00:00I've obviously got older and better looking and all that kind of stuff.
00:03Yeah, of course, yeah.
00:04German and grey and bald and...
00:07Guys, congrats on Mobland series two.
00:09John, this is your, like, bread and butter.
00:10You've been able to build characters from the ground up
00:13and then kind of add layers to them over a length of time.
00:17Whereas, Tom, we've not been able to see this as much from you.
00:21It's just been a different sort of feeling
00:22as you kind of coming back for more
00:25and taking on the same person again
00:26and seeing how they change and evolve.
00:28I like long form, to get to know characters.
00:33The thing is, you can, you know, with a film,
00:36you only get, like, 90 minutes to 120 minutes
00:39to land something that has as much roundedness
00:43and much reach as possible.
00:47Whereas something like Mobland is an absolute gem
00:52to spend more time mining.
00:54Even if it's repetition of the similar stuff,
00:56you get to know someone over two, three years.
01:00The simplicity of their consistency.
01:03They're always a certain thing.
01:04So when a very small thing happens, you know,
01:06a huge change has happened, if that makes sense.
01:08For someone like Harry, it's like,
01:10when will he break?
01:12When will he admit that he's, you know, chosen a life
01:15which actually doesn't reflect his interior or something like that?
01:18I mean, if you look at a film or a play, you know,
01:22you have the beginning, middle and end.
01:24Whereas, obviously, with series, with TV series, you don't.
01:27So there's something nice in that.
01:29It's nice to have the variation between doing
01:32those different kind of projects because, as you say,
01:37that the series is on rolling.
01:40So you're just like,
01:41oh, you don't know where you're going to land.
01:43You don't know where your character is going to land.
01:45So you can, you know, it's quite an interesting process
01:49to kind of do the guesswork.
01:51And you really have to rely on your,
01:54what you've decided about your character
01:55because you don't know what the end result is.
01:57Especially for you guys' relationship in this.
02:00It's interesting because you guys are sort of like a ballast,
02:03like almost like a shelter, like a calming.
02:05I know you have like a tumultuous relationship
02:08and you're working through various, like, difficulties.
02:10But when we come, we see all this madness around you
02:12and then we come back to the scenes between you guys,
02:14it does feel like a breather, like the calmness.
02:18And that relies on you guys being able to portray
02:19this really long relationship with two people
02:22who know each other inside out.
02:24I wondered with the kind of the power dynamic between you,
02:27whether there's a shift at all in season two
02:30because of the kind of marital troubles and that's changed.
02:34I don't think anything really changes.
02:35And I think that's part of the problem is
02:37that nothing changes if nothing changes.
02:39And in that aspect, and I think
02:44Jan has been consistently turning up for therapy,
02:46turning up for his side of the street
02:48and trying to get Harry to change or to offer
02:51to roll out an option that moves them forward as a couple.
02:55And what we see furthermore as we spend time with them
02:59is that the consistency of what he delivers at home
03:02is exactly that.
03:04But it leaves, and the enigma of it,
03:07it's sort of wearing a bit thin now.
03:09And the romanticism of earlier,
03:11the earlier part of the relationship
03:13has now hit a midlife crisis settlement,
03:15whereby there's a re-evaluation for both.
03:17Not necessarily for Harry, but I think definitely for Jan.
03:20And there's a re-evaluation of where do the next 30 years go
03:22if this is the consistency of the truth
03:25and the authentic nature of the relationship.
03:28And with how violent the show is,
03:29I'd be amazed if both your characters live for another 30 years.
03:33Quite frankly, it would be a miracle.
03:34I'd be surprised if they didn't, actually.
03:36Yeah, I suppose.
03:38They don't make very good TV.
03:39Yeah.
03:40My time is up, but speaking of good TV,
03:42I've been waiting a long time for Taboo Season 2.
03:45Yeah, that is happening.
03:46That's got to be something happening.
03:47Praise to God.
03:48That is happening, yeah.
03:49I keep saying that as well,
03:50but I want to go back to it.
03:52But I had to work in the in-between.
03:55But that's something that I'm very passionate about,
03:58so we're scribbling away.
04:00But because it's been so long since we did it,
04:03there's a kind of pressure to do something epic with it
04:06when it comes back, if that makes sense.
04:09Yeah, 100%.
04:09And I love doing the first one so much
04:11because we poured so much of us in it
04:13that it's become one of those sort of,
04:16I don't know, it's become a sort of special project
04:18that I'm a bit worried about messing with,
04:20but it's going to need risk-taking.
04:22And the end of the first series,
04:23like the scale of it,
04:24it felt like I could go in so many directions.
04:27So many.
04:27And now if you've given it a decade since it was out,
04:30they've multiplied.
04:31So, and I've obviously got older and better looking
04:34and all that kind of stuff.
04:35Yeah, of course, yeah.
04:36Do you know what I mean?
04:36And grey and bald and...
04:39So is it even me playing, you know,
04:42is it the sun?
04:43There's all kinds of elements to play with
04:45and it's just stuff that I like playing with really.
04:48Well, I'll hold you to that in a junket down the line
04:51because I've been waiting a few years for that.
04:53I'll be very, very interested to see where the characters go.
04:55Guys, really enjoyed this.
04:56Hope you both live through this series and amazing more.
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