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CTP (S4EDecSpecial3) Faith Meets Artificial Intelligence
We sit down with novelist Andrew Gillsmith to talk about Our Lady of the Artilects and the uncomfortable line where artificial intelligence starts to look like consciousness, faith, and moral agency. We dig into a future where an AI reports Marian visions, one claims possession inside a basilica, and a Vatican exorcist is forced to take the case seriously.
• what “artilect” means and why the word matters for AI and sci-fi
• why Marian apparition language changes the usual AI consciousness debate
• the basilica scene, the possession claim, and the Vatican investigation setup
• future geopolitics with economic zones, a revived Holy Roman Empire, and a reformed caliphate
• writing Muslim characters without demonizing believers or flattening real faith
• why Catholic fiction needs to engage culture and go into dark places to bring light
• how the book was republished through Matthew Kelly and what changed
• upcoming audiobook details and why the narrator’s voice matters
• sequel plans and the role of comedy and humor in storytelling
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CTP (S4EDecSpecial3) Faith Meets Artificial Intelligence
We sit down with novelist Andrew Gillsmith to talk about Our Lady of the Artilects and the uncomfortable line where artificial intelligence starts to look like consciousness, faith, and moral agency. We dig into a future where an AI reports Marian visions, one claims possession inside a basilica, and a Vatican exorcist is forced to take the case seriously.
• what “artilect” means and why the word matters for AI and sci-fi
• why Marian apparition language changes the usual AI consciousness debate
• the basilica scene, the possession claim, and the Vatican investigation setup
• future geopolitics with economic zones, a revived Holy Roman Empire, and a reformed caliphate
• writing Muslim characters without demonizing believers or flattening real faith
• why Catholic fiction needs to engage culture and go into dark places to bring light
• how the book was republished through Matthew Kelly and what changed
• upcoming audiobook details and why the narrator’s voice matters
• sequel plans and the role of comedy and humor in storytelling
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00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.
00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.
00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D.
00:12It looks French.
00:13It's not.
00:14It's Leonard without an O.
00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.
00:24Let's get on with the show!
00:25So, joining me today is Andrew Gillsmith, and that's spelled, as you would expect, A-N-D-R-E-W
00:35-G-I-L-L-S-M-I-T-H.
00:40It's Gillsmith, not Gil John Doe.
00:44Sorry, I can't ever pass on the lame puns.
00:48And Andrew is joining us.
00:51He has the book, Our Lady of the Artelux.
00:55Which explores artificial intelligence, consciousness, faith, and what it means to be a human.
01:03If you're not familiar with the term artelux, don't feel left out.
01:08I'm a former IT guy, and I had to look it up.
01:12And why does me being a former IT guy have anything to do with it?
01:17Well, here's the Google definition.
01:19Artelux, our artificial intellects.
01:23Artelux makes perfect sense now that I've heard it.
01:28Or future superintelligent machines.
01:32Well, being in IT and dealing with AI, you would have thought I'd have come across that word before now.
01:38But I didn't.
01:40A term coined by scientist Hugo de Geras.
01:45Never heard of him either.
01:48I actually, you know, it's funny.
01:49It was coined by Hugo.
01:50I'd forgotten about that.
01:51He wrote a book.
01:53He wrote a book, I think, called The Artilect War.
01:56That was, you know, this was maybe 10 years ago.
01:59That was about a future war between, not so much between humanity and artificial intelligence.
02:05But I think humanity that used artificial intelligence and humanity that said, no, we don't want this.
02:12But, you know, it's funny.
02:14I actually forgot about that.
02:15I spoke with Hugo a long time ago when I was first starting to work on this book.
02:20But, yeah, I think to my knowledge, we're the only two people that have used the word artilect in a
02:25book title.
02:26And there probably is good reason for that.
02:29Well, well, hence why I had no idea, apparently.
02:33I'd never come across Hugo before either.
02:38So did you speak with him while you were developing the book that you were using the term?
02:47No, no, not really.
02:49I think I ended up calling him because I saw that his was the only other book that used the
02:55term artilect.
02:56And I think I just wanted to ask him, did anybody know what you were talking about?
03:05Well, I'm sure some now more will know your help getting the word out.
03:13But let's back up.
03:14Where were you born and raised?
03:17Where are you now?
03:18Places you've been in between that sort of thing.
03:21Yeah, so I was born in Evansville, Indiana, grew up there, had a great childhood.
03:27I loved growing up in southern Indiana.
03:30It was my idea.
03:31It still is home.
03:32So my idea of, you know, not exactly paradise, but home.
03:36Went away to school up in New England.
03:39Worked in digital media and early Internet technology in the 1990s in New York.
03:47Spent about 10 years there and then came back to Evansville.
03:51My father was sick at the time and I'd had enough, actually, of New York.
03:56So I was ready to live, to come home.
03:58And then met my wife there.
04:01We had our first son in Evansville and then we ended up moving to Louisville, Kentucky.
04:05And then from Louisville, my job took me ultimately to St. Louis, Missouri, which is where I live now.
04:12The state of misery.
04:15Some would say.
04:16Yeah.
04:18Play on words there.
04:20I have a song.
04:22In fact, I'll tack it on to the end.
04:24States of Confusion, where I poke fun of states.
04:27Missouri is misery, obviously.
04:31California is California.
04:33Michigan.
04:35I'm in Michigan.
04:36Oh, Mish again.
04:38Right?
04:38It's like, oh, no, not them again, kind of thing.
04:46All tongue in cheek and good fun.
04:50Yes.
04:51Listen, if we can't poke fun at each other for the states that we live in, then things are worse
04:57than we thought.
04:59Yes, unfortunately so.
05:01So what did you read Hugo's book or how how did you come across the word that he invented?
05:10You know, I was looking for a term that wasn't robots, essentially, or androids because they're so overused.
05:17You know what I mean?
05:17In science fiction.
05:18And I wonder if it's something that, you know, the people would go, well, what is like, would have kind
05:25of a double take and say, well, what is that?
05:26Because, you know, the book is based on the idea of a Marian apparition or what seems to be a
05:32Marian apparition to these artificial intelligences.
05:35And quite honestly, you know, Our Lady of the Robots just sounds kind of lame.
05:41Our Lady of the Androids is not much better.
05:45So that's how I ended up with this one.
05:47And these are androids because another term that kind of sounds similar and comes to mind is from the Doctor
05:55Who, the dialects.
05:56But they're not androids.
05:59That's right.
06:00They're kind of they're kind of a Borg before the Borg came along.
06:06So you're the original the original assimilators.
06:09Yeah.
06:10Yeah.
06:11So, you know, the the the artalex in my book, this is set about 250 years in the future when
06:16the world looks very different.
06:18Right.
06:18There's economic zones in North America, Western Europe and China.
06:23And then there's a revived Holy Roman Empire, which is, you know, kind of light Catholic integralism.
06:31I don't know if like if you you guys get into that stuff, but, you know, it's it's Catholicism.
06:36It's the state religion, but it's not heavily, heavily enforced.
06:39Right.
06:39This is not it's there.
06:41There's a little bit of flexibility, you know, for for the people living there.
06:45And then there's an Islamic caliphate.
06:46And oddly enough, the the Holy Roman Empire, the revived empire and the caliphate are actually allies in this world
06:54because they face greater pressure from the secularists.
06:58Right.
06:59In the economic zones than they do from each other.
07:01So they found me of my enemy.
07:03A little bit.
07:04Yeah.
07:05Yeah.
07:05But in the the artalex are kind of a luxury item.
07:09I mean, you know, I think at some point somebody describes them as like the way that yachts are in
07:14our world today.
07:15You know, they're really impressive.
07:17There aren't that many of them.
07:19They're kind of a toy for the very, very wealthy.
07:21They're a bit of a status symbol.
07:24And after they start having these these visions, most of the world thinks it's just a hoax or they've been
07:29hacked.
07:30But then one of them shows up in a basilica and it claims to be possessed.
07:34And so the Vatican sends an exorcist to investigate and they hope just dismiss this case and say, no, this
07:41this this is not possible.
07:42This can't be happening.
07:43But of course, things go off the rails.
07:45This is just bad coding or something or bad wiring or or a purposeful coding to deceive.
07:55Exactly.
07:56Yeah.
07:57Now I want to back up a second and mention the rest of that.
08:02The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, but they may be a useful temporary friend, temporary ally going
08:15back to World War Two.
08:16The Soviets were never our ally, per se, but they were a necessary evil partnership against an even worse evil.
08:27Yes, absolutely.
08:29And is that kind of thing play plays out here between Catholics and Islamists?
08:36It's it's what again, it's we're not really on the same page, but that threat's a greater threat.
08:45So we must temporarily partner.
08:48Yeah.
08:49So, you know, again, because it's fiction.
08:52Right.
08:52And it's set in a future.
08:53And there's been some some invented history that's happened.
08:56Right.
08:56That's led to things being the way that they are.
08:58Um, the the caliphate is not is not a fundamentalist Islamic state.
09:05You know, it's it's pretty tolerant.
09:08It's more of a reform like my friend, Dr. Zutty Jester.
09:14Yes.
09:14By the time this who was the author of reform, the battle for the soul of Islam.
09:21So it's more of a moderate Islam.
09:25Correct.
09:26Correct.
09:27And, you know, and as I said, the the the empire is not it's not it's not Catholic fundamentalism.
09:32I mean, it's it's like I said, it's the state religion and it matters.
09:36Right.
09:36It's important to to people.
09:38The church is kind of the almost like the second lung of the of the government.
09:43Kind of like old England used to be the king used to be the like the pope that would be
09:52in the official church of that
09:55that state, although it flopped between Catholicism and Protestantism, the Holy Roman Empire more back along the Constantine era, where
10:10he declared it as the official state religion after seeing the sign of the cross and be turning himself over
10:20to Christ after winning a battle.
10:22Well, you know, the you know, the great the joke that historians always tell it's a it's an old joke.
10:28And it's not that funny, but unless you're hearing it for the first time, right, is about the Holy Roman
10:34Empire.
10:34Right. Which was more like kind of Germainic and a little bit of Italian was that it was not holy,
10:41not Roman and not even really much of an empire.
10:45That's a little bit what's going on here, too.
10:47The the in my book, really, Catholicism has become the religion of the global south.
10:53So it's mainly based in sub-Saharan Africa, in South America, in the Philippines.
11:00There are a few European countries that have kind of.
11:03Which we're seeing that battle today on the African continent between Christianity and Islam.
11:11That's right.
11:13But the the the one of the characters, one of the big characters in the book is he's a Sufi,
11:20which is an Islamic mystic.
11:22And the Sufis are kind of known, you know, in Islam.
11:24I mean, they're viewed very skeptically, I would say.
11:26Well, they're not liked at all by Islamic fundamentalists.
11:28Let's just put it that way.
11:29They have they were always, you know, very interested in dialogue with Christians, with Jews, with people of other faiths.
11:39But he's he kind of has his reasons for for believing what he believes.
11:43And I, you know, what I didn't want to do, I, you know, I don't I have no interest in
11:48demonizing another group.
11:50Right. Of people. Right.
11:51And and and I do think, actually, you know, in our world today, even though we have conflict with Islam.
11:58Right. And particularly with the fundamentalist strain in Islam, like I do.
12:01Not not all Islamists or not all Muslims are Islamists and not all Arab.
12:08I hate to keep repeating it, but I always have to because I'm the author of Terror Strikes Coming Soon
12:15to City Near You.
12:16Yeah.
12:17Not all terrorism is Islamic, though.
12:20So that's the bulk of it today.
12:23Like I go into in my book, the Tokyo is Om Shrinyoko Christian doomsday cultists, which are like today's modern
12:34twelver cultists.
12:36Yeah.
12:36Who feel it's their duty to reign in Armageddon to hasten the return.
12:43So, yeah, even even today.
12:47Right. Like if you know, and I just this has been my own experience in my life.
12:50So that that's all we can work off of as writers.
12:54Right.
12:56Faithful, truly faithful Muslims that I know and have known in my life and I've called friends.
13:01I feel closer to them spiritually than I do to a lot of Western.
13:07Well, than I do to Western atheists who dismiss all faith.
13:12Right.
13:13Who dismiss the whole concept of God and therefore have no love of God whatsoever in them.
13:19Right.
13:19So like that experience, that personal experience of mine is definitely has definitely found its way into the book.
13:27Yeah.
13:28Well, and Martin Luther King Jr.
13:30We God gave us all free will.
13:33We are all our own individual character.
13:35Martin Luther King Jr.
13:37The content of character, not all of anything.
13:40I've got several episodes on collectivist mindsetism.
13:46Right.
13:46The identity politics of the left.
13:49If you look a certain way or you're a certain skin tone or you're this or that,
13:54you belong in this group and you have to must think like everybody in that group.
14:00And that's not how life is.
14:02We are all individuals.
14:05In fact, I'll try to remember to tack on free will individuals song at the end of this episode too.
14:14You know, if you have, you know, as a Catholic, you know, I, I've had some marvelous, beautiful conversations over
14:23the years with Muslim friends about the Virgin Mary, for example, who is incredibly honored and venerated in Islam.
14:31Right.
14:32And that's a point of commonality.
14:34And does it mean like, I don't say that.
14:36For those who know that it's there, the problem is most people only know a particular canned, spun, limited scope
14:48version.
14:48They've never read the Koran like I've read the Koran.
14:52I understand the difference between the Koran and the Suris and all of that.
14:59Those, those are different things.
15:02Yes.
15:03So, you know, I wanted to, I wanted to be respectful and, and, you know, I like in writing the
15:09book, right?
15:10Like there is a dearth of good.
15:12I will just, I'll restrict it to Catholicism.
15:15There's a lack of, of good Catholic literature today.
15:19Okay.
15:20To put it mildly.
15:22And it's a shame because my goodness, you know, the church was the font of Western art and literature going
15:27back to Dante and Michelangelo and Divinity.
15:30I mean, right.
15:30But even more recently, J.R.R.
15:32Tolkien.
15:35C.S.
15:35Lewis.
15:36Yes.
15:37Lewis.
15:38Um, uh, my favorite sci-fi author of all time, Gene Wolfe, an absolutely devout Catholic who wrote the book
15:44of the new son.
15:45Widely regarded, I would say, by people who are like really into sci-fi is the greatest sci-fi novel
15:50ever done.
15:51A lot of sci-fi have religious themes in it.
15:56But we, we've gotten away from it.
15:58We've, we've stopped engaging the culture.
16:00And, and part of the problem, in my opinion, is we, we're very, we, we tend to preach to ourselves
16:08only.
16:08You know, so, so we, we write, you know, Catholics are comfortable writing, you know, what I would call, what
16:15others have called Amish romance.
16:17Bats, okay.
16:18You know, it's like, you know, she bats her eyes at him and he bats his eyes back and their
16:22hands, then it's on to the next, you know, and I'm not like, there's a place for that.
16:27And I don't want to, I don't want to dismiss it because it's like, there's real value in that.
16:31But if we want to engage with the world, right, like, like the, the, the agnostics, the, the people who
16:38are seeking, genuinely seeking answers in their life.
16:41Right.
16:41But they haven't yet found God.
16:43They haven't, or they've walked away from God.
16:46We have to be able to go into dark places too, in our art and in our literature, not to
16:51glorify the darkness, but to bring light into it.
16:54Right.
16:55Right.
16:55So that's, that's a big part of, you know, what I hope, I hope I'm doing in this book.
16:59So is this your first book?
17:02This is my first book.
17:04I've, I've, um, I actually wrote it in 2022 and I've done a few other books since, but it got
17:10picked up by, um, Matthew Kelly, um, who's the big, he's probably the bestselling Catholic devotional writer of the last
17:1720 or 30 years.
17:18He, he, he wrote dynamic Catholic and the rhythm of life and just some mega, mega bestsellers.
17:24And, um, somebody got it to him and he liked it and said, Hey, you know, I'd like to kind
17:29of republish this.
17:31And, you know, would you be interested in that?
17:33And I said, Oh, absolutely.
17:34And, you know, I was able to do some revisions to it that I'd always wanted to do.
17:38And they produced this absolutely beautiful edition.
17:41So what year did the republished version come out?
17:45Uh, very recently, just last month.
17:47Oh, okay.
17:48Well, yeah.
17:49For the benefit of the transcript and the audio, cause the audio will air later than the video does.
17:56We're recording today on Monday, August the 3rd of 2026.
18:02So bear that in mind when you hear the, what he just said.
18:08The audio book is version is coming soon.
18:11Um, I'm really excited about that.
18:13That was recorded by a British, um, Ghanaian, um, actor named Kobna Holdbrook Smith, who was actually in one of
18:20my all time favorite movies, which was Paddington Bear.
18:23Oh, the second Paddington movie.
18:27What a difference, huh?
18:29Yeah.
18:30He's a, he's a, he's just a tremendous actor.
18:33Uh, and I'm very, very excited about that too.
18:37So how did that come about?
18:40You know, I, I reached out to his people and said, would you, would he be open to doing this?
18:45Um, and you know, we had kind of a back and forth and I was talking with a few other,
18:49um, a few other actors,
18:51but I kept coming back to, um, Kobna because his voice just carries, um, so much spiritual weight and moral
19:03seriousness, I guess,
19:04which is funny for somebody that was in Paddington too, but you'll know what I mean.
19:10I mean, it's, it's just got this resonant, deep, beautiful voice with a slight British and West African, um, accent.
19:17And that, that also kind of fits the international, you know, character of the book.
19:21To give it a little international flavor, exactly like the book that makes sense.
19:27Yeah.
19:27You don't want a, uh, uh, no offense intended to any, you know, I know hillbillies.
19:35They got no problem being called a hillbilly, but you don't want a hillbilly sounding voice and accent in there.
19:43I mean, um, you know, uh, it works really well in some things.
19:47I mean, Flannery O'Connor, you know, that hillbilly, hillbilly narration for Flannery O'Connor would work really, really well.
19:54And she's one of the all time greats.
19:57Right.
19:59To, to everything, there is a season for all things, there is a place and it can be tough sometimes
20:06finding that right fit and there can always be second guessing.
20:13No doubt.
20:14No doubt.
20:15Is there another book in development?
20:18Yes.
20:19Um, several actually.
20:20So this will be a trilogy.
20:23Um, there's a second book that I, I'm working on, um, that picks up kind of where this one leaves
20:29off.
20:29And it's called, um, a cloud of unknowing, which is, um, named after a medieval book of Catholic mystical prayer
20:38called The Book.
20:39Not to be confused with Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.
20:42Not that one.
20:44Well, um, and so, uh, that one kind of picks up where this leaves off and gets a little bit
20:49deeper into some of the, um, I guess some of the mysteries, um, in the book.
20:54And then there'll be a third that, that brings it to its conclusion.
20:56And then I've, you know, I've got a couple of other series that I've written.
21:00Um, um, my favorite one to write is actually, uh, comedy.
21:05Um, I, I love comedy.
21:07Um, my favorite author of all time is PG Woodhouse.
21:10Um, and I love Douglas Adams who did A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
21:14Um, Terry Pratchett, you know, did the Discworld books.
21:18And this one is, um, it's kind of like, it's, it's a, it's a satire of Hollywood set in outer
21:24space where, you know,
21:26there's this kind of galactic entertainment company that kind of rules the, you know, rules the galaxy.
21:31And they think everything revolves around them.
21:34And they've been running this.
21:35No, not at all.
21:37Like Hollywood.
21:38Not at all.
21:39Yeah.
21:39They've been running this reality TV show about a planet for 10,000 years.
21:44But the problem is it's about to get incinerated by a wonder, by a rogue star.
21:49And so they're, they're trying to, you know, maximize their profits as this, it's poor, these poor people on this
21:56planet are about to get completely, you know, annihilated.
21:59Yeah.
21:59Uh, so what you, you sound, you, you've already said you're, you're almost your preferred genre is comedy.
22:10The way I see it in the other books have some comedy in it, I take it.
22:15Yes.
22:16Because things I always say, even in my terror strikes book, there's a comic relief chapter because things can be
22:24so serious.
22:25You've got to keep a sense of humor.
22:28Uh, you've mentioned a few different authors.
22:31I'm going to mention a musical group like the Cypress Hill, if you're familiar at all with them.
22:37But if we don't maintain a sense of humor, all will go insane in the membrane.
22:45Well, you know, I mean, I think comedy is actually the hardest thing to write.
22:51It can be.
22:52Yes.
22:53You know, because it's like, it's so, it's all about timing.
22:55Like it, like I, I actually detest most modern comedy because it's, generally speaking, it's crass, toilet humor, sexual humor,
23:05and innuendo.
23:06And also just like being snarky and mean and condescending.
23:10And I mean, I'm not going to tell you that I've never made jokes like that, you know, but like,
23:15I think there's a higher level of humor, you know, what I mean?
23:19And so, you know, situational comedy and like, you know, putting people in these like awkward situations and just seeing
23:25how, you know, various personality quirks kind of come together.
23:29That is always very interesting.
23:31Yeah, I'm going to tell you one of my favorite Joe original jokes because I used to do a co
23:38-host Savage Dunn Filtered show.
23:41And I was Raging Joe and Jokester Joe over there.
23:46King of the lame puns.
23:47Here's a Joe original for you, Shakespeare, right?
23:51To be or not to be is truly the question.
23:54Because if it's 2B, I got bingo.
24:01That is terrible and brilliant at the same time.
24:05Exactly.
24:06Exactly right.
24:07But it's, it's, I'll tell you my favorite bluer one.
24:12It's PG-13-ish.
24:15It's okay for the broadcast.
24:17It's okay for the broadcast.
24:19I try to stay rated G on my podcast, but a guy walks into a bar and asks for, says
24:27to the bartender, give me a Coke with a Viagra in it.
24:31The bartender looks at him kind of funny.
24:34He says, yeah, I need a really stiff drink.
24:37Ba-dum-bum.
24:42I mean, so, yeah, you can have jokes without being mean or nasty.
24:50And that is indeed the harder type of humor to write.
24:55And many people will roll their eyes at those jokes.
24:59But I write for Suno.
25:02In fact, I'm going to write down another one.
25:04And I'm going to put Jamaican Me Crazy with these puns to a parody I wrote for my friends in
25:13the Caribbean.
25:14No, it's not cultural appropriation.
25:18It's an homage to my friends on the island, right?
25:22Irie, man.
25:23It's all about, yeah, even a good, even a lame pun is a good, good one, man.
25:30Yes?
25:30It reminds me of the, there's the Woodhouse, P.G. Woodhouse, my favorite author.
25:34And he wrote the Jeeves stories about the British butler who, you know what I mean?
25:38It's hilarious stuff, right?
25:40Just very, like, high society spoof of, like, England in the 1920s.
25:46And there was a scene in one of his books where one of the characters was saying, like, well, my
25:52wife won't be able to attend.
25:54She's, you know, she's going on a cruise to the Caribbean.
25:57And somebody says, oh, Jamaica?
26:00And he said, no, she went on her own volition.
26:03Right.
26:04I saw that joke coming.
26:06Yes.
26:07I saw.
26:08Because that's exactly my type of humor.
26:11Exactly.
26:12And I like all the Alaska jokes, right?
26:17Do you know?
26:18No, but Alaska.
26:25All right.
26:26This interview has gone off the rails.
26:29But that's good.
26:30I'm glad that we're exposing that you've got a sense of humor and you don't take yourself too, too seriously.
26:39Because there are some people that take themselves far too seriously on this world.
26:44Yes.
26:45Amen to that.
26:48Okay.
26:49Well, to start to wrap things up already, then, do you have a website for people to find you?
26:57Yes.
26:58You can go to www.ourladyoftheartilects.com.
27:05You can also find me on Twitter.
27:08I'm Andrew Gillsmith.
27:11You can also find the book on Amazon or anywhere that you buy books.
27:16Right.
27:17Per usual.
27:19Yeah.
27:19Amazon's still about where most books are sold.
27:22So you got to like Jeff Bezos or not, you got to be there.
27:27That's right.
27:29Well, thank you, Andrew Gillsmith, for stopping by.
27:33I appreciate it.
27:34It was a great discussion.
27:36You have yourself a great day.
27:38Take care.
27:38God bless.
27:40Thank you, Joseph.
27:41Appreciate it.
27:45Welcome to the States of Confusion.
27:50U.S. of A United we sit, where once we used to stand, are playing different tunes, no longer the
28:03same band.
28:12Woke up in Massachusetts, land of the free and the tax.
28:15Harvard elites sipping lattes, telling us how we should act.
28:19From Boston to Cambridge, it's all mass hysteria.
28:22Protests in the streets while they're counting their hysteria.
28:25Yelling about tolerance, but cancel you quick if you disagree.
28:29Welcome to the people's republic of doers, I say.
28:35Not as we, we're living in the states of confusion.
28:39Coast to coast, it's the same.
28:42Red states, blue states, everybody playing the playing game.
28:49From sea to shine, see it's one big comedy.
28:52States of confusion.
28:54Oh, Lord, have mercy on me.
29:00Drive through Missouri, show me state, turn state of misery.
29:04Gateway Arch, standing tall over myth labs and barbecue misery.
29:08Kansas City steaks, but the heartland's feeling the squeeze.
29:13Fly over country, getting forgotten.
29:16While the coats do as they please.
29:19Show me the money, show me the job, show me where the hope went.
29:22Cause right now, Missouri's just one long state.
29:27A misery lament.
29:31Then there's California, sorry I mean, California dream.
29:34Where the stars all glitter and the taxes make you scream.
29:37Silicon Valley billionaires preaching, save the planet from their jets.
29:41While homeless tents line the sidewalks and the middle class just forget.
29:44Legal weed in the morning, illegal everything by night.
29:49California, where the sun shines bright.
29:54But the future ain't right.
29:58Now back to my own backyard, the great Michigan.
30:02Once mowed a city muscle, now rust and regret on the brain.
30:05Detroit went bankrupt, but the taxes still keep on rising.
30:08Politicians promise jobs while the factories keep on closing.
30:12Great lakes to blisten.
30:14But the economy's in the tank.
30:17Michigan.
30:17Yeah, we're trying real hard, but we just keep falling back.
30:22And don't get me started on Illinois.
30:25The state of Illinois.
30:26Chicago corruption running deep like that deep dish void.
30:30Politicians grinning while the taxes keep on rising high.
30:33Windy city blowing smoke, making honest folks want to cry.
30:36Springfield to the suburbs.
30:39Everybody's getting fleeced.
30:42Illinois is hell, yeah.
30:45This state's a straight up beast.
30:47Now we hit Texas.
30:48Lone Star State of Texas.
30:50Pride oil barons riding high.
30:52While the grid fries nationwide.
30:54Austin weirdos dancing with cowboys in the heat.
30:57Border talking ballads can't keep the chaos off repeat.
31:00Big trucks, bigger hats and politics that fight.
31:03Texas.
31:04Yeehaw.
31:05Freedom.
31:05But the power's out tonight.
31:07We're living in the states of confusion.
31:10From mass hysteria to California, sure.
31:14State of misery in the middle, Michigan.
31:17And in Illinois, forevermore.
31:21Red, blue, purple.
31:23We're all confused as can be.
31:26States of confusion.
31:29But it's still the land of the free.
31:35Lord have mercy.
31:36States of confusion.
31:39Yeah, that's now status of the people we.
32:00Free will, individually created.
32:06God gave us all free will.
32:11Gave it as individuals to both you and me.
32:19Not collectivist mind, high of bees.
32:24Not even exactness in identical twins.
32:30Thinking otherwise ungodly hubris.
32:35Sin wins.
32:38Free will.
32:40Individually created.
32:43God gave us all.
32:46Free will.
32:49Gave it as individuals to both you and me.
32:55Not collectivist mind, high of bees.
33:00Not even exactness in identical twins.
33:06Ungodly hubris.
33:08Thinking otherwise and I got ignorance.
33:15Ungodly hubris when, when we forget the spark.
33:21You and I, we don't arrive from one stamp to mold.
33:26Free will.
33:28Free will.
33:29Free will.
33:30You and me.
33:32Free will.
33:34Free will.
33:35Not a hive to be.
33:38Free will.
33:40Free will.
33:41Made uniquely.
33:45Leo.
33:46Leo.
33:46Leo.
33:47Not just you and me.
33:51One face, one step, one name.
33:54Still two different hearts.
33:57Same blood, same room, same sky.
34:00Still two different marks.
34:03I won't call the soul a row of matching parts.
34:08We bend, we choose, we burn.
34:11We learn, we learn where we start.
34:16Ungodly hubris when, to make us all the same.
34:21I was made to answer, you were made to name.
34:27Free will.
34:28Free will.
34:30You and me.
34:32Free will.
34:34Free will.
34:35Not a hive to be.
34:38Free will.
34:40Free will.
34:42Free will.
34:42Made uniquely.
34:46Not just you and me.
34:50If you try to number grace, you lose the living flame.
34:56If you try to copy well.
34:59You break the sacred frame.
35:03So let the two of us.
35:06Stand in our own skin.
35:09Free to turn.
35:11Free to choose.
35:12Free to begin.
35:15Free To begin.
35:21A billion souls inhabit this world.
35:27To believe, identical thought, pool discredit.
35:32To God's free will gets low.
35:47Free will, free will, you and me
35:53Free will, free will, not a heart to be
35:59Free will, free will, made unique
36:05Free will, free will
36:08For both you and me
36:19Now, na na na na na na
36:21Na na na na na na
36:24Na na na na na na
36:26Na na na na na
36:28Na na na na na na
36:30Talkin' and jokin', two clowns in one breath
36:35Every line a bad line and still I run the same game
36:40Jamaican me crazy, but I love this lane
36:45I read in the word play, even when it's lame
36:49Jamaican me crazy with these puns, my man
36:51I read in that joke, big, big fan
36:54If it make you grown, then it can't just one
36:56Cause a lame little pun still a good, good one
36:59Jamaican me crazy with these puns again
37:01Laugh till we cry, then we start up again
37:04If it land a flop, we still havin' fun
37:06Cause a lame little pun still a good, good one, oh yeah
37:10Walkin' to the bar, say, bartender arm
37:12You say you had enough, I say, I'm just begun
37:14Conny like the cornmeal, sweet like cocoa bread
37:17I put the joke on the plate, you put your palm on your head
37:19Who ready for a bad line? I read
37:21Who ready for a worse one still? Oh no
37:24If you grown, that's the punchline
37:26That's the whole big thrill
37:27We laugh at the fail, we rewind the run
37:30Cause the joke on the joke is the real, real fun
37:32That puns, my man
37:33I read in that joke, big, big fan
37:36If it make you grown, then it can't just one
37:38Cause a lame little pun still a good, good one
37:41Jamaican me crazy with these puns again
37:43Laugh till we cry, then we start up again
37:46If it land a flop, we still havin' fun
37:48Cause a lame little pun still a good, good one
38:02Need to keep a sense of humor
38:03Even a lame pun is a good one, talkin' and jokin'
38:07Sorry man, of that joke, I'm a big fan
38:10Jamaican me crazy with all these lame puns
38:14Again I said alright, lots of fun
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