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00:00 It's beat podcast right here on the CLNS media network. It is Brian Hines from Pat's pulpit with Alex Barth from 98 5d sports hub

00:07 Hope everyone enjoyed their bi week. We didn't have to watch any Patriots football, which was maybe kind of nice for a change there

00:16 so

00:16 No game to obviously break down. So we will do a little Q&A again today. So

00:21 Anyone in the chat anything you want to talk about, you know again?

00:26 This week quarterbacks big picture anything drop that in the chat and we will get to it

00:31 But we can start with some quarterback talk because we did talk to Bill O'Brien and some of the Patriots coaches this morning

00:38 He was not ready to name a starting quarterback. He said Bill Belichick will do that at some point this week, but

00:45 Kind of made it sound like this is gonna be a competition and practice for this this starting job

00:51 And he said the last practice before the by Mac got first team reps, but Bailey and will agree or rotated in there. So

00:58 Seems like this one's I guess kind of heading for a competition when they get on the practice field tomorrow

01:04 I don't know if that's what you kind of took away from it or what other thoughts you had from what Billy Oh had to

01:10 Say yeah, it certainly made it feel that way. I would say on all fronts

01:14 Definitely feels like it's gonna be an open competition. I think Mac is involved

01:19 I he made it sound like they're not gonna take the job away from Mac for the sake of taking it away from which I

01:24 Know is what some people want, but this is kind of how it's been

01:28 This kind of how it you still hear me? Yeah, you're good. All right

01:32 This is kind of how it's been reported all year, right? They may have made a change sooner if

01:37 They felt like they had somebody to go to to make that change in Bailey's a P will Greer Malik Cunningham

01:45 Just haven't practiced at that level now part of it in O'Brien and Belichick have all talked about. This is there's only so many

01:52 windows for those guys to prove themselves

01:55 And that was probably helping Mac out the big picture now

01:59 Maybe they open some more of those windows up now

02:01 It was interesting and I kind of covered this all I wrote about everything O'Brien said on 98 by the sports of calm this morning

02:08 He talked about at that Wednesday practice

02:13 He said

02:15 Mac took the first team reps Bailey rotated in there will Greer rotated in there

02:19 Okay

02:20 Rotated in at first team reps or rotated in a quarterback because what we saw from the brief and he's obviously talking about the whole

02:27 Practice we only saw a small window

02:29 Did zappy and Greer rotate in with the first teamers?

02:32 So they did they just rotate in as the backups rotate in that's an important point of clarification. So I

02:40 Do still think they are giving Mac Jones a chance here, but I think it is open

02:44 I think it is open to all three of them to win

02:47 I I Cunningham just based on some of the stuff O'Brien said I feel like Cunningham as a quarterback maybe a little bit further away

02:53 Realistically if they thought there was a chance he was gonna be the starting quarterback. He'd be on the roster

02:58 He wouldn't be on the practice squad

03:00 But it does feel like it's it's an open competition mainly between Mac and zappy

03:06 I kind of throw will Greer in there just cuz again he's on the roster. We saw him in that rotation

03:10 But it really between Mac and zappy it feels like it's gonna be an open competition this week

03:14 so how do you think that ends I guess cuz

03:17 You know, my point was when he was saying that and then Tom Curran asked him later. Yeah, you know the last question he said

03:24 Like max probably he's winning these competitions in practice up to this point and you know

03:30 he's a first-round pick Bailey's a P's a fourth-round pick will Greer mid-round pick like

03:36 He might just keep winning these practice competitions

03:38 But then you know when it gets to Sunday and it's on the game field

03:42 It just you know kind of falls apart for him. So like do you think they can even if Mac is winning these?

03:47 Competitions in practice. They should just keep rolling him out there or is there just a point where?

03:53 Everything you do on Sunday kind of takes takes priority there and they have to make a switch to either

03:58 zap your Greer

04:01 That's what they seem to be hesitant about because that's essentially benching Mac Jones to bench Mac Jones

04:07 Yeah, and the other option isn't maybe necessarily better. You're just getting him out of the game

04:11 I know a lot of fans are at that point with Mac. I don't think that for better or worse. I don't think the team is

04:17 So I do think somebody's gonna have to out-compete him and it was an interesting question by Tom

04:22 By Tom Curran basically if Matt continues to be the best quarterback in practice, but it's not carrying over to games

04:28 But practice is the only thing that's deciding who starts not games

04:32 Doesn't that kind of create a feedback loop and it does and that might be part of the reason they're in the spot

04:37 They're in that they're putting so much weight on the practice reps and not on the game reps, which I always say, you know

04:42 We underestimate

04:44 What goes on at practice and I think we should pay more attention to it

04:47 but at a certain point the games are the games and

04:49 We've heard we you know

04:51 How many times we heard about guys were practice players who are great in practice and can't play in the games or vice versa

04:55 right Sunday players

04:57 At a certain point you need to give it a look but if it truly comes down to who is the better week of practice

05:01 Unless Bailey's happy really grilled during the bye week. Like I don't know

05:06 Why does it change now?

05:09 unless Mac Jones

05:11 Has such a loss of confidence because of what happened in Indianapolis. That would probably be what doesn't mean

05:16 Yep, but I mean Billy Oh was saying, you know, he's fixable

05:20 He said he was has played some good football at times this year. He's fixable. It doesn't believe in the yip. So

05:27 So hang on on that quote

05:29 That here's the full quote from O'Brien. I thought this was notable

05:31 I don't believe in yips or anything like that Mac has played well Mac will play well again

05:37 So Bill O'Brien seems to be of the belief that at some point in some way shape or form Mac Jones is gonna play again

05:44 Does that mean he starts this week?

05:46 Does it mean that that maybe he won't start this week to kind of let him get his mind, right?

05:50 And then he'll start again after that is O'Brien talking about way down the road maybe on another team like I don't know

05:56 But O'Brien seems to indicate there that the expectation is at some point Mac Jones will play again

06:01 whether it be for the Patriots not I don't know but

06:05 interesting little tidbit there, but

06:07 They will practice back on the practice field tomorrow, I believe they're Tuesday Wednesday Friday this week so typical Thanksgiving schedule

06:17 Yeah, so I don't know

06:18 You know, we usually don't get to see in season much besides just opening stretching

06:23 But you know we did get a little glimpse on Wednesday of that first

06:27 you know drill after where the starting quarterback goes over and takes snaps behind the offensive line and it was Mac so

06:33 Then but O'Brien talked about the other two guys rotated in but who was it with we don't know so we'll be there tomorrow

06:40 But what will we see?

06:42 We don't know but I don't know unless you had any other thoughts on on Billy Oh or any of the quarterback things we can

06:49 We can move on from that talk for now

06:52 I think that I so one other thing that was really interesting. I think we always knew this

06:57 But and this honestly isn't even about the quarterbacks. I put this in the context of something else. Oh Brian was asked

07:03 When the team will make the call he was actually asked about Malik Cunningham

07:06 And if Malik Cunningham has done enough in practice to garner some looks in this

07:10 And as part of the answer he said and this is a general belief

07:15 Quote, I really believe this and I think this is important to say. Oh, no, that's the wrong part of the quote. Sorry

07:21 Here it is I

07:23 Think assistant coaches make recommendations in head coaches make decisions

07:28 when asked about personnel, so

07:31 Remember way back when - Mario Douglas got benched and we were asking is it O'Brien that's holding him out

07:40 Is it bill does O'Brien want him out there and bill won't put him out there

07:43 I think we got the answer to that question

07:45 I think we got the answer some of the caisson booty stuff when bill

07:50 O'Brien came here in January even before that we were talking about

07:54 Who's the offense coordinator going to be?

07:57 We use that term head coach of the offense a lot and how autonomous

08:02 Would the offense be after Belichick was very involved last year and it struggled last year and it's clear

08:07 Oh Brian definitely has more control than Patricia did but

08:12 It's clear Belichick is still pulling some major strings

08:17 Whether it be again pop Douglas

08:20 Caisson booty I would guess Michael and when went right tackle is a Belichick thing because that carried over from last year

08:27 And you know some of the inverse stuff as well if I'm gonna attribute some I have to attribute all of it

08:34 That's a workload for to juice miss Schuster, etc

08:37 But it doesn't it feel like we kind of got an answer to all of that who is ultimately deciding this bizarre

08:43 player usage on the offense

08:46 Bill Belichick is giving O'Brien the players O'Brien's calling plays with the players bills allowing him to use that kind of feels like

08:52 Based off that quote

08:54 What this whole season has been?

08:56 Yep

08:58 Which is really what we didn't want to happen, right?

09:01 We said like right coach of the offense like let bill O'Brien handle that then bill Belichick can go back to defense

09:07 Excuse me in special teams, which special teams is a mess too. So and the reality is if bill O'Brien

09:15 Doesn't get that kind of autonomy

09:17 Nobody's going to who will maybe Josh McDaniels

09:21 Yeah, it's just if he doesn't trust if Belichick doesn't trust O'Brien at that level

09:27 He's not gonna trust anybody at that level because O'Brien's as qualified as anybody they're gonna get he said it today. He's like

09:33 Someone asked him if he wanted to be a head coach again down the line

09:36 But he said today right like I've handled every role in an organization

09:41 Basically that you could as a coach. So yeah, if he's not gonna get that that leadership of the offense

09:47 And I don't see anyone else getting that with bill Belichick still in the house. So

09:51 That was your quarterback update again. Maybe we'll see something at practice tomorrow. Maybe not but

09:56 we can start getting over to some Q&A's if you guys want to keep dropping some stuff in the chat and

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10:51 All right, all right started thoughts on Georgia tackle of Marius Mims as

11:01 a potential draft pick

11:04 So we've talked a lot about the guys at the top Joe alt Oluf a Shanu but then you have this second tier

11:10 Really a couple SEC guys and JC Latham in a Marius Mims are the next tackles up

11:15 So here them has he is he healthy now, I know he had like a back this week. He missed a couple weeks

11:21 He was back against Tennessee

11:23 So yeah, he's like I believe he's pretty inexperienced

11:27 he's only made like five or six starts before because George always has good tackles, but

11:33 yeah, I mean if you can get back in that I'm

11:35 Guessing is still gonna be a first round pick. But I mean he has some really good flashes

11:40 I think he's moves pretty well for like a 330 340 pound tackle. So

11:45 It might be one of those weird

11:49 Spots like you might not be able to get him unless you trade back or something

11:52 But I mean, I like the player from what I've seen. I'm just trying to pull up his exact numbers snaps here. But yeah

11:58 raw

12:00 raw player

12:02 Definitely has upside

12:04 He as the commenter points out here. He's only played right tackle

12:07 I

12:08 Hesitate to move a guy who's never played on the left side and put him on the left side the NFL especially in the Patriots

12:13 Kind of system for what it's worth. The same can be said about JC Latham boy. I really like as well

12:18 The tackle I'm kind of getting into is Patrick Paul from Houston

12:23 Day to a second round pick I think does plays the position the way the Patriots want it played and

12:31 That you know if you're gonna go Marvin Harrison or quarterback in round one

12:34 Patrick Paul is a guy on day two. I think

12:37 There's not a lot of depth in this tackle class. I think it drops off pretty good after Paul a

12:42 couple other guys in there but

12:45 On day two a guy who can potentially be day one starter for you. So I'm a fan of his

12:50 Alright another college football question

12:53 Asked Barth if he thinks chase Jay McCarthy should return to Michigan rather than declare for the draft

12:59 I I mean it would be a good idea

13:01 He's kind of got exposed here in these last two weeks. By the way, yes, no, Michigan no longer has the signals. I

13:07 Didn't really get to watch the Michigan game this weekend, but I heard it

13:12 Didn't look great for JJ McCarthy. He was throwing the ball in the team meetings like non-stop

13:17 He was what throwing the ball into team meetings non-stop

13:21 Maryland probably dropped two or three interceptions Wow, okay, so I

13:27 Mean he was they didn't let him throw or he didn't throw against Penn State and then I guess if he had a bad game

13:33 against Maryland, so

13:35 Ohio State next weekend. That's the test. I guess we'll really see get a good look at him

13:39 If he is a bad game against Ohio State

13:41 Like I I said a couple weeks ago

13:43 He need to have a good game against Penn State to even start to be considered in that first round conversation

13:48 I think he's a day to pure upside no floor player. He is a bad game against, Ohio State

13:53 I think you're talking about a guy that maybe doesn't go on the top 100

13:57 because they're just every instance against top defenses are gonna be X's for him and

14:03 At that point you go back to school because next year's class the two guys are supposed to headline next year's class

14:08 true Aller and

14:10 Com accord suck. They're both like bad like really bad. So

14:15 Shoulder will probably be in the class next year. It sounds like yours might go back but McCarthy with another year and

14:21 Blake Coram will be gone. They'll probably be throwing the ball a little more

14:24 I think it would do him really well if you can go in the top 100. He probably just comes out anyway, but

14:29 Yeah, I think that the ship has sailed on but somebody might still take him in the first round

14:33 I'd call that a bad pick and a monumental risk doesn't mean

14:36 He's got like Vikings written all over him. I don't just seems like a general Connell like jets. Yes

14:43 Yes, Oh Zach Wilson's not working. I know what we can do. We'll draft Zach Wilson

14:49 That's that

14:51 Any team any time any place except, you know, most NFL stadiums against most NFL teams got benched today

14:58 What could you get from Bill Belichick in a trade I

15:03 So, you know that one. I feel like a first-round pick is an unrealistic ask

15:09 I don't know that you're getting any more than that

15:11 but I I feel like that's realistic because

15:16 If you're trading Belichick the idea is like you're not letting him go to the open market

15:19 Somebody's buying their way to hire the greatest coach of all time without having to compete for method bargaining table at the negotiating table

15:25 That you should be able to get a first one

15:28 Yeah, I mean we said last week like Sean Payton was a first and a second for payment and a third I believe and but

15:36 He's 12 years younger. He's 59 or 60. I believe so. So had a lot of sass and he was out of the game for a year

15:42 Yeah, but I still think you should be able to get a first round pick for Bill

15:47 I think that would be a fair asking price. I

15:49 Would say first round pick as well

15:52 All right, if Caleb Williams and they're off the board. Who's the next best option?

15:57 So I guess there's two ways to answer this question at quarterback. I think it's clearly Michael Pennix

16:02 He's the one guy that hasn't kind of given into this quarterback nose dive

16:07 I know we didn't have a great week this week, but in tough conditions

16:10 He made that he made the gotta have a throws and that counts for something

16:13 After that, I got to come back on a take I had last week

16:16 Okay, probably Marvin Harrison jr. I know a lot of you guys were mad at me

16:20 Somebody called in the cat the Joe all take I don't think I presented that take great

16:24 The take probably didn't come across as what it was supposed to be

16:27 Which was basically it's a conversation and maybe it ends up being Marvin Harrison when we're all said and done

16:36 But I think when you talk about what at what the other options are tackle this offseason

16:41 That increases Joe alts value on its own, but it's still probably Marvin Harrison. Yeah, I

16:48 Think it's Marvin Harrison

16:51 quarterback

16:53 Probably panics still and I mean he talked about another guy who might go back

16:57 But Carson Beck from Georgia has he's really impressed me. He's been playing some really good football

17:03 He was had a few awesome really good throws against, Tennessee. So I

17:07 Think he's starting to work into that, you know

17:10 That maybe that next year after panics or someone in that range

17:14 But again, he could be someone who goes back and maybe is competing for you know

17:17 QB one worked that way up to like maybe a top five top ten pick next year

17:21 But that's just another name that I've been impressed with lately

17:24 Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back but I'm with you

17:26 I think that he's a he's done real well for himself this year. He's throwing the ball very well

17:31 Oh good question

17:33 Would we bring back Jakob Johnson I would

17:37 Whether it's now or in the offseason the running game has not been the same since they stopped using a fullback

17:44 Helps in pass protection as well. You can help him pass protection

17:47 I would go back to the fullback more and more teams are doing it

17:49 Patriots are an OG fullback team

17:52 Jakob Johnson's a good player can help reestablish some of that championship culture. Yes, I would absolutely call him

18:00 Yep, I'm with you on that

18:02 All right

18:05 Chances Billy Oh draft the weapons. I just saw a question mark. I don't really understand what that means

18:13 Chances Billy Oh

18:17 Draft the weapons like are you putting it on Billy Oh saying he drafted the receivers cuz I think in the upcoming draft

18:25 I will move on to the next my apology if you want to

18:28 Answer it

18:29 He did he did note today that he worked out Malik on a hand

18:33 We kind of have a little bill so he was he was somewhat involved in some of that process

18:37 So who didn't I bring up getting cut? Oh probably Jakob Johnson. I brought up on Johnson

18:43 Shudder Sanders

18:45 If drafted do like him as QB 3

18:48 Yeah, he's probably in that same level as pennex, but I I would be shocked at this point if he comes out

18:53 I I really just as I'm doing a lot of my QB prep. I haven't been considering him

18:57 I I can go back to him if I need to like I feel comfortable enough placing him but I

19:01 I don't know about you Brian everything that's that we've said it's been said and everything we've heard out of Colorado like he's going back

19:08 Yeah, I mean his his dad is looks like he's pretty he believes that he's going back

19:15 So I I believe he'll be back to I'm with you

19:17 I haven't really been including him and a lot of that QB stuff, so I'm not banking on that, but I do like him

19:23 Yeah, he's probably be QB 3 QB 4 in there with pennex. This is an interesting one

19:27 This is I think something a lot of people are coming around to take Marvin Harrison jr

19:31 With that top three pick and then either trade up or if you get a first round pick from bill

19:35 Take Jaden Daniels Jaden Daniels continues to be

19:38 Very impressive and has probably worked his way into the first round of conversation

19:43 Yeah, I'd be shocked if he's not a first round. That's the most popular mock draft on Patriots Twitter

19:49 Yeah, now the Marvin Harris said it and Jaden Daniels at 35 or back in the first round and then you know what and then you

19:55 Get Patrick Paul and there you go

19:57 Yeah, good shape. You're cooking with gas there at the same time. I've seen like

20:01 Drake May and then

20:04 You know Roma doomsday later in the first or or one of those guys or Tez Walker and the third

20:11 I'll hit a bad draw this weekend

20:13 Any potential third down backs on the radar for the radar for this year's draft, uh, yeah

20:21 I'm sort of starting to dig through that. I can't give you a million names right now one guy

20:27 I do like that stood out to me. This is like a later

20:30 Later in the draft guy is a chiquavious marks from Mississippi State. I think he sees the field really well

20:36 I think he catches the ball really well

20:38 We'll get more Donovan Edwards another one for Michigan obviously Blake Coram

20:43 But you're talking about a much higher pick at that point

20:44 I wouldn't hate if they go veteran here

20:47 Just because one I already think they need a drafter running back because they're not history tells us they won't pay him on

20:51 Stevenson so that's a I'd like that to be a top 150 pick and just the complexity that role

20:57 You know if they can get a guy like Jerick McKinnon or somebody that but yeah

21:00 We will talk a lot about the third down backs in in the class once we get a little closer. I'm still I

21:07 I've never had a lock-in on quarterbacks this much. So I

21:11 like I'm starting to find those other guys and

21:13 Specifically this quarterbacks class how much of a roller coaster it's been

21:19 It's made it kind of tough. I'm a little behind honestly on some other positions, but

21:24 First mock draft for me. I don't know about you Brian. I always do one the day after the Super Bowl

21:32 That's always my first mock draft and we'll probably do one

21:35 Early February on this show at some point

21:39 we won't start doing them every week until after free agency because it's just

21:42 You don't know we don't we don't know enough to do them regularly before, you know changes all that but

21:48 I'll be ready come second week in February. I'll have everybody down

21:51 It's it's definitely a need like we can stress on that that they haven't replaced James way in that role

21:58 Then you mentioned a good point with you know, we're Mondra. He'll be in his last year. So

22:02 You know, Pierre Strahan is obviously gone. We haven't seen much of Kevin Harris

22:07 I think you know, they're all of a sudden gonna rely on him. So yeah, it's definitely a spot they could look to add

22:12 Already get get ready for Blake Coram right there like top

22:17 I brought that up. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I brought that up on catch 22 and Evan had a break

22:23 I don't know if you guys haven't heard that last catch 22 episodes about halfway in

22:28 somebody calls in and asks about other needs besides quarterback in the draft dimensions running back and Evan says you can do running back on

22:34 Your own time and then I will read him about Blake Coram for about five minutes

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25:28 All right back to the questions could Vrabel becoming the Patriots coach be a real option

25:34 Will Levis isn't catching on I

25:37 Does he want to go through a rebuild if he does would he rather do it here than there?

25:41 I think that's a valid question. I don't know the answer to it, but I think it's a valid question

25:44 Yeah

25:48 Oh, this is clarifying the earlier question should Bill O'Brien be the one drafting the way off this upcoming draft

25:58 Would that we're so far as it's a tough question answer if it's the same staff all around. Yes. He should have more input

26:04 If it's a different staff, I think you're bringing in a staff that specializes on the draft and

26:11 Accumulating on talent. So who knows if O'Brien will even be here at that point?

26:16 Yeah, I mean if it's this setup, right like he can't do much worse than what the guys have have picking got so

26:25 That was something we thought we all were gonna be excited for when he came here is you know

26:29 He's got the experience in the college game. He knows a lot of these guys now, so maybe that would help but I

26:34 Don't know how much say he had but it didn't look like it helped this year at least so all right

26:41 Dave Ziegler coming back. I

26:43 Don't see it. I know I that'd be a weird dynamic with grow

26:48 And we know Robert Kraft has talked a lot has lamented quite a bit on

26:55 The drafts from 2019 - you know, well Ziegler was here. I don't think that's a guy

27:01 He's rushing to bring back. All right, we got a quarterback ranking. I guess this is our thoughts

27:06 Caleb Williams Drake may Michael Penix. Yeah me so far Bo Nix

27:10 Jane Daniels got to be up there. Jane Daniels below JJ McCarthy and Brock Bowers. Who's a tight end?

27:19 I right now Oh Nix at war I have Caleb Williams and Drake May tier one

27:23 Michael Penix is like second tier quarterback mid first round fringe first round is Jane Daniels and

27:30 Then Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy after that as the all-floor no ceiling in the all-ceiling no floor guy

27:36 So that's my rankings right now subject to change

27:41 Yeah, I'm pretty much there with you on those tiers

27:46 Let's see. What else we got? We didn't talk about you Michael hasty

27:50 Actually, they did make a move since we were last on your thoughts on to Michael hasty

27:53 So I was first wondering if he was gonna take time on gum Rays spot or if there was gonna be a

28:02 Another move there maybe, you know free up a spot for someone like Connor McDermott to get to the active roster

28:07 But because he's a similar type of player as Montgomery, you know special teams. They haven't got any production out of that

28:15 Kick return unit with with Montgomery back there. So I was wondering if that was gonna be a swap

28:20 Montgomery is still here as we speak. So I don't know maybe

28:25 Another special teams guy to help turn that ship around here. That's what seems like that's kind of my hasty hasty talk

28:32 I like to see him put him in the backfield

28:34 Yeah, that that too that would be nice have we heard any rumors about Vinny Sun Seri being the successor not Mayo

28:42 I have not I would be very surprised if that happened. That would be one of the more surprising things they could do

28:47 Yeah

28:51 What do you you think the paths could get back in a trade for Mac Jones

28:57 Right now not much

29:01 Get back at day three pick. I think that's you're gonna get snow for him. All right, Trey Lance went for fourth

29:07 He's pretty broken too. So

29:09 Probably gonna some team will always

29:12 Some teams will always be convinced on a first-round talent to bring them and try to fight some

29:16 You got a fifth or sixth round pick for him something like that

29:19 How about this

29:23 How about we get weapons in line in this draft and free agency with Mac is QB if things don't work out

29:28 We'll have the offense we need for the next quarterback

29:30 Yeah

29:31 the only problem is this is what I was screaming all of last year and it didn't happen and I don't know that

29:38 You trust Belichick in this group to do it this time after not doing it last time

29:44 Especially because your resources are more limited now because it's one year closer to Mac Jones rookie contract being up

29:51 So I think the clock ran out on it was a good strategy last year

29:54 I think the clock ran out on it and the reality is that there's a new coach and GM

29:59 Generally, they want their own guy quarterback. Generally the coach GM combo. They want their quarterback their guy

30:06 even if there is a first-round pick in place, so

30:08 Last year I was with you. I was screaming it from the rooftops. Just go put the reason there was no great quarterbacks available

30:16 go put the resources elsewhere and

30:18 If it works out great, if not, the next offseason is one where you go get the quarterback

30:24 They didn't put any of the pieces in place. It hasn't worked out now. You got to start from scratch

30:28 Yeah, and I'm always in the belief that if you like say Caleb Williams

30:33 For example, if you think Caleb Williams is that guy like get your quarterback figure everything else out

30:38 Like the quarterback is the most important part, especially this year when you're gonna have 60 70 million dollars of cap space, right?

30:45 You can go add pieces weapons linemen to help him that way too. So, you know, it's not just the draft but

30:52 That's my type of thing

30:54 like if you can get the quarterback if you identify the quarterback you really like like go get that guy and

30:59 Figure it all out out later, but actually figure it out this time

31:03 Don't just do the last three years all over again with the new quarterback in the last three years

31:08 Somebody said do we know Belichick drafted Cole Strange attack on Thornton? This person says not bill picks in my opinion

31:14 Why are we not blaming grow more for poor draft picks?

31:17 I would be very surprised if the same person drafted Cole Strange attack on Thornton

31:21 Those two picks have two very different profiles. So has grow ducked some criticism. Yes

31:28 Cole Strange was a bill Belichick pick. I thoroughly believe that it's I Kwan Thornton might have been macro

31:32 But I I don't think the same person drafted both of them

31:36 Yeah, I mean

31:38 Patricia picks but that's a another story

31:41 They fit that system right that he wanted that speed and outside zone and all that good stuff

31:49 But uh, yeah, Cole Strange screams bill Belichick. Yeah

31:54 What are?

31:56 thoughts on Caleb Williams character concerns

31:59 So there's the

32:03 the crying a few weeks ago was the big one and then this past weekend he didn't speak to the media which

32:10 Brought up these character concerns again, I I don't know. I don't really care about it. I guess like

32:18 none of this is

32:21 Shine me away from drafting Caleb Williams right now if he's on I just so I think realistically how's he gonna handle this market?

32:28 Yeah, and they're crying stuff that I think I said we talked about it at the time didn't really bother me the week before people

32:34 Are saying he didn't care enough

32:36 They're not talking to the media. I mean like

32:38 Look, you know what questions are coming. Are you going back? Are you declaring for the track? You're going back to school

32:44 You're gonna play in the ballgame

32:46 Are you worried about your draft stock? You've known those questions are coming. You should be ready for them

32:51 If he does that in Boston, he's gonna get shredded for it

32:55 Yeah, and he has every right to do it, but you have to

33:01 Does do the players are drafting of the mental makeup for the city? Everybody gets annoyed with Mac and

33:08 A lot of fans get annoyed with Mac in the way he talks. I just I think that's him handling the media

33:13 He's very careful not to say anything definitive and I get that

33:16 I I think you're gonna run into similar issues with Caleb Williams

33:19 I just I wonder if he's there if he can handle as intensive a market as this

33:25 Yep, I'll say the one thing that does

33:29 Give me some worries. It's like the stuff with his dad, right like

33:34 Like I don't know just that stuff kind of annoys me when is you know dad or someone has to come out and start saying

33:41 stuff or

33:42 Or whatever but like the crying

33:45 Again, I didn't really care about it and then the media is whatever but yeah, if he does it here, it's uh,

33:51 It would be a big issue, but I'm still drafting them. I'm still drafting them

33:56 You like Malachi more day -

34:05 I

34:08 Gotta I gotta pull pull up my notes here

34:11 Yeah, I I just don't think they can afford to take a safety that high

34:14 I do I like he's a good player. I

34:17 The guy I really like for them and they're not gonna have a chance to draft him is

34:21 Cam Kitchens from Miami that guy because they need that true

34:27 deep

34:28 Freeze safety center field or whatever blah blah blah Malachi more plays

34:33 He's kind of a combo plays a lot in the box as well. I would kind of took like that Brian Brian

34:41 Yeah, Cam Kitchens is a center fielder and that

34:45 If they hadn't screwed up the offense like if Mac, you know

34:49 if Mac was playing well

34:51 and they hit on the juju signing and they were getting tackle play and like the offense was it was supposed to be if they'd

34:57 Signed a tackle in the offseason. I would be all on

35:01 Cam Kitchens being the guy obviously they have bigger needs on the offense side of the ball, but

35:06 Maybe maybe in four years when he's a free agent if they're still running the same defensive system

35:11 That's the guy they call but he'd be such a good fit

35:14 Yep

35:17 I'll bring this up because I've seen a few people say this that Mac Jones is

35:23 Interception against the Colts was tipped by the linebacker

35:26 No

35:29 Like I went back and looked at it again because someone mentioned it last week and I just don't see that at all

35:34 I think he just short on that. I don't know if you saw it differently, but I don't think that ball was tipped

35:40 I it might have been a little bit ultimately

35:44 It wasn't tipped enough there to stop it from getting to

35:49 The ball was never gonna get to get sticky one way or the other it might have been deflected a little bit

35:53 I I have kind of seen one angle where it looks like he just gets a finger on it, but I

35:58 Not to the point where it was gonna go another ten yards

36:02 It it might have been the difference between an interception and completion, but it still doesn't redeem that throw

36:09 it's like the

36:12 Sky cam wire. No that ball hit the wire. That one was different that ball hit the wire. It knocked it down

36:17 I stand by that one. That one was not max fault. That was ESPN screwing over the Patriots once again, I

36:23 Think it still would have been an interception the sky cam wire, but that like it definitely hit the wire

36:30 But I think it was still as I don't know I hit it hit the wire pretty solid

36:34 Yeah

36:37 Anything else you see there or

36:40 Before the season there were rumors bill Belichick was offering Mac Jones. I assume this means in trade

36:49 Do you think there's any truth in this bill wanted Mac gone to craft wanted to keep Mac?

36:54 I yeah, they probably were caught

36:56 Look either they were calling around on Mac Jones or they weren't but they wanted it public that they were I

37:01 Don't I think it was more just playing mind games with Mac than anything else and I've said this before and I'll say it again

37:08 You don't need to take your young quarterback and throw him through the blender to make sure he's tough enough

37:13 It's just not a good idea. I I get it

37:17 They don't want players to become complacent and all that fine

37:20 You don't need to torture the kid or any of the kids any of the rookies. It's not just quarterbacks

37:25 Maybe there was a time you could do that. That's not what the modern athlete is

37:29 I think this was just build playing some weirdo mind games that didn't work

37:33 Yep, they made it as difficult as possible for him and he didn't handle it well, but they made it they made it difficult

37:42 Assuming the

37:46 Patriots get one of the quarterbacks and then land another mid first round pick for trading bill Belichick. Who would they pick?

37:52 I think it's you know, one of those wide receivers, you know, Keon Coleman Roma dunes a or a tackle, right?

38:00 Like that that mid first if you get a quarterback at three or five or wherever that mid first round pick in that early second

38:07 round pick wide receiver tackle

38:09 Whatever the order wants to be like I think those are the two kind of clear-cut spots there and again

38:14 I wouldn't rule it out going the other way either where you take Marvin Harrison jr

38:17 And then you use that other pick on Jaden Daniels. We talked about that. I would roll that out either some people asking us

38:22 About Jane Daniels draft stock. Yeah, I mean he's in the first round conversation

38:25 I don't need to know that he's a first round lock yet. I think that

38:29 He's kind of running it up right now

38:32 When we get to the pre-draft process, I don't think the weigh-ins are gonna be good for him

38:37 The combine will see if he runs a good 40 the combine will help him

38:42 But again that weigh-in thing teams are gonna be worried about his durability that kind of thing. How well does he interview?

38:48 But he's definitely definitely definitely the first round conversation

38:52 He's QB three or four, you know

38:54 Penix is another guy that we're the combine will be big for him not even the on-field drills

38:59 Just how does he test medically?

39:01 but those are those two guys I think are pretty solidly locked in three and four and

39:06 Penix will be a first round pick. I feel comfortable saying that I'd say more likely than not

39:10 Daniels is a first round pick

39:14 But I could see something or like will let us last year. He goes like 33rd or 34th or something

39:19 He's technically not a first round pick even though he's still taking up

39:22 Let's see

39:29 Want to end with this one

39:34 Not really

39:36 Fields and Kyler Murray look good Sunday still think we can get Caleb if we finish at three or I'll add do you think we?

39:42 Can still finish in that top three, you know, yeah good day for for the tank for the tank yesterday with the

39:50 Tommy DeVito getting a big win and I know Kyler lost but he looked fairly well and fields looked fairly well

39:58 so maybe

39:59 Less teams up there needing a quarterback

40:01 But that would also open the possibility of a trade down for a team coming up and potentially jumping you

40:07 So yeah, I I think that

40:10 I still think it's off three picks totally on the

40:13 Possibility I've said in the past to that if they're picking fifth and they need a guy in the top three

40:20 They should be able to go up and get him

40:22 Go get I will say I thought this was going somewhere else. I'm out on the trade for Kyler Murray thing

40:27 Guy can't stay on the field if you're gonna trade the top three pick for Kyler Murray at that point just trapped Caleb Williams. I

40:36 Have no interest in Kyler Murray

40:40 Yeah, I mean I like Kyler, but I'm not trading a top three pick for him

40:45 I'd rather may or Caleb Williams, especially on the rookie contract

40:48 That's another big part of this and then you know, I don't know. I don't need Tyler Murray here. I like Kyler but

40:54 Probably wouldn't go that route but

40:58 We can wrap it up

41:01 This is a very good question. Actually, why are we assuming bill Belichick doesn't have a no trade clause in his contract? I

41:07 It's fair question. I don't the the thing about it is

41:11 Just bill want to be here if Roberts trying to kick him out the door

41:15 Does bill really want to be where he's not wanted and on top of that?

41:19 Even if he doesn't want to go

41:22 Does Robert create a situation where bill doesn't want to stay in essentially force him out says don't bring in another GM

41:29 Nope, you know, I'm gonna hire people on the coaching staff. I'm gonna dictate who you draft

41:35 Bill won't stay and deal with that. So he might have a no trade clause or something similar to that. I

41:43 Don't think it matters. I think at the end of the day if they're done with bill bill will be done with them

41:49 I don't think there's a scenario

41:51 Where the crafts say all right bill

41:54 Thanks for 23 great years

41:57 Best of luck on what's next and bill says I'm not going anywhere. I just I I don't that's not how bill operates

42:05 He's not gonna be somewhere where ownership doesn't believe in them

42:08 Yep, the GM one is probably the big part of that right? Like if you bring someone in over him that's picking his players

42:16 I'm sure he wouldn't be a fan of that and then might wave said no trade clause if he does

42:22 Have one of those in his contract

42:25 so yeah, you could you could make kind of an environment where he doesn't want to be and kind of avoid that no trade clause, but

42:32 It is a good question. It's a good point because we really don't know much about the lucrative multi-year extension unless except

42:39 it sounds like it expires after next season, so

42:42 That's kind of all we know about it, but we will wrap it up there and we will be back Friday

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