00:06This is the impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte.
00:07There was a discussion on the impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte
00:10about the defense on the possibility of establishing a confidential information from Vice President.
00:17He was a witness to the defense officer of the Anti-Money Laundering Council
00:21but it was not the impeachment court.
00:25Sandra Aguinaldo.
00:30Sino bukang harangin ng abogado ni Vice President Sara Duterte
00:34ang pagtestigo ng opisyal mula sa Anti-Money Laundering Council?
00:38Labag daw sa batas at sa karapatan ng vice
00:41na ilabas ang mga bank records nito na dapat confidential o hindi isina sa publiko.
00:48Walang tinatago ang vice presidente.
00:51Ngunit hindi dapat ibalandra ang mga ito sa publiko
00:54sa pamamaraang mali, malisyoso, at ang tanging layon ay pamumuliti ka lamang.
01:02We also put on record that Vice President Sara Duterte
01:07reserves the right to pursue all appropriate legal remedies
01:12against those who will violate the law and her rights thereon.
01:17Pero giit ng prosecution, nawawala umano ang confidentiality kapag kailangan maglahad ng impormasyon sa hukuman.
01:25The defense counsel is already assuming that this witness will be testifying on confidential matters, Your Honor,
01:34without even first listening to the testimony.
01:39Tinanong ng presiding officer ang testigo.
01:42Will you be violating any provision of law under RA No. 9160 as amended by your testimony this morning,
01:52Attorney Renaud?
01:54No, Your Honor. We are in compliance with our internal rules, the law and the order of support, Your Honor.
02:00With eyes wide open, not wide shut, you are fully aware of the provisions of law pertaining to the AMLC
02:10and whatever penalties may be imposed upon you should you be found liable for violating the provisions of the AMLC.
02:19Sa ruling din Escudero, pinunto rin dito na hindi absolute o ganap ang bank secrecy
02:26para harangin ang proseso ng accountability o pagpapanagot.
02:31Kaya natuloy ang testimony ni AMLAC Executive Director Ronel Buenaventura.
02:37Ayon sa prosecution, layunin nila na maipakita sa bank records ni na VP Sara Duterte
02:43at Attorney Manasse Scarpio na P4.4 billion pesos umano ang dumaan dito mula 2007-2025.
02:51Hindi umano ito nakadeklara sa State Pro facets, liabilities and net worth ng BICE.
02:57May 1.6 billion na natukoy na pumasok sa mga account ng mag-asawa.
03:02At 1.3 billion naman ang natukoy na lumabas.
03:061.4 billion pa ang hindi matukoy kung pumasok o lumabas.
03:10At ang mga ito ay base pa lamang sa mga CTRs at STRs na isinumiti sa AMLC.
03:17Her husband walked out of two banks with 41 million in cash in a single day.
03:24Sabi pa ng prosecution, isang tao umano na may kaugnayan sa ilegal na droga
03:29ang bumili ng cheque na pangalan ng BICE ang nakalagay noong 2011 at 2012.
03:35May 34 suspicious transaction report umano laban sa BICE at 30 naman kay Carpio sa AMLAC
03:43bukod pa sa anilay derogatory reports sa AMLAC.
03:47Nabanggit din ang pera mula sa China na pumasok umano sa mga accounts ng mag-asawa,
03:52impormasyong narinig din sa press conference ni dating Sen. Antonio Trillanos IV noong biyernes.
03:59Money from China poured into a food manufacturing company of her husband.
04:04Ang Kale 88 Foods Corporation ay tumanggap ng 319 million na remittance mula sa mga kumpanya sa China.
04:13Tatlo rito ang iniulat ng banko bilang kahinahinala.
04:16Banks and insurers report these transactions because this is how dirty money moves.
04:24Kinawasyon ng abogado ng BICE kung bakit tinatalakay sa trial ang bank accounts ni Duterte noong hindi pa siya nakaupong
04:31BICE.
04:32Katwira ng prosecution para ito matukoy ang baseline o yung pinagsimula ng yaman ng BICE upang maipakita kung paano ito
04:40lumaki
04:41at ma-establish ang unlay pattern na hindi pagdadeklara ng BICE sa kanyang sal-end.
04:46Kabilang dito ang mga transaksyon sa kanyang joint account ng amang dating si Pangulong Rodrigo Duterte
04:52na noong taong 2014 daw ay umabot-umano sa mahigit P193.7 million ang halaga ng transaksyon sa loob lamang
05:02ng isang araw.
05:04All in one day, different transactions. These are unique accounts in one day.
05:10And he further explained that these are mere transfers from one account to another, but that these are unique transactions.
05:19Nagpaulan ng objection ang depensa bilang pangangalaga raw sa karapatan ng BICE.
05:25Gwardyado ng prosecution at depensa ang isa't isa, kaya nagpaalala ang presiding officer.
05:31Lawyers can argue these legal points till kingdom come, and I doubt if you will reach or intersect or come
05:39to an agreement. Let the witness speak.
05:42Lumabas din sa pagtatanong ng prosecution na merong dalawang suspicious transaction reports na naiugnay umano sa posibleng katiwalian sa flood
05:50control.
05:51Kaugnay sa pondong ibinayad noong 2019.
05:54Pero aminado sa Beneventura na nagmula ang informasyon sa media reports, kaya kinuwestiyon ito ng depensa.
06:01Based on records, Your Honor, as reported by the covered person, the reason indicated is graph and correct practices, Your
06:10Honor.
06:11It in no way creates a link between the actual corporation and the corporations mentioned by the news article.
06:18Nagkaroon din ang diskusyon tungkol sa pagbibigay ng testimonya patungkol sa dollar accounts dahil ayon sa depensa at sa ilang
06:26senator judges, labag ito sa batas.
06:28This court also clarifies that it is not at this point compelling the bank or covered institutions to disclose information
06:36concerning foreign currency deposits.
06:38The witness is simply being asked to testify on records and financial information that are already in his lawful possession.
06:46The confidentiality of foreign currency deposits cannot operate to place information lawfully reported to the MLC beyond the reach of
06:54the impeachment court.
06:55A contrary interpretation would be untenable.
06:58Si Sen. Judge Allan Peter Cayetano tinawag naman ng official marites report ang presentasyon ng AMLOC tungkol sa umunay suspicious
07:07transactions ng BISIC.
07:09This is just an official marites report.
07:12Magsasubmit kayo ng report ganito na narinig lang natin lahat, nabasa lahat sa dyaryo.
07:17Turo ng nanay at tatay ko, pag nakarinig ako ng chismis at tinanong ako, huwag kong ikakalat yung chismis.
07:25Kasi pagka ang chismis ay kinalat ko, credibility ko kasama rin.
07:30Bagay na sinagot naman ni Sen. Judge Rizahontiveros.
07:34Turo din naman po ng nanay at tatay ko, hindi ko muna ipepresume na ang anumang bagay o anuman ay
07:40chismis.
07:41Hanggang marinig ko po lahat.
07:43Sa cross-examination ng depensa, sinilip nila kung may pahintulot mula sa tatlong miyembro ng Anti-Money Laundering Council,
07:52si Atty. Buenaventura na tumestigo sa naging pagdinig noon ng House Justice Committee.
07:58When you appeared before the House Committee on Justice on April 22, 2026,
08:05did you obtain a prior written authority of the three council members?
08:11Your Honor, the authority granted was pursuant to our information exchange guidelines,
08:17which the council already approved in 2022.
08:22So that is an authority granted.
08:25There's a provision there which authorizes me to appear whenever we're subject of subpoena.
08:32Meron din daw siyang pinadalang memo sa council ukol sa kanyang subpoena.
08:36Bukod dyan, inusisa rin ng depensa kung may pahintulot ng council members
08:41ang bagpapresenta niya ng confidential information sa naging pagdinig noon.
08:47It was already included in the guidelines, Your Honor, provided when I joined, Your Honor.
08:53Napag-usapan din sa pagbinig ang pag-roll over ng pera sa bangko,
08:58gaya ng pag-deposit ng mahigit 500,000 pesos na may kaakibat na CTR o cover transaction.
09:06Duda ng depensa, kapag nagka-interes ang deposito, maaari na itong palibagong CTR.
09:11Time deposit is 12 months for example, and the process repeats per month.
09:16Yung 600,000 will be around 12 times na in the AMLC reporting, correct?
09:25If they are reported po sa amin, yes po.
09:27Alright. Meaning yung around 600,000 lang talaga,
09:30ang aggregated total niya in AMLC reporting will be around 12x or 7 million.
09:38When in fact, dun sa senaryo na yun, a little over 600,000 lang talaga yung true wealth, tama?
09:46Hindi yung 7.8 million na tinotal, tama?
09:49Yes, Your Honor.
09:49Alright.
09:49Naitanong din kay Atty. Buenaventura kung iligal ba para sa bise at asawa na si Atty. Manscarpio na kumuha ng
09:58insurance,
09:59mag-invest sa time deposits, stocks at bonds.
10:02Sagot ng opisyal, sa kanyang pagkakaalam ay hindi ito iligal.
10:06Sa isang punto, sinabi ng depensa na maaaring paglabag sa Anti-Money Laundering Act
10:11ang paggamit ng confidential information.
10:13Under this provision, Atty. Buenaventura, pati yung media pwedeng makasuhan, correct?
10:17Sinagot yan ang Senator Judges.
10:20The councils in the impeachment should be reminded of the term parliamentary immunity.
10:28Mali rin na, kahit indirectly, bantaan ang media.
10:33Dapat po walang chilling effect na either sadyang or disadyang lilikain sa hanay ng 4th Estate.
10:41I don't see any reason bakit pa ulit-ulit na lang itong defense na tinatakot pa, pati media tinatakot.
10:50Alam naman natin ni rule nila kanina ng presiding officer na allowed dito sa impeachment court
10:57yung pag-divulge ng mga information coming from AMLA.
11:01Dolay si Lito Lapit, takot na magsalita.
11:04Pagod na tayong lahat. Give us a break.
11:06Pagpunto pa ni Sen. Judge Kiko Pangilinan,
11:09kung tutol ang depensa sa pagpapahintul sa testimonya ni Buenaventura,
11:14ay maaaring silang dumulog sa Korte Suprema.
11:16It leads us to think that maybe in the cross-examination, I don't know.
11:23The defense counsel will raise the issue of the possible criminal liability of the senator judges.
11:30I don't know.
11:31The Senate presiding officer has ruled.
11:35If the defense wishes to raise this issue, bring it to the Supreme Court perhaps.
11:41Sa isa namang panayam, sinabi ng depensa na hindi nila intensyong magbanta.
11:46We regret that they felt that way.
11:49Siyempre ayaw naman natin talaga ng gano'n.
11:51And I think naman para Tony Binduan, that was not the intention.
11:55I think he was just reading the law and he just wanted to raise that with the witness.
12:01But again, we regret if any senator felt that way
12:05kasi as you know, hindi naman talaga intentional to threaten anyone.
12:08Ako si Sandra Aguinaldo, ang inyong saksi.
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