00:00We are with Filippo Rossi, we talk about his latest essay
00:07Thinking about the city, imaginary Viterbo, reading the future
00:11it's the new essay he published for Rubettino
00:16Viterbo is the starting point, Rossi, but the reasoning concerns
00:21much more generally the government of Italian cities
00:23Rossi, let us remember, for several years
00:28he fights hard on the intellectual and political fronts
00:35to try to outline a European liberal right
00:40far from populism
00:42based on responsibility and on the quality of the ruling classes
00:46and on the primacy of politics
00:48Here is Rossi, in this new essay of yours that we said
00:52It starts from Viterbo but does not only concern Viterbo
00:55you ask a question
01:00that is, administering a city, administering it well, is that enough?
01:06It's not enough, obviously according to what we decide
01:11you mean to administer
01:13if administration is reduced to managing ordinary administration
01:21so it essentially boils down to condominium administration
01:25I believe that politics betrays itself
01:29because politics has objectives even when it administers a city
01:35even when he runs a city
01:37has broader goals
01:41at the very least, to think about the next few decades
01:44but also to create a collective identity
01:47to create what I call the collective story of a city
01:52I'm leaving from Viterbo because it's my city, the city where I live, the city I love
01:55but obviously the book is a metaphor for both the administration of the city
02:01but also, perhaps without even realizing it
02:06it's a great gesture of love towards politics
02:09with a capital P
02:10that is, with politics that knows
02:11have the courage and responsibility to make decisions
02:15Here's Rossi, let's say in close-up perspective
02:19there will be administrations
02:22that is, we will also go to vote in the elections to renew many Italian municipalities
02:27including Viterbo precisely
02:29your essay is not a political manifesto
02:32but he's really going to ask questions
02:36what are then the questions of politics
02:39as you said with a capital P
02:41that is, there is a need for vision
02:44we don't just talk about immediate responses
02:47What does this vision mean to you?
02:51Vision is trying to set goals
02:54I realized it in Viterbo
02:56but also in many other Italian cities
02:58and perhaps even in national politics
03:00which many times, not always obviously
03:03it's not a pessimistic book
03:06on the contrary it is a book full of hope
03:08otherwise I wouldn't have written it
03:09but politics often
03:11finally chasing the present note
03:14and therefore the ordinary administration
03:17he can't set goals for himself
03:19of strategic objectives
03:20which could also be from here to six months
03:22from here to a year
03:23mind you, I'm not always talking about history with a capital H
03:27or of future centuries
03:29but also very practical things
03:31and then in the end
03:32when there are funds to spend
03:34where there are decisions to be made
03:37everything seems very random
03:40some things are right
03:41some wrong
03:42but there is no underlying strategy
03:45I've already made a couple of presentations
03:48in my city
03:49and many compliments and some criticism
03:52Among the criticisms were
03:53but you don't give the solutions
03:54I didn't want to give solutions
03:56I wanted to give a political-cultural answer
03:59on what politics should be
04:01in an average provincial city like Viterbo
04:04and like many other cities in Italy in this way
04:07and I believe that if politics does not question itself
04:10on what it is and what it should do
04:13then the practical solutions
04:15not that they leave things as they are
04:17but they can paradoxically be counterproductive
04:20but if you are a careful observer
04:24especially what happens in the right-wing world
04:28but let's also talk about politics in general
04:31here it is after four years and more of government
04:36of the award winner Giorgia Meloni
04:37How do you rate this right-wing government?
04:41what have we seen in these years?
04:44very sincerely
04:46even with a pinch of self-criticism
04:48I rate it better than I expected
04:51also because the world has changed in the meantime
04:53paradoxically even in these months
04:57when I wrote my previous book
04:59there was no war in Ukraine
05:00there was no international political disaster
05:06I have to say that about Giorgia Meloni
05:08just the fact that it held up
05:11in its international position
05:13it is worth a positive judgment
05:18because I believe that even and especially today
05:22when to the right of the right
05:24a pro-Putin Bannacci is born
05:27I think those are very, very important things.
05:31then it's clear
05:32being in government of a country like Italy
05:35it's not like governing the city
05:37it's much more complex
05:38I know it very well
05:39and solutions are not around the corner
05:42a city instead paradoxically
05:44politics could do much more
05:46but instead he doesn't do it
05:47but I believe that precisely
05:48at least in international politics
05:51Giorgia Meloni has proven herself
05:53much better than I thought myself
05:58evidently wrong
05:59the last joke right
06:01you quoted General Vannacci
06:03which claims
06:04I am the real right
06:06but that's the real right
06:08my basic thesis
06:10I continue to disagree with this
06:12with Giorgia Meloni
06:14and with the theorists of Fratelli d'Italia
06:16but it's a cultural disagreement
06:18it's not a strategic disagreement
06:20is that in reality the right
06:22it's never just one
06:24the rights are infinite
06:26there is a populist right
06:27there is an elite right
06:28there is a liberal right
06:29a liberal right
06:30Meaning what
06:31this idea
06:32of a monolithic extra
06:35that is all together
06:36in the end it doesn't hold up
06:38it doesn't hold up
06:39the blows of history
06:42and Vannacci
06:43in the demonstration
06:44which does not mean
06:45that I'm happy
06:46why Vannacci was born
06:47because it's a serious problem
06:49for Italy
06:50a party like that
06:52right-wing
06:54extremist
06:54populist
06:55and Putinian
06:56Thank you all
06:58Thank you all
06:58Thank you all
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