00:00May 4 billion piso ng mga transaksyon sa bank accounts ni Vice President Sara Duterte at asawang si Atty. Manz
00:07Carpio ang naiulat sa Anti-Money Laundering Council.
00:11Ayon yan sa witness mula sa AMLAC na sinubukang harangin ng depensa dahil labagumanong sa batas ang kanyang itinestigo.
00:18May unang balita si Sandra Aguinaldo.
00:23Sinubukang harangin ng abogado ni Vice President Sara Duterte ang pagtestigo ng opisyal mula sa Anti-Money Laundering Council.
00:32Labag daw sa batas at sa karapatan ng bisi na ilabas ang mga bank records nito na dapat confidential o
00:39hindi isinasa publiko.
00:41Walang tinatago ang vice-presidente. Ngunit hindi dapat ibalandra ang mga ito sa publiko sa pamamaraang mali, malisyoso at ang
00:53tanging layon ay pamumulitika lamang.
00:55We also put on record that Vice President Sara Z. Duterte reserves the right to pursue all appropriate legal remedies
01:06against those who will violate the law and her rights thereunder.
01:10Pero giit ng prosekusyon, nawawala umano ang confidentiality kapag kailangang maglahad ng impormasyon sa hukuman.
01:19The Defense Council is already assuming that this witness will be testifying on confidential matters, Your Honor, without even first
01:30listening to the testimony.
01:33Tinanong ng presiding officer ang testigo.
01:35Will you be violating any provision of law under RA No. 9160 as amended by your testimony?
01:45No, Your Honor. We are in compliance with our internal rules, the law and the order of this court, Your
01:51Honor.
01:51With eyes wide open, not wide shut, you are fully aware of the provisions of law pertaining to the AMLC
02:00and whatever penalties may be imposed upon you should you be found liable for violating the provisions of the AMLC.
02:10Sa ruling din Escudero, pinunto rin dito na hindi absolute o ganap ang bank secrecy para harangin ang proseso ng
02:19accountability o pagpapanagot.
02:22Kaya natuloy ang testimony ni AMLC, Executive Director Ronel Buenaventura.
02:28Ayon sa prosecution, layunin nila na maipakita sa bank records ni na VP Sara Duterte at Atty. Manasa Scarpio na
02:354.4 billion pesos umano ang dumaan dito mula 2007 hanggang 2025.
02:42Hindi umano ito nakadeklara sa state for the facets, liabilities and net worth ng vice.
02:47May 1.6 billion na natukoy na pumasok sa mga account ng mag-asawa. At 1.3 billion naman ang
02:55natukoy na lumabas.
02:571.4 billion pa ang hindi matukoy kung pumasok o lumabas. At ang mga ito ay base pa lamang sa
03:04mga CTRs at STRs na isinumiti sa AMLC.
03:08Her husband walked out of two banks with 41 million in cash in a single day.
03:14Sabi pa ng prosecution, isang tao umano na may kaugnayan sa iligal na droga ang bumili ng tseke na pangalan
03:23ng bise ang nakalagay noong 2011 at 2012.
03:26May 34 suspicious transaction report umano laban sa bise at 30 naman kay Carpio sa AMLC, bukod pa sa anilay
03:35derogatory reports sa AMLC.
03:37Nabanggit din ang pera mula sa China na pumasok o mano sa mga accounts ng mag-asawa.
03:43Impormasyong narinig din sa press conference ni dating Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV noong biyernes.
03:50Money from China poured into a food manufacturing company of her husband.
03:54Ang Kale 88 Foods Corporation ay tumanggap ng 319 million na remittance mula sa mga kumpanya sa China.
04:04Tatlo rito ang iniulat ng banko bilang kahinahinala.
04:07Banks and insurers report these transactions because this is how dirty money moves.
04:14Kinawasyon ng abogado ng bise kung bakit tinatalakay sa trial ang bank accounts ni Duterte noong hindi pa siya nakaupong
04:22bise.
04:23Katwira ng prosecution para ito matukoy ang baseline o yung panagsimula ng yaman ng bise upang maipakita kung paano ito
04:31lumaki
04:31at ma-establish ang unlay pattern na hindi pagdadeklara ng bise sa kanyang salen.
04:36Kabilang dito ang mga transaksyon sa kanyang joint account ng amang dating si Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte
04:43na noong taong 2014 daw ay umabot-umano sa mahigit 193.7 million pesos ang halaga ng transaksyon sa loob
04:52lamang ng isang araw.
04:54All in one day.
04:55CTRIA po means inter-account transferred.
05:02So this is a movement of funds from one account to another client's account within the same bank.
05:07Different transactions.
05:08These are unique accounts in one day.
05:13And he further explained that these are mere transfers from one account to another.
05:20But that these are unique transactions.
05:22Nagpaula ng objection ang depensa bilang pangangalaga raw sa karapatan ng bise.
05:27Gwardyado ng prosecution at depensa ang isa't isa.
05:31Kaya nagpaalala ang presiding officer.
05:34Lawyers can argue these legal points till kingdom come.
05:39And I doubt if you will reach or intersect or come to an agreement.
05:43Let the witness speak.
05:45Lumabas din sa pagtatanong ng prosecution na merong dalawang suspicious transaction reports
05:49na naiugnay umano sa posibleng katiwalian sa flood control.
05:53Kaugnay sa pondong ibinayad noong 2019.
05:57Pero aminado si Buenaventura na nagmula ang impormasyon sa media reports.
06:01Kaya kinwestiyon ito ng depensa.
06:04Based on records, Your Honor, as reported by the covered person,
06:09the reason indicated is graph and corrupt practices, Your Honor.
06:13It in no way creates a link between the actual corporation and the corporations mentioned by the news article.
06:20Nagkaroon din ang diskusyon tukos sa pagbibigay ng testimonya patungkol sa dollar accounts
06:26dahil ayon sa depensa at sa ilang senator judges, labag ito sa batas.
06:31This court also clarifies that it is not at this point compelling the bank or covered institutions
06:36to disclose information concerning foreign currency deposits.
06:41The witness is simply being asked to testify on records and financial information that are already in his lawful possession.
06:48The confidentiality of foreign currency deposits cannot operate to place information lawfully reported to the MLC
06:55beyond the reach of the impeachment court.
06:58A contrary interpretation would be untenable.
07:00Si Sen. Judge Alan Peter Cayetano tinawag naman na official marites report
07:06ang presentasyon ng AMLOC tungkol sa umunay suspicious transactions ng BC.
07:12This is just an official marites report.
07:14Magsasubmit kayo ng report ganito na narinig lang natin lahat, nabasa lahat sa dyaryo.
07:20Turo ng nanay at tatay ko, pag nakarinig ako ng chismis at tinanong ako,
07:25huwag kong ikakalat yung chismis.
07:27Kasi pagka ang chismis ay kinalat ko, credibility ko kasama rin.
07:33Bagay na sinagot naman ni Sen. Judge Rizahontiveros.
07:37Turo din naman po ng nanay at tatay ko, hindi ko muna ipepresume na ang anumang bagay o anuman ay
07:43chismis.
07:44Hanggang marinig ko po lahat.
07:46Sa cross-examination ng depensa, sinilip nila.
07:49Kung may pahintulot mula sa tatlong miyembro ng Anti-Money Laundering Council,
07:54si Atty. Buenaventura na tumestigo sa naging pagdinig noon ng House Justice Committee.
08:00When you appeared before the House Committee on Justice on April 22, 2026,
08:07did you obtain a prior written authority of the three council members?
08:14Your Honor, the authority granted was pursuant to our information exchange guidelines,
08:20which the council already approved in 2022.
08:24So that is an authority granted. There's a provision there which authorizes me to appear whenever we're subject of subpina.
08:34Meron din daw siyang pinadalang memo sa council ukol sa kanyang subpina.
08:39Bukod dyan, inusisa rin ng depensa kung may pahintulot ng council members
08:44ang pagpapresenta niya ng confidential information sa naging pagdinig noon.
08:49It was already included in the guidelines, Your Honor, provided when I joined, Your Honor.
08:56Napag-usapan din sa pagdinig ang pag-rollover ng pera sa banko,
09:00gaya ng pag-deposit ng mahigit 500,000 pesos na may kaakibat na CTR o cover transaction.
09:08Duda ng depensa, kapag nagka-interes ang deposito, maari na itong panibagong CTR.
09:14Time deposit is 12 months, for example, and the process repeats per month.
09:19Yung 600,000 will be around 12 times na in the AMLC reporting, correct?
09:27If they are reported po sa amin, yes po.
09:30Alright. Meaning yung around 600,000 lang talaga,
09:33ang aggregated total niya in AMLC reporting will be around 12x or 7 million.
09:41When in fact, dun sa senaryo na yun, a little over 600,000 lang talaga yung true wealth.
09:48Tama? Hindi yung 7.8 million na tinotal. Tama?
09:51Yes, Your Honor.
09:52Alright.
09:52Naay tanong din kay Atty. Buenaventura kung iligal ba para sa bisi at asawa
09:57na si Atty. Manz Carpio na kumuha ng insurance,
10:01mag-invest sa time deposits, stocks at bonds.
10:05Sagot ng opisyal, sa kanyang pagkakaalam, ay hindi ito iligal.
10:09Sa isang punto, sinabi ng Depensa na maaaring paglabag sa Anti-Money Laundering Act
10:13ang paggamit ng confidential information.
10:16Under this provision, Atty. Buenaventura, pati yung media pwedeng makasuhan, correct?
10:20Sinagot yan ang Senator Judges.
10:22The councils in the impeachment board should be reminded of the term parliamentary immunity.
10:30Mali rin na, kahit indirectly, bantaan ang media.
10:35Dapat po walang chilling effect na either sadyang or disadyang lilikain sa hanay ng 4th Estate.
10:44I don't see any reason bakit paulit-ulit na lang itong defense na tinatakot pa,
10:51pati media tinatakot.
10:53Alam naman natin ni rule ng presiding officer na allowed dito sa impeachment court
10:58yung pag-divulge ng mga information coming from AMLA.
11:03Duloy si Lito Lapid, takot na magsalita.
11:05Pagod na tayong lahat. Give us a break.
11:07Pagpunto pa ni Senator Judge Kiko Pangilinan,
11:10kung tutol ang depensa sa pagpapahintul sa testimonya ni Buenaventura,
11:15ay maaari silang dumulog sa Korte Suprema.
11:18It leads us to think that maybe in the cross-examination, I don't know.
11:24The Defense Council will raise the issue of the possible criminal liability of the Senator Judges.
11:31I don't know.
11:32The Senate presiding officer has ruled if the defense wishes to raise this issue,
11:40bring it to the Supreme Court perhaps.
11:42Sa isa namang panayam, sinabi ng depensa na hindi nila intensyong magbanta.
11:47We regret that they felt that way.
11:51Siyempre ayaw naman natin talaga ng ganoon.
11:53And I think naman for Atty. Binduan, that was not the intention.
11:57I think he was just reading the law.
11:59And he just wanted to raise that with the witness.
12:02But again, we regret if any senator felt that way.
12:06Kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intention to threaten anyone.
12:10Ito ang unang balita.
12:12Sandra Aguinaldo, GMA News.
