00:00She's got so used to hiding everything from everyone, she has just reached a coping numb
00:08state. And like she says, you know, when she's injured, she says, I don't know how to do anything
00:14or be anything else. And she can cope with going to see Debbie at book club. And that's her relief
00:21and her release. But anything else, she can't even entertain telling Debbie, like when she says,
00:27oh, you're you're a spy. I tried to not barely flicker my eyes in the kitchen, because she's
00:34got so used to not letting on for 20 years. So that that part of it, she's just got used
00:40to being
00:41numb, which is something I was constantly sitting with every day. Yeah, for sure. And then Octavia,
00:46was there ever a point where your character was a little suspicious about about there might be
00:51something she's hiding? Well, no, I mean, if there were, I don't think that they would have been
00:59as as close. You know, if she had to be completely good at her job. Otherwise, I mean, it no,
01:08no,
01:08there was there was and which, again, also leads to Debbie's journey, you know, the dissolution of
01:14her marriage. And now perhaps her friendship, like the two most important relationships in her life.
01:20But there is also a thing with that where Debbie is not accepting or acknowledging the fact that
01:27there are cracks in her relationship. So there's deceit on her side as well. And so they've both got
01:34so used to coping with what they have in life, that neither of us question neither of them question
01:41anything, because it's just become their kind of modus operandi. Mm hmm. And they're both control
01:46freaks. So if Debbie isn't controlling her life and her husband and, you know, book club, all those
01:55things, she has to control. So it's about losing, losing control, in a way.
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