00:07The impeachment trial of Vice President Sara Duterte
00:08Sa impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte kahapon,
00:11sinabi ni COA State Auditor Cailin Del Campo
00:14na maring tanggapin ang acknowledgement receipts mula sa confidential funds.
00:18Pero sabi rin ni Del Campo,
00:20sa ilang pagkakataon kailangan nilang humingi ng dagdag na pruweba ng mga gastusin.
00:24Ilang beses ang kainitan ng prosecution and defense team
00:27sa gitan ng cross-examination kay Del Campo.
00:30May unang balita si Joseph Moro.
00:36Nagsisimula pa lamang ang day 15 ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte
00:40na gainitan na ang prosecution at depensa sa gitan ng cross-examination.
00:45Your Honor, the counsel cannot dictate how I will proceed.
00:48Inalmahan ang prosecution ang paggamit ng depensa ng kopya nila
00:52ng mga dokumento sa cross-examination.
00:54There was no stipulation.
00:56There was no constraint.
00:58Excuse me, counsel.
00:59How we did a comparison, not to belabor the obvious, Your Honor,
01:03but now counsel says, anyway, it's the same.
01:06So if it's the same, what's the objection to using the prosecution's document?
01:10Pinunari ng prosecution ang paraan ng pagtatanong ng depensa.
01:14Ang nakalagay po kasi sa JC Under 4.8.5 is proof of success.
01:18Your Honor, please.
01:19Let the witness answer, Your Honor.
01:21Your Honor, please.
01:22Mr. Besiding Officer, can the counsel be instructed not to stop the witness at mid-sentence, Your Honor?
01:32Your Honor, please.
01:32Can the witness be directed?
01:34Do you just answer with yes or no?
01:35The counsel has her time to ask clarificatory questions later during redirect, Your Honor.
01:41Not all questions can be answered by yes or no.
01:44I am on cross, Your Honor, please.
01:45Misleading questions are not allowed on cross.
01:48They are allowed.
01:48I don't think I need to lecture you that.
01:50The counsels, let's not allow the generational or seeming generational divide increase the tension in the courtroom.
01:59Let's keep it a notch lower.
02:02Your Honor, please.
02:03I am preventing myself from giving her a spanking, Your Honor.
02:08You are all members of the bar and you are all counsels for the parties.
02:13And we will be treating and looking at each one equally.
02:17At Ms. Aileen, Ms. Aileen.
02:19Yes, Your Honor, I promise to henceforth behave.
02:23I have high respect for Atty. Kapunan.
02:26In fact, she's one of my idols.
02:27You can end there, counsel.
02:28Let's end here.
02:29Let's end here.
02:30You can end there with high respect.
02:31It might sound like a eulogy, Your Honor.
02:34I'm still very much alive.
02:36Ang mga komento ni Council for the Prosecutors,
02:38Atty. Lord, nakapunan-pinalagan ni Atty. Christine Ferrer ng Depensa.
02:43I would like to ask this court to not allow side comments like,
02:48I was about to spank her, I was about to lecture her.
02:52Kasi yung mga ganun, Your Honor, wala ho yung lugar dito sa courtroom.
02:58Because we are all lawyers here, we are all professionals.
03:01Igalang naman ho natin yung kapwa natin na lawyer.
03:04Well, halimbawa, at kagaya nito, mas matanda ho sa akin si Atty. Kapunan.
03:09Maybe she has more years of experience.
03:11She has 48 years.
03:12I have 15.
03:13We should learn to respect each other and refrain from making side comments,
03:18Oh, Your Honor.
03:19And that was captured by the media po.
03:21Atty. Kapunan withdrew that statement earlier, if I remember correctly.
03:25Yes, Your Honor.
03:26In fact, I hope it was also part of the records that I promised to behave.
03:32Sa cross-examination, binigyan diin ang depensa na sa ilalim ng joint circular,
03:37hindi otomatikong humihingi ng resibo at pwede na ang acknowledgement receipts.
03:42Pero paglilinom ng koa, humihingi sila ng ibang pruweba
03:45para sa ibang confidential na gastusi na walang naibigay
03:48ang bisik kundi mga acknowledgement receipts lamang.
03:51Pwede bang gamitin ang other record, adequate records sa pagbili ng bagay-bagay?
03:58Opo, pwede po.
03:59So, tables, chairs, pwede ng adequate records at hindi kailangan official receipts sa lahat ng panon?
04:04Depende sa kalagayan at sitwasyon.
04:06Pero po kasi, ito po ay nagpa-pertain sa purchases.
04:10So, mas sufficient po sa amin kung maipapakita yung sales invoice at official receipts po.
04:18Ipinunto pa ng depensa na wala sa notice of disallowance ng koa sa OVP
04:22ang mga nakakatawang pangalan gaya ng Mary Grace Piatos, Pati Ting at Migi Mango.
04:28Wala pong finding si Ikfaw on the names, on the use of fictitious names or aliases.
04:35Nasa notices of disallowance po ba yun?
04:39Wala pong nakalagay sa notices of disallowance.
04:42If the name appears to be funny, does that automatically mean that the name is fictitious?
04:50Your Honor, please, the question is misleading.
04:53The point of flashing these acknowledgement receipts were not the names.
04:57They were flashed because of the manner by which the funds were used.
05:02Attorney Gabonan, you have to admit, you had fun with the names too.
05:06So, let her cross the witness.
05:08Hindi mo masasabi na porket nakakatawa yung pangalan, eh peke na yun.
05:13Yun ba yung sinasabi ninyo?
05:15Parang hindi po ako makakasagot dun sa tanong na gano'n.
05:21Okay, basta walang findings na gano'n, no?
05:24Tinokoy rin ang depensa ang nakalakip sa liquidation itong Protective Intelligence Operation Report
05:29kung saan nakaditalya ang mga aktibidad ng BICE at ang pinaggamitan ng pondo
05:34para masigurong ligtas siya sa pagdalo sa mga ito.
05:36Papasok ko yan sa intelligence or normal work lang yan ng OVP?
05:41Sa intelligence.
05:43Profiling of participants who will be attending the event provided by organizers.
05:47Part 2 ba yan ng normal na function ng OVP?
05:51Or papasok ko siya sa intelligence work?
05:55Sa intelligence work po.
05:57Ibahin natin ang payment for reward at payment for information.
06:00Ang payment for reward, yun ang hinahanapan mo ng success.
06:05Opo, tama po.
06:06Yung payment of information, hindi mo hinahanapan ng success yun?
06:10Hindi po.
06:11Tama po ba?
06:11Opo, tama po.
06:12So yung reward, kaya yung reward ang dinisalaw at yung information, hindi mo dinisalaw yung bayad na yun, di ba?
06:18Hindi po, hindi po na dinisalaw yung purchase of information.
06:21Tanong ni Kapunan, bakit ginamit ang pondo dito ngayong may sariling Vice President Security Group ang BICE na sinuswelduhan?
06:29Dapat din daw ay kinokoordinate ito sa law enforcement agencies na hindi raw ginawa ng BICE.
06:34The office of the Vice President has no less than 300, 400 security guards.
06:43If the security guards are being paid salaries, should these salaries be debited or reimbursed from confidential funds?
06:55Isa po, yung salaries po, hindi po siya pwedeng i-charge sa confidential fund.
07:00May finding ba kayo sa notices of these allowances nyo, both first and second notices, na yung VPSPG ay nagre
07:09-receive ng payments for reward and purchase of information from the confidential funds of the office of the Vice President?
07:18Isa pa sa ipinupunta ng prosecution, bahagi ba ng mandato ng opisina ng Vice President at Department of Education na
07:26magkaroon ng mga confidential funds?
07:29Sa madaling sabi, dapat ba na meron siyang confidential funds? Sabi ng prosecution, hindi. Sabi naman ng depensa, ibinigay ito
07:36sa BICE.
07:37Kasama ba sa mandato ng isang Vice President ang confidential operations?
07:45Kung based po doon sa nakalagay sa mandato nila, hindi po.
07:49Noong 2022, the fourth quarter of 2022, alam mo ba ninyo na in-approve ng Office of the President ang
07:57confidential funds ng OVP?
08:01Based po sa mga documents na nasubmit sa amin, opo, meron pong approval.
08:05Noong 2023, nasa general appropriations, ako yung confidential funds ng OVP.
08:14Tama po?
08:15Based po sa mga submissions sa amin, opo, nasa gaapo.
08:18Bago magtapos ang impeachment trial, tumayo si Lead Defense Counsel, Atty. Sheila Sison.
08:23Inreklamo niya ang social media po si Private Prosecutor Atty. Amando Ligutan.
08:28Nakasaad sa post sa hindi pwede ang misleading questions sa cross-examination.
08:33Walang pinatungkulan pero sa tingin ng depensa, ay patungkol ito sa nakon ng sinabi ni Atty. Ferrer.
08:38This was posted at 11.29 a.m. by one of the private prosecutors, Atty. Amando Virgil Ligutan.
08:47I find it troubling that a private prosecutor would do this in the middle of a courtroom hearing.
08:56Paglilinaw ni Sison ang tinutukoy raw ni Ferrer na pinahihintulutan ay ang leading questions at hindi misleading questions.
09:03Atty. Ferrer was only saying that leading questions are allowed on cross-examination.
09:10I really just find it in bad taste to do this at this time.
09:15And I think it is inappropriate to do that to a fellow member of the bar.
09:19Because even as we sit on the opposing side of this hall, we remain to be both members of the
09:27bar.
09:28And as officers of the court, we owe each other respect, you know, politeness or even kindness.
09:36Naroon si Atty. Ligutan pero sa susunod na trial na lamang daw siya pa sasagutin.
09:41Nagpaliwanag naman si Ligutan sa media.
09:44With all the respect po, kung babasahin doon, I am asking you, did I mention a name?
09:51Did I mention what case? Zero. Nothing. Nada.
09:58Si presiding officer Chisa Scudero nagbabala sa magkabilang panig na huwag magsalita tungkol sa merits ng kaso.
10:05One side has been crossing the line many, many times.
10:09And in fact, the presiding officer is already in the process of drafting a ruling and a warning and an
10:18order pertaining to this.
10:21Because clearly, I can even name all of you who have been commenting on social media in violation of Rule
10:2918 of the impeachment rules.
10:30Sa susunod na linggo ay nakatakotan ng Mistigo ang dalawang disbursement officer.
10:35What do you hope to hear or what do you expect to hear from the witnesses next week?
10:39Kung faulty yung resibo, kung faulty yung acknowledgement receipts,
10:43then definitely dapat makapagbigay ng testimonya yung special disbursing officers kung saan ba talaga napunta yung pera,
10:51kung kanino ba talaga na ibigay or na-release yung mga pondo,
10:55at kung totoo or hindi yung mga resibo and yung mga dokumento na na-submit sa liquidation.
11:01So ang exciting next week in a way is yung tatlong witnesses na pinapatawag
11:06or apat na witnesses na pinapatawag ng prosecution were all employed by the Vice President at some point.
11:12So hindi natin alam if they will be just a normal, ordinary witness
11:17or makakakita tayo today, next week rather, nung konsepto ng hostile witness.
11:22Ito ang unang balita, Joseph Morong, GMA News.
11:27Baka po sa tutukan po ang GMA News Special Coverage,
11:31the Vice President on Trial, tuwing Lules hanggang Merkules.
11:36Maso sumaybayan yan via live stream sa GMA News, Facebook at YouTube.
11:40Pati sa gmanetwork.com at gmanews.tv.
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