00:03Hi everyone and thanks for tuning in. Today we're joined by a very special guest, our
00:07celebrity astrologer Debbie Frank. Debbie has a whole list of A-listers among her clientele,
00:12including the late Princess Diana. But today the big story that has got everyone talking,
00:18it's been rumbling on for a few days, a couple of weeks now, is are Ben Affleck and Jennifer
00:23Lopez really getting back together? Now we know that the couple dated in the early noughties,
00:28they got engaged, they made a film together, but 19 years on, did anyone see Jennifer 2.0 happening?
00:35So Debbie, you've had a look at their charts now and can you tell us, is our Ben and J
00:41-Lo really,
00:42was this reunion really written in the stars? Was it on the cards?
00:46What's fascinated me is that when they first got together in 2002, the node, which is the karmic
00:53point, was there on it. And guess what? 19 years later, here we are and it's just been on it
01:01again.
01:01So I don't think it's an accident that things have been rekindled, but the big question is,
01:07is it really the big love or is it something about unfinished business? I think it really will be a
01:14fun
01:14summer for them because we've got Mars, the planet of desire going through Cancer and Leo through across
01:20a lot of their planets. And so I think they really will stick together for this time and have a
01:27fun
01:27time. And then also there's an eclipse on this karmic point, the destiny point on June the 10th.
01:34And I'm looking at that and I feel that that is one of the big deciding factors. So we'll have
01:40to wait
01:40and see because it might be, they're both super idealistic, I would say. I mean, not so great at
01:48the nitty gritty of relationship. Okay. And were you, were you surprised, you know, were you surprised
01:55that they were suddenly, that there was a possible reunion? Not at all, because, you know, on so many
02:01levels, you know, they are a match because they're both Leo's sons. So they enjoy treating each other
02:08as the king and queen of the Hollywood jungle. And more than that, the moon, which is, you know,
02:14what you really like emotionally, they both have the same moon in Scorpio. That's a very intense,
02:19very passionate moon. So it's very hard of them to let go of each other. It's like that old
02:25Eagle song, Hotel California, you know, you can check out, but you can never leave, you know,
02:30so they're kind of perhaps always in the back of each other's minds. But there is some
02:35incompatibility as well. I mean, they both want to be number one, that's the Leo thing,
02:40they're kind of both stubborn, they both think they're right. And, you know, not being able to
02:46handle the nitty gritty, not being able to really get through those sort of tougher times,
02:52it's not exactly conducive to long term relationships. But it's certainly the stuff
02:59of headlines, it's certainly the stuff of romance that they have between them.
03:04When they first started the dating, Ben had just had his Saturn return, which everyone gets when
03:10they're 29 to 30. So when you have that, you often want to settle down. So he was kind of
03:15ripe for the
03:15picking, you know, he's a couple of years younger than her. And because he's got that Saturn link,
03:21which falls onto her Venus, she also wanted a serious relationship. You know, expansive Jupiter
03:29was also moving into Leo. So it made it the most fun relationship ever. That's why it took off like
03:34a rocket when they got engaged kind of four months later. But then when they broke up, Ben had Saturn
03:41on his Venus and on his Ascendant. And, you know, Saturn's one of those planets, it's the big decider.
03:47So you either commit or you separate, it's make or break, marriage or quits, and they quit.
03:53So I'm not convinced it's actually about media headlines. I think it's a bit deeper than that.
04:01And I think they both wanted more freedom. And, you know, it was just like a surprise move,
04:08really, for both of them. Because the planet Uranus, which is the most volatile planet of them all,
04:13was also activating both of the Mars planets. And that means that you just suddenly wake up
04:22one morning and think, oh, I can't do this anymore. So, you know, that's what was really going on.
04:27And you mentioned Alex, how Alex is also in Leo. Could you see their split coming? Was there
04:33something, you know, written in the stars there for their relationship?
04:37Sadly, yes, I can see. Because Alex, actually, he has the Moon in Pisces. And at the moment,
04:45a very rare aspect is going on his chart, which only comes around once every, once in a lifetime,
04:51once every 156 years. So, I mean, you know, Neptune on your Moon is very dissolving and it's
04:57very disappointing. So it probably feels like such a double betrayal that she's left him not only that,
05:04she looks like she's going back to Ben. So there's a kind of lostness really on his chart,
05:10a lot of upset that he just cannot hold the relationship together. I think it would be
05:15unlikely for them to get back together at this point. I think it's, I think there's a lot of
05:20sadness. And I think there's a kind of tenderness between them, perhaps more tenderness between them
05:27and more intensity between her and Ben. Maybe that's the big attraction factor.
05:31Well, thank you so much, Debbie, for chatting to us. And that's been, yeah,
05:35really interesting and insightful. And thank you, everyone, for tuning in. And
05:39don't forget to head over to hellomagazine.com for all the latest celebrity news.
05:45We'll see you next time.
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