09:40 where they took John Lynch and they took Kyle Shanahan

09:43 in the same off season.

09:45 They hired them together.

09:46 They wanted to work together.

09:48 They signed them to the same length contract

09:50 every single time.

09:51 They signed a six year deal at first.

09:53 They signed their extensions together.

09:55 We were in this together, same footing at the same time.

09:58 Bringing in somebody staggered like this

10:01 just throws the hierarchy off.

10:02 You saw it with, we'll get to Mike Vrabel in Tennessee

10:05 where they fired John Robinson

10:06 and then Rand Carthen comes in

10:08 and there's infighting there because it's like,

10:10 it's just an awkward dynamic when you try

10:12 and do it this way.

10:13 So I do think ultimately the right decision here

10:17 is a clean break with Belichick and a brand new GM,

10:22 brand new head coach.

10:23 And it was great for so long, but it's not working now.

10:27 Let's start anew.

10:28 And I think the Krafts ultimately will have to

10:31 and probably will make that decision.

10:33 - Yeah, I agree.

10:35 I think the best case scenario is he brings in someone

10:37 who he respects and has history with.

10:39 Like if Scott Piolli wants to leave media

10:41 or Thomas Dimitrov, you know, somebody,

10:43 but those are also guys who Belichick brought up.

10:46 So how much say are they going to have over him?

10:49 How weird is that going to be?

10:50 And there's also the fact that Belichick

10:52 still can scout defensive players.

10:54 Like should he have taken three

10:55 when he had a ton of holes on his offense last year?

10:58 I didn't think it was a big deal

10:59 and I was proven horribly, horribly wrong.

11:02 But you're talking about a guy-

11:03 - We yelled at each other.

11:04 We yelled at each other on our draft coverage with Zanis

11:07 for like hours on that.

11:08 And look, there's still going to be pretty good players

11:11 in Gonzalez and Mapu.

11:12 Like they all played well,

11:14 but it's just, it's not what this team needed.

11:15 And you saw it this season.

11:18 - Yeah, and the fact that Belichick

11:20 still can't find defensive talent, it's the offense.

11:23 So what kind of situation are we going to have here?

11:25 Is it that Belichick just doesn't really give

11:27 as much feedback for offense, but then for defense he can?

11:31 It just, it seems like a weird situation.

11:33 And there's also actually an opportunity for you to win.

11:36 Either elevate, we're going to talk about, you know,

11:38 head coaching situation a little later,

11:39 but you have a chance to get guys who you know

11:42 and are familiar with in the building and elevate them.

11:44 'Cause at some point,

11:45 Belichick's not coaching another 10 years.

11:47 Be totally honest.

11:48 The guy's probably not going to be doing this into his 80s.

11:50 So at some point you got to rip the bandaid off

11:52 and you have people in place who could prospectively

11:55 be really good for your organization.

11:57 So how does that work exactly where, you know,

12:00 you get the new GM, but maybe it'd probably be better

12:02 if you got a GM who's going to stick around for a long time

12:04 and also has a relationship with whichever head coach

12:06 it's going to be their first season.

12:08 So I think it just sets up a really weird dynamic.

12:11 And the more I think about it,

12:12 especially after that report,

12:13 where you see how toxic things were

12:15 between the coaching staff and the front office,

12:17 I really just think he needs significant change,

12:20 both in that front office and in the dynamic

12:22 with the coaching staff, whether it's, you know,

12:24 Mayo leading the charge overall and being the CEO

12:27 and also influencing the defense.

12:28 And then he says, Hey, you know,

12:30 kind of how Belichick did with Josh McDaniels

12:32 and Charlie Weiss, where it's like,

12:33 this is your side of the ball.

12:34 You know, I'm going to give you real full control.

12:36 And we've seen-

12:37 - It felt like that was, it felt like that was going to be

12:39 the case with Phil O'Brien.

12:41 Those were the reports early where O'Brien has the offense,

12:44 Bill Belichick's out of it,

12:45 but clearly it would keep going back to the Harold report.

12:48 Bill's hands were all over it.

12:50 He was working with the offensive line.

12:51 He didn't allow O'Brien to, you know, hire his own staff.

12:54 So that's something that if Mayo does that,

12:58 that's kind of what the direction has to be

12:59 because it worked in the past with McDaniels

13:01 and they just didn't let it happen with O'Brien this year.

13:03 I wonder how different it would have actually been given,

13:06 you know, the lack of quarterback play,

13:07 but it's something we'll never really know

13:08 because they never actually did it that way.

13:10 Belichick just tried to make it seem like that.

13:12 And then clearly that wasn't the case at all.

13:15 - And just that, and then even adding onto that,

13:18 is there going to be tension in the coaching staff?

13:20 Even if you do make some changes,

13:23 then you're going to have to fire some people,

13:24 bring people in.

13:25 Like what's the situation going to be with Belichick?

13:27 How on board is he going to be with that?

13:29 Is the kind of thing where he's kind of reluctant

13:30 and just does it because he understands

13:32 it's what's best for the team.

13:33 But then as a human being, that side comes into it.

13:36 It's something we could talk about forever

13:38 because we don't know.

13:39 This is purely speculation,

13:41 but these are the things that matter.

13:43 And whether Belichick is willing to take that step back,

13:47 truly, you still don't know whether or not

13:50 he's going to say, all right, you know, whoever comes in,

13:52 I'm going to let them have the final say

13:54 or whether he wants it.

13:55 You know, the dynamic, it just seems weird.

13:57 In my opinion, with everything that we know,

14:00 I just think you got to move on.

14:02 It stinks.

14:03 - Feels like time.

14:04 - Yeah, it's not a healthy situation.

14:06 This isn't just fix the offense.

14:07 This is, oh, there was infighting and that's,

14:10 I think you need a change in culture.

14:12 We did hear some rumors surrounding

14:13 where Belichick could end up,

14:15 who could potentially replace him.

14:17 We'll get into that, but first,

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14:59 - All right, so we've heard some mumbling.

15:02 Justina Anderson reported last week

15:04 that the NFC South teams are really interested

15:06 in Bill Belichick.

15:07 Today, it was mentioned by a couple of people

15:09 that the Falcons have had internal discussions

15:11 about whether or not to bring Bill Belichick in,

15:13 although in the Patriots building,

15:14 they've said it's the status quo.

15:17 Now, I don't think there's a lot

15:18 of great head coaching situations in the NFL right now.

15:21 I think you look at the chargers,

15:22 everyone says, "Justin Herbert, great LA weather."

15:25 I mean, I've been in LA, let's not forget that, you know.

15:28 I mean, but it's also smoggy as hell,

15:30 if we're being totally honest.

15:31 I don't know if a 70 something year old man

15:33 wants to have to deal with that.

15:34 But I just don't think there's a lot of situations

15:37 where it's, you know,

15:37 you have to completely rebuild the roster

15:39 or you don't have a lot of money

15:40 or the draft position isn't great.

15:42 You know, Washington, they have a new owner,

15:44 but their team needs a lot of help.

15:46 You're talking about the Patriots having a bad offense.

15:48 The Commanders have some pieces for sure,

15:50 but they still need their quarterback.

15:52 They still need some help.

15:53 And they had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

15:55 One of the best places I've maintained

15:58 would be the Falcons.

15:59 I'm gonna bring up the depth chargers

16:00 so we can take a look

16:01 because I do think this is a solid position.

16:03 Now, in terms of cap,

16:05 I think they're 16th in the amount of caps

16:07 place they're supposed to have.

16:08 So not great, but at the same time,

16:10 they don't need quite as much help.

16:12 They really need a quarterback

16:14 and they've got a top 10 pick.

16:15 So they're probably not gonna get a Jaden Daniels

16:18 unless they trade up or, you know,

16:19 they're not gonna get one of those top three guys

16:21 everyone's talking about.

16:22 But if you like Michael Pennix Jr,

16:24 you add him to an offense like this,

16:26 I think you're cooking with some gas.

16:27 So at wider receiver, they've got Drake London,

16:30 who has just been horribly misused by Arthur Smith,

16:32 who was released at midnight.

16:34 Cold world we live in.

16:36 Van Jefferson, who had some flashes

16:37 when he was with the Rams.

16:38 A good offensive line, Jake Matthews.

16:40 Matthew Bergeron was drafted out of Syracuse last year.

16:43 Drew Dallman, Chris Lindstrom,

16:45 one of the best guards in football.

16:47 Caleb McGarry, who, you know,

16:49 there was talk about whether the Patriots should get him.

16:51 I thought he was really more of a run blocker

16:53 than a pass protector,

16:55 but he had himself a good year as well.

16:56 Kyle Pitts, you don't really know where he's at.

16:58 I know he's been injured and it's hard to see.

17:00 - Just get Kyle Pitts right though,

17:02 and he can be one of like the most dynamic players

17:04 in football, like.

17:05 - There we go.

17:06 Even if he's lost some juice, like he's still,

17:08 and he actually does try in the run game.

17:10 He's not a great run blocker,

17:11 but if you're a tight end who gives effort,

17:13 that's like 60% of the battle right there.

17:15 And then of course, B. John Robinson,

17:17 he can do anything you need.

17:19 If you get like a Josh McDaniels in there

17:21 with Bill Belichick,

17:22 I think that could be a good offense there.

17:24 And then you look at the defense.

17:25 Now, Grady Jarrett's on injured reserve.

17:27 He's one of the best defensive tackles in all of football.

17:30 Kaleas Campbell's gonna be a free agent,

17:32 but as you mentioned, off air,

17:34 he's expressed interest in coming back.

17:36 So that's a really nasty interior you've got already.

17:39 David Onyemata, really good pass rusher.

17:41 I haven't cited him too closely.

17:43 I don't know if he's rounding out his game

17:44 as a run defender or not,

17:45 but he is a really talented player as well.

17:48 Then you got some names on here

17:49 that I'll be totally honest,

17:50 I'm not super familiar with.

17:52 This is an out of conference opponent.

17:53 - I mean, AJ Terrell,

17:54 DeMarco Hellams was a rookie last year.

17:57 Like they do, they have some pieces.

17:57 - Like Dupree, he's not nothing.

17:59 But Dupree's not nothing.

18:00 You got a couple of young guys.

18:01 Okay, so you got DeMarco Hellams.

18:04 I'm not gonna do that.

18:05 It's a seven round pick.

18:06 But Clark Phillips, fourth round pick.

18:08 That's around the area where Belichick

18:09 can really make things happen.

18:10 And Mike Hughes, solid player.

18:12 And they signed Jesse Bates,

18:13 who's another one of the best safeties in football.

18:15 So that's a good situation for Belichick.

18:17 He doesn't have to go in and completely blow things up.

18:19 The offense is set.

18:20 Get yourself a quarterback,

18:22 get an offensive coordinator you trust,

18:23 and you're good.

18:24 And then as I said, the defense has plenty of pieces.

18:26 And with a guy like Bill Belichick,

18:28 he's gonna bring the best out of those guys.

18:30 So what do you think of Belichick with the Falcons?

18:32 And do you think maybe they're not the best spot

18:34 and there could be another place like the Chargers?

18:37 Who would be better for them?

18:38 - I mean, I've connected Belichick to the Chargers

18:40 ever since that was floated a few months ago.

18:43 We've hashed that out both on air and off air before,

18:46 as far as their cap situation.

18:48 The players they have there,

18:49 but let's talk Falcons for now,

18:50 because I do think it's actually a decent spot for him.

18:54 And you talk about, does Bill wanna leave?

18:58 Does he just wanna stay in New England

18:59 where he understands, he knows the culture

19:01 and he lives in the area.

19:04 It's very familiar for him to just stay in Foxborough

19:07 if he wants to.

19:08 But Atlanta's an East Coast city.

19:10 It's a change, but when you're filthy rich,

19:14 you can fly all over the place.

19:15 It's not really that far away.

19:16 Like, I mean, if he wants a place,

19:20 hunger down again, Atlanta, that could work for him.

19:22 And you look at that roster, I mean,

19:24 I'm telling you that offense outside of the quarterback

19:27 is in a very, very, very good place.

19:30 Like they have some serious weapons.

19:32 You have Bijon, Drake London, and Kyle Pitts,

19:35 all first round picks in your last three seasons.

19:37 The offensive line, like you mentioned, is in a good spot.

19:39 And so you do, I mean, look, you go in there

19:41 and you draft Michael Panix, you bring Belichick,

19:44 you bring Josh McDaniels in to run your offense.

19:46 And that offense can almost immediately, I'm sure,

19:50 like actually be like a top 10, 15 unit in football.

19:54 And then you bring Bill and he brings good, I don't care.

19:58 Bring Matt Patricia to run the offense again.

19:59 Like run it all the way back, take Atlanta.

20:02 - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

20:02 - The team, I know, now I'm getting a little crazy,

20:05 but Steve Belichick, Steve Belichick goes down

20:08 and runs the defense and now you're actually,

20:11 you have a contender.

20:12 I mean, could you imagine if Bill Belichick

20:15 goes to Arthur Blank's football team,

20:17 the team that he came back 28 to three,

20:19 down 28 to three in the Super Bowl,

20:21 seven, eight, whatever,

20:22 however many years ago it was at this point,

20:24 and goes and wins one with him in Atlanta.

20:26 Like that's almost a better story

20:28 than Brady leaving to go to Tampa

20:32 because he wins it with the team that they just beat.

20:34 Like I just, I do.

20:35 I think that that's a very interesting,

20:37 a very interesting spot for him.

20:39 Will it happen?

20:40 Who knows, but he has an owner who he can work with.

20:43 I'm sure it's a place that they would allow him

20:47 to have full control.

20:47 I think any place outside of New England

20:49 should allow him to have full control.

20:51 And you talk about culture issues and what's going on here.

20:55 Like it's not working here.

20:56 That's a fact and it's gotten ugly here.

20:58 And there is some infighting,

20:59 but his culture can still work in a new building,

21:03 in a new environment.

21:03 Like anywhere he goes, it's a reset button.

21:06 It's a hard reset button everywhere.

21:08 You go, you run personnel,

21:09 you bring in the quote unquote Patriot way in a new system.

21:13 I'm down for it.

21:14 I think Atlanta is a pretty good spot for it.

21:15 The other place I mentioned it,

21:16 the Chargers, I'll say it quick.

21:17 I know they're in some salary cap troubles

21:18 and they're good players are either hurt

21:21 or making a ton of money.

21:23 And old, right, exactly.

21:25 That feels like, it almost is like it's ready-made.

21:28 Like two years, like get a healthy year

21:30 out of Mike Williams, God forbid.

21:31 Keenan Allen, get one year out of him.

21:33 You have one of the best quarterbacks in football.

21:35 A guy who's experienced-ish in the salary cap

21:38 kind of helps you get out of it.

21:39 I know you hate it.

21:40 I see it in your face,

21:40 but I'm still not ruling out the Chargers

21:42 for Bill Belichick here.

21:43 But Atlanta does make a lot of sense.

21:46 - This is, we also have to remember

21:47 that this is a Chargers team.

21:48 Belichick, anytime he faces them, just puts the cap on.

21:52 They do not do anything against Bill Belichick.

21:54 So like, if you just want to go head to head,

21:57 I think he's going to understand like,

21:58 yeah, this team needs a lot of help.

21:59 And I don't know if I'm necessarily the guy

22:01 who's got to fix both sides of the ball.

22:03 And then another thing is ownership.

22:05 You mentioned Arthur Blank.

22:06 A big part of this, especially with Bill,

22:08 is he does want control,

22:09 but he's also going to want an owner he knows

22:11 isn't going to pull the rug out from under him

22:14 and is going to actually give him that control

22:16 and not interfere.

22:17 Like we talked about the Cowboys,

22:18 Jerry Jones and Bill Belichick.

22:19 That does not sound like a good combination

22:21 because Jerry Jones is infamous for overreaching

22:24 and getting involved in the operations.

22:26 We talked about, you know,

22:27 the Panthers keep getting connected to Bill Belichick.

22:29 And I'm like, there is no way that Bill Belichick

22:33 is going to hitch his wagon to David Tepper.

22:36 I'm sorry, that's not happening.

22:38 Like, you know, the Panthers do have a good defense.

22:40 Derek Brown, defensive tackle, nose tackle,

22:42 I think most of the time has a hundred tackles.

22:45 - That was an NFL record, right?

22:48 - It had, I would assume so.

22:50 That's insane.

22:51 I don't even know how you do that.

22:52 So they have a really,

22:53 they have some pieces on defense for sure.

22:55 Offensively, they obviously need a ton of help.

22:57 If they have a young quarterback,

22:58 if you give him an offensive line

23:00 that could, you know, not get the crap kicked out of him,

23:03 then maybe there'll be solid.

23:04 But I just don't see Belichick and Tepper being a good match.

23:07 He's also been linked to the Commanders.

23:08 Now, pro football talk,

23:10 Mike Loreo did mention that they weren't an option,

23:12 but Ian Rappaport said they were an option.

23:14 Or was it, did I have that backwards?

23:15 - It was flipped, but you, yeah.

23:16 - Yeah, my bad.

23:17 - They were deferring the points regardless, yeah.

23:19 - Right, and even that, you know, I don't,

23:22 the DC connection, 'cause Bill grew up in that area.

23:25 So, you know, that does make a lot of sense,

23:27 but even still, like that defense,

23:29 could Bill turn it around, sure.

23:30 But they also need a lot of help.

23:31 They've got good draft capital,

23:32 but that's one where I'm like, eh, I don't know.

23:34 And it's also a young owner.

23:36 I don't know how eager Belichick would be

23:38 to do something like that.

23:39 Whereas again, with an Arthur Blank,

23:40 he's got a history in the league.

23:41 He's very well known.

23:42 He's very well respected and regarded.

23:44 I feel like that just kind of,

23:45 Falcons are a match made in heaven.

23:46 - Yeah, and the Commanders are also right now

23:49 just going like on a scorched earth,

23:51 like full-fledged hunt with, you know,

23:53 they hired the two basketball guys today, Bob Myers,

23:55 and I forget who else to kind of,

23:57 it basically be their in-house consulting firm

24:00 to bring in the right people.

24:01 And they're already out like higher,

24:03 trying to hire general managers.

24:04 So I don't know if that's the case for Belichick anymore.

24:07 I mean, they may still sniff around,

24:09 but I don't know if Bill would go there

24:12 if he didn't have general manager power.

24:14 And if they're, you know, trying to do this whole

24:16 new coach, new GM type thing to, you know,

24:18 flourish for years to come.

24:20 I just don't know if Belichick's the right spot for that.

24:22 - Agreed. So coming back to the Patriots,

24:24 if Belichick were to leave,

24:26 Mike Vrabel, our buddy Jordan Schultz reported

24:29 that he would be interested in coming to the Patriots

24:31 if things don't work out with the Titans.

24:33 Now, this is a weird one for me,

24:36 because if there was no succession, yeah.

24:39 'Cause I mean, if there was no succession plan,

24:41 then I'd be like, hell yeah,

24:43 bring Vrabel back in the building.

24:44 'Cause I'm not really of the mindset

24:45 that you need an offensive minded coach.

24:47 Does it help? Absolutely.

24:49 But nothing helps an offense like a great defense.

24:51 And I think a guy like Vrabel,

24:53 we've seen those Titans teams, you know,

24:55 they don't get very far in the playoffs.

24:57 They haven't been good recently,

24:58 but I think a lot of that is attributed to the fact

25:00 that they don't have a great offense

25:01 and haven't really had a great offense

25:03 outside of Derrick Henry and Vrabel's tenure with the team.

25:06 But that defense is consistently tough

25:08 and he knows how to coach.

25:09 Obviously gets a ton of respect from players.

25:11 And I don't think the Titans really want to let him go,

25:13 but it just seems like, as you mentioned,

25:15 with the GM situation, it just isn't super healthy.

25:17 In a vacuum, I love the fit.

25:20 Vrabel even came back when he was inducted

25:22 in the Patriots Hall of Fame and said, "We."

25:24 Which was wild when you were actively coaching another team.

25:27 I don't care that you used to play for the team.

25:29 That is a crazy thing to say about a team

25:31 that's in your own conference.

25:33 So that was pretty nuts.

25:34 Again, I like it on paper.

25:36 But Gerard Mayo has been in waiting.

25:39 We know the Crafts think very highly of him.

25:41 They have pretty similar resumes.

25:42 So obviously Vrabel was around during the first dynasty.

25:45 He played, like Gerard Mayo, he has Super Bowl ring,

25:48 but I think he had a torn pec that year.

25:49 So he didn't actually play in that Super Bowl.

25:52 Vrabel is more accomplished,

25:53 but these are still two highly respected guys.

25:55 Mayo might end up in the Patriots Hall of Fame himself

25:57 one day.

25:58 They have similar resumes,

25:59 but Vrabel is the one who has the experience coaching.

26:02 You know what you're gonna get out of him.

26:04 And Mayo's someone where you're gonna say,

26:05 "I'm not sure what I'm gonna get,

26:06 but he's got such great business acumen.

26:08 He's been in the building for years.

26:10 We know that players respect him."

26:11 There was, you know, the whole thing of,

26:13 it seemed like a coach might've leaked

26:14 that they didn't like how he was doing things.

26:16 And Mayo was super transparent with us.

26:19 And honestly, nobody really cares

26:22 what I think in that building.

26:23 But I also think that if someone doesn't like

26:25 the way he was running things,

26:26 I think that he was point when he said that,

26:29 sometimes you have to make people uncomfortable.

26:31 People aren't gonna like when you say it.

26:32 - Andy is like, "Say it to my face.

26:34 Like, say it to my face.

26:35 Don't just go leak it out to the media."

26:37 Like, I liked that.

26:38 I mean, he's right.

26:38 He's completely right in that.

26:40 Like, let's figure this out in-house

26:41 'cause there's no reason for you to just go leak this.

26:45 - All right, so I've been going on long enough.

26:46 I want your take here.

26:48 Does Mike Vrabel make sense

26:49 when you have Gerard Mayo in waiting?

26:51 Or do you say, "Hey, hitch our wagon to Vrabel

26:54 'cause it's just a perfect fit.

26:55 We know that he can coach the hell out of a football team.

26:58 We try to keep Mayo around as long as we can.

27:00 If he leaves, it is what it is.

27:01 Maybe hire Demarcus Covington, elevate him as a coordinator.

27:04 If he doesn't get a head coaching job himself."

27:06 What do you think is the best course of action for them?

27:08 Or do you think there's another candidate

27:09 that seems even better than either one of those guys?

27:12 - I love the idea of bringing Vrabel here.

27:16 I love the fit.

27:17 I think we talked about it a few segments ago

27:19 where you kind of want a clean break here

27:23 between the Belichick tree.

27:25 And Mike Vrabel isn't really a part of the Belichick tree.

27:29 I mean, in theory he is

27:30 because he was under O'Brien in Houston.

27:32 But he's never actually really coached on Belichick staff.

27:36 So while they do act the same, they're different.

27:39 He's built his own little coaching tree down there.

27:41 He has his own assistants who he wants to work with.

27:44 And if you bring Mayo in

27:47 and he becomes a successor,

27:48 it is still a,

27:51 like a relative, if you will,

27:54 to the Belichick Patriot way that was here.

27:56 It really is probably only getting rid of Bill

27:59 and maybe Brian and Steve Belichick.

28:01 Other than that, like,

28:02 I feel like it's just trying to have some continuity,

28:05 which the Crafts love.

28:06 So I think they would probably maybe prefer it.

28:09 I don't know because it seems like

28:10 they have an affinity for Vrabel now too.

28:12 So it's kind of up in the air.

28:13 But my point is, and my opinion is,

28:16 if you keep Mayo,

28:17 you're still gonna have DeMarcus Covington.

28:18 You're still probably gonna have Bill O'Brien.

28:20 You're still probably gonna have,

28:22 whether it's Pellegrino and Will Long

28:24 and Troy Brown will probably be gone.

28:26 But you get the point, right?

28:27 It's, you get rid of Bill, you have Mayo as the head guy

28:30 and you keep the staff and you keep the interior.

28:32 Where if you go Vrabel,

28:34 you can kind of clean house for a better,

28:37 lack of a better word.

28:38 Like maybe O'Brien comes back,

28:39 but Vrabel will probably bring in a new staff.

28:42 He'll probably bring in a new front office.

28:45 He'll probably, if they get rid of Mayo

28:47 and they bring Vrabel in,

28:47 they'll probably hire a true GM

28:49 and he'll have his own scouting department

28:51 and his whole, his own draft,

28:54 scouting and college and pro, what have you,

28:56 like all that, all the inner workings will change.

28:59 And I kind of think that's what you need.

29:00 I don't know.

29:02 I mean, look, these infighting and the troubles,

29:05 do they really move?

29:07 You get rid of Bill

29:07 and you keep basically the whole staff?

29:09 I don't know.

29:10 We'll have to see.

29:11 So that's my point on that,

29:12 is that if you bring in Vrabel,

29:13 a guy who clearly,

29:15 it was reported that he wants to come back

29:18 and clearly the Crafts want him back.

29:20 If these, the rumblings keep coming out,

29:22 they had him back last year.

29:24 He really, I think Ben Volan

29:26 from the Boston Globe reported a couple of months ago

29:28 that that would be the Crafts' home run.

29:30 If they can make it happen, I love the fit.

29:33 I think it's awesome because it's a patriot guy,

29:36 but it's a new sort of regime.

29:38 It's a regime change and it's the Patriots new

29:40 where if it keeps Mayo,

29:41 as much as I think Mayo is ready,

29:43 it's sort of just the same thing all over again

29:45 with a little bit of a change up top.

29:47 - See, that's where I disagree.

29:49 - Okay.

29:50 - I understand. - Let's go.

29:51 - And I hear a lot that,

29:52 so I hear a lot about the cleaning house.

29:54 - Yeah.

29:55 - I feel like it sounds good

29:56 because we're still stuck in this,

29:58 like the season was awful.

30:00 Cleaning house has so many domino effects

30:03 and no one is saying the defense was a problem.

30:06 You'd look at the report,

30:07 who's saying anything about,

30:08 obviously the report about Gerard Mayo is what it is.

30:10 Who's saying anything bad about Demarcus Covington

30:12 or Mike Pellegrino?

30:14 Like they're not the guys who are being criticized.

30:16 It's the offense and that dysfunction

30:18 and their inability to find talent in the front office.

30:21 I think that you wanna keep the defensive staff

30:23 because they did a great job.

30:24 This is a team that finished ninth in defensive DVOA

30:27 after losing their two best players in week four.

30:30 How many breakouts did we see?

30:32 We saw Christian Farmore broke out,

30:34 Anthony Jennings broke out,

30:35 Jabril Peppers broke out.

30:37 Alex Austin did a great job filling in

30:39 after the whole up and down thing with JC Jackson.

30:41 Jelani Tabai had a career season.

30:44 Devon Godshaw continues to be an elite nose tackle.

30:48 I just don't think it's as easy

30:50 as just you wanna get rid of everybody.

30:52 Now, obviously like if Vrabel has a staff

30:54 that he wants to assemble

30:55 and cleaning house means that you have consistency

30:58 in terms of Vrabel gets his guys,

31:01 I'm a little different on that.

31:02 Like if they really want Vrabel,

31:03 I'm not gonna be here and pout

31:05 because Gerard Mayo didn't get his opportunity

31:06 in New England.

31:07 Because again, he's established.

31:09 I get that.

31:09 I just think it's weird that the connections being made

31:12 when everyone, Gerard Mayo has been the talk of the town

31:15 until everything with Mike Vrabel started popping up.

31:18 I think that you just give Bill O'Brien more control

31:21 because as we've talked about,

31:22 he's been a general manager, he's been a head coach.

31:25 Obviously it didn't work out very well

31:27 because the whole thing with DeAndre Hopkins,

31:29 some of the decisions he made,

31:30 like it wasn't a perfect situation.

31:32 I do think he's matured.

31:34 At least like in our interactions with him,

31:36 he's very self-aware.

31:37 I think he's as transparent as he can possibly be

31:39 while also walking the company line.

31:41 So I think offensively,

31:42 if you just give Bill O'Brien a fair shot,

31:44 and we also know the Crafts wanted him here.

31:47 He doesn't seem like he's in a rush to leave

31:49 or anything like that.

31:50 So I think it makes more sense to give him a fair shot.

31:53 And I know that you wanna clean house him

31:55 with the toxicity and the staff surrounding Belichick.

31:58 You wanna get rid of that.

31:59 But Gerard Mayo is a really smart guy.

32:02 Not only has he watched Belichick work as a player

32:05 and then watched his evolution as a coach on his staff,

32:08 he also has seen the mistakes Belichick has made.

32:10 Belichick this morning acknowledged,

32:12 like, yeah, we have a lot of things we gotta fix.

32:14 Gerard knows that.

32:15 I'm sure he knew it and was probably one of the people

32:18 who was like, damn, man, we gotta figure this out.

32:20 - Yeah, we got some shit to do.

32:22 - I don't know that, but he's a smart guy.

32:24 So I also think he would bring in a different culture.

32:26 Like think about our interviews with him.

32:28 So I could have Bill Belichick and Gerard Mayo

32:30 completely different ends of the spectrum.

32:32 Or like we mentioned, Gerard Mayo,

32:33 when the whole thing came out about somebody questioning him

32:37 and saying that he was rubbing people the wrong way,

32:39 he was honest with us.

32:40 I don't think Belichick would have said anything.

32:42 He would have been like, no, we're not gonna do it.

32:44 - He would have said, that's just reporting.

32:45 We don't get into unnamed sources stuff.

32:47 Like, yeah, exactly.

32:48 - Right, and Mayo was like, nah, that was not cool.

32:51 And gave a great response to it.

32:53 I thought it was phenomenal.

32:55 So I just, again, if it weren't for Gerard,

32:59 I would be ecstatic about the idea of Rable.

33:02 But I also think like, then what were you doing with Gerard?

33:04 If you don't think he's ready, that's one thing, obviously.

33:07 But I don't know if that's the case

33:08 because they kept him here.

33:09 They clearly saw something in him and wanted to retain him.

33:12 Now, whether that was because they wanted him to be

33:14 the next head coach of the team,

33:17 I don't know that for sure.

33:18 And I will also, you know, there's also the fact

33:20 they still will need a general manager.

33:21 Like, you don't know where Mike Rable,

33:24 it may be easier for him to find somebody he agrees with

33:27 because he's been in these circles for a little while longer

33:29 where Gerard Mayo has kind of been lower on the totem pole.

33:32 It doesn't even have a real title.

33:33 So maybe he doesn't really,

33:35 isn't as familiar with the general manager.

33:36 - That's insane to me still.

33:37 Like, just give him the damn title.

33:38 - Even though he got the pay bump.

33:40 It's so, so, I think it's 'cause Bellagiock's son

33:42 has the title and it's just like, all right, well,

33:44 they clearly work well together.

33:46 But yeah, man, I just, if there's anything else,

33:49 like I'm kind of droning on, but I-

33:50 - No, I don't.

33:51 - I think it's an odd situation.

33:53 - I don't hate the pushback, but I just wonder like,

33:56 this sort of all started, you know,

33:59 when Vrbal came back for the Hall of Fame ceremony, right?

34:02 So it's almost like maybe at that point

34:05 they had conversations where Vrbal didn't want out

34:08 or he wanted out of Tennessee.

34:10 So that starts to leak.

34:11 And then the craps are like, oh, he's available.

34:14 He wants to come here and he's gonna be available.

34:17 Well, let's reassess this

34:18 because he has head coach experience.

34:20 We like him.

34:21 And as much as we think Mayo

34:23 can be a great head coach one day,

34:24 like Vrbal has the experience and you know,

34:27 that's kind of a secondary option.

34:29 So I feel like that very well could have been the case

34:31 that that sort of started coming out after that whole thing.

34:33 And, you know, they just sort of reassess and thought,

34:35 well, Vrbal, you know, maybe he'll be just as good as Mayo,

34:39 if not better because he, you know, he has the experience.

34:41 He's been to an AFC championship game.

34:42 They were really, that team always kind of felt

34:44 like a quarterback away anyway.

34:45 And then obviously they traded AJ Brown

34:47 and the rest is history, but they were right there.

34:49 Tennessee was right there at one point.

34:51 Like you go into this thing, rebuild Vrbal,

34:54 defensive coach, bring in a quarterback at number three,

34:56 new OC, like what have you.

34:58 That's what I see as like a cleaning house side then.

35:02 But I also, what?

35:04 - I just realized, you know who the offensive coordinator

35:06 might be if Vrbal gets hired?

35:08 - Who?

35:10 - Arthur Smith.

35:11 - Oh yeah.

35:12 - Oh my God, I just thought of that.

35:14 That's Belichick and Vrbal both have their

35:17 offensive coordinators just waiting for them to figure out

35:20 where they're going to go.

35:20 - You scared the shit out of me.

35:21 I thought like Belichick got canned or something.

35:23 - No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

35:26 I mean, that's still, Arthur Blankley.

35:28 I mean, Arthur, geez, the two Arthurs.

35:30 We talked about that.

35:31 That's not a locker room, it's so confusing.

35:32 But yeah, that would be very interesting.

35:34 But also I think that Arthur Smith is someone who's seen

35:36 as just like he's a good coordinator.

35:38 He should not be leading a team, but also you look at how,

35:40 you know, what they did with the pieces that he had

35:43 in Atlanta and his bizarre use of them.

35:45 So we also have to take that into consideration

35:47 where Vrbal White want familiarity.

35:49 And do you really want Arthur Smith to be the one

35:51 who's calling plays for your offense?

35:53 Like, again, I just thought of that, which is kind of scary.

35:56 - Fair, we'll see what happens.

35:58 But I don't hate it.

35:59 It's interesting.

36:00 - It adds another layer to this crazy off season.

36:04 - Mayo had dibs, that's all I got to say.

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37:12 - All right, so today was garbage bag day for the Patriots.

37:24 So we went in the locker room.

37:25 We got to talk to some players

37:26 for the last time this season.

37:28 And one person who drew an absolutely massive crowd

37:30 before he even got in the room was Mac Jones.

37:34 Now, he mentioned that he would love to return.

37:37 He has a lot of love for the Kraft family.

37:39 He mentioned he has respect for Bill Belichick.

37:41 Also mentioned he put on seven to eight pounds,

37:44 which is pretty crazy.

37:45 Over the past month or like, I think three weeks

37:47 or something like that, which is pretty crazy,

37:49 clearly needs some more body armor

37:51 because of all the hits he's taken

37:52 over the past couple of years.

37:53 - Yeah, seriously.

37:54 - But with the report we've alluded to,

37:56 Andrew Callahan and Doug Kite, again,

37:58 fantastic job by the guys over at the Herald.

38:01 They did mention that it was not a great situation

38:04 in the Patriots quarterback room.

38:05 Now, Mac has said that he thought

38:08 that he was a good teammate through it

38:09 and he kept working hard and he kept showing up early,

38:12 leaving late, all the things you want to hear.

38:15 But it was also reported that he wasn't really working

38:18 with Bailey Zappi, that they were preparing

38:20 in their own little silos,

38:21 and that it was kind of an awkward situation

38:23 in the quarterback room.

38:24 And you hear that sometimes

38:26 with especially veteran quarterbacks.

38:27 Like I know Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers

38:29 are kind of the headliners where the veterans,

38:31 like it's not my job to prepare you, figure it out.

38:34 I'm trying to keep my job.

38:35 That's one thing.

38:36 But when you literally throw your job away

38:38 and the team keeps trying to give you chances to keep it.

38:42 - I like that.

38:43 You literally threw it away.

38:44 You literally threw, yeah.

38:46 - Several times.

38:48 When that's, no, I mean, I'll take the credit, thank you.

38:51 When that's the case, I would think that maybe you kind of,

38:55 and I don't like, you know, Mac is so respectful with us.

38:57 Like I'm not trying to turn this into like

38:59 an anti-Mac thing, but realistically,

39:01 I think it's a little bit odd when you consider one,

39:04 that, and also it's not even like that was just a report

39:06 because there were games where in pregame warmups

39:09 you didn't see Mac Jones.

39:10 In the Buffalo game, I believe it was.

39:12 He's trailing 30 yards behind Nathan Rourke and Bailey Zappi

39:16 and I'm not big drama guy, read into everything,

39:18 but I've literally never seen that before.

39:21 It was very, very strange.

39:22 And as a quarterback, you have to understand

39:25 that the spotlight's on you.

39:26 People pay attention to what you do.

39:27 Nobody cares if Miles Bryant's a few yards behind

39:30 the rest of the defensive backs.

39:31 That's just like, okay, you know, maybe he's just,

39:33 you know, whatever, he's preparation, whatever.

39:36 When you're a quarterback, those things matter.

39:38 So it was a bad look and you just kind of have to wonder,

39:42 is there really a future with Mac in, probably in the league?

39:45 I think it's unfair to say that he should be out of the

39:47 league because the guy did make provo alternate.

39:49 I don't care.

39:50 Wasn't in the pro bowl the past two years,

39:52 but he was as a rookie.

39:52 He did something right.

39:54 So he had success as a rookie when he had a stable offensive

39:57 coordinator who could play to his strengths and a supporting

40:00 cast that wasn't outstanding, but was good enough to compete

40:03 and help them win games.

40:05 But as we've seen things have really fallen apart here.

40:07 We don't know what his relationship with Belichick

40:09 is actually like.

40:10 And then Bailey Zappi also outplayed him this season.

40:12 I think it's fair to say that he's going to come back.

40:14 Zappi said that, you know, he expects that he's going to

40:17 compete to be the starter next year.

40:19 And they're almost definitely going to bring in a young

40:20 quarterback or at least hopefully, or not at least,

40:23 but also I hope they bring in a veteran because as was also

40:26 mentioned in the report, they probably needed somebody like

40:28 a Brian Hoyer, which was, who was there last year,

40:31 or maybe in the future, Jacoby Preset,

40:33 who can kind of keep that room together,

40:35 be the glue and remind everybody, Hey guys,

40:37 we're on the same team.

40:38 We got to work together and, you know,

40:39 kind of gel things a little bit.

40:41 So do you think Mac actually has a future in New England?

40:44 And if not, how do you think they deal with it?

40:47 Do they trade them?

40:47 Do they cut them?

40:48 How's that going to work?

40:50 - So I'm going to big market tease a column that will be

40:55 published on wei.com tomorrow.

40:58 It is going to be titled,

41:01 Don't Count Mac Jones Out Just Yet.

41:03 That is the title of the column.

41:06 I will give some, some, you know, detail on my thinking.

41:09 I sort of compare his situation to another one we've seen in

41:12 the NFL in the past.

41:13 And I won't spoil the whole thing because it,

41:16 it interests me just to kind of see where Mac Jones goes

41:20 from here, because you're right.

41:21 His attitude wasn't great towards the end of the season,

41:23 at least externally, you know, the, I I'm with you.

41:26 Like people might think it's stupid that for us to nitpick

41:28 the fact that in a social media video posted by the team in

41:32 Buffalo, he was 30 yards behind Nathan Work and,

41:34 and Bailey's, but that's not nothing like that's a thing.

41:37 Like the least you can do is run out with your guys and

41:40 like, you know, we're all on the same page.

41:42 And for him to kind of, yeah.

41:44 So for him to kind of be pouty like that, you know,

41:46 I didn't like that, but I mean, again, for him to,

41:50 you know what, he's working on his own.

41:52 He puts on seven, eight pounds.

41:53 He said it today.

41:54 I'm in early.

41:55 I leave late.

41:56 He said he was a good teammate.

41:57 All we can do is take his word for it.

41:59 And so I look at him as a guy who struggled the last couple

42:05 of years, things didn't go his way.

42:07 He said it for a variety of reasons.

42:09 And he said, you know, there were things I could control.

42:11 There were things I work, I couldn't control,

42:13 which I thought was interesting too, because, you know,

42:16 he was kind of like, you know, I haven't been great,

42:18 but you know, frankly,

42:19 I think what he was saying was things haven't been great

42:21 around me either.

42:22 And so I do what I can control.

42:24 And what he did the last month and a half was work out on

42:27 his own, prepare himself and get himself ready for,

42:31 you know, another tryout or whatever he's going to get down

42:34 the line here.

42:35 And so he's, he's a guy who was a first round pick,

42:39 highly recruited out of high school,

42:41 highly recruited out of college.

42:42 Clearly has the ability to play quarterback at this level.

42:46 As we saw in his rookie year, is he completely broken?

42:49 I don't think so.

42:51 Like, I think that he was broken this season,

42:54 but he has been good enough in the past that there is a

42:58 chance that he digs himself out of this hole and whether

43:00 that's here or elsewhere, we will have to wait and see.

43:03 He says he still wants to be here and that he has a lot of

43:07 respect for the crafts.

43:08 So we'll see where that goes.

43:09 I don't know if it's with Belichick.

43:11 I have a hard time thinking that if Belichick's here,

43:12 Mack's still here, but if they clean house,

43:15 if they bring in a new head coach and a new offensive

43:18 coordinator says, no, I like that guy.

43:20 I want to try and make him a reclamation project.

43:22 I've seen what he can do before.

43:24 It would not surprise me if Mack Jones ultimately had

43:27 success down the line in the NFL one way or another,

43:29 whether it's here or elsewhere.

43:30 I just think again, could he be broken?

43:33 Could he be Sandbarro?

43:34 Yes.

43:34 But could he be the person I'm comparing him to that I'm

43:37 going to push a we.com tomorrow for maybe,

43:40 and we'll just have to wait and see,

43:41 but I I'm with you on the fact that externally it didn't look

43:45 great, but I still think he works hard and has a drive to be,

43:48 you know, an NFL quarterback.

43:49 So we'll have to see.

43:50 - And I, you know,

43:51 I don't want to be Mr.

43:52 Revisionist history.

43:53 Like Matt came into the league as someone who people thought

43:56 could succeed if he had a good supporting cast around him.

43:59 And we saw glimpses of that and then was put in a horrible

44:02 position where he was getting hit on a consistent basis so

44:05 badly that he started to lose confidence and really just his

44:08 decision-making went out the window.

44:10 Like I do, I want to, I cannot emphasize enough.

44:13 I do not think Matt was put in a position to succeed.

44:15 And when he's, like you said,

44:16 when he mentioned there were things outside of his control,

44:19 my ears kind of perked up.

44:20 I was like, that's a weird,

44:22 it's kind of a weird thing to say.

44:23 Usually as a quarterback, you just take all of it,

44:25 which even that you could read into if you want to,

44:27 I'm not going to, but also I want your take on how,

44:31 what did,

44:32 what was your interpretation of him being the emergency

44:35 third quarterback?

44:36 Cause some people said that they thought that they were

44:38 trying to protect his, like protect an asset,

44:41 which is like, I mean, as a backup,

44:43 like you're really that worried that you don't even want him

44:45 to go in as a backup in a game plan where you're probably

44:49 going to run a lot in the pass rush.

44:50 I mean, obviously Bailey's never got sacked five times in

44:53 the game. So, you know,

44:54 we're not going to pretend like the pass rush wasn't a

44:55 factor. It wasn't like the Tennessee snow game where guys

44:58 had zero traction, but I thought that was a little weird.

45:02 He, I think somebody asked him about it and he didn't really

45:04 give too much thought into it or didn't really give us

45:06 anything. But Bill said that Nathan work out,

45:09 played him in practice,

45:09 which is a guy who got here only a few weeks ago.

45:13 And wasn't all,

45:14 this isn't even a little career where he had one playoff

45:17 game where you're like, Oh my God, like,

45:19 he might have something. It was like, nah, he was fine.

45:21 Yeah. It's a good place. It was whatever.

45:23 What was your take there?

45:24 Cause I thought that whole thing was just odd,

45:27 whether it's one or the other,

45:28 I think it's doesn't look good for Mac.

45:30 - Yeah, definitely an odd,

45:34 odd situation is the right, you know,

45:35 the right way to describe it.

45:37 I wish I, you know,

45:38 there's so many reasons why they could have done it.

45:40 And I don't really have an opinion on which one it actually

45:43 is because Max said it today that it was a good opportunity

45:45 for him to stay healthy, which I found interesting.

45:48 Perhaps he went to them and said,

45:50 I don't want to be the backup.

45:52 I want to stay healthy for,

45:53 for next season because I've worked hard and I want the

45:55 ability to play football next year. God forbid.

45:58 I have to go out there and in,

45:59 in favor of Zappy and you know,

46:01 I do something to my leg or I'm not going to talk anything

46:03 to his distance, but you get my point,

46:05 but it could have also been a final,

46:09 for whatever reason,

46:10 a final sort of FU from Bill Belichick to Mac Jones,

46:12 where it's like, and, and I don't think he would do that.

46:15 That doesn't feel like a thing that Bill's going to do.

46:17 - That's super petty, like even for Bill, that's like.

46:19 - Yeah, for what, yeah.

46:21 For what reason is he going to be like, you know what?

46:23 No, this is it. You're done. See ya.

46:25 Like, so I don't know.

46:26 And my only thing would be that either Max said it,

46:30 Max Camp said it,

46:31 or they worked together on the fact that, you know,

46:34 let's sit you down for this reason, this reason,

46:37 this reason they both agreed on it.

46:38 I don't think it would be sort of a last ditch effort for,

46:41 you know, to shut Mac up and sit Mac down.

46:44 So I feel like it was probably something agreed upon by

46:46 them and yeah, maybe, you know,

46:48 maybe Nathan Rourke did outplay him,

46:50 but at the end of the day,

46:51 I don't know how much I want to really look into it,

46:53 but I think that, yeah, just that,

46:56 that he saved himself and got hurt.

46:57 So good.

46:58 - Nothing that we want to blow up or anything.

46:59 It just, you know, it's such an odd situation.

47:02 I figured it just.

47:03 - It was very strange.

47:04 It was a very, you know, final, like, huh?

47:06 Like, why are they doing this?

47:07 Well, you know, at this point in time, it was kind of.

47:09 - Nothing to like blow up.

47:10 It's the end of the season.

47:12 We have a lot of things are going to happen

47:13 between now and then.

47:14 I don't think anybody's going to remember that Nathan Rourke

47:16 outplayed Mac Jones in the last practice

47:18 of a meaningless season.

47:20 Well, it was a meaningless season at that point,

47:21 but talk about the quarterback situation.

47:24 Patriots have the third overall pick.

47:26 Could have been the second,

47:27 but the commanders couldn't get it done

47:29 against the Cowboys, but still number three, as I mentioned,

47:32 they're in prime position to get any of the quarter.

47:34 If they really, really like a guy,

47:36 they have the capital to potentially trade up.

47:38 As you know, the Bears have the first overall pick.

47:40 It seems like they're going to stick with Justin Fields

47:42 because he really finished the season on a high note,

47:45 but you actually posted something today

47:47 that I'm sure got a lot of attention.

47:49 You can explain this for yourself, but look at that.

47:52 - I will.

47:53 - Third overall.

47:54 Bleacher report to be.

47:55 - It's my guy, Joe Alt.

47:56 - Joe Alt.

47:57 - Yes.

47:58 - And he's going to be protecting Bayleigh's Zappi.

48:00 Now that was Bleacher Report.

48:03 That wasn't you, but.

48:05 - Yeah, so people start flipping out on me, right?

48:07 My mentions are blowing up.

48:09 It gets a million quote toots.

48:10 And to be fair, that's exactly why I do something like this

48:13 is for people to see another, you know,

48:16 another mock draft and go crazy about it, right?

48:18 But a lot of people thought that was my mock draft.

48:20 - I did at first, I'm not going to lie.

48:21 I like scrolled past it.

48:22 It was like, Mike, what are we doing?

48:24 (laughing)

48:26 - Joe Alt was kind of funny in that,

48:31 that pissed a lot of people off.

48:32 So that's what I was.

48:33 No, don't say.

48:34 - As much as Zach Wilson?

48:34 As much as Zach Wilson?

48:35 - I don't know, actually.

48:38 That kind of got lost in the shuffle yesterday.

48:39 The Patriot meme was.

48:40 - Yeah.

48:41 - But no, I.

48:42 - You got lucky that got buried.

48:43 (laughing)

48:45 - But yeah, no.

48:48 So I don't think they should take Joe Alt.

48:50 I think they should probably take a quarterback,

48:53 but it wouldn't shock me if they take Marvin Harrison Jr.

48:56 either at that spot.

48:57 It also wouldn't shock.

49:00 - Should they?

49:01 Should they take Marvin Harrison Jr.?

49:03 - I mean, he's probably one of the best players

49:05 in the class.

49:06 And so are the quarterbacks, to be fair.

49:07 And it's a quarterback league

49:09 and you desperately need a quarterback.

49:10 It would not piss me off as much as it would

49:16 if they, you know, drafted again, Joe Alt or Olufesana.

49:19 Like, I think that they need a skill position at that spot.

49:23 And I wouldn't be mad if they ended up taking

49:26 Marvin Harrison Jr. there.

49:27 But I do think at the end of the day,

49:28 they need a quarterback.

49:29 And whether it's Jaden Daniels or, you know,

49:31 a Drake May who falls to that spot,

49:34 you know, that could easily be the option too.

49:37 - Yep.

49:38 So here's the thing for me with the Marvin Harrison Jr. thing.

49:41 I would typically be all in.

49:42 Like you get blue chip players, bottom line.

49:46 The thing is, I think that Caleb, Drake, and Jaden

49:48 all have blue chip player potential.

49:51 If they are surrounded by the right people

49:53 and they are developed properly,

49:54 I think they can become quarterbacks who you genuinely fear

49:58 and that's invaluable.

49:59 But if you think about like, okay,

50:01 so if you go into the season with Bailey Zappi,

50:03 Mack Jones, and Marvin Harrison Jr. outside,

50:06 who are some examples of pocket quarterbacks

50:08 who their franchise prioritize?

50:12 At least, okay, so with a franchise

50:15 where you have a great wide receiver,

50:17 but you don't have a great offensive line.

50:19 Joe Burrow is like the headliner,

50:21 where everybody was saying they need to get a tackle

50:22 until they get Jamar Chase.

50:24 It's a hard one to really insult them for

50:26 because it's worked out pretty well.

50:28 They went to a Super Bowl.

50:29 They're perennial playoff contenders

50:30 when Joe Burrow is healthy.

50:31 When Joe Burrow is healthy.

50:33 Joe Burrow has gotten the crap kicked out of him for years

50:36 and it's affected his health.

50:38 And obviously Jamar Chase has had a lot of success,

50:41 but you're also talking about someone in Joe Burrow

50:43 who has some of the best plays in the NFL.

50:45 Like he entered the NFL as one of the best players

50:49 inside the pocket in the league

50:50 and then actually played to that.

50:52 I don't even know if there's anybody in this class

50:54 who's nearly that good.

50:55 And I know that Bailey Zappi and Mac Jones aren't that good.

50:58 - Nope. - We've seen it.

50:59 - No, they're not.

51:00 - So if you're saying, okay,

51:01 we're gonna go in with the quarterbacks Patriots have.

51:04 If you're talking about, okay, what's their superpower?

51:06 Bailey Zappi, he's got a good deep ball.

51:07 Mac Jones, it's his brain, sure.

51:09 But what's another guy you wanna talk about

51:12 in a similar situation is Tuatago Bailoa

51:14 when they got him Tyree kill,

51:15 but Teron Armstead, his best tackle is always hurt.

51:18 His offensive line can't stay healthy.

51:20 He has to get the ball out in less than two and a half

51:22 seconds, which is pretty average for a quarterback.

51:25 He's letting that thing go with crazy anticipation.

51:27 And look what happened last night.

51:28 He tries to throw the anticipation,

51:30 but the defender broke on it and it's intercepted

51:32 because it's nice as anticipation sounds

51:35 when it's working well.

51:36 And Tua's like tearing up the Patriots

51:37 because John Jones doesn't even know

51:39 where he's going with the ball

51:40 because he's looking this way and throwing this way.

51:42 It's great when it works, it's not when it doesn't.

51:44 And it'd be a lot better if he had an offensive line

51:47 where maybe he had the comp.

51:47 Now, obviously Tua, like the whole

51:49 getting rid of the ball fast thing.

51:50 That's just been his, you know, it's kind of this thing.

51:52 But at the same time, if you had a good offensive line

51:54 where you can really sit back there,

51:56 kind of survey the field,

51:57 and maybe he can develop that part of his game,

51:59 maybe we're talking about a different kind of guy.

52:01 But instead he's got Tyree Kiel, but no protection.

52:04 And he just lets the ball go so fast

52:06 that at times it works against him.

52:07 So I don't really get the argument there

52:09 because if you don't have a great, you know,

52:11 if they get the quarterback,

52:12 they still get to get the tackle.

52:13 So you're assuming, okay,

52:14 maybe Bailey's happy does get a good tackle.

52:16 But even still, I'm not sure what your ceiling is there

52:19 because at best we've seen Bailey Zappi

52:21 can hit a really good goal ball, but that's inconsistent.

52:24 And then in the short, in the quick game,

52:26 it's been all over the place.

52:27 Like we haven't seen enough from him to be like,

52:29 you know what?

52:30 And I was even saying after the Denver game,

52:32 I'm like, you know what?

52:33 I want to see what Bailey Zappi's got.

52:34 If he has a really good game against the Bills,

52:36 then you know what?

52:37 I may buy into it.

52:39 And he didn't, he didn't live up to that.

52:41 And he keeps making mistakes.

52:42 Some were in his fault.

52:43 You know, he had to deal with a tough situation

52:46 with like all of their best players hurt.

52:48 But I just don't see how you pass up getting a quarterback

52:51 who can bring up the entire offense for a wide receiver

52:54 who still by nature of the position,

52:57 like you're not going to be the entire offense.

52:59 You're going to be a big part of it,

53:00 but you also need other things around you.

53:01 And it helps when you have a quarterback

53:03 who can put the ball wherever they want,

53:05 or if everybody's covered in Marvin Harris Jr.

53:07 is going against, you know, the next first,

53:08 if he's going against Christian Gonzalez

53:10 and he can't get open,

53:11 it helps when Jayne Daniels can also run for 50 yards

53:14 and out juke everybody in the defense.

53:15 So I just don't want the argument for taking a receiver.

53:18 - The one pushback I'd give is like where you have,

53:22 you know, when it's all said and done,

53:24 where does the team or where do scouts

53:26 and where does the pre-draft process put Jayden Daniels

53:29 in comparison to those two guys?

53:30 'Cause I know you're very high on him

53:32 and I think he's going to be a hell of a player too.

53:34 But I just think that when you look at, you know,

53:37 position of need and you know, where you can get guys,

53:41 like, you know, how big is your,

53:43 I guess your difference between a Jayden Daniels

53:46 versus a Michael Penix where, okay,

53:48 you take Marvin Harrison Jr. at three

53:50 and then you use some capital and say Penix falls,

53:53 you trade up in the first round and grab Penix at 20

53:55 or something like that.

53:56 Like there's a bunch of different,

53:57 I know it might not happen, but there's like, you know,

54:01 it's what's today, January 8th, right?

54:03 Like we're talking about something that's going to happen

54:06 in four months from now, a lot's going to change.

54:08 And so I just, I look at a blue chipper

54:11 like Marvin Harrison Jr.

54:12 It might be hard for them to pass up

54:14 depending on free agency and where other quarterbacks go

54:17 and what happens.

54:18 There's so many different options,

54:20 but I don't want to rule out

54:21 the best skill position player in the class.

54:24 - And I hate to, and I like Joel too.

54:27 Honestly, I would take Joel over Marvin Harrison Jr.

54:30 Because think about it.

54:31 How many fourth round tackles do you know

54:33 who are killing it in the league?

54:34 How many fourth round quarterbacks do you know

54:36 that are killing it in the league?

54:37 How many fourth round receivers are killing it in the league?

54:40 - Whole lot more receivers than there are quarterbacks

54:42 and offensive tackles.

54:43 - No, that's a good point. - They're just rare.

54:45 There's only so many in the entire world.

54:47 So when you talk about positional value,

54:49 I just think it's, I know like all the great teams

54:52 have good wide receivers,

54:53 but they also have good quarterbacks.

54:55 And the ones that have decent quarterbacks like Etuah,

54:58 they don't beat playoff teams.

55:00 Where it's like, yeah,

55:01 but that guy can only help you so much

55:02 if you can't get him the ball consistently

55:04 or in a position where he can get consistent yack

55:07 or where he can take, you know, a deep ball

55:09 and rather than having to jump up and body catch it,

55:11 instead he catches it in stride

55:12 and then goes down for a touchdown.

55:14 And that's the thing we're thinking about.

55:15 And you know, people are talking about

55:18 if you want to move up in the draft, maybe,

55:19 or do something like that,

55:20 where you're probably going to have to give up

55:22 like a future first round pick.

55:23 Imagine if they get their quarterback this year

55:26 and they get like a good receiver core,

55:28 maybe like one star, like a T Higgins

55:29 or somebody that you respect,

55:30 then next year, oh look, we have another first round pick.

55:33 And we have a quarterback who's still on a rookie deal.

55:36 We can get him his guy.

55:37 That's what happened with Joe Burrow.

55:38 It took, I mean, he still had T Higgins,

55:39 but in year two, they got him Jamar Chase.

55:41 And that was when they really started cooking.

55:43 So I feel like you can still get your receiver,

55:46 but I just don't think it's enough of a priority right now.

55:48 But you know, I know I'm kind of dragging this on.

55:51 It's just, I mean, I'm in my head all the time

55:53 thinking like, damn, could they get Marvin?

55:55 'Cause that would be really freaking cool.

55:57 I don't see how you do it.

55:59 - I get it.

56:00 I mean, you look at the top,

56:01 the top call it five receivers in football,

56:03 like Devonta Adams, second round pick,

56:05 Justin Jefferson back into the first round,

56:06 Cooper Cup, third round pick, second, third round pick.

56:09 Like you can get these guys later.

56:11 Like, I don't hate the sentiment.

56:14 Like even Jamar Chase was top five, but besides that,

56:17 I mean, the top, top receivers currently in the league

56:20 were not, you know, top of the first round pick.

56:23 So I see what you're saying.

56:24 It's a very deep position.

56:26 So we'll see how it plays out.

56:27 It's gonna be fun.

56:28 - And all right, last one, before I get you out of here,

56:30 who's your favorite quarterback?

56:31 Who's your guy?

56:32 If they could get anybody, if they were like,

56:33 you know what, we're gonna trade up if we have to,

56:35 we just want our guy, who would it be for you?

56:37 - It's Caleb Williams.

56:38 It's Caleb Williams all day, twice on Sunday.

56:40 - That's kind of unfair.

56:41 That's kind of, okay, other than Caleb Williams,

56:42 other than Caleb Williams, I set you up there.

56:44 (laughing)

56:47 - Man. - I think I know.

56:49 - It's Caleb and then it's, I don't think it's a drop off,

56:54 but I do, I love Michael Penix.

56:55 Like I also, I don't wanna piss off Brian

57:00 and not, you know, sit here and talk about Drake May all day

57:02 'cause I know Brian loves Drake May.

57:04 So I'll give Brian Drake May and I'll say Michael Penix.

57:06 I just think that his accuracy is absolutely incredible.

57:11 He's also a lefty.

57:12 I am also a lefty, so we have that in common.

57:15 But I just think his ball placement is unbelievable.

57:17 Like he puts it in striker guys that feel as though,

57:19 like they don't even have to move their hands

57:20 because they just run and the ball finds them.

57:22 Like he is so accurate and he's not, you know,

57:26 I just think he's a baller.

57:28 He just showed up in a freaking ski mask

57:30 before the game today.

57:31 Like that dude, I just, I love him.

57:32 I like his moxie.

57:33 He's, you know, he's a six year senior.

57:35 He's been hurt a few times.

57:36 So that might be a little bit of a knock on him,

57:37 but he's been healthy lately.

57:40 He has experience.

57:41 I like Penix.

57:42 I think if you watch his tape flipped,

57:45 look at him as a righty, I'm with Alex Barth here.

57:48 He might be the top two pick in the class

57:50 if he was a righty, but I'm a Penix fan.

57:52 So we'll see what happens.

57:54 - Fair enough.

57:54 All right, the actual last thing before I get you out of here,

57:56 who you got tonight?

57:58 - Washington.

57:58 I just said Penix.

57:59 We're going with the Huskies.

58:00 - I was thinking sure.

58:02 - And I'm also, if anyone wants to follow along

58:04 and flip out with me on Twitter,

58:06 I am betting Rome Adunze over,

58:09 I think it's 85 and a half yards tonight.

58:11 He's at a hundred on each of his last three

58:12 and his number is like 85 and a half.

58:13 So I'm taking the over, follow me along.

58:15 Let's go do it and let's have some fun.

58:17 Let's win at that.

58:18 So go Huskies.

58:19 Doug Cide, shout out Doug.

58:20 I'm going with Washington on this one tonight.

58:22 - I'm in the same boat.

58:23 I took the points with Washington.

58:25 - All right.

58:26 - Go Huskies.

58:27 But that, it's going to be a fun game.

58:28 Whoever wins, we are going to be entertained.

58:31 It'll be fun.

58:32 Thank you, Mike.

58:33 I appreciate you.

58:34 Also, if there's anything else you want to plug for this week,

58:36 I know you got the piece coming out tomorrow.

58:38 Anything else you want to let people know about?

58:40 - Quick piece on Mac tomorrow,

58:41 talking about what his future holds.

58:42 Besides that, we're just kind of waiting

58:44 and keeping everybody up to date

58:45 on what happens with Belichick here.

58:46 So follow along on Twitter @MikeKadlik

58:48 and you can read me at weei.com.

58:51 - All right.

58:52 Thank you, brother.

58:53 Thank you all for watching as always.

58:54 Take care of yourselves.

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