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00:00:00 [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:00:08 Can you say hard hats, folks?

00:00:10 Hard hats, munch pails, steel tool boots.

00:00:12 Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.

00:00:15 Look at this boomer right here.

00:00:16 You've just got so much talent here.

00:00:19 Somebody said we need to apologize for Jamie.

00:00:21 Can I pull the John?

00:00:22 What are we apologizing for?

00:00:23 What did we say?

00:00:24 What did we do?

00:00:25 [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:00:34 I enjoyed that.

00:00:36 Did you?

00:00:37 I think that was our first time here for that, yeah.

00:00:40 Yeah.

00:00:41 I played it the other day when you guys--

00:00:43 it was just me and Jimmy.

00:00:46 Anyway, mixed bag of a game that we're going to talk about.

00:00:53 And just in our little pre-game chat here,

00:00:58 it seems like there's positive and negative.

00:01:02 Everyone's got something to say.

00:01:03 As usual, these are going to be slow builds for me.

00:01:11 So I'll let you guys start, because I've got

00:01:13 a lot on my mind right now.

00:01:16 And again, anybody joining us here, has it.

00:01:18 Celtics lose to the Warriors in a game that they were up,

00:01:24 I think, 15 and possibly 17 was the high mark here.

00:01:31 And they lost.

00:01:32 And they lost this game.

00:01:34 They pissed it away.

00:01:35 Didn't close out as they should have.

00:01:38 Were outscored by 11 in the fourth quarter and 6-2 in OT.

00:01:43 Missing bunnies, settling for threes.

00:01:46 And I really think, above all else,

00:01:49 you can go into individual performances.

00:01:51 I think they completely went away

00:01:52 from what was working, which is old Celtics basketball, which

00:01:57 is build the lead and then slow it down and settle for shots

00:02:01 and ISO and do all of the things that don't necessarily

00:02:06 amount to wins or equal what had gotten you

00:02:11 to that point to begin with.

00:02:13 And I think that's kind of where they got tonight.

00:02:15 But Sherrod, I'll start with you.

00:02:18 And you can go in any direction you want here,

00:02:20 because I'm sure we'll cover it all.

00:02:22 Yeah, well, I'm going to save the cater talk for later.

00:02:25 Because that's really, for me, that

00:02:26 was the revelation in this game that I just did not see coming.

00:02:31 But it just felt that watching this game play down the stretch,

00:02:36 I didn't think Golden State did anything special.

00:02:39 Celtics, you're right, John.

00:02:40 They did get into a little bit more ISO ball

00:02:42 than we know they need to.

00:02:45 And I thought they leaned way too heavy

00:02:46 on Al Horford in the corner.

00:02:48 I mean, damn, seriously?

00:02:50 That was their go-to offensive move.

00:02:52 And there were just moments in the game

00:02:54 where it seemed that they got away from what works.

00:02:57 I mean, when Steph hit that 1-3, that made it like 1-16, 1-15,

00:03:02 and they come back down, I'm thinking it's Tatum time.

00:03:05 We've got about two, three minutes left to play.

00:03:07 You've got to get it done.

00:03:08 And that first possession, Tatum didn't touch the ball once.

00:03:12 And they have these stretches where

00:03:14 it seems like it's a no-brainer that your best

00:03:16 score is going to get the ball.

00:03:17 And they decided to do something different.

00:03:20 This was a game that they had their opportunities

00:03:22 to win this thing, and they squandered those opportunities.

00:03:25 But when I look at the totality of this game,

00:03:28 there were more things I liked that they

00:03:32 did than things I didn't like.

00:03:35 This was just one of them games.

00:03:37 I mean, Sam Hauser doesn't make a shot.

00:03:40 And I can't remember the last time he's had a game like that.

00:03:44 And I don't feel bad about this loss the way

00:03:48 I think a lot of fans probably feel,

00:03:51 because Golden State, record-wise,

00:03:53 at the end of the day, they've got multiple guys

00:03:55 who've won championships on that team.

00:03:56 And Steph Curry-- and we talked about this

00:03:59 before we went on air--

00:04:00 he just had a five-year stretch of making threes per game,

00:04:05 at least one three per game.

00:04:06 Snap.

00:04:06 So you knew he was going to come back and be

00:04:08 more impactful from deep.

00:04:10 And he was when it mattered most.

00:04:13 Yeah, I feel a little worse about it,

00:04:14 just because I don't think Big Curry plays

00:04:17 throughout Kostya's one.

00:04:19 Certainly at the end, they did.

00:04:21 But the Celtics had a 10-point lead early,

00:04:23 had an 11-point lead midway through this game.

00:04:25 Not massive leads, but ones that we've talked about this year

00:04:29 you hope to build on, you hope to expand

00:04:31 when you're playing against a team that's, frankly,

00:04:33 as you said, Sharrod, flailing in recent weeks

00:04:36 with the Draymond suspension.

00:04:37 They lose Pudzinski in this game,

00:04:38 have to go with Corey Joseph for bench minutes.

00:04:41 And I didn't even realize he was on this team.

00:04:43 So you wanted to take care of business

00:04:47 against a team that was in rough shape coming into this game.

00:04:51 And they certainly got some great performances

00:04:53 deep off their bench.

00:04:54 The Celtics bench kind of had it done,

00:04:56 other than Cato, who we'll get to in a little bit here.

00:04:59 But Ruff Houser game, a rough warfare game,

00:05:02 if we're involving him and the bench crew there.

00:05:04 And then Pritchard had some good shots

00:05:06 throughout the fall of this game.

00:05:07 So I guess you give him the hat tip as well here.

00:05:10 But the offensive management late, Ruff,

00:05:13 didn't love Joe's coaching late in this game, which

00:05:15 we can get to in a minute.

00:05:17 The no timeout call, I know John, as always, didn't love.

00:05:20 And it led to a disaster shot, again, at the end of regulation.

00:05:24 And then you outplayed pretty bad in overtime.

00:05:26 Look, and I'll get into the--

00:05:28 again, that's the nitpicky stuff.

00:05:31 I don't like it either.

00:05:32 And I tweeted about it and predicted--

00:05:35 so I like the theory behind doing it,

00:05:39 which is don't give the other team a chance

00:05:42 to settle their defense.

00:05:44 You attack, and you go, and you get them on their heels.

00:05:48 It doesn't work when you walk it up and give it to Tatum

00:05:51 and allow him to get double teamed,

00:05:53 and all he can do is shoot that prayer--

00:05:55 Well, he was against a single there.

00:05:56 He just couldn't get free.

00:05:57 I know.

00:05:58 He couldn't get free.

00:05:59 But that's a 15-percenter there.

00:06:01 Like, I mean, that's such a small chance.

00:06:04 So yeah, draw something up then.

00:06:06 Like, I don't understand it.

00:06:08 So--

00:06:09 I also saw the point, too.

00:06:10 Brad used to do it all the time.

00:06:11 When the play's falling apart, then you can call a timeout

00:06:14 midway through.

00:06:15 With four seconds left, yeah.

00:06:16 I don't like where we are here.

00:06:18 Tatum's 40 feet from the basket.

00:06:19 This isn't going to go right.

00:06:21 He's never done that.

00:06:22 Not that I can remember.

00:06:24 One time.

00:06:25 Maybe, yeah.

00:06:27 But anyway, I'm not going to nitpick that.

00:06:29 That's annoying as hell.

00:06:31 I mean, if you want to go very, very--

00:06:33 the two basic broad, I think, takeaways are going to be--

00:06:37 and again, this is going to be the push and pull

00:06:40 between the everything's all right crew

00:06:44 and the sky is falling crew.

00:06:46 And obviously, it's somewhere in the middle.

00:06:49 It's not even somewhere in the middle.

00:06:50 It's still an excellent team that lost a game.

00:06:53 And Steph Curry--

00:06:53 Without Porzingis.

00:06:54 --had a ridiculous shot late.

00:06:55 And without Porzingis, even though Golden State is

00:06:58 shorthanded to Tatum, Rolls, and Ankle,

00:07:02 you can make a million excuses here.

00:07:04 But at the end of the game, you're

00:07:06 going to look at this and the people who are always

00:07:11 trying to wrestle with--

00:07:12 this is the year, right?

00:07:14 They can do it this year, right?

00:07:15 This is the team.

00:07:16 They've got what it takes.

00:07:17 They've got all of it.

00:07:18 And then you see the core guys come

00:07:21 to pieces against a good team on the road

00:07:25 like this in ways that are reminiscent of past teams

00:07:30 and how they had lost.

00:07:31 And it's impossible not to remember, crap,

00:07:34 it's the same guys.

00:07:35 And like--

00:07:36 John, this is the same building last season,

00:07:38 swung in the inconsistency and with a loss

00:07:40 like this against the Warriors.

00:07:42 And so it's impossible to not see that and think that.

00:07:46 Is it an overreaction?

00:07:47 Of course.

00:07:48 Of course, in a vacuum, talking about one game

00:07:52 as if it's the most important thing

00:07:54 in the history of the world and like, oh my god, you lost this.

00:07:57 It's doomsday.

00:07:58 That's an overreaction.

00:08:00 But being concerned about this type of loss

00:08:03 against this type of team in that building in this manner,

00:08:08 I think is justified.

00:08:09 And I think that's what it's going to come down to for me

00:08:12 and for a lot of people who are right on that ledge of like,

00:08:15 no one can beat these guys.

00:08:17 They can do it.

00:08:18 But then you see this and you're like, oh man, I don't know.

00:08:22 What do you do against Jimmy Butler's heat?

00:08:24 Are you going to be better than you were last year?

00:08:26 What do you do against a team like Golden State

00:08:28 if you run into them late?

00:08:29 And by the way, this was my prediction for the finals,

00:08:32 Celtics-Warriors, even though Golden State's not living up

00:08:35 to their end of the bargain.

00:08:36 That's worrisome.

00:08:37 That's my number one headline.

00:08:39 My number two is your best player sucked all night.

00:08:42 And their best player was really good and hit a shot.

00:08:46 And then the game before that, you watch John Moran--

00:08:50 Can we beat off of Tatum?

00:08:52 --haven't played in months.

00:08:54 And he gets the ball in his hands on the last shot.

00:08:56 What does he do?

00:08:56 He goes to the basket, spins.

00:08:58 It's a buzzer shot.

00:08:59 And Tatum predictably leans into the thing

00:09:02 he's absolutely the worst at in basketball,

00:09:05 that frigging pull-up three.

00:09:07 And just enough already.

00:09:10 Like, he needs help.

00:09:11 He needs counseling.

00:09:12 Stop.

00:09:13 He has to stop.

00:09:15 He has to stop taking that shot.

00:09:17 He needs some-- he needs--

00:09:20 like, oh, God.

00:09:21 Anyway, so that's frustrating.

00:09:24 All of that is frustrating.

00:09:26 So I want to start with Tatum.

00:09:28 If they come out and wipe everybody out tomorrow,

00:09:30 wipe out Sacramento in a bounce back game

00:09:33 and blow through the two LA games,

00:09:36 we'll forget about a lot of this stuff.

00:09:38 But this is reminiscent of other bad.

00:09:41 So it's more looking back than projecting forward

00:09:44 as to what does this loss mean.

00:09:46 And that's how I'm putting it.

00:09:47 I'm not overreacting to the one.

00:09:49 But it's impossible not to remember.

00:09:51 And that's where I'm at.

00:09:52 But sure, start with Tatum.

00:09:53 Throughout the course of this game,

00:09:55 it felt like they had golden opportunities

00:09:57 to batter the Warriors inside.

00:09:59 And Trace Jackson Davis changed that a little bit

00:10:01 with his rim protection that he brought off the bench.

00:10:04 But in the starting lineup, the Warriors

00:10:06 look completely vulnerable inside,

00:10:08 not to mention the fact that Curry ends up

00:10:10 with five fouls before the start of the fourth in this one.

00:10:13 So this is a game where it looked like Tatum, all day

00:10:16 long, could have posted up, could have gone to the rim,

00:10:19 drawn free throws, played a power game,

00:10:22 much like Brown did in this game, I thought.

00:10:24 Well, but they guard him so well.

00:10:27 And it goes back to the final, Sherrod.

00:10:29 They make him a passer.

00:10:31 They put two on him.

00:10:32 They have a guy in the lane.

00:10:33 Every time he catches it inside, there's another guy lined up.

00:10:36 And I sit there watching how effective it is against them.

00:10:39 And I'm like, why don't more teams do this against Tatum?

00:10:42 He made some great passes in this game.

00:10:44 I love the pass-pass out that I think got White a three

00:10:46 in the corner.

00:10:47 And he ends up with how many assists in this one?

00:10:49 And to go back to some of our earlier conversations,

00:10:52 the hockey assist.

00:10:53 He was great with those in this one.

00:10:54 But seven assists, you look at that with no turnovers

00:10:57 and say, wow, great Tatum night, other than the shooting.

00:10:59 And I do think missed shots were a big part of this game.

00:11:02 It's Joe, I'm sure, who's going to say.

00:11:04 But they made Tatum passive.

00:11:06 They made him a passer.

00:11:08 And it ends up looking nice on the score sheet.

00:11:10 But when you're watching this game, John, Sherrod,

00:11:13 he let them off the hook by passing out

00:11:15 a couple bodies at the rim.

00:11:17 He did.

00:11:18 Tatum makes himself passive.

00:11:20 But anyway, you're right.

00:11:22 But the Warriors really bring it out of him.

00:11:24 Well, I think part of that is because he just doesn't--

00:11:30 the edge that he plays with and the focus that he plays with,

00:11:33 for some reason, it sends a kind of flutter against the Warriors.

00:11:38 It's not at the level that it needs to be.

00:11:40 And this was one of those games where, I mean,

00:11:43 honest to goodness, as much as we're going to--

00:11:45 and we're certainly-- Tatum is at--

00:11:48 there's no question.

00:11:49 He's a big part of what happened tonight.

00:11:52 I'm going to put a little bit of this on Joe, too.

00:11:54 Because as a coach, you've got to--

00:11:57 Thank you, Bass Rock, for the super chat here.

00:11:59 A lot of comments going at Joe here.

00:12:01 Yeah.

00:12:01 It's fair.

00:12:02 This was a game where Joe's passiveness, I think,

00:12:05 trickled down to the players.

00:12:07 I mean, think about this.

00:12:08 You're playing a Golden State team that you know damn well.

00:12:11 You can play bully ball on them all game.

00:12:14 And it was a smart move to play Kada as much as you did.

00:12:16 He played over 20--

00:12:17 he played like 20, 21 minutes and had a double-double.

00:12:20 But you had other guys on your roster

00:12:22 that you could play the bully ball game with.

00:12:23 And I thought that Joe didn't emphasize that enough,

00:12:26 particularly down the stretch.

00:12:28 I'm running some action where Tatum is getting

00:12:29 that ball on the elbow or somewhere

00:12:32 where he is going to force them to actually defend.

00:12:35 And the other thing, too, I understand

00:12:38 why Joe wanted them to not call a timeout

00:12:41 at the end of regulation and play.

00:12:42 But here's the thing.

00:12:44 You're playing a Golden State team that's not nearly

00:12:46 as good defensively as they've been.

00:12:48 That's why you call a timeout.

00:12:50 Because even if they get a chance to organize,

00:12:52 it's not going to be Golden State defense

00:12:55 that you're dealing with.

00:12:56 You're dealing with a weaker version of who they are.

00:12:59 And to me, there were moments in this game, at least five

00:13:04 or six, where you're thinking that, why are they doing that?

00:13:07 Why isn't the coach putting them in a position

00:13:10 to do something different?

00:13:11 So I thought a huge second guess for Joe,

00:13:14 beyond all the stuff you mentioned,

00:13:15 Shradd, which was valid.

00:13:16 I thought he coached a very rigid game,

00:13:18 as we've talked about.

00:13:19 They try to play the same way they

00:13:20 have against a team that was playing them differently

00:13:23 in terms of the defense and everything else.

00:13:25 But the challenges-- he ends up challenging this out

00:13:29 of bounds call.

00:13:30 And what was it, overtime, John?

00:13:32 This innocuous play where they lose--

00:13:35 oh, no, it's the end of the fourth--

00:13:37 End of the fourth, yeah.

00:13:38 --where they lose a timeout-- or whatever it was.

00:13:41 They lose a timeout.

00:13:42 So then they don't have an extra timeout

00:13:43 in that situation with a down four after the three, which

00:13:46 didn't matter because there wasn't a ton of time left.

00:13:48 But they had two golden opportunities,

00:13:50 I thought, to challenge before that on the Pritchard play.

00:13:53 And I can't figure out exactly on the fly

00:13:55 here how that would have changed the final score of the game.

00:13:58 But it looked like he got that three off, where they said

00:14:00 he stepped out of bounds.

00:14:01 Not a great camera angle on it, it looked like.

00:14:03 And I'm assuming that's why they didn't challenge that.

00:14:05 But I thought that would have been a really good three point

00:14:08 swing, especially since Curry hit that three the other way

00:14:11 over Horford right after that, to challenge that.

00:14:13 And at least stop the game in that spot.

00:14:15 There were three minutes left, so you lose a timeout

00:14:18 to 10 seconds later because of the mandatory.

00:14:22 And I was stunned he didn't challenge that.

00:14:24 And then they probably lose this one.

00:14:26 But that ground offensive foul going

00:14:29 into Curry that would have been Curry's six a couple moments

00:14:32 later, it's a flyer, right?

00:14:35 You could challenge a work call.

00:14:37 And I think they did.

00:14:38 I like that one.

00:14:40 Josue, fresh from the club.

00:14:42 We're going to bring him in here.

00:14:44 What do you mean?

00:14:45 I liked that.

00:14:47 The broadcast was like, that's a textbook charge.

00:14:49 And I was like, no, it's not.

00:14:52 You never know what the refs are going to call, right?

00:14:54 Was that Warriors TV that we watched?

00:14:57 I swear, I got those bots.

00:14:58 Not to sound like public's fans, but I got those bots.

00:15:00 I know.

00:15:01 I get that Curry's entitled to his spot there.

00:15:04 But Jalen didn't go through him.

00:15:06 Curry moved laterally into his spot.

00:15:08 It's a possible sixth foul.

00:15:10 And absorbed contact, that's a game-changing challenge.

00:15:14 This is what it comes to.

00:15:15 The challenges are stupid.

00:15:18 Like, I don't care how many he wins.

00:15:21 He's won a couple of good ones.

00:15:24 It's when you challenge and what it means.

00:15:28 Getting a sixth foul on a superstar,

00:15:30 getting a possession late--

00:15:32 He challenged an out-of-bounds call.

00:15:34 --reversing a foul on your own guy that could knock him out

00:15:39 of the game for a quarter.

00:15:40 Those are worth a flyer.

00:15:42 Even if you lose, what you get from winning them

00:15:46 is so important.

00:15:47 Just getting the ball back on a random possession

00:15:51 is so stupid and inconsequential.

00:15:54 Stop with those.

00:15:55 Those are dumb, especially the early ones.

00:15:57 They're dumb.

00:15:58 They're dumb challenges.

00:16:00 Like, do the ones that have weight, OK?

00:16:03 You get 90, 100 possessions in a game.

00:16:06 Like, OK, the second quarter, that out-of-bounds

00:16:09 should have been your ball.

00:16:10 Who freaking cares?

00:16:12 Save it for later when it really matters.

00:16:15 So yeah, the Currywine--

00:16:16 Or in this case, earlier.

00:16:17 Yeah.

00:16:18 Yeah, or earlier, whatever it is.

00:16:20 But anyway, back on Tatum, and we'll get Joe Swayze's take

00:16:23 here.

00:16:24 You don't have to stay on Tatum, but what's

00:16:27 your chief takeaway of this game?

00:16:29 I just felt like the Celtics, they

00:16:31 did that thing where they play with their food

00:16:34 when it really matters.

00:16:35 And you can't do that against this Golden State Warriors

00:16:37 team.

00:16:38 Listen, Jason Tatum didn't have an excellent game,

00:16:40 but a lot of guys did.

00:16:42 I mean, what I mean by that is Jalen Brown, Derek White

00:16:45 was phenomenal to use Bobby's words for each turn.

00:16:48 It was unbelievable the way he was impacting the game

00:16:51 on both ends of the floor.

00:16:52 And you blew it.

00:16:53 You blew it in the second half, or at least in the fourth

00:16:56 quarter, or in regulation, where this game shouldn't have even

00:16:58 gone to overtime.

00:16:59 And yeah, I'm with you, John.

00:17:00 I feel like in that situation, if you're Joe Mazzullo,

00:17:04 you take that challenge because of what it means, right?

00:17:07 It means Steph Curry picking up a sixth foul, frustration,

00:17:12 the Warriors and all that.

00:17:13 I mean, even if you don't win the challenge,

00:17:15 I figured it was worth it.

00:17:17 And when you look at that last challenge,

00:17:18 the out of bounds play, it just looked like a blind challenge.

00:17:21 It looked like one that he was just pulling for--

00:17:24 I just use it, yeah.

00:17:25 --crossing his fingers.

00:17:26 Let's just use it.

00:17:27 If not, so be it.

00:17:28 You can't do that in those type of situations

00:17:30 because timeouts mean everything,

00:17:32 especially on the road, especially in a game

00:17:34 where you went into overtime.

00:17:35 And you could have used one of those,

00:17:37 especially in that last minute.

00:17:39 Now, the Celtics, they have to stop doing this.

00:17:44 You had this lead.

00:17:45 You've been playing the right way.

00:17:46 You've been closing out quarters the right way,

00:17:48 which they did, in my opinion.

00:17:49 All three, except for the one that

00:17:51 mattered the most, obviously the fourth, that

00:17:53 led into overtime, that bled into Steph Curry going off

00:17:56 the way he did and closing this one out, that huge three

00:17:59 pointer.

00:18:00 That's what he does.

00:18:01 You give him so many opportunities to do that,

00:18:03 which they did, right?

00:18:04 Because he missed at least three of them

00:18:06 in that final minute or so, or at least,

00:18:08 including the end of fourth quarter going into overtime.

00:18:10 He's not going to continue to do that.

00:18:12 And of course, that wasn't the case.

00:18:13 He hit the biggest shot of the night.

00:18:14 And that was it for the Celtics.

00:18:16 Down four, two possession game in that moment,

00:18:19 there was little to no chance.

00:18:21 Yeah.

00:18:22 Yeah.

00:18:23 It's interesting, too, Josue, on the timeout point.

00:18:25 One opportunity.

00:18:26 Because you're down four at that point,

00:18:28 so you have to think you're going to need two timeouts,

00:18:30 I want to say, to come back with about less than a minute left.

00:18:34 So you lose that challenge, and you have one timeout late

00:18:37 after the Curry three down four.

00:18:39 Doesn't really matter with 12 seconds left,

00:18:41 but you want to have two there to give yourself a chance.

00:18:43 So I didn't love the management there.

00:18:45 Also, you could say, John, that the first challenge, the one

00:18:50 we mentioned with Brown, maybe they're not

00:18:52 going to give it to you because they don't want to take Curry

00:18:54 out of this game.

00:18:55 I think you could look at it that way.

00:18:57 But the Pritchard one, it really looked

00:19:00 like he was in bounds.

00:19:01 That was one I think he could have won.

00:19:03 And that swings the game.

00:19:05 Three points in your favor, three points

00:19:07 that they went right after.

00:19:09 I thought every angle actually showed he wasn't out of bounds.

00:19:13 It looked like when he shoots threes,

00:19:15 he doesn't put both his heels-- don't hit the ground.

00:19:18 His heel never touched the ground.

00:19:19 It was an awful call.

00:19:20 His left one never touched the ground, right.

00:19:22 Yeah.

00:19:23 I think you challenged that one.

00:19:25 I'm thinking to myself that he was going to go down,

00:19:27 and it's obviously going to go down in the wrong spot.

00:19:29 But it never went down.

00:19:30 At least the replays that they showed,

00:19:31 which was at least from three different angles.

00:19:35 But if you remember, guys, there was a two-second clip of--

00:19:39 you see Joe Mozilla turn to one of his assistants in the back.

00:19:43 He just looked really unsure.

00:19:44 He kept going back to his tape or his phone or whatever.

00:19:46 You know what?

00:19:47 I think he was telling him, Joe Slade, we don't have the angle.

00:19:49 Yeah, if we don't have the angle, we're

00:19:51 too big to be in the science section.

00:19:53 Yeah, I think that's what he was telling Joe.

00:19:54 He had that look on his face.

00:19:56 Joe wanted to challenge it.

00:19:57 Right, like hurry up, hurry up.

00:19:58 I really want to do this.

00:19:59 Do we have it or not?

00:20:00 He couldn't say.

00:20:01 That was a great angle, yeah.

00:20:03 And those plays ended up being super consequential, of course,

00:20:06 but also the play on the court.

00:20:07 I mean, the offense fell apart late.

00:20:10 And not having Porzingis out there is a big part of it.

00:20:12 But you also go back to some of the iso ball.

00:20:14 I think Holliday fell into it a little bit, too,

00:20:17 just trying to force up some shots in isolation.

00:20:19 Everybody did.

00:20:20 They completely stopped.

00:20:22 They completely stopped moving.

00:20:23 I think they got what's funny is--

00:20:25 and again, I have to go back and rewatch some of that fourth.

00:20:29 I know everyone's going to be like, why didn't you attack

00:20:31 Curry?

00:20:32 But I think the Warriors, certainly on several possessions,

00:20:36 baited the Celtics--

00:20:37 They doubled.

00:20:37 --from trying to attack Curry by bringing that double.

00:20:40 And when you were seeking out that switch on Curry late

00:20:44 in the clock, when that double came,

00:20:45 it forced them into a lot of late in the clock three-point

00:20:49 heaves.

00:20:49 And there were a ton of those in this game.

00:20:52 And so they kind of got stuck in that.

00:20:57 It's the whole, why does Sam Hauser lead the league

00:20:59 in defensive rating?

00:21:00 Because you get obsessed with attacking one person.

00:21:03 And then everybody knows you're going to attack that one person.

00:21:06 And it's easy to kind of figure out how you can counter that.

00:21:09 Golden State was bringing that double up there.

00:21:12 And when it's seven seconds left on the clock,

00:21:14 that next pass went to a guy that had no choice--

00:21:16 It was a grenade.

00:21:18 Yeah, just launch a grenade.

00:21:20 And that happened a bit there.

00:21:22 And they didn't see it.

00:21:23 And we could see it.

00:21:24 That's what I didn't get, is that's another place where

00:21:27 Joe's going to be like, stop it.

00:21:28 Run the offense.

00:21:29 Go, go.

00:21:31 Stop hunting the match up there.

00:21:33 I thought they went crazy, Iso Heavy, instead of--

00:21:36 people are saying they should have attacked Curry.

00:21:39 I think that was the mistake they made,

00:21:40 is that they were trying to seek out those match-ups.

00:21:43 And they were getting trapped and taking bad shots.

00:21:48 Yeah, I think the Warriors did a good job of protecting Curry

00:21:50 after he picked up his fifth foul,

00:21:52 especially when he got caught in the mismatch

00:21:54 against Jalen Brown down low in the paint.

00:21:56 If you're the Warriors, that should never happen.

00:21:58 There should have been a double team immediately on Jalen.

00:22:00 Or someone has to switch off of Steph

00:22:02 knowing that he's going to pick up his fifth personal foul.

00:22:05 So I feel like when you check back into the game,

00:22:07 the Warriors did a really good job of making sure

00:22:09 that that never happened again.

00:22:11 And I felt like the Southerners would just

00:22:12 continue to try to seek out that same opportunity.

00:22:15 You've got to know that the Warriors, they've

00:22:17 been in these type of situations before.

00:22:19 It is rare where we see Steph Curry foul out.

00:22:21 But whenever he's in foul trouble,

00:22:22 or whenever he gets to that point,

00:22:24 especially so early, like you did tonight in the third quarter,

00:22:28 the goal-setting Warriors, they know

00:22:30 how to make sure that doesn't happen again.

00:22:31 And obviously, in terms of the officials

00:22:34 and what they have to do to make it look good,

00:22:37 they're well-equipped to do that.

00:22:39 And I feel like that was the case in this game.

00:22:43 Yeah, and they were pretty aggressive with that.

00:22:45 Obviously, it burned them on that play

00:22:47 where they threw two on Tatum right up top

00:22:48 where Wade hit the three.

00:22:49 But Curry hit it, got right back the other way

00:22:52 before the game ended there.

00:22:54 And Warriors take it in the end.

00:22:56 So I love the coaching on Golden State's side.

00:22:59 That, among other things, the usage of the role players.

00:23:02 I thought Kaminga was great in this one.

00:23:04 Trace Jackson Davis, who was my guy in the draft for Boston,

00:23:08 just absolutely killed them here.

00:23:10 And a couple of big blocks, some momentum plays, rebounds.

00:23:15 He added the tip out to Chris Paul on the play

00:23:18 where Paul hit Curry for the decisive three.

00:23:21 And Celtics bench kind of fell flat in this one, more than not

00:23:25 I thought, especially Hauser.

00:23:27 Those misses by Hauser, wide open at the end of his final

00:23:30 stretch, were just brutal.

00:23:32 Brissette came in with a nice burst after the Tatum injury,

00:23:35 and you never saw him again, which I thought was weird.

00:23:38 Toche came in and hit three shots in five minutes.

00:23:43 I forgot about him.

00:23:44 He was on the freaking unit show right there.

00:23:46 That's why.

00:23:46 I thought Brissette was awesome for that little sprint.

00:23:49 He came out flying.

00:23:52 If Reggie Miller wasn't reading from his game notes

00:23:54 for the entire first half, he might have pointed out

00:23:57 that Brissette was just coming in and freaking yamming it

00:24:00 on everybody.

00:24:01 That shit was driving me crazy.

00:24:03 That, and the fact that it took them like seven minutes

00:24:06 to be like, oh wait, where's Tatum?

00:24:08 Oh shoot, is he injured?

00:24:09 Like, what are you guys talking about here?

00:24:11 I don't care about the latest on Draymond Lee.

00:24:14 Coming out of timeout.

00:24:15 They did a Kelly LaForse segment on Draymond.

00:24:17 Oh my god.

00:24:19 A top five NBA player just left the game.

00:24:21 That's exactly what we wanted to know.

00:24:23 Is Draymond OK?

00:24:25 How's that counseling going?

00:24:26 Thank you.

00:24:27 I appreciate the update.

00:24:29 That's what I'm saying.

00:24:30 It is Warriors TV?

00:24:31 Oh man.

00:24:32 That's how I thought the Celtics played in this one.

00:24:35 They didn't adapt enough.

00:24:36 They didn't switch up their game plan to the way

00:24:39 the Warriors were playing them.

00:24:41 And I thought the Warriors did a great job on the fly

00:24:43 trying to figure things out.

00:24:44 They lost a player in this game in Podzinski.

00:24:46 And here's Corey Joseph coming off the bench scoring on cuts.

00:24:48 So he can't catch him in the game late.

00:24:51 Kerr was awesome in this one.

00:24:52 Obviously, as Sherrod said, they had some urgency

00:24:54 coming into this game given how they played lately.

00:24:57 And the Celtics just won a million games at home.

00:24:59 So I'm sure that was a difference here.

00:25:01 But this is one you probably should have had.

00:25:04 Especially the way Jalen played early.

00:25:06 How good was he again?

00:25:07 And that just sort of faded late as they got back into Tatum.

00:25:11 And some of the normal things they do offensively.

00:25:14 We've talked about it all year, John.

00:25:16 When their game plan goes great, and it's

00:25:17 very simple and straightforward--

00:25:20 attack the mismatch, find the best matchup,

00:25:23 shoot the wide open three.

00:25:25 Those things are great when they're working.

00:25:27 But in this game, again, you had golden opportunities

00:25:29 to expose the Warriors at the rim.

00:25:31 And you didn't take them.

00:25:32 You just kept launching grenades, as you said,

00:25:35 at the end of the shot clock from three.

00:25:36 Or the guys were missing wide open threes.

00:25:38 White had a bunch of them in this game,

00:25:40 but other guys were off.

00:25:41 And they just kept shooting them, and shooting them,

00:25:43 and shooting them.

00:25:43 And I thought they settled so much in this game.

00:25:45 And I know we get a quote here from Joe, of course,

00:25:48 that he thought they played great and did the right things.

00:25:50 But something didn't work, right?

00:25:56 A lot of things did not work.

00:25:59 But that's just Joe.

00:26:03 I mean, the glass is going to have--

00:26:05 at least we have full 99% of the time with Joe.

00:26:09 That's just how he's built.

00:26:10 And then--

00:26:11 And I get it's one game, Sherrod.

00:26:13 They've been playing well.

00:26:14 It's one game.

00:26:15 But in the playoffs, this kind of game

00:26:19 could change the series, yeah.

00:26:22 Is Gary Washburn in San Francisco right now?

00:26:26 Is he allowed to ask about the threes?

00:26:30 If he does, we're in for a real moment here.

00:26:33 And if he does, I know he's got some receipts ready

00:26:36 or something ready for the sport.

00:26:38 There will be a meltdown.

00:26:39 There will be a meltdown of ginormous proportions.

00:26:43 58 threes.

00:26:45 58.

00:26:46 Yeah, and it got to the point where

00:26:53 they kept exchanging three-point misses with goal to stay.

00:26:56 Oh my god, to start overtime, it was like a three-point contest.

00:27:00 And I'm thinking after maybe the second or third missed three,

00:27:04 maybe we should try to get some action going at the rim.

00:27:07 Maybe we should try to get a post-seven shot.

00:27:08 Yeah.

00:27:10 Al Horford went to the post against Curry, drew a foul,

00:27:15 and got two free throws, his ninth and 10th of the season,

00:27:19 and his 16th and 17th since March 1, 2023.

00:27:24 He has shot 17 free throws since March.

00:27:27 I mean, look, Al is a shooting wing.

00:27:34 He's not a big--

00:27:34 he still has big man skills, obviously.

00:27:37 But that's not the role they wanted him to play.

00:27:40 And again, it goes back to what we were talking about coaching.

00:27:42 I mean, there's certain match-ups

00:27:45 that you, in the process of running your offense,

00:27:48 may appear as though you're hunting for that match-up,

00:27:51 but it's just making the right basketball play.

00:27:53 If you're Al Horford and you see that you're

00:27:56 matched up with Steph Curry, why in the world

00:27:58 are you 20 feet away from the rim?

00:28:00 Why?

00:28:01 There's no reason for that.

00:28:02 They bailed him out.

00:28:03 There's no other way to play it.

00:28:04 They bailed out the Warriors.

00:28:05 They did.

00:28:06 They did.

00:28:07 They did.

00:28:08 But obviously, there are a couple of guys that played,

00:28:11 I thought, really good.

00:28:12 But for the most part, this is one--

00:28:17 they probably should have won this game.

00:28:19 But the thing, Bobby, the reason why I'm not freaking out

00:28:22 about it, I'm not upset about it,

00:28:23 because over the course of a long season,

00:28:25 you're going to have nights like this.

00:28:27 I mean, Tatum missed a late-in-the-game--

00:28:29 missed a layup.

00:28:31 That was huge, man.

00:28:32 People could say what they want about the Al Pookhouse.

00:28:34 He should have made the first, man.

00:28:36 He could have made the possession.

00:28:37 Yeah, with five misses.

00:28:38 Jalen on the baseline.

00:28:40 Yep.

00:28:41 Al had one, too.

00:28:42 And then Al had one, and then Tatum.

00:28:44 So there was three just bunnies.

00:28:48 And you know it.

00:28:49 And you saw Al, too.

00:28:50 Right.

00:28:51 If those guys take those same shots 10 times,

00:28:54 they'd probably make them 9 out of 10 times.

00:28:56 And it just so happened, each of them

00:28:58 missed that shot in the same night.

00:29:01 Oh, see, I knew this was coming.

00:29:02 I knew.

00:29:03 See, look at the quote Ahmed just sent

00:29:05 when you guys get a chance.

00:29:06 I mean, this is what he points to whenever anyone wants to talk

00:29:11 smack about the three-point attempts.

00:29:12 It's like, well, how many layups did we miss today?

00:29:15 Mizzou's got a point there, I guess.

00:29:16 So let's talk about the potential layups

00:29:18 that they missed and the potential three-pointers

00:29:21 and the potential assists that they missed out on.

00:29:23 I mean--

00:29:23 So this is a fine line, Troy, too.

00:29:25 --it's about production.

00:29:26 You talk about the PLs.

00:29:27 It's about production.

00:29:28 It's about--

00:29:29 I get the philosophy, man.

00:29:30 --at the end of the day, the real issue is about production,

00:29:31 not potential.

00:29:32 Explain the philosophy to us.

00:29:34 As John said to open the show, you get the philosophy.

00:29:37 You miss these shots at the rim.

00:29:39 Warriors fly back and transition and make threes.

00:29:43 And that's what kind of piles up the game against you.

00:29:46 But in a game where you needed some quality good looks

00:29:48 at the rim, you're discouraging this team

00:29:51 from shooting at the rim.

00:29:52 And more often than not, they're passing out of those positions.

00:29:55 So this is the adaptability you want

00:29:57 to see from this team a little bit,

00:29:59 to not only a matchup where you're

00:30:01 capable of scoring inside in droves,

00:30:03 like the Celtics could be here against the Warriors,

00:30:05 but you're going up against a team that's

00:30:07 in some foul trouble with Curry and has some smaller guys

00:30:10 coming into the game in reserves because of injuries

00:30:13 and all the rest.

00:30:14 No Draymond here, of course, as well.

00:30:16 This is the problem.

00:30:18 If you're legitimately discouraged

00:30:21 to shoot at the rim because of the fear of it turning

00:30:27 into transition, going the other way

00:30:30 and eating a three in transition when you miss those looks

00:30:34 and tights, so I wouldn't say overpassing,

00:30:37 but the objective is almost to not take those shots unless

00:30:42 they're completely uncontested.

00:30:44 And so how do you get good at this stuff

00:30:47 if you're not trying to do it during the course of the game?

00:30:51 That's kind of--

00:30:53 And it also limits your free throw attempts.

00:30:55 Exactly.

00:30:57 So that's the point is you're not getting to the line.

00:31:00 You're not getting the other team in foul trouble.

00:31:02 You're not taking advantage of size managers.

00:31:05 There's risk with everything.

00:31:06 There's a risk that you'll miss 41 threes.

00:31:09 So nothing is foolproof.

00:31:12 Just play-- it's not--

00:31:14 I guess, again, it all comes down when it doesn't work,

00:31:18 all of this stuff comes out.

00:31:19 And it's frustrating because it's not a single formula.

00:31:23 It's just simply basketball.

00:31:25 And I do think they have a good formula.

00:31:27 It's working.

00:31:28 Move the ball, take the best shots, and yeah, it's working.

00:31:31 Right.

00:31:32 But it's not always--

00:31:33 it's not ironclad.

00:31:34 But anyway--

00:31:35 In the playoffs, you need to be able to adapt.

00:31:37 That's what it comes down to here.

00:31:39 Yeah.

00:31:41 Yeah.

00:31:42 No doubt about it.

00:31:43 We got a lot more to talk about.

00:31:44 And yeah, there's some good, but I

00:31:46 think everyone's just kind of a little bit fired up here

00:31:48 because you didn't want to see them lose this game

00:31:51 to this team in this manner.

00:31:54 And I think, as we said, kind of brings up a lot of old stuff.

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00:33:42 By the way, I looked it up.

00:33:44 Tatum last year against the Warriors.

00:33:46 And this obviously stems back to the 2022 finals,

00:33:49 where he really struggled against his team.

00:33:51 31% from the field in the two games, 27 from three,

00:33:55 eight assists, nine turnovers.

00:33:57 So they have him solved a little bit.

00:34:00 Yikes.

00:34:01 Damn.

00:34:03 They know his tendencies.

00:34:05 Yeah, I mean, look, we have to give some benefit of the doubt

00:34:09 on the rolled ankle.

00:34:11 He definitely looked tentative.

00:34:15 I tweeted like he hadn't even looked to drive or go

00:34:18 to the basket once.

00:34:19 But this looks like a finals line for him.

00:34:22 And then seconds later, he did.

00:34:24 So he did attack a couple of times.

00:34:26 He wasn't particularly effective.

00:34:27 But too much said of him.

00:34:31 The story of those finals, John, he had like eight assists

00:34:34 a game, remember, in that series?

00:34:36 And it was like, whoa, the passing's way up.

00:34:38 But they were making him a passer.

00:34:39 They're making him pass.

00:34:40 They didn't want him aggressive.

00:34:41 Yeah.

00:34:42 And they were willing to live with some

00:34:44 of these wide open threes.

00:34:45 They ignored Horford a lot in this game.

00:34:46 They ignored those Hauser misses at the end of his stretch

00:34:49 there were wide open.

00:34:50 They packed the paint.

00:34:51 They really crowd that lane.

00:34:53 And they discouraged you from taking shots

00:34:55 at the rim, which is a big reason why I'm sure they didn't.

00:34:58 Yeah, ignoring Hauser is pretty dumb.

00:35:01 But it worked for them tonight.

00:35:03 But again, I think that's a philosophy,

00:35:06 like if you want to look at the Celtics there and say,

00:35:09 I don't want Tatum and Brown running downhill on me

00:35:11 all night long.

00:35:12 I'll live and die.

00:35:13 Like, they can live and die by the three.

00:35:15 I'll live and die by some threes too.

00:35:17 And that's what they did before when the shooters were

00:35:21 Marcus Smart and whatever, different guys out there who

00:35:26 they wanted to swing the ball to them.

00:35:29 That could kill you against the team.

00:35:30 If the Celtics are knocking down their threes right now,

00:35:32 Golden State doesn't even play their starters

00:35:34 in the fourth quarter.

00:35:35 This would have been a 30 point game.

00:35:36 So yeah, I guess it worked tonight.

00:35:39 But Joe's right.

00:35:40 I think through three quarters, that lead

00:35:43 could have ballooned based on the open looks

00:35:46 that they were getting.

00:35:47 They were still playing fairly well.

00:35:48 And they were shooting horribly from three.

00:35:51 And then the fourth quarter, they just went into la-la

00:35:54 iso land.

00:35:55 I have no idea what they were doing.

00:35:57 Absolutely zero.

00:35:58 One pass and shot.

00:35:59 One pass and shot.

00:36:00 That's all they did all fourth quarter long.

00:36:02 Wow.

00:36:06 Am I wrong?

00:36:07 Exactly.

00:36:09 What was even worse was the 12 misses, 12 consecutive missed

00:36:15 field games in the third quarter.

00:36:17 That was awful.

00:36:18 I mean, a lot of that was just lazy shots, shots

00:36:20 that weren't ones that you have to actually work for and get

00:36:25 to the pain or at least pass three or four times

00:36:29 before you get it back.

00:36:30 Really hard, like the one that you really have to work for.

00:36:34 I feel like the Golden State Warriors certainly came out

00:36:36 of halftime with a lot more pressure

00:36:39 on the defensive end of the floor,

00:36:40 but the Celtics just really just caved in.

00:36:42 And I felt like they were getting

00:36:43 lazy with their possessions.

00:36:44 That's honestly when the comeback started, obviously,

00:36:47 for the Golden State Warriors.

00:36:47 But I feel like they also built a lot of confidence.

00:36:50 They came out of that third quarter feeling like,

00:36:51 not only can we erase this deficit,

00:36:53 but we can beat these guys.

00:36:54 And it was the other guys that was doing as well.

00:36:56 It wasn't just your Currys and your Klay Thompson.

00:36:59 You know what was shocking too, and this

00:37:01 might have just been an anomaly in this game,

00:37:03 but 18 offensive rebounds could have saved you here

00:37:06 and a lot of credit of that goes to Keita

00:37:08 and some of the others.

00:37:09 But you gave up 18.

00:37:11 I know.

00:37:12 How?

00:37:13 I want to point this out too, because I was going to say it

00:37:16 and Judah threw it out there.

00:37:17 I think Joe "Ices" Brown, with a couple of his sub-patterns,

00:37:25 he takes them out for so long at times.

00:37:29 And again, Brown was controlling this game on both ends

00:37:33 in terms of attacking, attacking Curry.

00:37:38 And he started the game and spent a lot of the night

00:37:41 matched up on Curry when he was doing poorly as well.

00:37:46 And I do think Joe, whatever rotation he's got on him,

00:37:52 I feel like I forget Brown's on the team a couple of times.

00:37:56 When he comes out, you just don't see him for like nine

00:37:58 minutes it feels like.

00:37:59 It's a really long time.

00:38:01 He sat two minutes to go in the second

00:38:03 after scoring a bunch of points in the stretch before.

00:38:06 I guess it wasn't that bad.

00:38:07 He came back about seven or eight, so it wasn't that bad.

00:38:10 I mean, that's like six, seven minutes.

00:38:12 It's a long stretch at a time when

00:38:16 it's a critical point in the game.

00:38:17 I get trying to rest your starters there,

00:38:19 but you're right.

00:38:20 Plays the whole third, fourth sets, it's about--

00:38:25 And that first to second stretch too,

00:38:28 I'm not sure what that was.

00:38:29 But anyway.

00:38:30 No longer stretches when he does set, you're right.

00:38:32 Yeah, anyway, just a minor thing.

00:38:35 But Bobby, go back.

00:38:36 Sorry, I kind of jumped in there because I

00:38:38 wanted to hit that comment.

00:38:40 No, he was rolling in this game, and he took advantage

00:38:43 of the mismatches.

00:38:44 And he-- I mean, this just looked like the finals, John.

00:38:47 He played with an urgency, with a downhill style of attack.

00:38:51 Even there were a couple of plays where he missed inside

00:38:53 and got it right back, got to the free throw line

00:38:55 eight times in this game.

00:38:57 Made some stellar passes again.

00:38:59 The decision making in this game was

00:39:01 so good for the stretches he was out there running the offense.

00:39:05 And on a night where Tatum's out of it and hurt

00:39:08 and not looking like himself against a tough defensive

00:39:12 attack, why not adjust a little bit

00:39:14 and rework the offense more into Brown's hands

00:39:17 and use Tatum as more of a spacer?

00:39:19 Maybe a guy who's in the post, drawing some attention

00:39:22 in there.

00:39:23 They only did that a handful of times in this game,

00:39:25 it felt like.

00:39:26 I just felt like everything-- and it goes back

00:39:28 to your comments, too, about his subpatterns.

00:39:31 Everything feels a little rigid in this game.

00:39:34 Like, we've been doing this all year.

00:39:35 It's been great.

00:39:37 It might be going a little haywire

00:39:38 at certain points in this game, but let's keep doing it.

00:39:41 And the Celtics just seemed to bash their head in

00:39:44 against a Warriors team that was well prepared to stop what

00:39:48 they were trying to do in this game.

00:39:49 And obviously, I thought the first quarter they looked

00:39:52 great, going up 40 to 30.

00:39:53 It looked like they were just going

00:39:55 to run away with this game there.

00:39:56 As Joe Sway mentioned, they go up 11 in the third

00:39:59 before that stretch of 11 straight misses,

00:40:02 I think it was, maybe 12.

00:40:04 And you don't adapt in those situations.

00:40:09 You just keep launching.

00:40:11 You don't take more of a downhill focus with them

00:40:14 in foul trouble and with them playing smaller lineups.

00:40:18 I just didn't think this game was well managed.

00:40:20 And some of it's on Joe, of course,

00:40:21 but a lot of it's on the players, too.

00:40:23 I mean, to go back to the last shot Tatum took,

00:40:28 if you're going to do that--

00:40:30 and I feel like this team knows it at this point,

00:40:32 at the time it's not coming there--

00:40:35 you as Tatum, with the ball in your hands,

00:40:37 there have to put yourself in a better position

00:40:39 or put the team in a better position

00:40:40 to get a good shot off there.

00:40:41 And so often, I know the numbers are good for him

00:40:44 in those clutch circumstances, last shot,

00:40:47 go ahead, game time, all those.

00:40:49 I think the numbers still look good for him in those spots.

00:40:52 But it feels like when he takes that kind of shot,

00:40:54 it never goes in.

00:40:56 You mean when there's no timeout, or just being--

00:40:59 Just at the end of the game, to tie it,

00:41:01 to go ahead, last shot.

00:41:02 I mean, whether or not it's the last shot,

00:41:05 it's not, because it's always that shot.

00:41:07 And again, we've gone over this.

00:41:09 It's the most perplexing thing about Jason Tatum's game.

00:41:13 And this is why I kind of joked about him needing therapy

00:41:17 or hypnosis or something to get off of it.

00:41:21 It's the thing he's the worst at

00:41:23 that he loves doing more than everything else.

00:41:25 He's not just the worst,

00:41:27 it's not the worst of his particular skill set.

00:41:29 He's the worst in the entire league at it.

00:41:32 Like, this is two years running.

00:41:35 He's down to 35 from three.

00:41:37 He is, but his pull-up threes, at the volume he shoots it,

00:41:42 he is the worst in the league at it.

00:41:45 Like, that's, and it's been that number

00:41:48 for a couple of years.

00:41:49 It's the worst thing that he does,

00:41:52 and he's worse than everybody, but he loves it.

00:41:56 Okay, he's attempted- - 29.9%.

00:41:58 - He's attempted the fourth or fifth most pull-up threes

00:42:02 in the NBA, and he has the lowest percentage,

00:42:04 I think, among the top 40 or 45 guys.

00:42:07 It's horrible.

00:42:09 Stop.

00:42:10 He does it, he does it.

00:42:12 At the end of the game,

00:42:13 sometimes it's the only shot you can get.

00:42:15 At the end of the clock,

00:42:16 sometimes it's the only shot you can get.

00:42:18 And so obviously those percentages are gonna go down

00:42:20 for a guy like Tatum,

00:42:21 who might get the ball in his hands at that time.

00:42:24 It goes without saying.

00:42:25 He does it during times of prosperity.

00:42:27 He does it early in the clock.

00:42:29 He does it when the offense is clicking

00:42:31 and the ball is moving, and he's like,

00:42:32 "Okay, time for me to do this."

00:42:34 It's a really strange thing.

00:42:36 - Doesn't it just feel like a waste?

00:42:38 - It's such a throwaway, and sure,

00:42:40 sometimes they go in and Twitter will be like,

00:42:42 "Oh, when Tatum hits those, we're unstoppable."

00:42:46 But you don't want him taking those.

00:42:49 Guys, don't enable him.

00:42:51 Don't encourage him with that stuff.

00:42:53 - And they've done some good stuff to counteract that.

00:42:55 - Don't do that.

00:42:56 Yeah, don't do that.

00:42:58 - When you're shooting this many threes as a team,

00:43:00 you're gonna miss a lot of shots,

00:43:02 even on your best night.

00:43:03 And I feel like the way they've mixed

00:43:04 in offensive rebounding has been effective

00:43:06 in counteracting that.

00:43:08 They do, I think, set up more catch and shoot threes

00:43:12 than they do a year ago, generally.

00:43:13 And in this game, I'll throw Joe some credit here

00:43:18 to his point, and on some nights, this is valid.

00:43:21 I feel like they missed a lot of open looks in this game.

00:43:25 But at some point, you have to adjust

00:43:30 when they're not going in.

00:43:31 You have to, especially on the pull-ups.

00:43:34 Those are things you can take out of your shot die

00:43:36 and work the ball around and get some better looks.

00:43:39 But passing all year, John,

00:43:40 hasn't been a big part of their attack.

00:43:42 And I'm still trying to figure out why.

00:43:44 They're a bottom five to 10 team in terms of total passes.

00:43:47 They're a bottom five to 10 team in terms of assists.

00:43:50 And I can't put my finger on why,

00:43:53 but it's been a constant the whole way through this year.

00:43:57 How many assists in this one?

00:43:59 28, like that's just kind of where they floated.

00:44:01 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 assists in a game.

00:44:05 And that's near the bottom of the league.

00:44:06 Their passing has generally been

00:44:07 near the bottom of the league.

00:44:09 'Cause what's their formula?

00:44:10 - They're always in the bottom third in pace also.

00:44:13 So, and again, it's not,

00:44:16 this is, this will sound like you're piling on,

00:44:19 but I mean, why do you think,

00:44:21 why is this the problem, Bobby?

00:44:22 - Tatum.

00:44:26 - It's because, a lot of it is Tatum

00:44:28 and sometimes it's Brown minus the last six, seven,

00:44:31 eight games when he's been playing,

00:44:33 doing everything right.

00:44:34 But it's the ball stopping,

00:44:36 that happens a lot of times.

00:44:38 And again, Brown has not been doing that.

00:44:41 - Especially late in games.

00:44:43 - Yeah.

00:44:44 - And they've been doing the clutch this year.

00:44:45 Porzingis has been a big part of that, obviously.

00:44:48 But.

00:44:49 - It's the ball stopping.

00:44:50 It's also Joe, just like I said,

00:44:51 not really calling plays in them.

00:44:53 Oftentimes just running very simple sets

00:44:55 where you just do the high pick and roll.

00:44:57 Ball exchanges hands, goes into one person's,

00:44:59 one person ends up with it and then they generate the shot.

00:45:03 They do that a lot instead of a multi-pass offense.

00:45:07 Why did we love that small ball game?

00:45:09 Oh my God, because every offensive set

00:45:12 involved like five, six, seven, eight passes.

00:45:14 They were just whipping the ball around

00:45:15 and that's why we came out of that game like,

00:45:17 that was beautiful.

00:45:19 Because you so seldom see these multi-pass possessions.

00:45:24 - You had a chance to do that tonight too.

00:45:26 And I know you like Kata's game tonight, Sherrod.

00:45:30 And I think there's a lot of reasons to like it.

00:45:33 But you do end up playing bigger and a little bit slower

00:45:36 in those circumstances.

00:45:38 And the bench is an area that kind of killed you tonight.

00:45:40 Those stretches with them out there,

00:45:42 that was a little disappointing

00:45:44 after they really generated some good momentum.

00:45:45 Of course, you don't have poor Zingas or Orphans

00:45:47 not with that group and Cornets out and blah, blah, blah.

00:45:50 But that group didn't play great in this game.

00:45:54 I felt like the Warriors bench really came out

00:45:56 and surprisingly won those stretches.

00:45:58 I mean, they were just great.

00:45:59 Paul's coming off that bench and just making play

00:46:01 after play, after play, 12 assists for him in this one.

00:46:04 Moody hit a pair of threes.

00:46:06 Sarich for three threes.

00:46:08 Trace Jackson Davis, just incredible that night.

00:46:10 10 points, 13 rebounds, three blocks for him.

00:46:14 - How's he become this bench rebounding God, by the way?

00:46:18 That wasn't his name.

00:46:19 - I think people forget who his daddy is.

00:46:22 I mean, Dale Davis was a pretty damn good rebounder.

00:46:26 - No, I was talking about Sarich, sorry.

00:46:28 - People forget that Sarich, when he was in Philadelphia,

00:46:33 he was a starter.

00:46:35 - He was actually, he was a pretty good player.

00:46:37 - He was really good in Phoenix too, before he tore his knee.

00:46:39 - Right, right.

00:46:39 - He looks like, his face looks like it melted though.

00:46:42 He's always got that weird look like.

00:46:47 - I know what you mean.

00:46:49 I was like, what happened?

00:46:52 You don't look like that in Philly.

00:46:53 What's going on?

00:46:54 - Mustache.

00:46:55 John's not holding back.

00:46:56 It's 1.30 AM, he's like, "I'm just going home."

00:46:59 - I think he just, I think he lost a lot of weight

00:47:01 or something, I don't know what it is.

00:47:02 But yeah, I noticed that.

00:47:04 - I knew he said, "That's Sarich?"

00:47:06 I was like, what?

00:47:08 It's decently familiar, but.

00:47:10 - Gary Washburn probably was like,

00:47:15 "Look, I can't ask Joe about the threes

00:47:17 'cause everyone's expecting me to ask about the threes."

00:47:19 So he asks Jalen about the threes.

00:47:22 And Jalen Brown says, "We could have gotten layups

00:47:26 and settled for threes.

00:47:27 We had open looks, but sometimes when you have numbers,

00:47:29 you penetrate and go to the basket."

00:47:31 - Jalen's like way too many threes, man.

00:47:34 - Yeah, so now, is that a referendum on Joe?

00:47:39 Remember last year when we were talking about like--

00:47:41 - After the Knicks game, yeah.

00:47:43 - Yeah, it's like, well, Joe's saying this

00:47:45 and they're saying this, you know?

00:47:48 And it's kind of like, do we have to shoot?

00:47:51 It's like, do I have to shoot that many threes, Joe?

00:47:56 You know, like, you know, I get it, but.

00:48:01 - Some good commentary from Brown here.

00:48:03 - And again, there's another one.

00:48:04 We talked about this earlier.

00:48:05 He's talking about they did a good job,

00:48:08 Warriors did a good job hiding Steph Curry on defense

00:48:11 after he got that fifth foul.

00:48:13 And the Celtics lost their rhythm trying to target him.

00:48:16 I feel like we just played, instead of looking around,

00:48:19 we would have been able to attack.

00:48:20 And that's what we talked about earlier.

00:48:21 Again, I think people are missing this one a little bit,

00:48:25 is that it's not that they didn't attack him,

00:48:27 it's that they actually tried a little bit hard.

00:48:29 And when they did find that switch, and Brown is right,

00:48:32 you couldn't get it right away.

00:48:34 And when you got it, boom, double came over

00:48:38 and then they were screwed.

00:48:40 And then they couldn't get a good shot on that possession.

00:48:42 - Yeah, and not that he was in foul trouble necessarily

00:48:45 in any of those games, but they went out of their way

00:48:46 to try to expose him.

00:48:47 And that's what they do as a team, right?

00:48:49 That's their game plan.

00:48:50 Find the weakest guy on the court and go at him,

00:48:52 go at him, go at him.

00:48:53 But there are some teams, and this is, I think,

00:48:55 a big problem when they play the Heat too.

00:48:57 The Heat zone it up, so you can't do that.

00:49:00 And when they lose that focus offensively,

00:49:04 when they're not able to do that,

00:49:05 it can make them look a little frenetic.

00:49:07 And that's what I thought they looked like in this game.

00:49:09 And Sherrod, the toughest part,

00:49:10 you almost hope you don't end up in that position.

00:49:13 'Cause once he gets to five, you're like,

00:49:14 "All right, we have to take him out of the game now."

00:49:16 But the refs aren't gonna give you that sixth easily.

00:49:20 - No, I mean, he's gonna have to do something

00:49:22 that's blatantly obvious.

00:49:24 I mean, he's gonna have to tackle Jalen Brown

00:49:26 or toss Tatum three rows back,

00:49:30 and then maybe they'll give him the sixth, maybe.

00:49:32 The more we talk about this game

00:49:40 and the more I think about it,

00:49:42 the lesson learned in this is that

00:49:48 you have to make the most of every opportunity

00:49:53 when you're on the road.

00:49:54 You're only gonna get so many opportunities

00:49:56 to screw things up to where you're going to screw yourself

00:49:59 and the chances of winning.

00:50:01 They did not, there's so many little minuscule things

00:50:04 that they could have done a little bit better

00:50:06 that would have probably got them to win.

00:50:08 And we talked about Joe earlier.

00:50:13 I can't shake that feeling that this was a game

00:50:18 that they needed Joe Mazzullo to be really good.

00:50:24 - Slice it up, which things specifically on Joe for you?

00:50:29 - Specifically managing Jason Tatum's play.

00:50:34 Jason was just kind of out there.

00:50:36 It's just not, it was almost like he needed someone

00:50:40 to just say, "Jason, you're 6'9",

00:50:42 you're getting switched out on guys

00:50:43 who are 6'5" and shorter,

00:50:45 take your ass on the block and go to work.

00:50:47 And if they double team or they tilt or they blitz,

00:50:50 swing it to the open man, basic basketball stuff.

00:50:53 This is the one game, Jason,

00:50:54 where we don't really need you to be killing them

00:50:57 with your shooting touch away from the basket.

00:50:59 We actually need you to do some of the dirty work

00:51:01 because that's going to open things up for other guys.

00:51:04 I would love to see more of that.

00:51:06 And that's one of those things as a coach,

00:51:08 you tell your guy, I need you to get your ass on the block.

00:51:11 And he has one of two choices.

00:51:13 He can either do it or not.

00:51:14 And if he doesn't do it, then you got to say,

00:51:16 well, okay, let me find someone who else can do it.

00:51:19 Or let me reiterate that to him

00:51:20 because he's the best player on the team.

00:51:22 And I'm telling him something that's actually good for him

00:51:24 and good for the team.

00:51:26 I just didn't think Joe was engaged

00:51:30 in the little nuance type things.

00:51:34 And again, pointing out the fact that they missed 41 threes

00:51:37 and all the things that they did wrong.

00:51:40 - That's obvious though, isn't it?

00:51:41 Like what can you guys do better?

00:51:43 - Yeah, Bobby, that's kind of my point.

00:51:45 - You're past the point and you get why he did that last year

00:51:48 'cause the whole season felt like a referendum on him

00:51:51 and he had to defend himself and kind of explain.

00:51:54 And he's done a much better job this year.

00:51:56 What they're trying to do, why they're trying to do it.

00:51:59 They're not just launching up a hundred threes

00:52:00 and rolling the ball out there.

00:52:02 They have something that they're trying to do here.

00:52:04 But what made that game plan go haywire in this one?

00:52:08 Why did it swing so bad against you?

00:52:10 It didn't just happen.

00:52:12 Like they didn't get unlucky in this game.

00:52:14 I felt like.

00:52:15 The Warriors did a lot of good stuff that disrupted them,

00:52:18 especially Tatum.

00:52:19 So what should they have done better in this spot?

00:52:22 And I feel like, again,

00:52:26 we don't know what they're talking about inside the team,

00:52:29 but I feel like after losses like this,

00:52:31 they shrug and go, we missed shots and we did the right

00:52:34 thing and let's play again tomorrow.

00:52:36 And they did that in the playoffs last year

00:52:38 and they never learned from their worst moments.

00:52:40 - That's the thing is, over a long enough timeline,

00:52:44 that's correct thinking.

00:52:46 But when it comes to like playoffs and series

00:52:50 and adjustments, that doesn't work.

00:52:52 You have to kind of just, you got to play it as it lies.

00:52:57 You know, like things are going to change.

00:52:59 And the thing that you're doing might not be the thing

00:53:01 that you need to do in order to win and to be successful.

00:53:04 And if the other team is making you do something

00:53:07 that you don't want to do or making you play left-handed,

00:53:09 so to speak, like you've got to be able to adjust.

00:53:12 You can't just say like, nope, nope, this plan works.

00:53:15 It works over time, but sometimes it doesn't work

00:53:18 against certain teams in certain moments or series,

00:53:22 you know, when things change.

00:53:23 And I think that that's the fear with Joe is, you know,

00:53:26 do you just have that one book, you know,

00:53:28 like the one, the one play sheet, you know,

00:53:31 it's like, or, you know, or do we got something else

00:53:34 we can run here, you know, because everyone, if, you know,

00:53:37 you also become a little bit predictable that way.

00:53:40 The thing is you're relying on, you know, the talent

00:53:43 and intelligence of your basketball players to just,

00:53:48 he keeps stressing, make the right reads,

00:53:50 do the right things, get the right shots.

00:53:53 You know, it's great, but it can't always be like,

00:53:57 you know, this was a game where it probably felt like,

00:54:01 let's switch it up a little bit, guys.

00:54:02 I don't like what we're, I don't like what's,

00:54:03 I don't like what's going on here.

00:54:05 I don't, you know, I want us to be,

00:54:07 I want us to be a little bit more aggressive.

00:54:08 I want us to take it in a little bit, take,

00:54:10 I know normally we say do this, but in this case, do that.

00:54:13 I think you can, you know, you can do that.

00:54:15 And you could, you know, have hunted out, you know,

00:54:17 when Golden State wasn't really big

00:54:19 and you had those matchups and you could attack the paint

00:54:22 and you didn't have anybody to challenge there,

00:54:23 maybe be a little bit more aggressive getting downhill.

00:54:25 And they didn't get downhill enough at all, you know.

00:54:29 - You knew, I don't know if you guys listened

00:54:31 to Zach Lowe this week.

00:54:33 They were talking a lot about the Celtics

00:54:35 and he's been concerned about the lack of shots at the rim.

00:54:39 - Yeah.

00:54:39 - And he brought up again this week and said,

00:54:42 "Well, you know, someone with the Celtics told me,

00:54:44 look at our shot numbers when Porzingis is out there.

00:54:47 We're much higher, we get a lot more shots inside,

00:54:50 you know, blah, blah, blah."

00:54:51 You knew you weren't going to have Porzingis tonight.

00:54:53 So how can you draw up more shots inside

00:54:55 without him out there?

00:54:57 You know, could you have used Horford

00:54:58 in those situations a little bit more often?

00:55:00 You know, whatever it might be.

00:55:03 And then you kind of lucked into some really good minutes

00:55:05 that had closed the fourth, first with Tatum off the floor.

00:55:08 I'll go back again to Brissette, the stay ready crew.

00:55:12 He was ready, five minutes, three, three,

00:55:15 flying around everywhere.

00:55:17 And then he's gone.

00:55:18 - Yeah, I mean, that's too soon.

00:55:20 - That first frigging baseline jam.

00:55:22 - He came out flying.

00:55:23 - Where he not only attacked, but he switched to the left

00:55:28 and just, oh my God, hammered it.

00:55:32 - He was ready.

00:55:32 - Great.

00:55:34 - He thought it was the final for a little bit, man.

00:55:35 He was ready.

00:55:37 - Joe was like, "Get ready again."

00:55:38 (Zach laughing)

00:55:41 - Never played again.

00:55:42 That was tough.

00:55:43 - Yeah, that was.

00:55:45 - I don't think he went to the trip.

00:55:46 - I think he went to Svi at one point.

00:55:48 That was kind of weird.

00:55:49 - Yeah, I blinked a couple of times and he was gone.

00:55:53 That was the last time.

00:55:54 - I was like, "What is he doing out there?"

00:55:55 - Yeah, he was out there for just four minutes of cardio.

00:55:58 You know, that's it.

00:55:59 Like, they don't even look at him.

00:56:01 They literally don't.

00:56:02 - I saw him chilling in the corner of the free spot.

00:56:04 I was like, "Is that Svi?"

00:56:06 I had no idea he checked in.

00:56:10 - Yeah.

00:56:10 - Yeah, he didn't probably know he checked in.

00:56:13 (Zach laughing)

00:56:14 He was like, "You want me to do what?

00:56:16 Play? Oh, okay, let's go."

00:56:18 - Wanna throw-

00:56:19 - 40 minutes, all right, shit.

00:56:20 - I know you wanted to do it, Sherrod.

00:56:22 Wanna throw Kata some credit before we get out of here?

00:56:25 - Kata was awesome.

00:56:26 I mean, this is like-

00:56:28 When Luke is healthy enough to play,

00:56:31 I'm not sure Luke is going to be playing much.

00:56:34 - Okay.

00:56:35 - At a minimum, Kata gives you-

00:56:37 - That's not what Joe said.

00:56:40 - All right, Bobby, damn.

00:56:41 You're asking Joe Luke questions every game?

00:56:45 Oh boy, oh boy, I'll never forget.

00:56:47 You led off a press conference with a Luke question.

00:56:50 That was kind of wild.

00:56:51 - I'll put it this way.

00:56:52 Kata, not only did he get a double-double himself

00:56:55 in 20 minutes, but he made so many freaking plays

00:56:58 that got guys great shots

00:57:00 that they otherwise wouldn't get.

00:57:01 And he ran the floor.

00:57:02 And he actually showed the ability to-

00:57:04 Bobby, this is the thing that he did

00:57:05 that I was most impressed with.

00:57:07 He actually showed the ability to make a move on the block

00:57:11 and finish over someone who was similar in size.

00:57:15 - He drove.

00:57:16 - He drove.

00:57:18 - Yeah, man, kid's got some footwork.

00:57:19 He's got some moves on him.

00:57:21 He's got-

00:57:21 They're a little raw, but he's working on them.

00:57:24 - I mean, other than when Luke is going to get breakfast

00:57:26 and get mixed for lemon squares, where does he drive?

00:57:30 Does he go to the grocery store?

00:57:31 - The good thing is when he misses inside,

00:57:34 and he has had a few bunnies that he's missed here and there,

00:57:36 he grabs them back.

00:57:38 There was a nice finish early on where he was on the move.

00:57:42 Missed it, was in a crowd, and grabbed it back.

00:57:44 - He put it in over the back of his head.

00:57:45 - Yeah.

00:57:46 - He stays with it.

00:57:47 - He's got an uncanny ability to grab the ball

00:57:50 when it's loose in there.

00:57:51 And sometimes it is his own misses.

00:57:52 I'm sure like four of these rebounds here

00:57:54 were his own misses.

00:57:54 - Those tap backs sometimes drive me crazy.

00:57:57 And Luke does that a lot, man.

00:57:59 It's just like, oh, if I just do this,

00:58:02 one of my teammates will grab it behind me.

00:58:03 Like, that's not always going to happen.

00:58:05 You know?

00:58:05 Luke does get a little comfortable with that.

00:58:08 But yeah, he's closing the gap here.

00:58:09 The defense isn't great, but he manages.

00:58:12 Rebounding can be part of that.

00:58:14 - He's almost always the tallest dude on the court, man.

00:58:20 Like, grab that shit.

00:58:22 - How far ahead of anyone do you think Luke Cornett is

00:58:25 that there's a gap to be closed?

00:58:26 - I'm going to hold it against you guys.

00:58:28 Remember what Joe said.

00:58:29 - Yeah, we're going to be that, right?

00:58:32 - Our rotation's Pritchard, Hauser, Cornett,

00:58:34 and Alford.

00:58:35 - All I can think of is that Bobby is like

00:58:40 that Arthur closed fist meme

00:58:44 every time Nemus Keita does something well.

00:58:46 - I love Keita.

00:58:47 - Bobby's just sitting there.

00:58:48 - No, no, no, Bobby.

00:58:49 (laughing)

00:58:52 Last game, you were like,

00:58:54 "Why is Joe doing double big?"

00:58:56 For a little bit, for a little while,

00:58:57 you were like, "Why is he doing double big?"

00:58:59 I was like, "It's 'cause Keita needs his reps, all right?"

00:59:02 This West Coast road trip between obviously

00:59:05 out and out playing on second line and back to back,

00:59:07 Chris Dowd's Port Zingers' status is somewhat

00:59:09 up in the air, right?

00:59:10 And Luke Cornett all of a sudden is going to be out

00:59:13 for a week.

00:59:14 Keita's got to be ready.

00:59:14 So I'm glad Missoula threw him in there.

00:59:16 - He stayed ready.

00:59:17 - Against the Orlando Magic.

00:59:18 And he got a little bit of a,

00:59:20 he got a glimpse of what's to come

00:59:22 because he was ready for sure

00:59:24 when it came to this Golden State Warriors team.

00:59:26 I mean, what was it, six points?

00:59:27 And when I felt like in two minutes,

00:59:29 all off of hustle plays and putbacks

00:59:32 and being in the right spot,

00:59:34 he had to earn those points

00:59:35 and it carried over to the second half.

00:59:38 - No, he faced an uphill battle being hurt

00:59:40 to start the first month or so of the season

00:59:42 and being on a two-way deal.

00:59:43 I mean, he could have ended up up in Maine.

00:59:45 And the fact that he's been with the team the whole year

00:59:47 shows how much they like him.

00:59:49 This is another guy, John, second draft.

00:59:51 Kings pick him in the second round.

00:59:53 They develop him a little bit.

00:59:54 JaVale McGee comes along and they're like,

00:59:56 "All right, we got to let him go."

00:59:58 And now they're picking up the baton

01:00:00 and carrying this development forward.

01:00:03 And you need guys like this.

01:00:04 The fact that they've done it a little bit

01:00:06 with Jordan Walsh here to start this year

01:00:08 and JD Davidson's having a great year down in Maine

01:00:10 and Kata comes along on a two-way deal

01:00:13 and has given you a 10 and 10 night,

01:00:15 that alone is a massive victory.

01:00:17 So this is great.

01:00:19 I love the change of pace he gives to the position here.

01:00:23 I don't see him leaping and surmounting over Cornette

01:00:27 who I think is really growing to play well

01:00:29 within the system here, but Luke's down for two weeks.

01:00:33 If you play like this for two weeks,

01:00:35 maybe the rotation does look a little different.

01:00:38 So this is how this kind of stuff happens here.

01:00:40 And this is a nice start for him.

01:00:42 I thought he played great in the Orlando mini series too.

01:00:44 And he, you know, I was sending earlier, John,

01:00:46 he got a little bit of national love for his screening,

01:00:48 some really good screening in those games on the tape.

01:00:52 So, great for him.

01:00:54 - I hate this conversation

01:00:55 'cause I can't think of anything Luke does

01:00:58 that I prefer over Kata,

01:01:00 because really, all I've said is I want my bigs to be big.

01:01:05 I want them to do big guy stuff.

01:01:08 And Kata does big guy stuff.

01:01:10 He challenges not-

01:01:11 - I just think Cornette's impact's a little more subtle.

01:01:14 - But-

01:01:15 - Subtle, I like that.

01:01:17 (laughing)

01:01:19 - I want my guy to go in there and grab boards.

01:01:21 It's game changing.

01:01:22 It actually changes the game

01:01:24 because you can go through cold stretches

01:01:26 when you have guys grabbing offensive rebounds in there.

01:01:28 And because the Celtics don't get enough shots at the rim-

01:01:31 - He definitely rebounds better.

01:01:32 - Having a guy who grabs them

01:01:34 and can put them back like that is a big deal.

01:01:36 So like, I like it

01:01:37 because it gives you something you're lacking.

01:01:39 And if you're gonna put a big in there

01:01:41 because you wanna have some size,

01:01:43 I want them to do big guy stuff and-

01:01:44 - You know what I'll say too?

01:01:46 - More of it than Cornette, that's all.

01:01:48 - He defends well in space for how big he is.

01:01:52 There was a play where he was out on Chris Paul

01:01:55 and he was hanging in there

01:01:57 for two straight isolations on him.

01:01:59 And then they threw it up top

01:02:00 and there was an offensive foul, forced a turnover.

01:02:03 - Yeah, it was like, "I can defend these on these,

01:02:05 "I got this."

01:02:06 - Let me ask you this.

01:02:08 This is an oldie but goodie, right?

01:02:11 Regarding Jalen Brown.

01:02:13 How many games did you have where Jalen Brown

01:02:15 looked like the best player on the court

01:02:17 for stretches of it, if not the entire game?

01:02:19 And then he would go with one shot in the fourth quarter,

01:02:23 two shots in the fourth, something like that,

01:02:25 not getting the ball late in games.

01:02:28 And again, it's not all about like,

01:02:30 "Oh, Tatum's greedy and he wants the ball

01:02:32 "and this and that."

01:02:33 But it's just- - Two shots in the fourth.

01:02:35 - Two shots in the fourth. - Three in overtime.

01:02:37 - Yeah, why is this the case so often?

01:02:40 And again, one of the reasons it's only two shots

01:02:42 in the fourth is because he rested for that longer spell

01:02:45 and came in a little bit later there as well.

01:02:49 - I think a big part of it is that

01:02:50 they're not in actions together.

01:02:51 It's either Brown's- - It's one or the other.

01:02:53 - In action or it's Tatum.

01:02:55 So the other guy's usually gonna be spacing

01:02:56 in that circumstance.

01:02:57 And fortunately, as we've talked about

01:02:59 for much of this year, Porzingis can be a bridge

01:03:01 between those two.

01:03:03 But I think we're seeing more and more of this offense,

01:03:05 especially in crunch time scenarios.

01:03:08 If they have Porzingis, it's gonna be great.

01:03:10 And if they don't, all the old challenges

01:03:13 are gonna emerge again, which is a tough place to be in

01:03:15 with a player who's so injury prone.

01:03:17 And now I don't know, how long will they have him

01:03:19 without back-to-backs?

01:03:20 There's a back-to-back next week.

01:03:21 I think there's one the week after that.

01:03:23 So there's gonna be stretches here

01:03:24 where they don't have Porzingis,

01:03:26 which was a given when you acquired him.

01:03:28 So it's what we've talked about for a long time, John.

01:03:31 They don't always play well off each other.

01:03:34 And I thought within the flow of those Orlando games,

01:03:37 they did, they found each other for some big shots,

01:03:39 but not tonight.

01:03:41 Not much interaction between those two at all.

01:03:42 I can't even remember a pass between them.

01:03:45 - Who knows?

01:03:46 - Yeah, I don't know.

01:03:47 - I'm sure they did, but.

01:03:50 - And again, it might come out,

01:03:52 and Tatum might've gutted it out.

01:03:55 I question whether or not Tatum,

01:03:57 if Tatum couldn't be his full self,

01:03:59 I question what good he was doing out there

01:04:02 simply for that reason, because-

01:04:03 - You think that's what it was?

01:04:05 - I'm gonna say this.

01:04:07 If the ankle was part of it

01:04:11 and slowed him down and caused him

01:04:14 to play a more passive game,

01:04:16 I didn't think he was moving laterally particularly well.

01:04:19 Tatum right now, we just got a quote,

01:04:23 "Not to make any excuses."

01:04:25 Every time you say that, the next thing is,

01:04:27 but I'm gonna make an excuse.

01:04:28 And in this case, yes, that's what it is.

01:04:31 Not to make any excuses, but when you spray-

01:04:33 - Here's my excuse.

01:04:35 - It swells up just stiff,

01:04:36 it makes it a little tougher to move.

01:04:37 I still was out there,

01:04:38 so I feel like if you go there, you can play.

01:04:41 You can't make any excuses, but I just made an excuse.

01:04:45 - An excuse sandwich. - I get it.

01:04:47 - I've taught, look, I wish these guys,

01:04:49 I wish I could, these guys would just hire.

01:04:52 If I ever stopped doing this,

01:04:56 it's going to be to consult people-

01:04:58 - PR council?

01:05:00 - On how to shape the narrative.

01:05:03 I have said it to the players over and over again.

01:05:06 Don't you say it.

01:05:08 - John's gonna go from setting the narrative against Brown

01:05:12 to setting it for him.

01:05:13 - I can help you.

01:05:14 I know how to, I can help you.

01:05:17 Don't say it.

01:05:19 The media guys are gonna say it,

01:05:21 and the fans will say it for you.

01:05:23 Don't say it, okay?

01:05:25 When you say it, the thing that you want-

01:05:28 - No, there's no doubt it'll play an impact.

01:05:30 - To get out there. - How dangerous you are.

01:05:32 - Then it becomes an excuse, and people use it against you.

01:05:36 Thank you, shakalaka.

01:05:39 - Because then you get the group of people being like,

01:05:42 well, at least he's not using it as an excuse.

01:05:43 - I think that shot's always up there.

01:05:45 I think that's part of it, is he's just shooting moon balls.

01:05:48 That's just what he does.

01:05:49 - He's shooting the lights out.

01:05:51 I don't think this was just a bad night.

01:05:53 - I'm not worried about it, just a bad one.

01:05:55 - Yeah, I mean, he's adjusted his shot.

01:05:59 And to me, that's the reason why he's been such a,

01:06:01 he's been elite, or damn near elite three-point shooter.

01:06:06 - Yeah, I mean, let's rip through some of the stuff

01:06:09 that you liked here.

01:06:11 Obviously the first quarter and the way

01:06:13 that they were moving the ball,

01:06:14 Derek White being an assassin from three

01:06:18 and making all those shots.

01:06:20 Brown again, the start he had to this game

01:06:24 was kind of the way he'd been playing,

01:06:26 making a bunch of great decisions,

01:06:29 playing really good defense on Curry,

01:06:31 attacking, doing all of those things.

01:06:34 Obviously your K to minutes as well,

01:06:38 went reasonably, went as well as you could have hoped.

01:06:43 You got great contribution from Brissette,

01:06:48 but never saw him again.

01:06:49 - I thought Drew was pretty good in this one too.

01:06:52 - Drew was fine.

01:06:53 I thought he took some questionable shots as well.

01:06:55 I don't mean to lump bad in with the good section of this.

01:06:59 I thought Horford was pretty fricking bad most of the game,

01:07:01 not only with the shooting,

01:07:03 but also he was just getting attacked.

01:07:05 But he piled up some boards, he made some passes.

01:07:09 It wasn't all bad, but I thought defensively

01:07:11 he was getting attacked,

01:07:12 not just on the switches by Curry late.

01:07:14 I didn't think he was able to do anything

01:07:16 to defend the paint at all.

01:07:18 And he was getting killed on the boards

01:07:20 and he was there watching those guys go up and over

01:07:24 and get those putbacks and those second chance points.

01:07:26 So again, it's just, he's not that big.

01:07:29 He's not that guy.

01:07:31 He's a different guy.

01:07:32 He helps you in different ways.

01:07:35 But tonight wasn't a great one.

01:07:36 - And Payne went three for six from three.

01:07:37 And we mentioned, or three for five.

01:07:40 If they challenge that one successfully,

01:07:43 four or six and you probably win this game.

01:07:46 - Yeah.

01:07:47 Yeah, perhaps.

01:07:50 Perhaps.

01:07:52 - That's my dog.

01:07:53 That's my dog.

01:07:54 - I also think Derek White taking 17 three-pointers

01:07:58 is freaking insane.

01:07:59 - I couldn't believe that.

01:08:01 When I saw the box score, I was like, shit.

01:08:02 - Isn't that emblematic of how the Warriors played them?

01:08:05 Here you go, Derek, take 18.

01:08:06 - He took 18, John.

01:08:08 - Look again, when Draymond Green delivered

01:08:10 those finals comments after game one,

01:08:13 he was talking specifically about Derek White.

01:08:16 - I bet he was upstairs tonight, radioing in, hey.

01:08:19 - He can still practice with them.

01:08:22 He's been with the guy.

01:08:23 He just can't.

01:08:26 - He's like, yeah, those haven't been going in.

01:08:28 The thing is with White, they have been going in.

01:08:29 He's shooting 40 plus percent on the season.

01:08:31 So it's not the same guy that they wanted to shoot

01:08:35 in the finals two years ago.

01:08:37 He has been hitting--

01:08:38 - Three blocks in the first quarter, too.

01:08:39 - But that's an insane, oh, 18?

01:08:42 I thought it was 17.

01:08:43 Anyway, crazy amount of threes.

01:08:44 Anyway, any closing thoughts, guys, before we move on?

01:08:47 We got another one coming right up, so.

01:08:50 - Look out, those Kings are good, and they're fast.

01:08:52 They are decisive offensively.

01:08:55 You're gonna have a tough time against them, I think,

01:08:56 if Porzingis isn't able to move well out there

01:09:00 defensively against them.

01:09:01 And then, of course, it's gonna be another K tonight

01:09:03 against his old team with Horford out.

01:09:04 So, look out.

01:09:05 - Tatum's not gonna play either.

01:09:07 - Yeah, I mean, with this--

01:09:09 - Highly unlikely.

01:09:10 - I'd be surprised if he played.

01:09:11 So with that being said, you gotta defend, defend, defend

01:09:14 this Sacramento Kings team.

01:09:15 And I know no Tatum here.

01:09:17 I think it's a big spot for Jalen Brown.

01:09:20 Possibly another big night for Derek White,

01:09:22 Drew Holliday, especially.

01:09:23 I think Drew is, I mean, he's not really showing

01:09:25 in terms of how many points he's scoring,

01:09:26 but I think he's starting to heat up a little bit

01:09:28 in terms of finding his offense and just finding his spot.

01:09:31 So I think that carries over as well.

01:09:33 And it should be enough.

01:09:34 I mean, I don't think the Celtics,

01:09:36 I don't think it's like impossible for them to win,

01:09:38 but it's gonna be tough.

01:09:39 The Sacramento Kings team, they can score in a hurry.

01:09:42 You know, they can really run you off the floor.

01:09:44 However, they don't defend at a really high level.

01:09:47 So you can get a lot of points over them,

01:09:49 but obviously without Tatum, that could be tough.

01:09:52 However, the Celtics' defense, I mean,

01:09:54 we've seen it in the past.

01:09:55 We've seen it over the past week or so, really,

01:09:57 or at least throughout that five game homestand,

01:10:00 limiting teams to, you know, closer to 100 points,

01:10:03 you know, as opposed to giving up what they did today,

01:10:06 you know, over 120, or even in overtime,

01:10:08 you can't do that against the Kings.

01:10:10 That'll be an automatic loss

01:10:12 if you don't limit their scoring.

01:10:14 - Shaq tonight, Shaq tonight said he's wondering

01:10:17 if they should put Curry as the best player of all time.

01:10:20 And Kenny asked him, "Over you?"

01:10:21 And Shaq said, "Yeah."

01:10:23 - Yikes.

01:10:24 (laughing)

01:10:26 - However, however.

01:10:28 - I gotta watch that.

01:10:29 (laughing)

01:10:31 - He really is something, huh?

01:10:33 I mean, with everything falling apart around him there,

01:10:36 Draymond losing his mind,

01:10:38 he is just MVP when he's out there.

01:10:41 And he's gotten hurt here and there too

01:10:43 into some of his later years.

01:10:44 But as long as he's there,

01:10:47 and I know, John, you had them in the finals this year,

01:10:49 right?

01:10:49 - I did, but I also had them trading for Rob

01:10:51 at the deadline.

01:10:52 - Ooh.

01:10:54 - I'm curious, so Memphis won tonight.

01:10:59 Josh-

01:11:00 - I was out with a buzzer beater.

01:11:00 - Smart's back soon.

01:11:01 So I'm interested to see,

01:11:02 are they able to get back in the mix

01:11:04 or could Smart kind of be a trade guy?

01:11:06 It looks like if they play like tonight,

01:11:10 they could get back in the mix.

01:11:11 - Morant was ridiculous for first game back.

01:11:15 27 points in the second half, took over.

01:11:18 Unbelievable.

01:11:19 - It's great to see them beat the Grizzlies again,

01:11:22 because man, that team they put out there the night

01:11:24 they lost to Celtics was really sad.

01:11:26 - Yeah, can't wait to see Morant's Instagram tomorrow

01:11:30 morning when I wake up.

01:11:31 - No, he's all good.

01:11:36 - He's learned his lesson.

01:11:38 - Wait, they're in the garage in February, right Josue?

01:11:41 - February, I'm at that.

01:11:45 - We have a Josue freeze frame right now.

01:11:48 - Is he?

01:11:48 Oh, I love this.

01:11:49 Oh boy.

01:11:54 - This is like a class photo.

01:11:56 - That's great.

01:11:58 I took a picture.

01:11:59 - Josue, come on.

01:12:03 - Wow.

01:12:07 - He's still there.

01:12:09 - I was like, Josue pretty damn happy.

01:12:13 - We just have, we have a little Josue cutout

01:12:15 that we put in here to make it feel like

01:12:17 we had a full show.

01:12:19 I want to remember Josue like this always, okay?

01:12:22 If I never see Josue again,

01:12:24 this is how I want to remember him.

01:12:25 - Hey, it was a good moment to go out on.

01:12:28 - He delivered his final take.

01:12:30 He's got his big smile and he's gone.

01:12:33 Good night.

01:12:33 - Oh gosh.

01:12:34 (laughing)

01:12:36 - It's time to go.

01:12:38 - It is time to go.

01:12:39 We will wrap it up.

01:12:39 It's a late one.

01:12:40 And some of us will be back tomorrow.

01:12:44 It's a lot to expect from everyone.

01:12:47 So I do appreciate my partners in crime here

01:12:50 on the Garden Report for staying up late.

01:12:52 And I know all of you guys have to wake up

01:12:56 and get your little kids off to school tomorrow.

01:13:00 Nope, that's just me.

01:13:01 - That's just you.

01:13:03 (laughing)

01:13:05 - Sherrod already did that years ago.

01:13:07 - Sherrod got him out the damn house.

01:13:12 - Yeah.

01:13:13 - Almost, almost, almost.

01:13:17 - Oh goodness, awesome.

01:13:20 - Yeah, so we're gonna wrap it,

01:13:22 but we thank you guys for hanging out.

01:13:24 Two other notes tonight.

01:13:27 I'm fairly certain I saw a meteor crash to earth today.

01:13:30 It was like nothing I've ever seen.

01:13:34 It was like a big ball of fire.

01:13:36 - John, someone was asking if you put some extra

01:13:38 in the pies after you said that.

01:13:40 - I'm not kidding.

01:13:40 It was, I was like, oh my God.

01:13:44 And then a bunch of other people were like, I saw it too.

01:13:47 So that happened, that kind of shook me earlier.

01:13:50 And before I went on the show tonight,

01:13:51 I burnt some cookies and I've been pissed off

01:13:54 about it all night.

01:13:55 So, you know, maybe I overreacted a little

01:13:57 to Celtic's loss.

01:13:58 I didn't, you know, I was really upset about the cookies.

01:14:01 - Yeah, I can see that.

01:14:04 - That was bad.

01:14:06 All right, Joe Swaig.

01:14:07 - Laptop just died, so I plugged in.

01:14:09 Just to say bye.

01:14:10 - Yeah?

01:14:11 - Yeah.

01:14:12 - Oh, you did?

01:14:13 - Yeah, it was plugged out for a second.

01:14:15 - Should I show you how you left us?

01:14:18 - Or more for a second?

01:14:20 Oh no.

01:14:21 (laughing)

01:14:23 - I'm sure you guys loved it.

01:14:24 I'm sure you guys loved it more than I did.

01:14:26 (laughing)

01:14:28 - How about guys like that?

01:14:30 (laughing)

01:14:32 - I don't even see it.

01:14:33 - What?

01:14:35 - You don't see it?

01:14:36 - No, we don't see it, no.

01:14:37 - Oh, you're not seeing it?

01:14:38 - Show it again.

01:14:39 No.

01:14:40 - I tried.

01:14:41 If it's not taken, it's not taken.

01:14:42 - Wait, was it that big smile?

01:14:44 - Yeah.

01:14:45 - Yeah.

01:14:46 - It flashed for like a second.

01:14:47 Oh, all right.

01:14:48 That's not too bad.

01:14:49 I thought it was gonna be like, oh, that's not.

01:14:50 - Oh.

01:14:51 - You're not seeing this?

01:14:52 - Here we go.

01:14:53 - I thought it'd be like this.

01:14:54 - Oh, good riddance, man.

01:14:55 - I thought it'd be like, hold on, give me a second.

01:14:58 - So when Joe Sway is running late

01:15:01 and Brockton Wi-Fi is acting up,

01:15:03 we can just slap this in there.

01:15:04 Boom.

01:15:05 - That's real time.

01:15:06 - I thought it'd be like.

01:15:07 - We're live now.

01:15:08 We're live.

01:15:10 - Usually they do it like that.

01:15:12 - That's that.

01:15:12 - They do it like that.

01:15:14 - Yeah, there he is.

01:15:15 That's what he looks like.

01:15:16 - Funny.

01:15:17 - Got Ray Allen in the back.

01:15:18 - Anyway.

01:15:19 Yeah, no, all right, we're good.

01:15:20 Thank you guys for hanging out.

01:15:21 Some of us will see you here tomorrow.

01:15:23 Celtics take on the Kings.

01:15:25 Possibly no Tatum, definitely no Horford.

01:15:27 Yeah, and it's 2 a.m.

01:15:29 We all, wow, 2 a.m.

01:15:30 - You guys are real warm.

01:15:32 Staying up with us.

01:15:32 Appreciate you.

01:15:34 - Thank you guys for hanging out.

01:15:35 We will see you guys, most of you guys,

01:15:37 I'm guessing tomorrow.

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