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The Boston Herald's Doug Kyed joins Andrews to go inside their co-authored report on how Mac Jones went from the next face of the Patriots franchise to a quarterback who's lost his way. Then, they plot out paths to victory for the Patriots in Las Vegas on Sunday and make their game picks.  0:00 Teaser 1:00 Intro 2:00 Is starts with Mac 7:00 Should make remain the starter? 8:54 Patriots 'starting over' 22:30 Tyquan Thornton and what impact he could make 36:46 X Factor 38:12 Paths to victory for the Patriots in Las Vegas  45:55 Game picks  You can also listen and Subscribe to Pats Interference on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, and at CLNSMedia.com every Tuesday!  This episode of the Pats Interference Podcast is brought to you by Fanduel Sportsbook, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network. NEW customers can bet $5 and get $200 in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Now is the best time to join FanDuel! The app is easy to use and you can be on everything from spreads to player props and more! So, visit https://FanDuel.com/BOSTON and kick off the NFL season with an offer you won’t wanna miss. 21+ and present in MA. Hope is here. First online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable bonus bets that expire 7 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. GamblingHelpLineMa.org or call (800)-327-5050 for 24/7 support. Play it smart from the start! GameSenseMA.com or call 1-800-GAM-1234.  ODDS-R! Ever wished you could navigate the betting field with the confidence of a pro? Enter OddsR. They're not a sportsbook, but they're the sports betting advisor you've always needed. It's like having a playbook for smarter bets right in your pocket. I've been absolutely loving the experience, and I think you will too. Especially since Pats Interference listeners get a 30-day free trial! Elevate your game day and join the smart betting revolution! Go get it at https://oddsr.com/pats !  Factor Meals! Head to https://FactorMeals.com/CALLAHAN50 and use CODE CALLAHAN50 to get 50% off. That’s code CALLAHAN50 at https://FactorMeals.com/CALLAHAN5 to get 50% off! #patriotspresspass #clns #patriots

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00:00 is Sunday about for the Patriots? I'm repeating the the the intro here. It's about Mac Jones'

00:05 future as an NFL starting quarterback really because if he's bad in this game just like he

00:10 was against the Saints and like he was against the Cowboys you have to bench him like but if

00:14 he's average he's probably going to continue along this season as the Patriots starter so

00:18 you need at least average play out of Mac Jones for him to keep starting moving forward but if

00:23 he gets benched again if they get blown out again you have to put someone else in there.

00:27 Yeah and that was one of the quotes again from from an AFC Pro Scout look he's a he's a panic

00:32 player versus pressure and you just can't have that but I've talked enough about Mac versus

00:35 pressure and how he actually was not that bad so I'm with you I see this game as either a turning

00:40 point where you can salvage some of the season I said the last game was must win they lost they

00:45 lost badly the season as a whole is pretty much going down the sink but or it'll be a point of

00:50 no return. Patsy DeFerrits is brought to you by FanDuel the exclusive wedger rig partner of the

00:55 CLNS Media Network. Okay recording here Thursday afternoon back in the road office Gillette Stadium

01:03 a dour place I think it's it's fair to say recording with partner Doug Kive because as I

01:07 joked last time there's no way out for him it's like the Patriots offense he is connected here

01:12 at the Herald he is stuck with me doing the podcast now almost bi-weekly but on a note about

01:17 Doug and the offense you and I published a story here today about Mac Jones the essence was

01:22 basically how did he go with of course a lot of organizational help or lack thereof in about 20

01:28 months from promising rookie quarterback face of the franchise to a guy who's completely lost bench

01:33 in two straight games six turnovers and of course we're going to cover that here as well as Sunday's

01:38 game against the Raiders which I think they can win I don't know what's wrong with me there's a

01:42 lot it's a big long list but I think they can win of course here in the Patsy DeFerrits podcast

01:46 brought to you by FanDuel the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNS Media Network so before we

01:50 spit it out break down the game three two one and make our game picks about that story as you're

01:57 gathering your reporting and I'm gathering mine what what struck you most just about the last 20

02:02 months and what we learned for this story I think just like someone put it very succinctly uh to me

02:07 where they're like yeah Mac Jones is physically limited uh struggles against pressure and makes

02:13 bad mistakes and I was just like that's a pretty brutal combination it's like well yeah it is

02:18 because I mean as everyone knows like Mac Jones the the big strength of his coming out of Alabama

02:25 was his brain what he could do pre-snap knowing the system everything but then like that'll still

02:30 kind of exist like he's a smart quarterback he can do things before the snap but then once the

02:34 ball comes to him he just panics and throws the ball to the other team and like you can't have

02:38 that if you're also a physically limited quarterback so to me that's what it all sort of

02:43 boils down to right now obviously there's much larger things here at play as well just the way

02:48 that would that the Patriots have handled their personnel you know how the offensive line has

02:51 struggled the wide receiver everything but as someone else put it to me it starts with the

02:55 quarterback it does I mean that's that's the NFL and I think it's interesting that when we speak

03:02 to people within the organization and around league circles in front offices staffers sometimes

03:06 getting player perspective about this there was a real divide like I think a lot of the people

03:11 you spoke to looked at this and said this is what Mac is and the counter to that would be this is

03:15 what Mac has always been again going back to Alabama how many times have I said on this podcast

03:20 pocket bound point guard okay you know he's not throwing outside the numbers and so someone

03:24 suggested to you that like the book kind of got out at him yeah at the end of the 21 season what

03:29 also happened at the end of that season his rookie year was a turnover in coaching and so now three

03:34 different offensive coordinators three different quarterbacks coach and I don't know how many

03:38 quarterbacks can survive in that environment let alone one that as one executive told me I don't

03:42 know what their plan was at the offensive line which we've talked about the receivers and the

03:46 separation yada yada the thing that struck me and this is almost independent of Mac but is tied into

03:51 that environment is that this front office as I very recently learned it's kind of gone away from

03:57 analytics as part of their evaluating tools which would help you with things like identifying

04:02 receivers who can separate or offensive tackles who are better in pass sets versus just what

04:08 you're seeing on the tape when you isolate exactly what they're doing and there are a lot of smart

04:11 people in this front office but that was jaw-dropping to me knowing how whether you look

04:15 at the eagles some stuff done in Kansas City or other places around the league like just to not

04:21 use some tools that are in there in the bag or have dabbled with them as I know they have was

04:25 crazy yeah I also think there's an element here that we didn't get fully get into but it's worth

04:30 exploring a little bit like Mac Jones team at Alabama was so loaded there's things that you

04:36 just can't really see from a quarterback prospect of like he's getting hit so much more now with the

04:42 Patriots and at some point if you're getting hit that often you're going to start responding

04:47 differently to pressure unless you're just a masochist back there essentially and like that's

04:52 something that you don't see when you've got five future NFL players in front of you and three future

04:57 NFL wide receivers to throw to and a you know a undrafted title like all these guys in place like

05:04 I don't know how this changes draft evaluation or anything but like when a when a guy's on a team

05:09 that's that good I'm not sure if you actually see the full picture of what the player is right

05:14 especially coming into a new system and that could go for a lot of quarterback evaluations like the

05:19 Patriots struggles in identifying talent is not unique to them we don't write this story to pile

05:24 on Mac Jones to have taken a delight in what's happened in the Patriots where these are the worst

05:27 losses back to back of the Belichick era it's just to say how did we get here and they seem to suffer

05:32 the analytics stuff aside which is just they had a group of analytics people in the building they

05:38 were here for a year or two and then left Nick Cassario around his last couple of years dabble

05:42 with this and then he leaves and is open about what he does at the Sloan Sports right analytics

05:47 conference at MIT every single year and the crafts own a sports analytics group so that's

05:51 the crazy part to me so that that part you could pin on them but the rest of this teams miss on

05:55 quarterbacks teams miss and for agent signings Johnnie Smith Juju Smith Schuster it's just this

06:01 storm that has come in along with Max reaction to some of that adversity is one person use the word

06:06 bratty to me that has led them down you know this this path where there seems to be no way out yeah

06:13 no I mean it really does and I mean I will get into that now with what this Raiders game means

06:17 for Mac and the Patriots and the offense and everything like that but I mean he's just been

06:22 so bad and yeah there were you know things behind the scenes last year too between you know Mac and

06:27 Belichick and the crafts and all these different things that play into this as well and I will say

06:31 that you know Mac right now is generally respected around yes because of the hours that he puts in

06:37 you know the fact that he is willing to he likes spending time with guys outside the facility

06:42 outside the locker room that he is friends with a lot of these guys so I think that's what makes

06:46 it a little bit more difficult for players too is that they want to and obviously they're going to

06:50 keep saying positive things to us in the media but I think that they generally believe a lot of

06:54 the things that they're saying but he's just not very good right now yeah and the lead of the story

07:00 if you haven't written it again of course we're going to encourage you to read our own work but

07:03 the essence is there were many people in that building on Monday and reaching we're reaching

07:08 out hearing from people again I don't know if you heard I was at a wedding on Sunday I haven't said

07:12 that a million times but heard from people after that game going like oh the media it were you know

07:18 you guys are going to be honest this week I'm like well yeah we all watched that game but the issue

07:22 was those same people go you know I don't think Matt can start right and he is we heard that from

07:27 Bill O'Brien Tuesday Bill Balashek confirmed it Wednesday and the reality that is it's because

07:32 they don't have any better options no and that's on Bailey's Appie and it's on Will Greer but we're

07:37 moving forward as Patriots are with Matt Jones so same start segment we typically start out with

07:42 in these game preview episodes spit it out 30 seconds what is Sunday about for the Patriots

07:47 I'm repeating the the the intro here it's about Matt Jones future as an NFL starting quarterback

07:53 really because if he's bad in this game just like he was against the Saints and like he was against

07:58 the Cowboys you have to bench him like but if he's average he's probably going to continue along this

08:02 season as the Patriots starter so you need at least average play out of Mac Jones for him to

08:07 keep starting moving forward but if he gets benched again if they get blown out again you have to put

08:12 someone else in there yeah and that was one of the quotes again from from an AFC Pro Scout look he's

08:17 a he's a panic player versus pressure and you just can't have that but I've talked enough about Mac

08:20 versus pressure and how he actually was not that bad so I'm with you I see this game as either a

08:25 turning point where you can salvage some of the season I said the last game was must win they

08:30 lost they lost badly the season as a whole is pretty much going down the sink but or it'll be

08:36 a point of no return like one in five is one in five you go on the road lose badly you're gonna

08:39 play Buffalo you're gonna play Miami I think we know how that game those games are gonna go so

08:43 it'll be one of those two a brief turning point or a point of no return all right let's get into

08:49 the week that was aside from our story aside from Mac stuff starting over has been the big theme and

08:54 we keep asking players and we keep asking Bill the point of he was the one who birthed this idea on

08:59 Sunday after the game and we asked him on Wednesday what what does that incorporate the last two days

09:03 and his answer was basically everything it's like okay I don't know I I think fans would want to

09:08 know what starting over means we've never heard him speak like this right and he says anything

09:12 that encompasses us playing better the other word that we've heard is fundamentals yeah do you take

09:16 anything away from that does that tell you what we might see on Sunday I think that starting over

09:20 means nothing like based on what everything that Bill Belichick has said and like I mean if you go

09:25 back to Mac Jones Mac Jones three weeks ago was basically talking about starting over or maybe I

09:30 don't know if it was three or two or four whatever it was but he's saying like you need to identify

09:34 the play and who the number one you know the target is on the play and where you're throwing

09:37 the ball and whether it's a run run player a pass play like those are all things that are starting

09:42 over so I don't think that this was some like come to Jesus like we're throwing everything out

09:48 opening up the depth chart like starting completely over I guess we'll see on Sunday if things look

09:52 drastically different but to me it just feels like it was just a phrase that Belichick used

09:59 that maybe he even regrets using because of how many questions he's now got about it and he was

10:04 getting a little bit yeah I feel like he's getting a little bit saltier about it throughout the week

10:09 about what the response is that he's giving but it's like you're the one who said it so what does

10:13 that mean and obviously he's not gonna spill all the beans but there's just there's only so many

10:18 things you can do and David Andrews talked a little bit about this yesterday to start over

10:24 in week six because you still have to prepare for an opponent like you still need to practice

10:29 and prepare for this game so you can't just go back to a training camp schedule in week six you

10:34 have to prepare for an opponent so I don't think you really can start over unless that means

10:38 starting over with a new quarterback which they're not doing no and snap into NFL action this season

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11:26 about this week too which had me in a pretzel as we were writing this story preparing it

11:31 and the Patriots go players are getting off Monday but they're going to come in and practice Tuesday

11:34 I'm going okay that could be the signal of a new quarterback changes to the system as far as we've

11:39 heard nothing of that sort has happened right other part about the job is you know we need to

11:44 have other reporters on alerts you know anything that happens for Madam Schaft or Ian Rapp or some

11:49 other folks on the beat you know anytime they pass gas or like we figured out it's it's on

11:55 our phones popping up and so Adam Schefter had some comments which one passes gas the most

11:58 I can't say that it's off the record it's a terrible example a joke by me moving forward

12:03 starting over here in this point Adam Schefter was a well-documented relationship with bell

12:08 Belichick suggested that the offense will look very different Sunday against the Raiders so I'm

12:12 waiting for that to happen we haven't heard anything I do have some ideas about how it could

12:17 look different and will be better against the Raiders but they're not ideas that are different

12:22 based on here's your clear plan B they're specifically tailored to this is how you

12:26 should attack the Raiders which is a game plan or changes I would say if they were three and two

12:32 or two and three right and they're a game plan team right yeah it's always going to look a little

12:36 bit different I also think that the offense is just going to look different in general because

12:40 of injuries quite honestly like Mario Douglas concussion Juju Smith-Schuster concussion almost

12:46 certainly both those guys are not playing on Sunday so you're probably going to see Taekwon

12:50 Thornton you might see Jalen Ragour you're going to see Kendrick Bourne probably playing out of

12:53 the slot you're going to see Devante Parker maybe Keishon Booty so that alone the offense is going

12:57 to look different but to this like to this point of starting over the other point that would make

13:02 is that almost all those guys have already played the snaps like they've already rotated wide

13:06 receivers and what else can you possibly do about the offensive line at this point because what

13:11 have they played like 10 offensive linemen nine something like that so it's probably going to be

13:16 a new group of offensive linemen I'm assuming Riley Reif is probably going to start somewhere

13:20 in this group yeah but that's not starting over that's just doing basically what they've done

13:24 the last four weeks out of necessity all right well let's get into it uh when the Patriots have

13:28 the ball they're going to be facing Las Vegas Raiders who are two and three they are 28th

13:33 by DVOA this is a bottom five team according to some advanced metrics that we should all trust

13:37 and love their last four games consist of a 17 to 13 win over Green Bay last Monday uh the week

13:43 before Jimmy Garoppolo's concuss Aiden O'Connell fourth-round rookie at a Purdue starts they lose

13:48 17 to 24 against the Chargers the week before that they lose another one score game Sunday night

13:54 against Pittsburgh 18 to 23 and the week before that week to go to Buffalo get housed 38 to 10

14:00 that ball is one point win over Denver and their season opener so last week with Mike Giardi I

14:04 described the Saints game as like a Spider-Man meme bowl you know you're looking at the Saints

14:08 they want to play the same way they're built similarly and I and speaking with some people

14:12 this week again for that Mac story around the league they're like you know the Raiders could

14:16 win right it's hard but try telling that to people around here not just me because again I see a

14:22 pathway you mean the Patriots could win the Patriots could win yes yes because they are 27

14:26 by DVOA the you know yeah that is BFF is higher on the Raiders but neither of these teams have

14:33 scored more than 20 points the Raiders haven't even gotten to 20 points you have a turnover

14:37 prone quarterback defensively they want to play man coverage Patrick Graham defensive coordinator

14:41 for the Ravers came from New England and carried that system around with him but they can't play

14:46 a ton of man do a lot of you know poor players in their secondary so when the Patriots have the ball

14:51 and they're 28th on DVOA and the Raiders are 24th on defense let's skip the Mac Jones numbers like

14:58 he was drastically worse against the Raiders last year and I don't know if that was a flash in the

15:05 pan they only got pressure on him about 20 percent of the time but again this is a defense it's bad

15:09 against tight ends and I would just tell him throw away is not a bad play in this game right because

15:15 that that's the whole starting point is the turnovers like opponents have scored 22 points

15:19 thanks to you and you've scored just three so that that's where I start here yeah I mean I think that

15:26 it is kind of a Spider-Man meme game except I think the Patriots have a more talented defense

15:32 overall maybe than the Raiders but the Patriots don't have Max Crosby coming off the edge so

15:36 that's obviously a big point towards the Raiders but I would say that you know if the Raiders

15:42 defense looks a lot like what the Patriots were showing this summer in training camp probably a

15:49 bad thing for Mac Jones in this Patriots offense because Mac Jones the Patriots offense was under

15:53 siege from the Patriots defense all in training camp and someone actually asked me a mailbag

15:58 question about this of like why didn't the Patriots know that their offense was going to

16:01 struggle based on what they saw in training camp and there's two points there one is that no one

16:07 can actually sack the quarterback in training camp so you're still kind of seeing you don't

16:10 totally see what everything's going to look like if it's not a full contact practice the other

16:14 thing is that the Patriots were hoping that the offensive line was going to get healthy and that

16:18 a lot of that pressure would be fixed the offensive offensive line has kind of gotten healthy and it

16:22 still hasn't helped so I don't know I could actually see a pretty similar game to what

16:27 Mac Jones had last year where he is going to be taking a lot of sacks he is going to have to throw

16:32 the ball away and yeah he's just not he can't have the same as someone put it to me dumb mistakes

16:39 against the Raiders they did against the Saints and Cowboys otherwise this could be another 31

16:44 to nothing or whatever it is games as Patriots are losing so I don't think that this is a tough game

16:50 for Mac Jones to fully rebound I think it's the Raiders based on what they showed last year

16:55 what the what the Raiders run on defense and just how familiar Josh McDaniels is with Mac Jones

17:00 he's the man who built him up right and now last year as I just said drastically

17:04 worse that season in a really difficult year for Mac Jones the whole offense

17:08 against the Raiders he was 13 to 31 for 112 yards but in retrospect the most important number was

17:15 zero for turnovers because that game ended as we all remember you know Jacoby Myers lateral from

17:21 Ron Mondry Stevenson Jacoby Myers lateral to Chandler Jones back the other way before then

17:25 that was a 24-24 game and Mac footwork was a mess he was 7 of 23 over the last three quarters over

17:32 the middle of the field completed 30 of his passes and had a bunch of overthrows so some of that I

17:39 see is like the McDaniels knows him but those are fundamental errors you can correct and he talked

17:43 about it this week well my feet are pointed in the right place which were off from the start of the

17:47 Saints game and my eyes are looking at the right target like things go pretty well but as you

17:52 mentioned that's also something he said two or three weeks ago aside from that I already said

17:57 this but I think if you give him a focus of just look we're going to have half field reads if it's

18:02 not their throwaway a throwaway is not a bad play in this game because again the Raiders have not

18:06 scored more than 20 points all season so you don't need to get to 24 or 27 or 30 to win this game

18:13 the other thing I think they can do is hone his focus like I mentioned half field reads he's still

18:19 a top 12 quarterback by EPA believe this or not over the middle of the field that's ahead of

18:24 Patrick Mahomes I don't understand how that works I trust EPA with not my life but like you know a

18:31 very distant relative and the other idea is just to get him in more play action which I think you'll

18:36 need to set up with the run which there's not a statistical correlation but like the Raiders need

18:40 to respect it because Mac off of play action 69 this season 7.6 yards per attempt and a passer

18:45 rating of about 100 yeah I mean someone pointed this out to me last week against the Saints

18:49 Patriots start off with what like a seven or eight yard run and then two passes and they go three now

18:55 it's like that would have been a good opportunity for them to maybe establish that run like go with

19:00 what worked on first down like try to pick up those extra two or three yards on the ground

19:05 try to move down the field eat up some clock but they go back to the passing game and it doesn't

19:09 work so I do think that there is something there uh with trying to run the ball as much as you can

19:13 against the Raiders like you said simplify the offense a little bit um maybe not the greatest

19:18 week to do that because I'm not sure if you really want to simplify an offense against Patrick Graham

19:22 and the Raiders who who know you so well but I mean like a lot of those things that were working

19:26 for Mac Jones when he was a rookie and for Bailey's happy last year and his two starts like the play

19:32 action and simplifying things and scheming things up like the Patriots have shown in the past that

19:38 those things can work so I think that that's almost maybe what you have to go back to basics on

19:43 start over and just simplify things down to down to the fundamentals on offense and and just keep

19:48 this thing as simple as possible and just pray that Mac Jones doesn't decide to throw the ball

19:53 away to the other team or pray that Jacoby Myers does throw the ball to the opposing team and maybe

19:59 like Kyle Duggar can catch an error lateral from Jacobi Myers. Can you imagine and I don't care if

20:04 he completes this I just want it somewhere in Josh McDaniel's play sheet that it's a double pass and

20:08 Jacobi Myers is the one throwing the second because there's just a certain F you in there

20:12 where he came from the F.S. school. Yeah he does for his career as we've seen you mentioned the

20:18 receivers Juju Smith-Hooster, Pop Douglas missed their second state practice today Thursday the

20:23 team is leaving tomorrow so it looks highly unlikely either of them is going to be available

20:27 frankly in the Juju front I don't care right now but this offense just given his lack of production

20:32 6.1 yards for 6.1 is a target or catch her catch. His routes are rounded yeah they're poor even when

20:43 he's the designed rub player on these kind of pick route and combinations he's not getting there

20:48 so having him off the field frankly just might be an upgrade because I reported and we talked

20:52 about here in this podcast they didn't see him as a top five pass catcher right after week one.

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22:24 i'd call that a winning bet pop douglas is another issue but taekwon thorn is going to step in yeah

22:31 he caught 22 of 45 targets last year it was a disappointing year yeah what what can you expect

22:37 from him on sunday even if maybe there's some addition by subtraction than juju i i i hate to

22:42 do this because like ideally taekwon thorn would be this like high upside promising player but

22:48 we saw so much of him last year and he barely did anything i mean he he was he had he played

22:54 like 51 of snaps or something more than kettering point went up with less than 300 yards so like

22:59 that's just not good and i think that he can stretch the field i think that he can add a

23:03 speed element but i don't know if the raiders necessarily need to respect it because he's had

23:08 drop issues he gets hurt all the time like he he's he's a very thin frail type of wide receiver so i

23:14 think that you can bully him at the line pretty well i don't think he's gonna be playing like

23:18 on the line of scrimmage is an extra wide receiver so that helps him a little bit get

23:22 off the line of scrimmage but i'm just not expecting that much i think the most interesting

23:26 thing about this week if juju and demario douglas as we expect are out of this game

23:32 is that someone else has to step up in the slot i don't think that's gonna be taekwon thorn because

23:35 he's not that type of player devante parker is your x y receiver they don't really have that

23:40 third slot guy like demario douglas is the backup to juju smith schuster so i think you see kendrick

23:45 born step in the slot and maybe you know maybe that connection between mac and kendrick born

23:51 finally pays off here they work him into some slants like he's not he's not demario douglas

23:56 and his ability to get open and man coverage or make plays after the catch but i think that he can

24:01 be you know he can be a chain mover in the slot if he needs to be so i think that that will help a

24:06 little bit uh but yeah we'll probably see a lot more of taekwon thorn um keyshawn booty might get

24:12 some snaps in this game i'm interested to see if jalen ray or gets uh put in the mix as well because

24:16 someone else has to play wide receiver and uh the patriots were pleased with him practicing early in

24:21 the season here's to see if now these injuries actually get him into the mix and like i don't

24:26 know do they shock us and have jalen rigor play more than taekwon thorn like that that's something

24:31 that i'm not like i haven't heard that or anything like that but that wouldn't necessarily shock me

24:35 you know he's actually been practicing two things one is last year when taekwon thorn came back from

24:41 that collarbone injury played week five against alliance same thing started on ir came back he

24:46 didn't have a single padded practice that week and came in and they threw him into the fire that

24:50 was either they don't care or they believe in him that much and he went and played the second thing

24:54 is have i been saying jalen rager's name incorrectly this whole time no i might be

24:57 jalen ray gore belongs in the game of thrones like just on your way down the king's road is

25:04 the ray gore jalen yeah oh it's an o at the end so that throws it a little bit yeah yeah i've been

25:09 teaching olivia how to read and like the english language is broken yeah she's like she's like

25:15 trying to sound out words and i'm like no that's a long a no that's a short like and i'm just like

25:19 how would she know she's six like how would she know that it's an a or an r it's that's beside

25:25 the point yeah it's frustrating um to your point about who's going to play the slot i think the

25:30 answer is going to be a tight end i think it's going to be like a sickie and part of this is

25:35 again i'd laid out hey i think there are things the patriots can do um more play action keep mac

25:40 over the middle of the field i think they're going to bulk the hell up for this game and the way and

25:44 play a ton of two back ton of two tight end sets sometimes even combine them into play 22 personnel

25:50 because you look at their game last year just about half their snaps featured either multiple

25:53 backs or multiple tight ends and eight of their first 11 plays were just that we're going to come

25:58 in and pull you over and a lot of that was the running game okay and when you look at the raiders

26:02 defense like you know mike gosicki is not a run blocker but he is someone who can a relative to

26:08 his teammates winning against man coverage which the raiders want to do and he plays tight end a

26:12 position that the raiders rank in the bottom 12 in the league by dva at defending so whether you're

26:18 bulking up to run and he split out a little bit where he comes down and cracks on you know the

26:22 defensive end or he's sift blocking on the inside zone and going opposite the flow of the block

26:26 because he's going to get the backside guy who can't chase around he's just going to get in his

26:30 way he has a real function in this game specific to multiple backs i would love to see remandre

26:35 and zeke on the field at the same time because the raiders are allowing 5.2 yards per carry

26:40 to teams that use multiple backs on the same set this year and the patriots can run in the middle

26:46 they're actually about league average when going between the tackles it's when they go outside

26:50 and they have these weird pulling pin and pull plays where trent brown's on the move they're

26:54 getting nowhere because badarian lows on the other side and they can't block that's what i think they

26:58 need to do is a lot of these drives are going to result in puns but we're going to keep pounding

27:02 away at the middle because this is the bad raiders run defense we're going to do with multiple tight

27:06 ends and belch had called them one of the best in the league this year i don't know what numbers

27:09 support that it's not yards they're bottom by 12 by dva epa success rate total yards like just vibes

27:17 yeah yeah just just and i just think they're going to play that kind of drag this game into the bud

27:23 and mac again a throwaway is not a bad play right and that's the whole gameplay yeah no i think that

27:28 yeah maybe get creative a little bit um kendrick bourne getting some carries yeah jillen regular

27:33 regular maybe maybe get him some carries out some break or yes use his speed uh because i mean

27:39 he ran like a four four seven but uh one of the things i heard about him is that he's just like

27:43 incredibly fast in practice it might not be able to catch the ball but like

27:46 might be able to carry the ball a little bit more motion yeah you know the patriots have struggled

27:51 defensively and let's jump to their defense here after i finish this point with plays in motion

27:56 their bottom 10 league and drunk plays that have motion at the snap and it forces communication

28:00 it's a little bit difficult so i can see kendrick bourne getting emotion taking the end rounds or

28:04 jillen regular uh being there so when the raiders have the ball patriots are 12th on defense by dva

28:11 the raiders are 31st that's second worst in the league folks and it's because they are second

28:15 worst passing and they are 29th by the run jimmy g has seven picks this year he has a 68.8 completion

28:22 percentage 917 yards and six touchdowns and the patriots are looking at thank you thank god because

28:30 they have two turnovers and that is the worst in the entire league is this the week they get their

28:36 third takeaway i want to say yes oh please say yes you are so down on the offense and rightfully so

28:42 they're not doing it it has to be it just simply asked me i do think that getting jc jackson back

28:50 helps because he is a ball hawk he is always near the ball he he takes good chances so i do think

28:55 they will it's just it's been kind of mind-blowing to see how few turnovers they've gotten this

29:01 season because they're usually i think near the top of the league in turnovers yeah um or takeaways

29:06 i should say on defense so no i think that getting jc jackson back helps and getting jonathan jones

29:12 back in the mix i think helps as well maybe not even so much on interceptions but he's pretty

29:16 good at punching that ball out sometimes on some forced fumbles so i think they kind of like if

29:22 the offense is as bad as it is which it is i think that maybe you have to take a few more chances on

29:28 defense to try to get some takeaways to to get your offense in an advantageous position field

29:35 position wise so yeah i think i think jimmy's good for for one or two turnovers in this game

29:41 and the way to do it has been evident i think for years uh dating back to when he was starting out

29:46 in san francisco it's pressure yeah he and tarik carr to bring back the spider-man meme are looking

29:51 at each other and going hey you're making 15 more million dollars for my old team because derrick

29:55 cars in new orleans making 40 a year jimmy's making 25 for the raiders and he is the third

30:00 worst quarterback under pressure this season according to football focus a 36 completion

30:05 percentage zero touchdowns and four picks so brian or brian belichick steve belichick last

30:11 year in his head to have matchup with josh mcdaniel's through mcdaniel's through the sink

30:15 adam okay we'll go six offensive linemen we'll go multiple tight ends and we'll spread the field

30:19 and go empty like they absorbed that initial script and then steve belichick spun the dial

30:24 at josh more than you saw in any game last year except for maybe the first buffalo game zone

30:28 pressures three-man rushes sim pressures you know all-out blitzes i think you do the same thing to

30:34 jimmy yeah i mean the the tricky part is to not have obviously matthew judo in this game and i

30:40 thought i know you did as well i thought this was going to be like the highest potential patriot

30:45 pass rush that we had seen maybe like i don't know since the dante high tower those types of

30:50 days a lot of bad takes to start the season and just like it hasn't come to fruition so far this

30:54 season and one big factor is that kian white hasn't been as consistent as you would like to

30:59 see him as a pass rusher josh josh uche is still bringing pressure but he can't be the only one

31:04 doing it detrich wise hasn't been that productive so i think this is a big game actually for kian

31:09 white to bring some pressure uh for from defensive end because if it's not him it's probably not

31:15 going to be and for you jennings it's probably not going to be john lining to buy like these

31:17 other guys who play on the edge or more run defense players so that's the thing that scares

31:22 me a little bit i do think that there are ways to get pressure from defensive backs though

31:26 um if they do want to go with some all-out blitzes or some you know safety blitzes or

31:31 corner blitzes because miles brian is actually a pretty good blitzer johnson jones has been a

31:35 pretty good blitzer in the past kyle duggar can rush the passer like they do have adrian phillips

31:39 is a guy who could rush the pass in the past i think that if you are mixing things up like that

31:43 uh then you can get pressure after jimmy garoppolo but if you're doing it for more

31:48 traditional manner the patriots just have not been very good at bringing pressure this season

31:52 yeah and they bought they brought a lot of pressure and they didn't get a single sack

31:55 bringing pressure at derrick carr last week again knowing he would melt eventually and he just didn't

31:59 because they didn't get home uh and part of that was a four-man rush but i look at this game and

32:03 let's say okay they damn it up like josh is ahead they've got max protect whatever the case is jimmy

32:08 standing in the pocket i can tell you he's going to one of three guys devontae adams hall of fame

32:12 receivers belichick said this week old friend jacoby myers talked a lot about him this week

32:16 in other places let's skip over that and josh jacobs because no other raiders player has more

32:21 than six catches on this roster so that's easy to say just cover these three guys but it's a little

32:28 harder when those three are devontae adams jacoby myers and josh jacobs how would you handle the

32:32 raiders from a coverage plan understanding again this is the second worst passing offense in the

32:36 league but the talent says they're going to come around eventually i mean i think what they will

32:40 do is focus most of their attention on devontae adams just because that's what bill belichick

32:45 typically does tries to take away the best player and that could actually mean a pretty big game for

32:49 jacoby myers which wouldn't be great from an optics perspective but i think that that is

32:53 probably the way to win this game is to take devontae adams a lot more seriously um than

32:58 jacoby myers so i think that's what i would probably do maybe stick you know test jc jackson

33:04 see how he can do against devontae adams mix in some double teams as well because obviously

33:08 you're not going to double team him on every single snap um yeah i mean that's probably the

33:13 way that would do it and then i think you can trust like hunter hunter renfrow has been so

33:18 unproductive over the last couple seasons that i don't think that you really necessarily fear

33:22 miles bryant being able to cover hunter renfrow out of the slot in this game uh so i guess i

33:27 would probably leave you know jonathan jones or you know as as covering jacoby myers and

33:32 i don't know i'm kind of curious to see how that matchup would look because it's probably not one

33:36 that we even saw that often um i guess we saw pretty often in training camp with those guys

33:41 matched up in the slot not sure off the top of my head who won that more often but yeah i think

33:46 that's probably the way that would handle it um i don't know like could the raiders just give the

33:50 patriots hunter renfrow for this game they need a slot receiver like just like let him like wear

33:55 number 13 on the patriots for one game and and then like give them back to the raiders or maybe

34:00 just trade them to the patriots in general because the patriots could probably use someone like

34:03 hunter renfrow right now and the raiders aren't using him so you know again we could talk more

34:07 about josh jacobs and bellichick called him a top five running back in the entire league going into

34:12 this but their offensive line isn't very good you've heard me say this before rushing success

34:15 is a function of blocking and defensive box count so the running back is a guy we all watch it's not

34:20 actually all on him whether he gains a ton of yards or not so i don't really care about josh

34:23 jacobs in this game what you're great to say when he has over 20 catches but i would think most of

34:28 those catches are a function of jimmy being under pressure yeah and looking for check downs or

34:31 their screens so really i focus my attention on adams and myers and i say to jonathan jones you

34:37 are going to shadow jacoby myers this entire game you're giving up a couple of inches but he's not

34:41 someone who's a threat after the catch now you understand how to play against bigger receivers

34:45 stick with him and then shadow or double flat out davante adams because jc jackson is not 100

34:51 he was spotted icing his knee in the locker room after tuesday's practice a walkthrough so you need

34:56 to help and that other side and davante adams is banged up too he had a shoulder injury he had

35:00 a okay game on monday night i just think that's the most straightforward plan and this is a defense

35:05 where i talked about communication they're missing tackles they're not communicating as well keep a

35:10 simple plan and just say you have to beat us some other way yeah no no i agree with that and yeah i

35:15 think that that's yeah jonathan jones jacoby myers interesting matchup because it's like speed

35:20 against a slower wide receiver size against a smaller cornerback but i don't i don't hate

35:24 jonathan jones in that matchup no punching ball but i would bet there are some nights you don't

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36:41 just click x factor i'm gonna go with juan bentley i just said i don't care about josh jacobs i'm

36:46 gonna walk that back uh just a little bit and juan bentley had a sack last year against the

36:51 raiders he's involved in a lot of those sim pressures which are basically four-man rushes

36:56 one of the someone on the defensive line drops out and you replace him with a fourth rusher

36:59 typically linebacker safety john belly needs to get through up the middle like he did in that

37:04 opening drive against saints and get a sack and he'll be isolated a lot on josh jacobs probably

37:09 in coverage and he needs to limit those yards after the catch run after catch and i don't know

37:14 if he can do it because the patriots are 25th past defense against running backs and that starts with

37:19 him it's never been a strength of his game but they've done a better job mitigating and as a guy

37:23 who's a captain you're leading tackler someone who's going to be used a lot past our situations

37:27 he's got to have a big game on sunday yeah it's really never been a strength of the patriots

37:30 defense and say like those like bigger slower linebackers in general but never really hurt

37:34 them that much in the past uh x factor for me would be jc jackson uh just see what that knee

37:40 looks like see how effective he can be see if you can play a near full share of snaps in this game

37:46 uh because if it's not him and if he's only playing 30 to 50 percent of snaps then you probably see

37:53 sean wade against devontae adams with help and like i said you don't oh you can't always provide

37:58 help on a player um so then that would maybe force you to shift some things around so i do think that

38:04 jc jackson his health his ability to to take away the ball is all key in this game all right well

38:09 let's get to the keys three keys two matchups one wild card three two one breakdown always on the

38:14 podcast we haven't talked about max crosby yet he's coming for the folks who are screaming going

38:18 like how do you handle him when your offensive line stinks um is he in either one of your keys

38:24 uh no no okay yes all right we'll keep waiting yeah yeah we will get to it yeah um yeah so one

38:31 of my keys is we talked about earlier is just forcing takeaways like forcing turnovers to

38:37 against jimmy garoppolo as i mentioned i think jc jackson's gonna be a big part of that like you

38:42 said you have to get a lot of pressure against jimmy garoppolo but there's definitely ways

38:45 that you can force mistakes out of jimmy garoppolo patriots steve belichick bill belichick they all

38:52 know jimmy garoppolo about as well as anyone uh he was in the building for three and a half years so

38:56 if anyone can force mistakes out of him then it would be the patriots um and but no i mean you

39:02 need to you need to figure out what is not working right now as far as taking the ball away and you

39:07 need to fix that very fast and i think that the inclusion of jc jackson in this this defense

39:13 certainly helps all right i have written down winning on first down and you know it's just it's

39:19 not going to be enough you got to go bigger you need to win the first half yeah and because you

39:23 look back at the game last year and the raiders get ahead early kyle dugger gets that pick six

39:27 in the third quarter just jump starts them to life like you're back in the game um that you

39:31 really shouldn't have been statistically you know we can go back on max numbers 13 to 31 112 yards

39:37 so you need to put this game on your terms because you cannot ground them into dust

39:41 drag this game into the buck if the raiders are off and running with an opening drive touchdown

39:45 or they're up 10 to nothing like the patriots you know three of their first opponents have been um

39:50 after their first two drives you need to win the first half or at worst going to halftime um with

39:55 with the time yeah i my my third key is just that mac jones needs to play within his limits like and

40:02 i i don't even think last week was him not playing within his limits because and that throw to tyra

40:07 matthew was just him doing something dumb quite often quite all quite honestly but against the

40:14 cowboys when he's trying to throw you know across the hat like across the field it's just he can't

40:21 do that he's not physically capable of doing that so he needs to play within his limits um and

40:27 obviously avoid turnovers like he had against the saints but he needs to avoid those risky throws

40:31 the audience cowboys as well they're trying to force the ball into tight windows or throwing

40:35 across the field it's just not his strength so he has to avoid it all right max crosby time

40:40 two matchups um max crosby versus vaderian low like and this is a matchup a mismatch up uh for

40:46 the patriots obviously where low is allowing pressure and about 15 of his past blocking

40:50 snaps horrendous picket you can't have that you want to have about a fifth of that for any offensive

40:54 tackle in the nfl and this is not as simple like we talked about actually here two weeks ago like

41:00 with michael parsons run at him go no huddle double team him chip him you need to do everything

41:06 he had a sack he had four tfls against the packers on monday night this is a relentless player and so

41:13 part of it is going to be scheming quick game part of it is going to be screens all the things i just

41:17 mentioned because you cannot afford to leave low out there one on one i don't know more than a

41:22 handful of times in this game and when you do you need to have something in the route concept

41:27 and the timing of the play to make sure that mac can get rid of the ball because crosby's going to

41:31 get there he's going to get in the backfield you just have to minimize the damage in a way that

41:35 honestly like mac did early against cowboys until the strip sack and everything fell apart

41:39 but crosby is going to keep coming in a way that you're not going to see really for many players

41:43 in the league where there are a lot of people like him but he he just it's not even like a white guy

41:47 cliche thing like he's not bringing his lunch pail he is just in a rare way type of relentless

41:53 yeah and i'm actually curious i mean obviously we would expect vaderian low to start this game but

41:59 i'm not sure if we've really gotten a good look at the offensive line that's true nation in practice

42:02 okay right tackle like right no no absolutely not trying to like like no i don't have a point here

42:07 uh but i i just want to bring up that like maybe we do see a different offensive line combination

42:12 and if michael wenu and if cole strange can start guard this week then maybe you see riley reef

42:17 start at right tackle just because what they've been doing out there hasn't worked so far but like

42:21 no matter who it is it's a mismatch for the raiders that they can exploit um i we talked

42:26 about a bunch but jc jackson devante adams that's a match that i'm watching and like we all like

42:31 we mentioned like there's going to be a lot of double teams i think you have to to give jc jackson

42:35 a lot of help but i mean if he can win that matchup even with just one turnover like if he lets up 70

42:41 yards but has an interception i still feel like that's kind of a win that's a win for jc jackson

42:45 even if you're letting up 80 90 whatever it is 100 yeah if you can get the interception if you

42:49 can flip the field at some point then that would be huge all right wild card what do you got

42:53 wild card for me so i'm not sure if i'm actually going to this game like not to not to make light

42:59 of this but like but my daughter this is the best part of the podcast yeah he's he's in the hospital

43:04 but she should be coming home soon so if she comes home on friday i'm probably not making it out to

43:08 las vegas if she's supposed to come home for the weekend i might not be making it to las vegas like

43:13 if she said to come home on monday or tuesday i'll probably go to las vegas but yeah that's my

43:17 wild card right now it's that like you are the one i think i'm going at this point but i really

43:22 have no idea i'm like 50 50 um yeah so that's that's that's what i'm facing right now um i can't

43:29 say it i i basically banned myself from talking about this because i explained many times that

43:33 i was missing the game on sunday for that reason i'm also missing this game on the road because of

43:38 another uh event uh but this time i am officiating that event is one of my closest friends i i don't

43:43 know how much longer i can be friends with them when they book these weddings i'll just say it

43:47 in football season i have another friend that just got engaged and they're tentatively looking

43:50 at november 2nd next year if that is not the bi-week i might be questionable for that wedding

43:55 uh but if i was going i would tell you how wonderful this freaking stadium is i still haven't

44:00 been this is it is insane the atmosphere um all the amenities the accessibility yes it looks like

44:07 the death star okay but if this was actually the death star in star wars i would have converted

44:12 from the valley into the empire in a second because i would live here it's an amazing stadium

44:18 so the ticket prices to fly out of logan are absolutely insane wherever you might live to

44:22 get to vegas for a game and especially a patriots game it might be worth it i have family friends

44:27 who did this last year and one of them was a raider fan um and they had a spectacular time

44:32 walking distance to the strip the stadium is unbelievable the food is cheap they even have

44:36 um what's the subway shop over here we always used to go or the capriotti capriotti capriotti's is

44:42 in this state which i thought was the local chain lo and behold we are getting the wildest wild

44:46 cards here getting the sub talk um but anyway if you have a chance go to elision stadium it is a

44:52 wonderful place and obviously las vegas doesn't suck either absolutely okay game pick what do you

44:56 got um i have the raiders winning this one i'm gonna go with like it's gonna be a low scoring

45:02 affair i would honestly say 13 10 maybe like like real low well the spread is three yeah raiders

45:11 minus three i like the under even though it's like 41 uh i mean it's hit two though yeah basically

45:19 the last three games i think i'd like to see the patriots score one touchdown before i predict them

45:23 scoring more than one touchdown um they didn't get into the red zone last week against the saints

45:29 right um no and then their only scoring opportunity was 48 yard miss by chad ryland so

45:36 i'm predicting one touchdown for the patriots i am as well yeah um but i have raiders 23 13

45:43 and this is you know i think the patriots can't grind this out i think you'll see a much cleaner

45:46 game okay when you go to fundamentals and the whole theme of the week is like abcs and stop

45:51 at the third letter um you know i i think they'll have a better chance of getting out of there with

45:56 any trouble so uh but yeah i tell they need to show i i wrote this two weeks ago like i don't

46:02 know how you could just blindly believe in the patriots as they are right now but i do think

46:06 it will be better i just can't predict the win anymore because i did last week and man the egg

46:09 is still dripping off my face so he is doug kyd i'm major callahan thank you again for listening

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46:17 how quickly i speak i am not sorry for finalizing that way i hope you have a much more enjoyable

46:24 sunday that we have more fun and clean and exciting football to come patrons will be on

46:28 the road to vegas 425 kickoff turning point or a point of no return we will find out version

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