00:00And one thing I think the most important thing at this moment would be the market, the global market demand,
00:07you know, the green supply chain, the green SME or the product or the services that are green.
00:14What I wanted to see or what I would like to propose to the government, look into it.
00:19You know, the green market is something new for everyone.
00:23That's a very good market.
00:25And so then we shouldn't, you know, let the issue, you solve the issue.
00:32But now we also need to talk about debt.
00:34But now we have to look for the opportunities.
00:36So when the opportunities could be, you know, this is opportunity for anyone in the world, which is you can
00:41go to, you know, like the early entry into the green market.
00:45That's where, you know, when you have debt, but then you have the market, you sell things and then you're
00:50able to pay debt.
00:51That's you can end the circle.
00:53So the government needs to focus on this, you know, the green transition for the SME, the real one, not
01:00the same.
01:01Very quickly, I want to get your sense there because we talk about debt there.
01:05Is there any alternative sources for financing SME right now?
01:11Because we understand that, of course, SME, they're facing those challenges and right now amid all the geopolitical issues and
01:18high operation costs there.
01:20Any way out?
01:22Yes.
01:23I just mentioned earlier that, you know, like now the market, it's demanding for the green products and services.
01:32And what is missing now?
01:33You have heard about green finance, right?
01:35So I wanted to, you know, there are different kind of financial tools, you know, from the VC, the investment
01:41fund and so on.
01:42But I wanted to focus on what many banks say with the government already announced that, oh, we have green
01:48finance, you know, in the last five years.
01:50But I haven't really come across anyone who got the green finance, you know, the loans on the green finance
01:55screen.
01:55Because the requirements are very difficult, it's always go back to the collateral, right?
02:01But then, you know, or the government bank requests for ESD report.
02:06But there is no regulation or nothing, you know, about the ESD report that SME would understand, you know, where
02:15do I get the report or how do I do that?
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