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04:26Y tenemos que aprender de la Ukraine.
04:29Take el mejor ejemplo.
04:30Ellos saben cómo, con los menos recursos,
04:32achieve los mejores resultados para el deterring,
04:35poner en seguridad de la seguridad en drones y sistemas de drones.
04:40Por eso nos acordamos con la Ukraine.
04:42Pero Europa tiene que hacer lo mismo.
04:45Necesitamos más para que Europa sea segura.
04:48Tenemos que poner producción.
04:50Tenemos que poner la industria militar en la frente.
04:53Tenemos que mantener nuestra economía higher.
04:55That is exactly why I have publicly announced
04:58that we are suffering by, it's clear analysis,
05:04we're suffering 1.8 percentage points decrease of our GDP
05:08because of being towards an aggressor.
05:12Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are often referred to as chihuahuas.
05:16The inference here is the bark is more powerful than the bite.
05:19What do you make of that assessment?
05:21We were right, weren't we?
05:24Weren't we?
05:25We told everyone this is going to happen.
05:28We know in and out what the bear eats, what it thinks, how it functions.
05:34We knew.
05:35We've been 50 years occupied.
05:37We know the tricks.
05:39We know that bully is always showing the muscle and there's only one way.
05:43By force, you can only deter it.
05:45So everybody now listens.
05:48I feel by meeting the leaders, they understand what we're saying.
05:53It didn't used to be like that even two years ago.
05:55But does that phrase not make you feel like some EU member states don't support the Baltics
06:01when it comes to Russian aggression and particularly the rhetoric coming out of the Baltics?
06:05I think everybody understands very well.
06:07The commitment is not there behind because the politicians understand the societies are still behind of understanding the threat.
06:16Leipzig incident is a good example.
06:19The society is not backing up yet the politicians who understand what it means.
06:23So it takes time and it takes, unfortunately, things to happen, to shake up, to understand that Europe cannot live
06:33in an ideal world that World War II was somewhere in the past.
06:38We see, unfortunately, things we don't learn from the history.
06:42Certainly accelerating.
06:44Let's talk about local politics in Latvia.
06:47Latvian citizens are going to head to the polls very soon, October the 3rd, if I'm correct, for a general
06:52election.
06:53We also saw a regional election in Germany, which resulted in the far-right Alternative for Germany party, a pro
07:00-Russian party doing extremely well.
07:02How do you plan on avoiding this at the ballot box when the election occurs in Latvia?
07:08Simple.
07:09People, societies are fed up with political blah, blah, blah.
07:16People need straight language.
07:18They need to hear the truth.
07:21They need to hear the certainty.
07:23They explain things simply, not cover up uncomfortable news.
07:30People understand.
07:31People will understand much better.
07:34And that's a problem.
07:35The connection is lost between politicians and the society.
07:38And the populistic parties not only are growing.
07:45Why?
07:46Because previously the social media, they can explain things more clearly with statements.
07:54Statements.
07:55Making statements.
07:56That's easy on social media.
07:57But doesn't that mean that the centre is failing, though, if more people are turning to the right or, in
08:02some places, the far left?
08:03I think it's because the policies we've been, Europe has not made great policies, if we compare where we are
08:12now.
08:12Energy sector, as an example.
08:15Industries have been outsourced way too much outside to China, I mean, as an example.
08:19Or we should have strong economy.
08:23That's what I'm saying.
08:24People, when the economy is weak and we need to invest with a weak economy into defence, that's not a
08:31good, great position to be at.
08:32The Ukrainian president, Vladimir Zelensky, has come out and said that he needs an extra 23 billion euros to prop
08:38up his budget to address a funding gap.
08:40How far does Latvia's financial support for Ukraine go?
08:44Is it bottomless or does it end at some point?
08:48You touched on a very important subject.
08:51Do you know why it's gone up?
08:53Military as well?
08:55In Ukraine.
08:56Why it needs more?
08:57Why it's spent more?
08:59Because of defence needs?
09:00No.
09:00This is my understanding.
09:01Because we have not made up our mind.
09:05Ukraine is attacked by ballistic missiles.
09:09And the missiles are being produced in Russia way more than before.
09:13What does it have inside?
09:15Western components.
09:16We're still supplying Russia in order for them to build missiles to attack Ukraine.
09:23And then we're helping Ukraine with more money in order to fight back.
09:27Maybe in the first time, first place, we should stop or put a full ban of those Western technological components
09:37be in the missile.
09:38Russia will not be capable of building it.
09:41Is that something that you would suggest?
09:42I was very open with that.
09:43I was very open on the meetings.
09:45I say, what is the purpose of sanctions?
09:48Let's put, do we want Ukraine to prevail to win?
09:52We want to stop the war or we just want to put sanctions just because of they sound well?
09:57No, we have to put the sanctions in and really execute them.
10:01And obviously that wasn't executed.
10:03There shouldn't be cutting corners.
10:05We shouldn't have make exclusions.
10:07But what was the EU member states, what was their defence for this to not be implemented?
10:12Because there's still interests, because societies are still not understanding the reality of the threat.
10:18We should prepare for the worst.
10:20And that's how you have peace.
10:23And let's turn to another election.
10:25I don't know if many people will refer to it as an election, but the Duma elections.
10:29Are you hopeful for a democratic breakthrough in Russia?
10:33Or is this going to be another rigged contest?
10:35Well, that's a pure example when societies or people don't pay attention to what's happening.
10:41When they say, politics is not for me, I'm not voting.
10:45No, you have to be involved.
10:46And you cannot miss the moment when it goes sour.
10:50Now, there is no way for democratic society to be back in Russia.
10:54You don't think so?
10:55You don't think that they could ever...
10:57No, no, no.
10:57I've worked with Russia 13 years.
10:59I know how it happened.
11:03Society lost the moment.
11:05It's way too far.
11:07It's way too far.
11:08It only can be brought down from the inside of Putin's circle only.
11:13You don't think that this could change certainly perhaps in a generation,
11:17or if he were to pass away and a new leader were to come into power?
11:20The system is in a place.
11:22We let it happen.
11:24We should have won.
11:25We should have stopped the war in the first year, second year, but not now.
11:29Now the society has already been zombied to the level,
11:33and it's been put in a corner.
11:35There's no way out.
11:37So I think those are elections.
11:40Well, the percentage number will be drawn.
11:44There's always a betting.
11:46What is it going to be this year?
11:48Are you going to bet?
11:50It's going to be in the 90s.
11:53Okay.
11:53Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us, Prime Minister.
11:55Thank you.
11:56Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us, Prime Minister.
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