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OMS : risque faible d'épidémie de peste en Sibérie, drones coulent des navires au large de la Roumanie et de la Bulgarie, l'UE prépare ses plus lourdes sanctions contre la Russie depuis 2022.

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02:29Yes.
02:30People are worried they can escape from the lab, right?
02:32We have now people, a population that has been trained in microbiology for a couple of years.
02:36They're more interested in everything that has to do with microbes.
02:40And of course, they're going to be attuned to these stories and be worried.
02:44So what should the EU be doing this morning?
02:45What would you be advising EU officials as they sit down this morning?
02:48Try to get as much information as they can.
02:51That's what they're doing, WHO is doing, the Trump administration is doing this.
02:55Everybody is asking questions to the Russian government.
02:58They're probably not going to answer it truthfully, I guess.
03:01But then with every day that passes, when no secondary cases appear,
03:06and if they would appear, it probably would be known,
03:09we can be more certain that this is either a non-incident or something very small and under control.
03:16OK, so that's some relief, I guess, for our viewers this morning.
03:19But what about COVID? COVID seems to be back.
03:21Many people have COVID.
03:22Should we all be going out getting boosters?
03:24Should we be isolating if we get COVID?
03:26No. During the summer months, there was very little COVID.
03:31And I even thought, OK, maybe it's disappearing.
03:33It has not disappeared.
03:35It is back, but it is back under the mild form, milder form of Omicron.
03:40That is the type of SARS-CoV-2 that causes COVID that is disappearing now.
03:45Everywhere in Europe.
03:48But we have antibodies against it.
03:50This is extremely contagious, which means that all of us have had it probably multiple times.
03:55And many of us, they have received vaccines in the past years.
04:01So we're doing OK against Omicron.
04:04So this might be the period of the year, as it is for many other respiratory viruses,
04:10that they appear and then they will reach a peak and go away again.
04:14But nothing, there is really no evidence at all that this will be 2020 or 2021 revisited.
04:23This is not going to happen.
04:25This will be a mild epidemic at best.
04:28OK, lots of good news this morning from Mark.
04:29Ron Rance, thank you so much for joining us here in the studio.
04:32But now, moving on today marks three years since the October 7th attacks by Hamas,
04:37a day that shocked Israel and the world.
04:40Meanwhile, the war on Hamas in Gaza continues to produce a human tragedy with thousands dead
04:44and no clear path to peace.
04:47At the parliament in Strasbourg, tensions erupted with one French MEP of Palestinian and Kurdish
04:53origin accused of kicking an Israeli flag to the ground.
04:56Rima Hassan denies throwing the flag and says she actually just removed it from its stand.
05:02Taking to X, she said,
05:04my gesture is part of the denunciation of the ongoing genocide,
05:07of violations of international law and of this incessant and unbearable double standard.
05:12She said a Russian flag would never be admitted.
05:16After that instant, Israel's ambassador to France, that's Joshua Zarca,
05:19told our Europe editor, Maria Tadeo,
05:21that the episode reflects rising anti-Semitism in France.
05:25I cannot understand how a person that aims to be a politician,
05:30that aims to represent the public,
05:32can be so violent and disrespectful of the death of thousands of people
05:37that has been caused by the same cause that she's trying to help.
05:43The head of the European Parliament is saying this is unacceptable
05:46and she takes this extremely serious.
05:48From your part as the Israeli ambassador to France,
05:51will you ask for the European Parliament to put forward more sanctions?
05:56Will you ask the French government to take action once the details are clarified?
06:02You know, Mrs. Rima Hassan, the member of Parliament that kicked down the flags,
06:07is accused of support to terrorism.
06:10She is supposed to appear before court in the next few days.
06:15This is a person that has been extremely active in her anti-Zionism and her anti-Semitism
06:22in the support of terrorism.
06:23She openly supports Hamas.
06:26She openly supports what Hamas did on October 7th.
06:30This is a terrible person.
06:31Let's be clear.
06:32And I think that she's perceived to be a terrible person by the largest part of the French politics.
06:39So it's not that I need to convince anybody that that's the case.
06:44And she's also supporting openly terrorism in her statements
06:49and in the support that she gave to terrorist acts that took place in Israel in the past.
06:54So she's a terrible person.
06:56Let's be clear about that.
06:57I do want to clarify, there is an ongoing legal process, but she has denied.
07:02She supported or expressed an apology of terrorism.
07:05Of course, that case will continue its path.
07:07But specifically, though, given that this incident took place in the European Parliament in Strasbourg,
07:12will you escalate this matter to French authorities?
07:15Will you ask for this to be investigated as hate, anti-Semitism?
07:20This is an issue that has been dealt with by the European Parliament.
07:25In our division of Labour, our embassy to Brussels, the embassy to the European Union,
07:31is the one in charge of following this issue.
07:34And to the best of my understanding, there is a very close dialogue
07:38between our embassy and the president of the European Parliament concerning this issue
07:44with the purpose of making sure that something like that will never happen again
07:47and that Mrs. Rima Hassan faces the charges she needs to face.
07:51But you say all anti-Semitism is unacceptable.
07:54I have to ask you about the allegations that have appeared in the French press
07:58that Jordan Bardella, the right-hand man of Marine Le Pen,
08:01made anti-Semitic comments when he was 17.
08:03Some of these comments include, the Jews control all the banks.
08:08Do you see that also as equally worrying?
08:10Of course. Any type of anti-Semitism, any statement, any type of statement, act,
08:17anyway, is unacceptable and is comprehensible.
08:20Now, the question is, as you said, these are allegations and we are following very closely.
08:25And we will make or we will react to it once it is clear that these allegations are true
08:32or if not, then we react otherwise.
08:34For the time being, we will reserve our response.
08:38We have an issue. There is an issue of anti-Semitism in France.
08:41There is an issue of anti-Semitism in Europe.
08:44Unfortunately, the rise of anti-Semitism has happened significantly after October 7th.
08:50But there is one party who is openly, in France, openly anti-Semitic, and that's LFI.
08:57And the leader of that party, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, is scoping the mimics of leaders that were active in Europe
09:08in the 30s of the last centuries.
09:10So are you making a comparison also to Nazism and Hitler?
09:13Would you say that this gentleman acts like Hitler did in the 30s?
09:17I've said that publicly in the past already, yes.
09:22Now moving on to the Black Sea, which has become a battlefield of late,
09:27with drone incursions off both Romania and Bulgaria's coast, resulting in fiery blazes, sunken ships and loss of life.
09:34For more, we can bring in now our defence correspondent, Angela Scudgens.
09:37Good morning, Angela. Just tell us more about the recent instance.
09:40Yes, good morning, Maeve. So the latest incursion that we saw occurred yesterday, roughly 130 kilometres off Bulgaria's coast in
09:48the early hours.
09:49Two commercial vessels were attacked by sea and aerial drones.
09:53One suffered significant damage and sank on the spot.
09:57The other caught fire.
09:58Thankfully, no one was significantly injured and no one died in this incursion.
10:03Now, Bulgaria, of course, is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, as well as the European Union.
10:08The European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen came out with strong words yesterday,
10:13stating that Brussels stands in support with countries on Europe's eastern flank
10:17and attacks on civilian shipping are simply unacceptable.
10:22We also heard similar rhetoric coming out of Sofia from Bulgaria's Prime Minister Ruman Radov.
10:27He didn't mince words when he decried this incident that occurred yesterday following an emergency meeting.
10:34Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
10:41This is an absolutely unacceptable attack within Bulgaria's exclusive economic zone.
10:48It is a flagrant violation of international law and maritime norms,
10:53further disrupting shipping in the Black Sea,
10:57driving insurance costs even higher,
10:59and making navigation increasingly difficult.
11:07The thing is, this is not the first incursion, right?
11:12Certainly not.
11:13And not only is it the first, not the first incursion in the Black Sea,
11:16but also along Europe's eastern flank.
11:18Now, we've got a little map here.
11:20Let's take a look.
11:21There have been three major incursions of late.
11:24Of course, there was this recent incident in Bulgaria.
11:26The day before that, on Monday,
11:28we saw an incident off Romania's coast.
11:30And on the 20th of August, there was a similar incident off Romania's coast once again.
11:36But let's take a look at Monday because this was a significant escalation when it comes to alleged hybrid warfare,
11:41if we can even call it that anymore.
11:43A cargo ship carrying Ukrainian grain operated by Turkish authorities caught fire,
11:50was attacked by drones and sank.
11:52As a result, two people died in this incursion and scores were injured.
11:57Of course, there was that other incident on the 20th of August in Romania too,
12:01where an explosive-laden drone was shot down by fighter jets.
12:05Now, this really shows an escalation of behaviour and a pattern,
12:09but we also need to look at blame.
12:11So Romania has been quite clear in attributing blame to Moscow,
12:15but they've stated that these are merely what happens
12:18as a by-product of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
12:21The rhetoric has been significantly toned down to what we saw in Berlin with that Leipzig drone incident.
12:27However, Bulgaria hasn't said the same things when it comes to who's to blame.
12:31My understanding is that they're still investigating this drone incursion that occurred on Tuesday.
12:36But I guess the bigger question is, Maeve,
12:38how much the European Union as well as NATO can stomach when it comes to these incidents,
12:42which have resulted in two people dying as well as what they can do.
12:45We know the European Union is working on an anti-hybrid warfare playbook,
12:49but whether these incidents even fall within the remit of hybrid warfare is yet to be seen
12:54and what they can really do to counter these incursions.
12:57It's also my understanding that Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey are working with the machinations of NATO
13:02to bolster security in the Black Sea too.
13:05So civilian vessels can do their jobs and bring grain to Europe as well as the Middle East and Africa.
13:10OK, Angela Scudins, thank you so much for your report there.
13:14And now we can move on as EU ambassadors are close to finalising about 1,650 new additions
13:20to the sanctions list against Russia.
13:23This comes less than a month after Alisher Usmanov, often dubbed one of Putin's favourite billionaires,
13:28and Michel Friedman, a banking magnate, were controversially dropped from the lists
13:32after pressure from France and Slovakia.
13:35For more, we can head now to Strasbourg, where the human rights activist Bill Brider joins us this morning.
13:39Good morning, Bill. Thank you so much for joining us.
13:42Has the EU just shown that its sanctions regime can be cracked by political backroom deals, do you think?
13:51Well, could you repeat the question? I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
13:54Do you think the EU has just shown that its sanctions regime can be cracked by political backroom deals,
14:01the fact that two countries got their way here?
14:06Absolutely.
14:06And I think that this is a shameful decision to let these two guys off the sanctions list.
14:13And I think it's actually a dangerous decision, particularly in the case of Alisher Usmanov.
14:20Here you have a situation where he was effectively taken off the sanctions list
14:24because a hostage was swapped for him from Azerbaijan.
14:31And so what does this say to other Russian oligarchs who continue to be on the sanctions list?
14:36They could encourage other countries to take hostages to put into this type of negotiation.
14:42The fact that these types of backroom deals, these dirty, dirty deals are possible,
14:48really puts a very dark cloud over the whole sanctions program.
14:53That's the thing, Bill. Do you fear a precedent now is set after this saga?
15:01A very bad precedent has been set.
15:03So imagine that you're one of these other thousands of oligarchs sitting in Russia.
15:08And I should point out that all these oligarchs, these sanctions hang over their head.
15:14It's the worst thing that could happen to them.
15:16Every single one of them is scheming and trying to come up with ways of getting off the sanctions list.
15:20They've now seen these two different things.
15:22One, a very nasty legal fight against the Luxembourg authorities.
15:27And the second is this whole hostage negotiation with the Azeris.
15:32And these other oligarchs are going to be saying, OK, this is a precedent.
15:36This is something we can do.
15:37The Europeans will blink.
15:40And therefore, we're going to try to use these same things to get off the sanctions list.
15:45Now, there is one saving grace in the whole situation,
15:48which is that the current sanctions list has now been renewed for three years,
15:53which means that there is a bit of time, three years of time,
15:56before we come up with another one of these moments of weakness.
16:01But it really is a terrible thing at the same time that we have Russia bombing civilians
16:08on a daily basis in Kiev and other cities around Ukraine.
16:11Well, that's the thing.
16:12And you know Russia well.
16:13You know how Putin ticks.
16:14Do you think he's feeling any pressure from his inner circle?
16:21Putin doesn't feel pressure from anything at the moment.
16:24The only way that this war will stop is not because people inside Russia are going to put pressure on
16:31him.
16:32There's no politics.
16:33There's no civil society.
16:34The way that this war will stop is if Ukraine inflicts enough economic damage on Russia
16:40that they cannot afford to continue this war.
16:43And the only way that's possible is if the West continues to support Ukraine militarily
16:48and if the West were to get tough on Russia as far as oil sanctions.
16:53We haven't done that yet.
16:54And we give Russia, I should say we give Ukraine enough to fend off Russia to some extent,
17:01but not to the extent necessary to get Putin to back down.
17:04So would you argue, Bill, the sanctions, the EU sanctions are just not working?
17:08Because as you say, the war is still very much ongoing.
17:10Ukraine facing its fifth winter of war.
17:12And it's actually worse than ever.
17:17Well, I'm not saying the sanctions aren't working.
17:19I'm saying sanctions are certainly putting pressure on Putin.
17:22But Putin is ready to starve his whole country completely in order to keep the war going.
17:28If the war were to stop, Putin would effectively lose power.
17:33And if he loses power, he would lose his life.
17:36And so he's ready to make unbelievable sacrifices.
17:38But at the same time, the sanctions are working in the sense that it's grinding Russia down,
17:43it's causing Russia economic damage.
17:45We're seeing the refining capacity of Russia decline by somewhere between 20 and 40 percent.
17:52We're seeing inflation going up.
17:55We're seeing all sorts of stuff.
17:56But at the end of the day, sanctions aren't stopping the war
18:00because Putin is ready to suck up his gut and deal with the pressure.
18:06And so what I'm saying is that there should be more sanctions, not less sanctions,
18:11in order to try to put Putin in a position where he just can't physically afford to carry on the
18:17war.
18:18And just finally, Bill, you find yourself in Strasbourg,
18:20at the European Parliament in Strasbourg this morning.
18:22You've been meeting with the likes of Kaya Callas.
18:24Is your message getting through to them?
18:30Well, I'm speaking to, I should say, I'm pushing on an open door at the European Parliament.
18:35And certainly with the officials of the European Commission, I think everybody here believes that Ukraine should be supported,
18:43that Russia is the villain and we need to do more.
18:47It's obviously complicated because we also have these situations like what we just started this conversation with,
18:54with France putting pressure on the European Union to take Usmanov off the sanctions list because of backroom deals.
19:02But at the end of the day, there's a lot of people here.
19:04Most people here, almost everybody here supports Ukraine, which is certainly hardening.
19:09OK, Bill Brighter, speaking to us there from the European Parliament in Strasbourg.
19:13Thank you so much for joining us.
19:14And that brings this edition of Europe Today to an end.
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