The Blind Movie Podcast Ep 6
The Blind Movie Podcast Ep 6
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00:00 Hey Jack, this is Uncle Si.
00:01 Y'all are listening to The Blind Movie Podcast.
00:05 Watch The Blind Movie in theaters starting September 28th.
00:09 Remember, if God can save my brother Phil,
00:12 there's hope for all of us.
00:14 Get your tickets today at theblindmovie.com.
00:18 You gotta check out the next episode.
00:20 (dramatic music)
00:23 Welcome back to the podcast.
00:28 We are here talking about The Blind Movie,
00:30 which we watched last night with our family
00:32 for the very first time.
00:33 My name is Zach Dasher, if you don't know.
00:36 My mom was Jan in the movie,
00:37 so this episode today we're gonna talk about her
00:40 influence in Phil's life and how she brought Phil to Christ
00:43 through her ministry and through her love for him.
00:45 So to do that, I've invited my immediate family here,
00:48 along with Corey, one of our producers.
00:50 I got my wife Jill here, say hello Jill.
00:52 Hello.
00:53 And my father, Gordon Dasher, is with us here today.
00:56 Say hello to our dad. Hello.
00:59 And yeah, my mom passed away a few years ago,
01:01 so you're gonna have to be the one to tell us
01:04 a little bit about the story and her influence.
01:07 'Cause you were there for a lot of this as well, correct?
01:10 I was, yeah.
01:11 So your memory's probably pretty good on this as well.
01:14 What would you want people who watch The Blind,
01:17 maybe this isn't shown in The Blind,
01:19 what would you want them to know about my mom,
01:22 your late wife Jan?
01:26 Well, she was, the movie didn't really,
01:30 somebody asked me last night,
01:31 do you think that the movie captured Jan's personality?
01:34 And I would say, I don't know how you capture that.
01:38 She was quirky, I call her the female version of Phil,
01:42 but I think what the movie did capture about her
01:45 is that she was very passionate
01:48 about her relationship with Christ,
01:51 and that she was passionate about pursuing
01:55 her brother for Christ.
01:56 And there were a lot of people that she pursued like that,
01:59 you know, for Christ.
02:01 So I think it captured that really well.
02:04 I was in tears the whole time just looking at it,
02:06 thinking about how amazing she was in that regard.
02:10 Yeah, Corey, you knew my mom well,
02:11 so would you say, was there anything that we didn't capture?
02:13 'Cause you were, like me,
02:14 you were touching every part of this film.
02:16 Yeah.
02:17 Is there anything about her maybe we didn't capture?
02:18 Well, I think that, you know,
02:20 you said she was like Phil, but a little like Si, too.
02:23 I mean, the quirkiness of Si.
02:25 Would you say?
02:26 Yeah, she, you know, I used to tell people
02:28 I would wake up in the morning
02:29 and she'd have the covers pulled up here,
02:31 and I thought it was Si for a brief moment.
02:32 (laughing)
02:33 That was tough.
02:34 That's dramatic.
02:35 That scared me.
02:36 That scared you.
02:37 Whoa.
02:38 No, she was really, she was so much fun,
02:39 and such a light.
02:40 When she was in the room, you knew it.
02:42 And also just really always preaching the word.
02:46 Like, you would, if you were with her.
02:47 Mostly me.
02:48 Yeah, she would preach it, you'd say.
02:50 No, everybody, if you were with her for just even a moment,
02:53 you got some like nugget of like godly truth.
02:56 And I loved how she was just like,
02:58 it just came out of her so powerfully.
03:01 So yeah, she was really, really special.
03:03 And then, as we've mentioned before,
03:05 I don't know how these podcasts are gonna order,
03:07 but we talked about how she saw that in Phil.
03:10 Like, she knew.
03:11 She was the one to always say, like,
03:13 if Phil becomes a Christian,
03:14 then he's gonna bring so many more to Christ.
03:16 So she was prophetic, really.
03:19 It's incredible.
03:20 That she could approach you and be honest with you,
03:23 even if what she was saying
03:25 was not the most comfortable thing,
03:27 you would still love her for being honest with you.
03:30 I don't know.
03:31 She just had that.
03:32 Well, Phil's got that too.
03:32 It's like you can, like,
03:33 and a lot of the, most of the family members had that.
03:36 Yeah, I think about mom's role too in the family
03:38 is that she had this interesting position
03:41 where she could like, she could call out Phil or anybody.
03:45 And they just kind of accepted it with her.
03:48 You know, when we did the podcast with the brothers,
03:51 I mean, and Cy was in that one as well,
03:53 everybody was like, yeah, I was afraid of Phil.
03:56 I think my mom may have been the only one
03:58 that wasn't afraid of,
03:59 I don't think she was afraid of anybody, was she, dad?
04:01 You could probably answer that.
04:02 You want me to say she was afraid of me?
04:04 (all laughing)
04:04 She wasn't afraid of you.
04:05 I know that for a fact.
04:07 Did she ever talk to you about her relationship with Phil
04:10 growing up inside?
04:12 Kind of what was her dynamic with Phil?
04:13 Oh yeah, yeah.
04:14 The one that with Cy that stands out
04:16 is that Cy's the one that taught her about sex.
04:19 (all laughing)
04:20 And she said, Cy said,
04:24 they took her fishing and he said,
04:25 I want to talk to you about something.
04:27 All boys want sex.
04:30 And she said, what?
04:31 She said, he said, that's what they're all after.
04:34 And she said, not Bruce Lynn.
04:36 And he said, even Bruce Lynn.
04:39 (all laughing)
04:40 Wait, who's Bruce Lynn?
04:40 There's some guy that grew up with him.
04:42 Is this the character that's supposed to be in the film?
04:44 Yeah, Bruce, if you're listening
04:46 and you want to weigh in on that.
04:47 He's no longer alive.
04:49 Yeah, she talked about him
04:53 and they were really super close.
04:54 The two, I think that were the closest.
05:00 I mean, she was closer to Cy than anybody else.
05:03 And with Phil, she just had a lot of admiration
05:09 for how he fed the family.
05:11 And he kind of took charge when granny was sick.
05:14 And yeah, he brought game home and fish
05:19 and that kind of thing.
05:20 And he protected her.
05:22 You know, they both did.
05:23 They were very protective of Jan.
05:25 She always believed in him.
05:26 And she actually got me to go to the bar before Bill Smith.
05:29 I had met a Christian, but two or three weeks
05:31 and she thought I could talk to him.
05:33 And he basically intimidated the fire out of me
05:36 and ran me off, you know?
05:38 I mean, he just ridiculed me to no end.
05:40 I said, I'm never going back to that guy's bar, never.
05:43 - So you actually, I forgot about that.
05:45 That wasn't in the movie either.
05:46 So first she went to you and what did she say?
05:51 Tell us about that.
05:52 - She said, I want you to go with me to my brother's bar
05:56 and maybe you can talk to him about Christ.
05:59 So two weeks before I've been smoking weed
06:01 and drinking and all kinds of stuff.
06:04 And so I walked in and the first thing he did,
06:06 we found out I was from Florida.
06:07 He goes, Florida, I mean, good grief.
06:10 Nothing good comes out of Florida.
06:11 There's a lot of family dynamics for that.
06:14 So I mean, I don't remember what he said.
06:17 I just remember I left there with my tail between my legs.
06:20 I mean, he intimidated me to death.
06:23 - Were you scared of him?
06:24 - You mean physically?
06:27 - You can admit it.
06:28 - It's okay, this is a safe place.
06:30 - Yeah, it's a safe place here.
06:31 - Yeah, yeah, I was emotionally afraid of him.
06:36 Not physically, I could have taken him,
06:37 but I couldn't have taken him.
06:40 - So, Bond, does she go in there with you?
06:42 - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:43 But I mean, I just remember leaving with my tail, seriously.
06:46 It was between my legs.
06:47 I just was so intimidated.
06:49 And I didn't see him again until after he became a Christian.
06:54 I mean, we got married, he never came.
06:55 He didn't come to our wedding, shock, you know?
06:58 But after we got married,
07:01 then we kind of got to be friends.
07:03 Then we weren't friends again for a while.
07:06 I had a big argument with him
07:07 and his brother Harold one night.
07:09 I told Jan, "I'm never coming back to this place."
07:11 But now, even though Jan's gone,
07:15 I mean, I consider him one of my closest friends.
07:18 We're very close, work together a lot.
07:20 - Phil Robertson here.
07:27 You're listening to the Blind Movie Podcast.
07:30 And I want you to come out and see "The Blind"
07:33 in theaters starting September the 28th.
07:37 When you see it, you'll know that redemption
07:40 isn't out of reach for anyone.
07:43 Get your tickets today at theblindmovie.com.
07:48 (gentle music)
07:50 So what did mom tell you about why she went into the bar
07:57 with Phil, with Bill?
07:59 What was her, how did she present that?
08:01 - Okay, actually it was something you said earlier
08:03 was not accurate.
08:04 She didn't say it would bring thousands.
08:06 She said, "If we can just get him converted,
08:09 "he'll bring hundreds to the Lord."
08:12 And later, before she got really sick
08:14 and could have a conversation about it,
08:16 she said, "Was I ever wrong?
08:18 "It's actually millions of people that have heard
08:21 "the gospel because of Phil."
08:23 And so when she died, there were,
08:27 I don't know how many think there were there, a thousand?
08:29 That place was pretty packed.
08:30 And people would come up to me,
08:32 women who had been in the sex trade
08:36 or drug addiction or whatever,
08:38 women that had been married multiple times,
08:40 and we had tears in our eyes and said,
08:42 "If it hadn't been for Jan, I wouldn't be a believer today.
08:47 "She really either led me to the Lord
08:49 "or discipled me into my faith."
08:50 And then guys would come up and say,
08:52 "You know, if Jan hadn't led Phil to the Lord,
08:55 "I wouldn't be a believer because he converted me."
08:57 Or, "Phil didn't lead me to the Lord,
09:00 "but somebody that he converted,
09:03 "who converted somebody else."
09:04 It was like four generations down.
09:06 This person, four generations down
09:08 because Jan had this passion
09:11 to see her brother come to faith in Christ.
09:13 So just like, you know, it's like just all these fingers
09:18 and all the way out like a spider web.
09:20 It's amazing, you know, to think about the impact
09:23 that a very unassuming, humble woman, quirky, you know?
09:28 - I was thinking also about that scene.
09:31 So it comes right after in the movie
09:33 where Kay talks about you have to fight for your marriage.
09:37 And then Jan comes in to the bar
09:39 and there's this one little moment
09:41 where you see Jan and Kay connect,
09:43 like their eyes connect.
09:44 And I just feel like it's such a powerful moment
09:47 of like strength of women to be like,
09:49 "Hey, we're in this together.
09:51 "Like I'm here for you.
09:52 "I'm here for you.
09:53 "I'm fighting for your marriage for you, with you."
09:55 And Kay looks at Jan and is like, "You're here."
09:58 You know?
09:59 And so I just, I don't know.
10:00 I feel like that's such a powerful moment
10:02 where women can like come together and be like,
10:05 "Hey, I'm here in it with you.
10:06 "I'm not giving up with you for your marriage."
10:09 And I love that scene.
10:10 - There was a lot of different people,
10:13 like a lot of different people that played a role
10:15 that God had used to bring this story about.
10:18 It wasn't really just about Phil.
10:20 That's why I love how Si talks about it.
10:21 It's God's story.
10:22 It's not really just Phil and Kay's story.
10:24 It's not just about Phil repenting and Kay forgiving.
10:26 It's about your granddad giving Kay a job.
10:29 It's about Bill Smith giving them a place to stay.
10:32 It's about mom bringing him into the bar.
10:33 It's all these other people that came around this story.
10:37 And that's how God works.
10:38 His sovereignty is that he's orchestrating these things out.
10:41 And so I found that to be just incredibly powerful
10:44 as I was watching it.
10:46 So now I was also gonna ask you a question.
10:49 I probably know the answer to this,
10:51 but I mean, was mom always just convinced
10:55 about this thing with Phil that he would,
10:57 I mean, she seemed to have a pretty strong confidence in it.
10:59 Did you ever see her waver in her confidence
11:01 on what she thought Phil would do?
11:03 - That he would lead people?
11:04 - Yeah.
11:05 - Oh yeah.
11:06 I mean, from the first time that I met her,
11:08 she told me about him.
11:09 And she told me Terry Bradshaw was his backup quarterback.
11:13 And I played dumb.
11:14 I said, "Who's Terry Bradshaw?"
11:15 Acted like I'd never heard of him.
11:17 She was very convinced that he was a leader of people
11:20 'cause he always had an entourage.
11:22 Even when he was at his worst,
11:25 he always had a crowd of people following behind him.
11:28 And he told me last night or yesterday afternoon
11:30 that in junior high school and high school,
11:32 he would go over to the smokers.
11:35 But this may be hard for y'all to believe,
11:37 but when we were in high school,
11:38 they had a smoker's circle outside
11:40 and people that smoked would go out and smoke cigarettes.
11:43 So he would go over there.
11:44 Well, he didn't smoke, but he went over there
11:46 because he could lean up against the wall and tell stories.
11:49 And he said, "There'd be 30 or 40 guys
11:51 "standing around listening to me tell these stories."
11:53 And he said, "I just made 'em up, stuff I made up."
11:57 And then, of course, Cy later on tried to imitate that.
12:00 And his are so ridiculous, but they're funny
12:02 because they're outrageous.
12:04 But she saw that in him, that he had this ability
12:08 to just draw people into conversations.
12:11 I wouldn't even call it a conversation.
12:13 Draw people into his monologue.
12:15 Is that fair?
12:16 - Yeah. - Yeah, that's more--
12:17 - But he could paint a picture.
12:19 - He could paint a word picture.
12:20 People don't realize that if he's really crafty
12:23 with language, and she knew that, he's a wordsmith
12:26 that I highly respect him.
12:27 - I have a question about Jan.
12:29 How does she come to faith?
12:30 And did she just kind of, what did she say about her story?
12:32 Did she just always believe, or was there a moment for her?
12:35 - She was born saved.
12:36 (laughing)
12:38 - I think that because there was so much
12:41 uncertainty in her life.
12:43 I mean, she saw her mom, which was one of the hardest parts
12:47 of the movie to watch for me, is to see, you know,
12:50 see Granny being hauled away in this ambulance.
12:53 And the way she told it was that they would handcuff her
12:58 behind her back, and then she would try to kick the windows
13:01 out of the police cruiser.
13:03 So they handcuffed her feet, and then handcuffed her,
13:06 those handcuffs to the ones behind her,
13:08 so she couldn't move.
13:10 And she's eight years old, watching this unfold.
13:16 And so, I made the point to Corey earlier before we started
13:21 that everything in her life, and feels, and size,
13:24 was filtered through this experience of watching her mom
13:28 have these manic episodes, where there's a total break
13:33 with reality, and seeing her mom hauled away
13:36 to the mental hospital in, I don't know,
13:40 Alexander Pineville, yeah.
13:42 So, I mean, that happened repeatedly,
13:45 so I think that was there.
13:46 They didn't have much money.
13:48 They were sitting there one night watching TV,
13:52 and there was a knock at the door,
13:54 and Phil went to answer it, and Phil came back and said,
13:58 "Miss So-and-So wants to talk to you."
13:59 So, Paul said, "What does she want?"
14:01 Phil said, "She wants to adopt Jan."
14:04 So, he goes, "What?"
14:07 So he goes and talks to the lady and told her,
14:09 "No, she's my daughter, we're gonna keep her."
14:11 But people saw this, you know, and there was a lot of shame.
14:15 She would get off the bus two houses down
14:18 so people wouldn't know that was her house.
14:21 So, I think that this emptiness
14:23 and emotional turmoil just drove her
14:28 into the arms of Jesus,
14:32 and she had a very personal relationship with God.
14:36 I mean, when I first married her, we'd go to bed together,
14:39 and she'd be praying, you know, and she'd challenge God.
14:42 Like, I was pastoring a church,
14:45 I wasn't making much money, and she said,
14:47 "God, you own the Catalon 1000 Hills,
14:49 "why won't you do something about our finances?"
14:53 I moved over, 'cause I was totally unfamiliar
14:56 with that kind of language,
14:57 'til I just started digging deeper into the Psalms
14:59 and realized that's exactly how David talked to God.
15:03 - She prayed the Psalms.
15:05 I mean, she prayed like a psalmist.
15:06 - She was, it freaked me out.
15:09 So, I think that that, you know, like the C.S. Lewis quote,
15:12 you know, God speaks to us, whatever,
15:15 but his pain is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.
15:20 And I think that pain, I don't, so I don't know,
15:23 to answer your question, I don't know when.
15:26 - She's gone on to be the Lord,
15:27 but we're able to honor her with this podcast, too.
15:31 And I just wanna ask this question
15:33 as we kind of wrap up here.
15:35 I've thought about this a lot.
15:36 I thought about it last night.
15:37 What do y'all think?
15:38 Everybody can answer, 'cause we all knew Mom.
15:40 What do you think she would say if she could see this movie?
15:43 What do you think Mom would say if she could see the blind?
15:45 - Well, I think she would bawl her eyes out
15:47 through the entire thing.
15:50 I know that for sure.
15:51 I think she would be, oh my word.
15:54 I think she would be so proud of you and you, Corey,
15:58 and just the family, you know, telling this story.
16:01 But she wouldn't, I don't know, she would just be so,
16:06 she would just be so proud.
16:08 I like to think that she is,
16:11 she's getting to see all this, you know,
16:13 in that great cloud of witnesses.
16:14 - It was so special to get to be in that space
16:17 with all of our kids and grandkids,
16:20 and to just think about the legacy
16:24 that they are getting to like witness.
16:26 And, you know, there's a lot of good parts of legacy
16:28 that they witness, and, you know,
16:30 as we get to be together and have fun together
16:32 and have dinner together,
16:33 but to also see what God has brought us through,
16:35 the hard times that they get to witness,
16:37 I think is really beautiful, so, yeah.
16:40 - Well, whenever you said that,
16:42 I think I just can envision her,
16:44 like the big smile on her face and eyes glistening,
16:46 saying like, I knew it.
16:48 But it was like, it's not like bragging, I knew it,
16:51 but like, I knew it, like God told me
16:53 that that's what was gonna happen.
16:55 And just like a celebration, like I knew God had,
16:59 He had that.
17:00 - Never doubted it.
17:01 - That's right, yeah.
17:02 - I think more than being proud of her own role
17:05 in all this, I think she would be,
17:07 of course she's proud of Phil, she'd be proud of you.
17:10 She would be so, just so thrilled
17:13 that she didn't ever get the limelight,
17:15 she never sought it, you know, ever.
17:18 But to see her son doing what you're doing in the kingdom
17:23 and her daughter-in-law and her niece, you know, in-law,
17:28 this is family enterprise,
17:31 just telling the story of Jesus and redemption
17:34 that's played out in Phil's and Kay's life
17:37 and all their sons.
17:38 I think she would be overjoyed with it, yeah.
17:43 - Well, to reiterate what Si said,
17:45 this is not just our family story, this is God's story.
17:48 So some of you out there are like,
17:50 maybe you're not Phil in this story,
17:51 maybe you're not the person that's in despair,
17:54 maybe you're not Kay with a broken marriage,
17:56 maybe you're that person like my mom
17:58 who no one will ever hear about,
18:00 unless, you know, they're hearing about it now,
18:02 but I mean, she lived her life and never got to really
18:05 be recognized for just the incredible work
18:07 that she did early on.
18:08 Maybe you're that person.
18:10 So I wanna encourage you, you know, push in
18:12 and listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit
18:14 if he's moving you to share your faith with somebody
18:17 or to pursue someone that you love for the Lord,
18:19 like go do that and, you know, be like my mom was.
18:24 It's kind of cool that we're able to sit here
18:25 and tell these stories now.
18:26 It's a little bit, obviously emotional, but it's surreal.
18:30 And it makes me thankful for a God who is gracious,
18:35 who has lavishly poured out his grace on us
18:39 through the blood of his son, Jesus.
18:40 So thank y'all again and go see "The Blind,"
18:43 "The Blind" movie, blindmovie.com.
18:45 Thank you guys.
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