00:00This globally has affected everybody and it's affected everybody in very personal ways.
00:06For example, you had the virus yourself.
00:09How much did that motivate you to look at what can be done next and where we go forward?
00:15Yes, it makes me even more determined to push and shove and shout and prod, if you see what I
00:21mean.
00:22Whatever I can do behind the scenes sometimes.
00:24But yes, I suppose it did partly.
00:30I was lucky in my case and got away with it quite lightly.
00:37But I've had it and I can so understand what other people have gone through.
00:45And I feel particularly for those, for instance, who have lost their loved ones but were unable to be with
00:53them at the time.
00:53That's, to me, the most ghastly thing.
00:56But in order to prevent this happening to so many more people, this is why I'm so determined to find
01:05a way out of this.
01:07I know that we've spoken in the past about your concerns that if we don't act now, we are going
01:13to see more natural disasters.
01:15But you're also saying there that we could see more pandemics like this?
01:19Well, this is what so many of the scientists who understand these things have been trying to say for a
01:24long time.
01:26And it's one of the reasons I tried to get the point across that we should have been treating the
01:33planet as if it was a patient long ago.
01:35So no self-respecting doctor would ever have let the situation, if the planet is a patient, reach this stage
01:44before making an intervention.
01:46Hence, you know, the precautionary principle, which seems to me absolutely essential.
01:51You know, the precautionary principle, which means also for值 a level of practice.
01:52You know, when you test on or lest of liberty, this is the freedom of practice.
01:52It sounds too carrous in your eyes.
01:52But it's like this.
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