00:01I'd say it's packed. It's so jam-packed. There isn't really a moment to come up for breath and like
00:08we see that in the first episode. I think I'm allowed to say this because it's been released but honestly
00:13it continues throughout the entire season. It's just event after event after event. It's sort of, it's the culmination of
00:20everything that's happened before. We're now seeing the results of all those choices. Would you agree with that?
00:26I would agree. Exactly what they said there. It is, when I read the scripts way back whenever that was,
00:32my thoughts were that it was a really good perfect mix of political intrigue, emotion and the usual violence and
00:40bloodletting. And it continues throughout the season. I think the tension is palpable.
00:48So yeah, I would agree.
00:49I'd agree.
00:52My response, when I read that, I was like, oh my God, this is amazing, but I just don't know
00:57how they're going to make, how they're going to do this. And then our director Lonnie called and said, I
01:04want to talk you through it. So I went into the studio and he showed me all of the previous
01:08stuff, showed me all the models. And then we went to the tank and he said, it's going to be
01:12like this. Because one of the things that's so important, and again, it's down to your performance.
01:16Again, I love that. I keep telling this, how wonderful that performance is. But the great thing about any of
01:25these shows that what they live on, live or die on or stand or fall on is the emotional reaction
01:30that you have with the character.
01:32So that when they have a death or any kind of negativity or whatever, you as an audience go, oh
01:42my God, I feel for it. Because you know them, you've lived with them.
01:44And so one of the things that was so important was to draw the emotional journey through the fight was
01:52so important through the battle. And I think having seen it twice now, I think that Lonnie did a terrific
01:57job.
01:57Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. I mean, when I got the script, I was like, you're
02:02joking.
02:06Just because I just found it so funny. The first scene, the reading of going off the cliff and then
02:13just like we hear Raina's screams.
02:14I was like, that is so funny and brilliant. And I guess because we've only really seen Raina sort of,
02:21you know, on the journey, not in the actual event of anything.
02:25So it was so exciting, but like so silly. I really, it wasn't really computing to me that it was
02:30actually going to happen.
02:31I just thought, wow, that's camp. And then, and then when it got to it, I was like, oh yeah,
02:34this is, you know.
02:37Oh, what is cool this is? I would love to know.
02:39I think there is a, I think of course there is a certain sense of guilt.
02:43And I think if you, and I think the clues are planted there earlier on in other seasons.
02:48When he wakes up from his near fatal injury in season one and learns of his brother's death, his line
02:59is something like, ambition's always been our fault.
03:03He says to his wife at that stage, let's just get out. Because all of season one, he's going, we've
03:08got to get near the throne.
03:09We've got to, you know, we've got to get some power. And then he looks back.
03:12And I think also where we meet him in the beginning of season three, looking back over what he's done,
03:18he will feel that his son is dead.
03:20Well, okay, we know his son isn't dead, but his son is dead because I didn't listen to him.
03:25There's that scene where Rhaenys says to him, words to the effect of, you know, he's gay.
03:30And he goes, yeah, he'll grow out of it. Because all that matters to him, it's getting close to power.
03:36And so I think that he does feel an enormous, maybe not enormous, but he does feel a guilt about...
03:40Wow.
03:41...the stuff that he's done that has caused him to be in the position that he's in, I think.
03:47He's lost so much. When you think back to season one, that's actually crazy. Wow.
03:52What about yourself?
03:53Oh, yeah. I mean, season three, for sure. I think that's sort of... Rhaenys plague is shame and guilt.
04:01And shame is the biggest emotion that will eat you alive. And she's full of it.
04:04That is, like, 90% of her emotional capacity is, like, how much shame she's brought to the family in
04:12not being able to live up to, like, their name.
04:14And then, obviously, the events of episode one. I don't believe she blames Sheepstealer at all.
04:20Oh, wow.
04:20I think she's like, yeah, I think it's really, like, this is on me because who was I to think
04:26that I could control this?
04:27When, like, I mean, arrows are being shot at you, what are you going to do? Like, as a poor,
04:31poor animal, you're going to respond.
04:33And I think that happens pretty quick, which is why it's like, the response on the dragon is not to,
04:38like, you know, beat this dragon up and whatnot.
04:41It's like, I have to succumb to this because this is my own doing.
04:44That's even more heartbreaking.
04:46It is, isn't it?
04:47Oh, my God.
04:48Yeah.
04:48Yeah.
04:49I want to hear you because one of them is your dad, so.
04:53Oh, yeah.
04:53Yeah.
04:54Well, sweet dad.
04:56I think Raina's relationship to Damon shifts after the events of the first episode.
05:03I think previously in her life, she's just yearned for him to have anything to say to her.
05:09And he spent most of her life ignoring her.
05:12And so there's a desperation to be seen by her father.
05:15And then after the events of episode one, she's like, you live your life doing this.
05:20This is eating me alive.
05:21And this is your every day.
05:22Like, who are you?
05:23Who are you to say anything?
05:24I don't need your approval.
05:26I don't need your.
05:26This is at the top, internal.
05:28Still, I need your approval.
05:29Please, dad.
05:30Yeah.
05:31And I think that's her relationship with Damon.
05:33And whereas with Rhaenyra, there's a whole thing of like, why don't you see me like your sons?
05:39Why don't you see me like Baylor?
05:41You, there's, we see in season two, Rhaenyra really put trust in Raina.
05:47And I don't think Raina receives it as trust.
05:49She receives it as dismissal.
05:50And so, yeah, there's a, there's a real heartbreaking element to that of like, I only wish you could see
05:56me as you see all the other kids.
05:58Yeah.
05:59I think for Corlys, his relationship with Rhaenyra is a complicated one.
06:05Yeah.
06:05Because from up until, how many of these have you seen?
06:09The first four episodes.
06:10Just the first one.
06:11No, the first four, sorry.
06:12The first four.
06:12Okay.
06:13So, prior to this season, he was always sure of her claim.
06:21Whenever he was in her presence, he felt, yeah, she was doing the right thing and she was doing her
06:25best.
06:26But whenever he was away from her and looked at stuff, he was always like death and destruction seems to
06:31follow this woman everywhere.
06:32I've lost a son because of her.
06:33I've lost a daughter because of her husband.
06:36Do you know what I mean?
06:36And then he's lost his grandkids.
06:38And so I feel like it all comes to a head in episode three, when he has that outburst where
06:47he's just like, I have, I have sacrificed so much.
06:51I've asked you for one thing, make my sons legitimate and you'll give me all this clap.
06:56When, when your kids came along, I was just like, yeah, those are my grandkids and I love them and
07:02you can't do this for me.
07:03And so he does something which when I read it, I was like, oh my God, he's taking his life
07:07in his hands.
07:07But at the same time, he's like, because of course, that's how his brother died.
07:11Yeah.
07:11But then at the same time, he's like, no, I'm right.
07:14And I dare you.
07:14And also what's there to lose at this point?
07:16Yeah. Yeah.
07:16And I dare you.
07:17So I think certainly by then it is, it's not all at war with her, but he's just like, because
07:24then what he does subsequently in the season is just go, I don't want anything to, I don't want to
07:27be near these people.
07:29And also it gives his son a chance.
07:31And with Daemon, he's always been a bit wary.
07:34Daemon is a useful instrument, but you don't want him too close because you can't read him. You can't trust
07:41him.
07:43My response would be to understand that these are two very different medium. There is a way you tell a
07:50story in a book because the person who is participating in the book, the reader, that's a lot of the
07:56work.
07:59Your Rhaenyra might not look like our Rhaenyra. That's fine. Because you're in control. But we're now making something which
08:05is for people who haven't read the book, for people who just want an interesting story.
08:08So there are going to be liberties that are taken. And as long as you understand that, it's fine. What
08:13sometimes, I don't know if it annoys me, but sometimes online people who just can't wait to let people know
08:18this thing happens.
08:19Yeah. And you're like, great. You've read the book. Fine. But other people haven't. Or, well, in the book, I
08:25was asked at the very beginning of this whole thing, had I read the book?
08:30And I said, no, we were given the book. I hadn't read it because they're two very separate things. I
08:35didn't want to fall in love with Corliss in the book and find him to be so different in the
08:40thing.
08:41So I was like, no, no, this is what I'm loyal to is the TV thing. So that's what I
08:47would say. I don't know.
08:48Yeah, I think I think that it's as Steve says, right, like they're two separate entities. Obviously, like it's taken
08:56from the book. And if you've read the book, great.
08:58Like, cool. You know the world. Amazing. You have a much broader understanding. But we're a chapter in the book.
09:03And so what the what the series does is go into the POVs of each of the characters, which you
09:09don't get as much expanse of because the world is so big in the book.
09:12So like if you miss the book, read the book, that would be my thing. Yeah, that's cool. Right. Thank
09:18you.
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