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00:08Hola y bienvenidos a The Ring, Euroniza's weekly debate show,
00:13broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
00:16I'm Maeve MacMathen, and as you know, aquí on The Ring,
00:19members of the European Parliament go face-to-face
00:22on some of the most tricky issues of our time.
00:25This week, as we mark 10 years since the UK voted to leave the European Union,
00:30we're asking if the bloc has changed for the better or worse,
00:34and if the UK could ever, or should, rejoin.
00:37To set the scene, here's our Louise Albertus.
00:42A decade has passed since the UK made the momentous decision to leave the European Union.
00:48We'll take the trouble of time.
00:53After 47 years of membership, the Brexit vote sent shockwaves through Europe
00:58and reshaped Britain as we know it.
01:01Ten years on, seven prime ministers have come and gone,
01:05and this week another one met the same fate.
01:08In an emotional speech at number 10,
01:11Keir Starmer stepped down after days of mounting pressure.
01:15What has Brexit taught Europe about sovereignty, migration,
01:19economic competitiveness, democratic accountability and disinformation?
01:24Has it strengthened the case for European integration?
01:27And with memories of the referendum still shaping the political debate,
01:31could Britain ever consider rejoining the bloc?
01:33Or is that possibility still too politically divisive?
01:40The questions we have for our contenders.
01:43Let's meet them.
01:45Barry Andrews, an Irish MEP from the Liberal Renew Europe Group.
01:49He's the chair of the Committee on Development,
01:52vice chair of the Delegation for Relations with Palestine
01:54and a member of the delegation to the EU-UK Parliamentary Partnership Assembly.
01:59On the 10th anniversary of the Brexit vote, he says,
02:02Brexit was and is a con job.
02:05The UK has not been as invisible and irrelevant on the European stage as it is now,
02:10since, in my view, before the Battle of Agincourt of 1415.
02:16Sandor Smit, a Dutch MEP from the European Conservatives and Reformists Group.
02:21He serves in the Committee on Constitutional Affairs and has also been vice chair of the
02:26Committee on Fisheries earlier in the current parliamentary term.
02:29We still deeply regret Brexit and miss the UK's crucial voice for fiscal and financial discipline in the European Council,
02:37he says.
02:38Our future lies in a stronger partnership.
02:40Let the UK and EU countries move beyond the past and work together as natural sovereign allies.
02:50So, Barry Andrews and Sandor Smit, welcome to The Ring.
02:53Thanks for joining us.
02:54So, here we are, 10 years on.
02:57Has Brexit helped or hindered the European Union, Sandor?
03:00I think it has really hindered the European Union in achieving a union,
03:03which also takes into account several national sensitivities, also protects the national veto.
03:09I think the United Kingdom would have been a very valuable ally for my own member state,
03:15but also for other member states in Council and for my group in particular.
03:19Of course, the ECR Group was founded by the British Conservative Party and we still sorely miss them, I think.
03:25You would agree, I'm sure, Barry Andrews, with that.
03:27The EU is in a weaker place now.
03:29Well, I think definitely the UK is in a weaker place.
03:32I think the European Union has a capacity to evolve
03:34and I think there has been very significant developments in the European Union in the last 10 years and in
03:40the world.
03:41And the basic lesson is that we live in a much more contested world
03:45and we're much better together as an EU 27.
03:49So, I think that we are beginning to learn that lesson.
03:51But for the UK, it has been a total disaster.
03:53What other lessons has Brussels and the EU learned in the past 10 years?
03:57I think we should learn from Brexit, first and foremost,
04:02that we need to respect national sovereignty,
04:05maybe also have tailored membership,
04:08not doing away with the Copenhagen criteria,
04:11but certain opt-outs and not have a one-size-fits-all approach.
04:15And I think not controlling migration,
04:19not taking into account these national specificities
04:22has really also caused Brexit.
04:24So, I think we need to self-reflect a bit.
04:27I think if you did self-reflect,
04:28you would recognise that actually Britain had a very tailor-made membership
04:33of the European Union for an awful long time,
04:35including being outside Schengen,
04:37including being outside the euro,
04:38and having a very, very differentiated form of membership.
04:43And this still wasn't enough on this occasion.
04:45And what has happened since then in the UK
04:48is that there has been a massive peak in migration.
04:51The UK economy has gone down very, very substantially.
04:54As we've just heard in the introduction,
04:56they've had seven prime ministers.
04:57So, this is a state of governance which is absolutely disastrous.
05:00Oh, I absolutely agree.
05:01I just meant that if we as a European Union
05:04want to have the United Kingdom work together with us
05:07or eventually rejoin,
05:09I sense that you would be open to that,
05:11but you can comment on that later,
05:12we need to take into account these specificities.
05:16But now we see the European Commission
05:18and also European leaders evolving towards
05:20a more centralised approach of the Union
05:22with less tailor-made, less opt-outs,
05:25less possibilities to take these national issues.
05:27And we'll come back to that shortly,
05:28but I want to go back to the UK politics,
05:30because, of course, seven prime ministers
05:32have come and gone since the Brexit vote.
05:34Is this because of Brexit,
05:35this political chaos we're seeing in the UK?
05:37Well, I mean, there's nobody looking
05:39to leave the European Union anymore.
05:41And there is a waiting room for membership
05:43that is bursting at the seams.
05:46So, the one big takeaway is that,
05:49I think, in the contested geopolitical world
05:51that we live in now,
05:52we're much better together.
05:53Mark Carney articulated that very well
05:56for middle-sized countries,
05:58for Europe, for Canada.
05:59So, I think Britain has learnt that lesson
06:01in a very difficult way.
06:03Because we remember 10 years ago,
06:04when the vote happened,
06:05Nigel Farage said the European Union was dead
06:07and, quote, finished.
06:09We saw Marine Le Pen, Gerd Filders,
06:11calling for their countries to have a referendum.
06:13That's off the table now.
06:14It's all off the table.
06:15And even Mr. Willis never mentions Brexit
06:18or Brexit anymore.
06:21Never mentioned it.
06:21So, I mean, you know, it's for slow learners.
06:25We now have had a laboratory example
06:28of what happens when you leave the European Union,
06:30when you try to take back control,
06:32when you try to do things by yourself.
06:33It is clear that this has deepened
06:36the European Union's roots.
06:37It has enhanced the European Union's reputation.
06:40And that's why almost all of our neighbourhood countries
06:43are thinking about joining,
06:44including Iceland, including Norway,
06:47including all the Western Balkans
06:48and Eastern Europe.
06:49And what about the situation in the UK?
06:52The EU and the UK were just getting back on track
06:55with those relations.
06:56An EU summit was supposed to be taking place
06:58at the end of July.
06:59It's now off the table.
07:00So what will the latest chaos mean for this relationship?
07:03Two things I would say to the Commission.
07:05First of all, it's right to delay the summit.
07:08Absolutely.
07:09I think the first point is
07:11that you have to anonymise relations with the UK.
07:13You can't...
07:14It can't depend on the personality of the Prime Minister,
07:17particularly where you have Farage
07:19quite high in the opinion polls.
07:21So I think the European Commission
07:23has to recognise this.
07:24Plus, it cannot continue to treat the UK
07:26as an ordinary third country
07:28because the UK is so aligned
07:30with our key interests as Europe.
07:32And I think a lot of UK politicians recognise this.
07:35The Commission has to recognise that too.
07:37And during the very lengthy negotiation period,
07:39the divorce period, if you like,
07:41was the EU fair to the UK, do you think?
07:44I think in many aspects we were very fair.
07:47If I look at fisheries,
07:48we really took a huge portion
07:53out of our fishery rights, etc.
07:55So I think the European Union has been right,
07:57but tough.
07:58I think maybe in some aspects too tough.
08:00So that's also my suggestion.
08:02Let's work together closer.
08:04Let's move past the past bickering
08:07and find new solutions
08:09because I think that will also pave the way
08:11for new candidate member states
08:14like Iceland and Norway.
08:15And if we don't improve the relationship
08:18with the United Kingdom in the future,
08:20I think if we have a referendum in Iceland
08:22upcoming and show signs of that development,
08:24we will eventually end up also losing
08:27these candidate member states
08:28who do fulfil the Copenhagen criteria.
08:32But I just want to bring in an incident
08:34that took place in the European Parliament chamber
08:35just last week in Strasbourg
08:37when MEPs, when you were voting on measures
08:39to increase the deportation of undocumented migrants.
08:42Take a look.
08:47On the agenda, the report by Mrs. Brickmont
08:52on the EU-Pakistan agreement
08:53modification of concessions on tariff rate quotes.
08:59Vote on consent by roll call vote.
09:02The vote is open.
09:12We move to the...
09:17It's adopted.
09:21So a flavour there of what's going on
09:23inside the very European Parliament chamber.
09:25Sander Schmid, what were you chanting?
09:27I was not chanting.
09:28Not...
09:29I don't think chanting belongs in a parliament.
09:31That way I did applaud the outcome
09:33of the result of the vote.
09:35And were you sitting beside the chanters?
09:36Yes, yes.
09:37They were to the left of me,
09:38so in the right-wing groups.
09:43This is a good glimpse of the kind of divisiveness
09:47that we can see right now in politics
09:48right here and, of course, across the pond.
09:50Yeah, look, it was a disgrace.
09:52It was an appalling low point
09:54in my experience in the European Parliament.
09:57I voted against the measure.
09:58I have a very clear conscience about that.
10:01And what I was very disappointed about
10:03was that some members of your party online
10:06described one of our colleagues
10:08who was originally from Iraq
10:10that she should go home.
10:11Now, that should be withdrawn.
10:13That is the subject of a complaint.
10:15And I would put it to you
10:15that you should recognize
10:17that that was a mistake.
10:19Whatever about not chanting in the parliament,
10:21but encouraging one of our colleagues
10:23who wasn't born in the European Union
10:25to go home,
10:26surely that's an unacceptable political approach.
10:29I wasn't there at the incident
10:31that I can't vouch for how it was formulated
10:34by my colleague and how it was intended.
10:37So I think...
10:38I think if we look at the outcome of the result,
10:41everyone who is an EU citizen
10:43who holds the right to be here
10:45can remain in the European Union.
10:47This is about the return of illegal migrants,
10:49illegal aliens
10:50who have penetrated the European Union
10:52without a right to asylum
10:54and to remain here
10:55to return hubs under the full compliance
10:59with EU
11:00and international fundamental human rights.
11:02It's just interesting
11:03because Brexit, of course,
11:04was driven largely by migration concerns
11:06and we're seeing that right now in the EU.
11:07The bloc taking much tougher policies
11:10when it comes to migration.
11:11Has Europe moved closer to the position
11:13that won that Brexit referendum, Barry Andrews?
11:15Yeah, my view is
11:16you can't beat the far right
11:17by becoming far right.
11:19That way they win and you lose.
11:20So I think it is a major mistake here.
11:24I think, you know,
11:25Sanders says there is human rights conditionality
11:29in relation to these return hubs.
11:31But let's not forget
11:32there are human rights clauses
11:33in the EU-Israel Association Agreement
11:36which have been willfully ignored
11:38by the Commission for three years
11:39in spite of the ongoing war crimes,
11:41in spite of the ongoing statements
11:43made by certain Israeli ministers
11:46in relation to European citizens,
11:49in relation to Palestinians and the West Bank.
11:50So I take no comfort
11:52from the presence in this agreement
11:54of human rights conditions
11:55in relation to return hubs.
11:56Quick reaction to that?
11:57I do.
11:58I think that we uphold the rule of law
12:00as European Union
12:01and we will also do this
12:03in the return hub
12:03in safe third countries.
12:06And I think a lot of the Irish voters
12:07will also be disappointed
12:09that you voted against the result
12:10which is the last building block
12:12of the EU migration and asylum pact.
12:14Yeah, some Irish voters will be...
12:16Which you supported in the last term.
12:18Some Irish voters will be disappointed
12:20that I voted against it.
12:21That is correct.
12:22But that's the essence of populism.
12:24That you're determined by,
12:25you know, whatever current...
12:27You know, what I try to explain
12:28to our citizens is that,
12:30yes, we have a new migration
12:31and asylum pact.
12:32It only came into force two weeks ago.
12:34We also have migration conditionality
12:37in a lot of our external relations.
12:39We also have memorandums
12:40of understanding and returns.
12:41And my argument is that
12:42we should let all of this work
12:44before we go down
12:45what was a taboo subject
12:47just a few years ago
12:48about sending families and children
12:51to places they've never
12:52had any connection with
12:53to satisfy this demand
12:57in circumstances
12:58where asylum applications
12:59are going down
13:00in the European Union,
13:01where deportations
13:02are actually going up.
13:03This is the wrong time to do this.
13:05And we have done extensive reporting
13:06on that topic here on Euronews.
13:08And we've also done
13:09previous editions of The Ring,
13:10so catch up with them.
13:11But now it is time
13:12to move on to our next round.
13:18Now, you've already got a glimpse
13:19of what happens
13:19inside the European Parliament Chamber,
13:21but now I'm going to give you
13:23another one
13:23because there MEPs
13:24also ask each other
13:25direct questions and follow-up.
13:27So here on The Ring,
13:28you'll also have that opportunity.
13:30So, Shander Schmid,
13:31please address your very first question
13:32to Barry Andrews.
13:33Barry, the United Kingdom
13:35was our strongest ally
13:36for fiscal discipline,
13:37resisting EU debt schemes
13:39and protecting national sovereignty,
13:41also for Ireland.
13:42Do you still miss
13:43the British Prime Minister
13:44in the European Council
13:45to help us protect
13:47national vetoes?
13:48And would you actually welcome
13:49the EU back
13:50into the European Union?
13:52A couple of questions there,
13:53Sander.
13:54So, first of all,
13:56yes, of course,
13:57we'd welcome the UK
13:57back into the European Union.
13:59I think of all EU member states,
14:01Ireland was most aligned
14:02with the UK, actually,
14:03on a whole range of issues,
14:04particularly around trade,
14:06the provision of financial services,
14:08but most importantly,
14:09peace on the island of Ireland.
14:10And Ireland and the UK
14:12pulled very hard
14:13in the same direction on that
14:14and the European Union
14:15acted as an honest broker
14:16and really helped us.
14:17So, for me,
14:18there's absolutely no question
14:19about that.
14:20In terms of veto power
14:21and the protection of veto power,
14:23I think that has held
14:24the European Union back,
14:25whereas other major global actors
14:27are able to act quickly.
14:28we take an inordinate amount of time
14:30and we're being held hostage
14:32by single individuals
14:34in the European Council.
14:35And now your question.
14:36So, my question is
14:38how the ECR
14:40are making arrangements
14:43with far-right MEPs
14:46in the European Parliament,
14:47some of whom are pro-Putin.
14:49How do you explain that
14:50to your voters in the Netherlands
14:52that you are making these alliances
14:54with pro-Russian parties
14:56and pro-Russian actors
14:57in the European Parliament?
14:58I think it's not about
14:59making alliances
15:00with pro-Russian parties.
15:02We have a broad center-right majority now,
15:04new majorities
15:04in the European Parliament,
15:05which vote along with us
15:07as an ECR
15:08where we firmly support Ukraine.
15:10So, there's no doubt about that.
15:11And if they vote along us
15:13in supporting, for instance,
15:16the return regulation
15:17proposed by EPP Commissioner
15:19and by the Commission of
15:20Ms. von der Leyen,
15:21not by far-right populists,
15:23but by the European Commission
15:24we safeguarded,
15:25we defended the proposal
15:27of Commissioner Brunner there,
15:29then there's no case
15:30of us collaborating
15:31with any such parties.
15:33But I do not uphold
15:34a firewall
15:36or a cordon sanitaire
15:37if people want to support
15:39my proposals.
15:40That would be political suicide.
15:41And I'm sure
15:43that certain
15:43of your own proposals
15:44and amendments
15:45have been voted in favor of
15:46also by far-right parties
15:48in committing committee votes.
15:50There's a difference
15:51between passive support
15:53and actively collaborating
15:55with these parties
15:56on amendments
15:57and issues like that.
15:58So, is your point
15:59is that you don't actively collaborate
16:01with the far-right,
16:01the pro-public parties?
16:02We've worked with all
16:04democratically elected
16:05representatives in this House
16:07and if they want to support us
16:09on issues such as
16:10return regulation,
16:11combating illegal migration,
16:13then I fully support
16:15such cooperation.
16:16And there's no threat there
16:18or danger of legitimizing
16:20their positions
16:21in certain other issues.
16:23There we have a very strong stance
16:24and there we are also
16:25really aligned, I think,
16:27in many issues.
16:28Okay.
16:28Well, we've heard the views now
16:29from the MEPs
16:30and you've had the opportunity
16:31to address your questions.
16:32Now it's time to hear
16:33from a new voice.
16:38I'd like to bring in
16:39the voice of Richard Corbett,
16:41former British Labour MEP
16:43who became one of the leading
16:44political and academic voices
16:45in the debates
16:46over EU membership
16:47and reforming the bloc.
16:49He was actually in Brussels
16:50this month
16:50to mark the 10-year anniversary
16:52of Brexit
16:53and meet a group
16:54of British nationals
16:54who walked the whole way
16:56from London
16:56to the European capital.
16:58Take a look.
16:59Alexander Stubb,
17:00President of Finland,
17:01came all the way to London.
17:03Chatham House lecture
17:03to say we want you back.
17:05Donald Tusk, Poland,
17:06says we dream
17:07of Britain coming back.
17:08Pedro Sanchez, Spain,
17:10says Brexit was a mistake,
17:11you should come back in.
17:12They do want us back.
17:14Why?
17:15Look at the geopolitics.
17:17Look at the geopolitics.
17:19Richard Corbett
17:19making the point there,
17:20making the pitch
17:21for coming back
17:21into the EU.
17:22Now that was one
17:23of your questions
17:23actually for Barry Andrews
17:24earlier.
17:25Would you like to
17:26welcome them back
17:26and is it necessary now
17:27due to the geopolitical world
17:28we're living in?
17:29I think I would
17:30really welcome them back
17:32because we really miss them
17:33still also in the European Parliament.
17:34The British Conservative Party
17:37is still sorely missed
17:38I think in my group as well.
17:40But I think it will be
17:41an evolution
17:42in the coming years.
17:43We have other parties
17:44as Barry said
17:45in the UK
17:46now contending
17:47and they think
17:48we have to work
17:49towards rebuilding trust
17:50and confidence
17:51also by having
17:52a more pragmatic approach
17:53not a dogmatic
17:54not a bickering
17:56approach of the past
17:57not to be too tough
17:58but really open up
17:59to the United Kingdom.
18:01a much more dangerous place
18:02since 10 years ago.
18:03Now we do know
18:04the EU and the UK
18:05have signed
18:06a defence and security
18:07partnership
18:07back in May 2025
18:08but is this working out?
18:10Look there's just
18:11not enough political energy
18:12behind this.
18:14Obviously Keir Starmer
18:15has had his problems
18:16and the Commission
18:18has had a very full agenda
18:20so the European Union
18:21UK agenda
18:22has been very strongly
18:23pushed by Mara Sefcovic
18:25let's be absolutely
18:26clear about this
18:27but I am concerned
18:29about the slow progress
18:30on things like
18:31the ETS
18:32electricity trading
18:34SPS
18:35you know food
18:35and those relationships
18:37which we should be able
18:38to improve
18:39much more quickly
18:40than is the case.
18:40And with the world
18:41in turmoil
18:41and the EU
18:42hoping to invest
18:43more in defence
18:44and security
18:44especially with the US
18:46pulling out
18:46of NATO
18:47there's a big gap
18:48in the budget
18:48now since Brexit
18:49we've seen like
18:50between 10 and 12 billion
18:51euros less
18:52in the coffers
18:53because the UK left
18:54what does that mean
18:56now for the EU's
18:57ambitions to invest
18:57in defence?
18:58I think the UK
19:00are major military power
19:02also capable
19:03of investing
19:03and we really
19:05miss them there
19:06so as I said
19:07we sorely miss them
19:08also in this dimension
19:10and is there a solution
19:11for the EU
19:12to muster up
19:13the money itself
19:14try and leverage
19:14that will mean
19:16that net payers
19:17such as my own
19:17country
19:18have to pay more
19:19and I'm not really
19:20in favour of
19:21having the defence
19:22which is primarily
19:23a national competence
19:25transfer to the EU level
19:27because really
19:28that development
19:29in the past
19:30also led to Brexit
19:31and also in my own
19:32member states
19:33if the net contribution
19:34of my own member state
19:35were to increase
19:37I think that would
19:38decrease also support
19:39for the European Union
19:40which has increased
19:41in the recent years
19:42so I think we
19:43should leave it there
19:44and find pragmatic
19:45solutions there
19:46Ok, I want to dive
19:47deeper into that topic
19:48but first
19:48let's take a break
19:49here on The Ring
19:50stay with us though
19:51here on Euronews
20:01Welcome back to The Ring
20:02Euronews' weekly debate show
20:04I'm Maeve McMahan
20:05and I'm joined by
20:06Sander Schmitt
20:07Dutch MEP
20:07from the European Conservatives
20:09and Reformists
20:10and Barry Andrews
20:11Irish MEP
20:11from Renew Europe
20:13and today we're talking
20:14about how
20:15the EU is doing
20:1610 years after
20:17the Brexit referendum
20:18and
20:18if the country
20:19of 69 million people
20:21could ever rejoin
20:22again
20:22To get the view
20:23from Europeans
20:24on whether
20:25they should one day
20:26rejoin
20:26we consulted some data
20:27from the European Council
20:28on Foreign Relations
20:30that says
20:3066% of European respondents
20:33quote
20:34strongly support
20:35or tend to support
20:36UK membership
20:37Support
20:38varies significantly
20:39from us
20:4056% in Bulgaria
20:41and 59% in France
20:43and Italy
20:44to 75%
20:45in the Netherlands
20:46and Denmark
20:47and backers
20:48of far right
20:48and Eurosceptic parties
20:49favour stronger UK-EU ties
20:52including supporters
20:53of Germany's AFD
20:54and France's
20:55national rally
20:57so interesting
20:57data there
20:58and many sharing
20:59your view
21:00that they do indeed
21:01miss the Brits
21:01and they'd love to
21:02invite them back
21:03your reaction
21:03yeah well actually
21:04the figures are very similar
21:05to the polling figures
21:06in the UK
21:07so whereas
21:08it was 52%
21:10to leave
21:10now the figures
21:11are the other way
21:12there's most
21:13UK people
21:14consider that Brexit
21:16was a mistake
21:16they consider that
21:17rejoining is the correct way
21:19so really
21:20there's hugely
21:20fertile political
21:21ground available
21:22to whichever politician
21:24has the courage
21:25to articulate
21:26return to the European Union
21:27and to put that
21:28to the people
21:28and I think that
21:29the European Union
21:30should respond to that
21:32and provide a pathway
21:32to such a politician
21:33if they do have that courage
21:35and how should that path look
21:36are we talking about
21:36the red carpet
21:37being rolled out
21:38or are we talking about
21:39stricter membership
21:40no more opt-outs
21:42I think we need opt-outs
21:43as well
21:43because we'll never
21:44get them back
21:45if we're too dogmatic
21:47too strict there
21:48so I think we ought
21:50to offer them
21:50the old package
21:51so you almost want
21:51to go begging them
21:52the old package
21:53I think
21:54that would be
21:55then that's also
21:56what British voters
21:58and British citizens
21:59who were polled
21:59remember
22:00so if we come up
22:01with other
22:02extra regulations
22:03we need more pragmatism
22:04that's a very interesting
22:05view
22:06do you think
22:06other Europeans
22:07and European leaders
22:08would be on board
22:09with this
22:09no they wouldn't
22:10because clearly
22:11we do have
22:12differentiated accession
22:14so Ukraine
22:15may come in
22:16in the next few years
22:17but I anticipate
22:18that it will be
22:19on different terms
22:20to Western Balkans
22:22for example
22:22and I think
22:23the UK
22:23as a former member
22:25should be treated
22:26in a differentiated manner
22:27but I don't see
22:28the European Council
22:29supporting the idea
22:30of going back
22:30to the original package
22:32of rebate
22:33outside Schengen
22:34outside the euro
22:36I think some of those issues
22:37will have to be
22:38spoken about
22:39so you know
22:40well the UK
22:41are saying
22:41they want to return
22:42to the European Union
22:44the majority
22:44when you put
22:45the actual package
22:46it might be
22:47a different story
22:47so that debate
22:48has to happen
22:49in the UK
22:49initially
22:50before we have
22:51any discussions
22:52and 10 years on
22:53from now
22:53how do you visualise
22:54the European Union
22:55will it be enlarged
22:56it will
22:57in my ideal vision
22:59would be
23:00slightly
23:01maybe enlarged
23:02but enlargement
23:02is not a goal
23:03in itself
23:04I'd like to have
23:05the United Kingdom
23:06back
23:06and I think
23:06Norway and Iceland
23:07are perfect examples
23:09within the European
23:09economic area
23:11already
23:11to join the European Union
23:13but if
23:13European leaders
23:14are too tough
23:15and we don't
23:15have this pragmatism
23:17towards the United Kingdom
23:18now
23:18in the upcoming months
23:19this might only
23:21also slow down
23:22or close off
23:23the same development
23:24in Iceland
23:24and Norway
23:25I think
23:26if we have
23:29a positive discussion
23:31about the UK
23:31I think the reputation
23:33of the European Union
23:34would be very
23:35profoundly enhanced
23:36by seeing the UK
23:37recognise that
23:38it was a mistake
23:39to leave
23:39and to begin
23:40the process
23:41of applying
23:42to rejoin
23:42and just a final point
23:43on EU enlargement
23:44could the EU function
23:45as 30 or 35
23:47with this current
23:48veto system
23:48well look
23:49back in 2004
23:51when we had
23:51the biggest accession
23:53when all of the
23:54countries of
23:54central and eastern
23:55Europe joined
23:56the argument
23:57was the European Union
23:58is not going
23:58to be able
23:59to function
23:59without really
24:01expanding QMV
24:02and withdrawing
24:03veto power
24:04in fact
24:04Ireland
24:05and other smaller
24:06member states
24:06insisted on
24:07keeping veto power
24:08and making sure
24:09that we limited
24:09QMV
24:10and the roof
24:12hasn't fallen in
24:13in fact
24:13the European Union
24:14does continue
24:15to operate
24:15quite well
24:16having said that
24:17from a foreign
24:18policy point of view
24:19I believe
24:19that there are areas
24:20where there should
24:21be an expanded
24:22QMV
24:22is that pragmatic
24:23no as Barry
24:24said I think
24:25the European Union
24:26should continue
24:27as it is
24:28as the treaty
24:29is now
24:29with the fetus
24:30the number
24:31of veto
24:31vetoes
24:32and policies
24:33has already
24:34been limited
24:34in the past
24:35before the treaty
24:36of Lisbon
24:36as well
24:36and I think
24:37we now
24:38have to
24:39safeguard
24:39this unanimity
24:41principle
24:41especially
24:42if we want
24:42the UK
24:43back
24:43if we want
24:44Iceland
24:44and smaller
24:45member states
24:45like Norway
24:47potential
24:47member states
24:48to join
24:49and it
24:49will really
24:50scare off
24:50these
24:52potential
24:52or real
24:53candidates
24:54if we
24:55abolish
24:55the national
24:56veto
24:56and for my
24:57own
24:57member states
24:57it's also
24:58been very
24:59important
24:59not only
25:00for Ireland
25:00but for
25:00other smaller
25:01member states
25:01to uphold
25:02the veto
25:03OK
25:03well it is
25:04now time
25:04to move
25:05on to
25:05our
25:05fifth
25:05and
25:06final
25:06round
25:11And like
25:11always
25:12to close
25:12we do
25:13something
25:13a little
25:13bit
25:14different
25:14I'm going
25:14to ask
25:15our
25:15MEPs
25:16a set
25:16of
25:16questions
25:16and you
25:17can only
25:17answer
25:18with
25:18yes
25:19or
25:19no
25:19is that
25:20doable
25:21maybe
25:22Is the
25:23European Union
25:24to blame
25:24for the
25:24Brexit vote
25:25yes or
25:25no
25:25yes
25:26no
25:27Is
25:28Nigel
25:28Farage
25:29perhaps
25:29to blame
25:29for the
25:30Brexit
25:30vote
25:30yes or
25:30no
25:31yes
25:31yes
25:32and
25:32yes
25:34Is
25:34Nigel
25:34Farage
25:35to blame
25:35for the
25:35Brexit vote
25:36yes or
25:36no
25:37was Brexit
25:38a wake-up
25:38call
25:39for the
25:39European
25:39Union
25:39Chander
25:40yes
25:41yes
25:41I think
25:42that's
25:42fair
25:42I think
25:43yeah
25:43I think
25:44it is
25:44it's
25:44forced
25:44the
25:45European
25:45Union
25:45to reflect
25:45in a
25:46way
25:46that
25:46hasn't
25:46done
25:46for
25:47long
25:47time
25:47is
25:48the
25:49European
25:49Union
25:49more
25:49democratic
25:50now
25:50today
25:51than it
25:51was
25:5110
25:51years
25:52ago
25:52yes
25:52or
25:52no
25:53there
25:53has
25:53been
25:54no
25:54treaty
25:54change
25:54so
25:55no
25:55it
25:55hasn't
25:56changed
25:56no
25:57did
25:58disinformation
25:58decide
25:59the
25:59referendum
25:59in the
26:00UK
26:00yes
26:00or
26:00no
26:02yes
26:03Cambridge
26:04Analytica
26:04Russian
26:05money
26:05massive
26:06disinformation
26:06and will
26:07the European
26:07Union
26:08ever speak
26:08with one
26:09voice
26:09yes
26:12yes
26:14and
26:14is
26:15Ursula von der
26:15Lyon
26:16a good
26:16leader
26:17yes
26:17or
26:17no
26:18no
26:18I
26:19don't
26:19think
26:19so
26:19yes
26:20or
26:20no
26:20sometimes
26:21she's
26:21good
26:22on
26:22Israel
26:23she's
26:23been
26:23a
26:23disaster
26:24is
26:25the
26:25EU
26:25doing
26:25enough
26:26to
26:26stay
26:26competitive
26:27against
26:27the
26:27US
26:27and
26:28China
26:28Sander
26:28no
26:29absolutely
26:30not
26:30we need
26:30more
26:30deregulation
26:31no
26:32and has
26:33the European
26:33Union
26:33become
26:34too
26:34dependent
26:34on
26:35regulation
26:35yes
26:36or no
26:37yes
26:38yes
26:39that is
26:40the big
26:40debate
26:40of course
26:41of Brussels
26:41today
26:42should
26:42national
26:43vetoes
26:43in foreign
26:43policy
26:44be
26:44abolished
26:44I know
26:45your answer
26:46no
26:47and some
26:48instances
26:49yes
26:49good to have
26:49allies
26:50in renew
26:50as well
26:51has the
26:52EU
26:52green
26:53deal
26:53strengthened
26:54the
26:54European
26:54economy
26:55yes
26:55I
26:56don't
26:56think
26:57so
26:57not
26:57overall
26:58and
26:59will
26:59we
26:59see
27:00another
27:00Brexit
27:00in the
27:01next
27:0110
27:01years
27:01no
27:02way
27:02no
27:03and one
27:04final
27:04question
27:04is the
27:05future
27:05of the
27:06European
27:06Union
27:06bright
27:07yes or
27:07no
27:07yes
27:11come on
27:11Sander
27:12you know
27:12the right
27:12answer
27:14yes if
27:15we
27:15uphold
27:15the
27:16national
27:16veto
27:16and
27:16respect
27:17this
27:17national
27:18sovereignty
27:18as well
27:19and on
27:19that
27:19conclusion
27:19we can
27:20bring
27:20this
27:20edition
27:20of
27:21the
27:21ring
27:21to
27:21an
27:22end
27:22we'd
27:22love
27:22to
27:22hear
27:22as well
27:23from
27:23you
27:23the
27:24ring
27:24at
27:24your
27:25news
27:25dot com
27:25that is
27:26our
27:26email
27:26address
27:27Barry
27:27Andrews
27:27and
27:27Chandra
27:27Schmidt
27:28thank you
27:28so much
27:28for being
27:28our
27:29guests
27:29thank
27:29you
27:29so
27:30much
27:30for
27:30watching
27:30take
27:31care
27:31and
27:31see
27:32you
27:32soon
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