00:00Oh no, let's go!
00:01Describe that experience of seeing Deliverance as a kid for the first time.
00:05Well, I was really into the movie, you know, and I was really enjoying it.
00:09And I had no idea what was going to happen, what was going to come up.
00:12But there is this sense of dread that goes throughout the film.
00:16Completely.
00:17You know something's going to happen, but you don't know what.
00:20And then those scary hillbillies show up.
00:23And so what proceeds to happen is a big stodomy rape scene
00:27with the hillbillies effeminize Ned Beatty's character and cornhole him.
00:34So now when I'm watching the movie at the age I was at, eight I think,
00:39I didn't know he was being raped per se.
00:42I didn't know that there was a penis going into an anus.
00:47I just thought he was being humiliated.
00:49Well, I was right.
00:50He was.
00:51I thought he was being subjugated.
00:53I was right.
00:54He was.
00:55That's something that any boy who spent any kind of time on a playground understands.
01:00So the thing that would have been the red flag as far as parents were concerned
01:06Is what went right over my head.
01:08Nevertheless, I actually understood what was going on in the movie very, very, very much.
01:14I understood the violent domination of what was going on.
01:18I understood that he was humiliated.
01:20And I understood that it was going to go further with Jon Voight.
01:23I got it and I I didn't get it and I got it at the exact same time.
01:28But what but the thing that happened to me is I remember as great as the wild bunch is
01:34it was deliverance that we were talking about on the car ride home.
01:38Right.
01:38Not the wild bunch.
01:39And the question was the way people felt about the way people felt about going to the beach
01:46after Jaws is how I felt about going camping after deliverance.
01:52Now, being raised by my single mother, I didn't really have that much fear
01:58Being taken to the woods.
02:00Being taken to a national park.
02:01All right.
02:02And drinking coffee on a Coleman stove with my mom.
02:06All right.
02:06But for a couple of days, like the idea of going camping would have been terrifying.
02:09I think it's like minus suspense, which I don't understand how how you could be minus suspense
02:14at that that moment.
02:15I think, you know, you should have brought all the players home.
02:18I mean, that is like, you know, that now you have your clean up home run that takes that
02:24takes everybody home.
02:25But you think that maybe they're going to be caught.
02:27Yeah, I know.
02:27Well, one, if you had had a Wilford Brimley or like a really terrific actor.
02:32And not have John Borman play the sheriff.
02:34Uh, James Dickey.
02:35James Dickey played the sheriff.
02:36And by the way, and for the half ass way, for the half ass way, for the half ass way
02:40he does it, James Dickey is fine.
02:43All right.
02:44But if you're going to bring in Lee J. Cobb, who's going to now steal the movie
02:47at the end
02:48and bring.
02:49Yes, you can.
02:51Yes, you can.
02:51I'm not saying Lee J. Cobb, but I'm saying a Clifton Davis, a David H
02:56ullison, a big gregarious
02:58folksy actor who will come in there who looks like he's going to be Columbo and
03:03figure the
03:04fucking thing out.
03:05Well, I very much disagree, because to me, the way they handled it was no more effective
03:08than if John Borman just had a slideshow.
03:11Okay, so this happens.
03:12Chink chink.
03:13And then this happens.
03:14Chink chink.
03:15And then this happens.
03:16Chink chink.
03:17Okay, good night, everybody.
03:18And I also make another case.
03:19And the other case is, while story integrity wise, you know, it works well to sideline Burt
03:27Reynolds Lewis character.
03:29But the movie can't afford him being sidelined that much.
03:33When they pass it to John Voight, John Voight does not carry it.
03:36He even-Okay, okay, okay.
03:37Give me a break.
03:38All right.
03:38Yes, he has that one big moment, but my God, a moment of suspense.
03:43It's again, it's thrown away.
03:45That could have been one of the most suspenseful moments in the movie, is Lewis going to say
03:49the right thing in the cop interrogation.
03:51Yes.
03:51And it's not even a moment, it's not even, it's barely a moment.
03:54No, I like the idea that it worked, it did not work for me at all.
03:57It was half-assed, but it worked for you.
03:59And it worked for you.
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