00:00I think Ben and I actually really focused on...
00:05I mean, all I'd say that is in the book, this kind of...
00:09There's a tension between them, but actually we managed to develop something
00:12that was actually almost a purer kind of example of this kind of toxic relationship
00:18that you were just talking about before, about why she's staying and...
00:25Yeah, there's a familiality and there's also like kind of...
00:31It's not really Stockholm Syndrome, but there's this slightly conflicted juxtaposition
00:38to their relationship and it's, you know, he's kind of the closest thing to family
00:46that she has until she meets Alina.
00:49And I think, yeah, I mentioned before that there's...
00:54She finds safety in the familiarity of it, even though the familiarity of it
01:00obviously is very unsafe because of the nature of the relationship.
01:03But it was really fun with Ben to kind of find those moments where we can connect.
01:09There's just...
01:10And having a bit of freedom to kind of explore those themes, which I think are...
01:14The nuances of...
01:15The nuances of those themes, which I think are like...
01:19Contemporary.
01:19Yeah.
01:20Within the framework of something so...
01:25So much broader sweeping.
01:28You know, because fantasy often has this kind of very broad dark versus light,
01:32these sort of grand themes, but to really kind of, you know,
01:36chip away at things that feel very modern, you know,
01:41in terms of, you know, toxicity of relationships or, you know, struggles.
01:48Yeah.
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