00:00So welcome Javed sir and Gita Mam to INS. It is an absolute pleasure to have you with us on
00:04board today.
00:05Thank you. Pleasure being with you.
00:07So, you know, I just want to know that IBD this season looks a little different because of the concept
00:12and all.
00:12I really want to know, I mean, you have invested in this industry. Now when you come to IBD.
00:19You have invested?
00:20I have invested, but I have a little return.
00:25So I wanted to know, how do you look at the reality shows now?
00:31You have to ask this to him because they started.
00:34Now when they come back, how much difference is this?
00:37No. Okay.
00:40Okay.
00:41Oh, difference. Okay.
00:49I think content wise, I mean talent. Talent, I mean, it's very far.
00:58Because at that time I was a rawness, a limited thing.
01:01What we are doing today, the kids, and youngsters, we don't think at that time.
01:10So they push the envelope.
01:14They're moving a bit.
01:15And there is a star where you are kind of on par with whatever is happening in the world internationally.
01:24In particular, free style dancing.
01:27I don't want to talk about classical form. Let's not talk jazz, ballet.
01:31Free style dancing.
01:33That is one level.
01:35Whether you are in China, in the UK, in the USA, somewhere in India.
01:40You will find that these dancers are at one level.
01:43That was not at that time.
01:46So, I think that is the biggest difference.
01:48The other thing was that light, sound, technique.
01:51That is not a big thing.
01:52The main difference that I am seeing is this.
01:56Or the amount of talent in population.
02:00How many people at that time were 50, now are 500.
02:05It's gone 10-fold, 20-fold.
02:07So, this is for me, especially, this difference is very evident.
02:13The other formats, you know, camera, it's all okay.
02:18It was the same.
02:18When we were shooting, we had 8 cameras.
02:21We are 16.
02:22Yeah, we will be 16.
02:23But, you know, basic, there is no difference.
02:27How to edit it.
02:28So, the main thing is the level of talent.
02:31Okay.
02:31And if you could also have to add on to it.
02:34I came into the scene much after him.
02:38And we had a thread pick up and then we kept knitting our way through.
02:45But, it's been a great journey.
02:48People have evolved.
02:49Dancing has evolved.
02:52Soch, the dancer has changed.
02:56It's now looked as a career option.
02:58When we were dancing, it was not a career option.
03:03We did it because payse kamane the.
03:07Us wakt kam mil raha tha.
03:09So, I think now they look at it as a career option.
03:12Yes, you can be a choreographer.
03:13Yes, you can make money out of it.
03:15No, no.
03:16But, I wouldn't just say payse kamane.
03:17I think we did it because we loved it.
03:20Or we turned into a career.
03:23Usse payse kama, which was not something to,
03:26Aapke zindagi ki zhururiyaat poori karne ke liyeut.
03:29Aapke mahine ka fix.
03:31I was the first one, actually.
03:33Actually, you was a good paymaster.
03:35When people were getting 500 rupees for a show,
03:37I was getting 2000 rupees.
03:38Yes.
03:39Back then.
03:40Back then.
03:41And so, he may not look at it as a career option.
03:44Then for us, paise kamane ka zariya ban gaya tha.
03:47Because dancing was truly a hobby.
03:49For me also.
03:50And I had learned basics of folk dancing, Kathak, Bharatanatyam.
03:55Because it was a hobby and my mother put me for it.
03:58Woh paisa kabhi mein usse kamaungi.
04:00Ya, mera karir banega.
04:01Ya, mein coreographer banu.
04:02Ye soch thi hi nahi.
04:04But when I saw that, yes, you can, it can be a source of income.
04:09And especially when I started working with him.
04:12When I saw, okay.
04:13Achha nahi.
04:14Yaha pe income badta bhi hai.
04:17Koi aur isse zyada deta bhi hai.
04:18Because till then, we were doing it for like 500 and 1,000.
04:221,000 was a big amount.
04:23And then came 2,000.
04:25And it was like fab, 1 show of 2,000 mil sakta hai.
04:29And I was not some big star.
04:32Like I was, if you look at it from a perspective of joe.
04:34I was okay.
04:35I was mid level.
04:37But I always felt, kyunke dancers, joh hai.
04:41Mai samajhta tha ki us mein kitni mehnat hai.
04:43Or jo hak banta hai.
04:45To for me it was that.
04:46Ke bhai, they should stay, jaha am rehte hain.
04:48Usi hotel mein rehenge.
04:49To me, muche se pehle, no, man.
04:51Mujhe meri lihe bhi loog bholtae tha tha tha.
04:53Sir, aap, aayye, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah.
04:56To maine ka, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah, aah.
04:58To maine ka, aah, aah, aah, aah.
04:58To maine ka, aah, aah, aah.
05:00To maine ka, aah, aah.
05:02To maine ka, aah.
05:02You know, to ye, this was the first thing.
05:04Because, jo bhi, uus zamane mein hiroos thai hain.
05:06Jo bhi, I won't name anybody.
05:07But if they used to go and do a little.
05:09Jake and come back.
05:10And come back.
05:11I said, niya, I want a proper structured item.
05:14To minimum, mein bolta tha tha,
05:152 ladke aur ek ladki.
05:17To agar Geetha meri saath hai aur 2 ladke hai.
05:20Thoda agar unka budget behtor ho ta,
05:22to pher 3 ladkia aur hum 3 ladke.
05:25So, it was a proper set kind of an item.
05:28To ye, hum travel karte tha,
05:29jahaan bhi aap, North East, yaa,
05:31kai jagao me, she's also come along.
05:34To, wo, jo zamanha tha,
05:36and today, aap to,
05:37to, panra dancer leke ja rae hain,
05:39you know, 20 dancer leke ja rae hain.
05:40Which is great.
05:41But, lekin, I would like to,
05:43honestly, I think, take that credit,
05:46that I open that door,
05:47ke dancers should come on,
05:49and artist ke saath mein perform kari.
05:52You know, Nagaram Nisli,
05:53aapki jo, purai aapka experience raha hai us time ka,
05:57when you think about,
05:58dancers or choreographers now,
06:00ye jo struggle,
06:01aap loog ne us time pe dekha tha,
06:03like you also said,
06:04hardly there was any money associated with dance.
06:06People didn't even consider dance as a,
06:08as a career,
06:09let alone money.
06:10But, so,
06:11when you see,
06:12a lot many people,
06:13these days,
06:14who want to enter this industry,
06:15and they feel,
06:16kia rae,
06:16he sa toh phaa pain milta hai,
06:17he sa toh paisa bhi bohat hai,
06:19we get easy access to big stars,
06:21you know,
06:21you're not talking to me.
06:23So, how do you look at that now,
06:25ki, wo jo struggle,
06:26actual,
06:27and I feel, when you struggle,
06:58aap,
06:58hap,
06:58hap,
06:58hap,
06:58ke, for us,
06:59even today,
07:00I am in awe of,
07:01the artist,
07:02if I see an artist,
07:03for me,
07:04it's a matter of honor,
07:05to be sitting next to somebody,
07:06who,
07:07was once my mentor and guide.
07:09Whether I sit next to him,
07:10or whether I sit next to Farah ma'am,
07:12for me,
07:12it is,
07:13it's an honor,
07:14and I,
07:15I still feel nervous about it.
07:17But,
07:18it is easier access,
07:19and I,
07:20all I can say is that,
07:21some things that come fast,
07:23they go faster.
07:24Right.
07:25So, it's a short lived process.
07:27Toh,
07:27jitni jaldi aap,
07:28uchai pe chadhte hain,
07:30utni jaldi girne ke chances,
07:31mujhe lagta hai.
07:32So,
07:32sustain and sagar karna hai,
07:34I think our way was a better way,
07:35but then I'm old schooled.
07:38But I feel that is the way to live.
07:40And I'm older school.
07:41I love that school, sir.
07:44I have a question for you,
07:46that,
07:46jisir ma'am ne bhi bola ki,
07:48you know,
07:49it's an honor for her to,
07:50essentially cite you as a sincere romantic.
07:53I really wanted to know ki,
07:54aap kuch share kar sakte hai,
07:56tab ki gita aur hap ki gita pe.
07:58Oh no.
08:00Sir please.
08:01I will say,
08:02whatever I say,
08:03I will say,
08:03whatever I say,
08:03and whatever I say,
08:04anything I say.
08:06If you have any fond memories,
08:08then you could recall.
08:10I have a lot of memories.
08:12I said,
08:13as ma'am said,
08:14that,
08:15you know,
08:15she's really honored
08:16to cite the site comment on.
08:17I wanted to know from you,
08:19what is aapke saab se,
08:20kya difference hai,
08:21first time ke gita mein,
08:22aur aapke gita mein,
08:23and the same question to you,
08:24for Javid sir.
08:26Okay.
08:28Pahli baar,
08:29jab,
08:30to hai,
08:31hum,
08:31ghar pe rehas karte tiyo.
08:33And,
08:33uh,
08:36first time ayeti,
08:37to mammi saath nahayeti.
08:38Okay.
08:39To,
08:39who,
08:40sofa tha,
08:41and,
08:42to,
08:43jab,
08:43inki mammi aayeti,
08:44to,
08:44I have a beautiful picture of the two of them sitting.
08:49Yeah.
08:50And,
08:51obviously,
08:52us ti,
08:52ke,
08:52bhai,
08:54haa,
08:54aadmi sa,
08:54shurru mein,
08:55us waakt,
08:55haa,
08:56kya,
08:56woh,
08:57bae,
08:57woh,
08:57woh,
08:57woh,
08:58woh,
08:58My daughter is safe, I don't know if she is 16 or 17 years old, she is safe or not.
09:05Then she came in 2-3 times and she saw that the house is the house and everything is fine.
09:11I remember that very fondly.
09:13Then she has travelled with us too.
09:15Like 8 hours from Kolkata airport by car.
09:19All the places like Malda and Dibdugad.
09:23Then she also understood that she was in safe hands.
09:27So, she is saying I was naive when I first came.
09:29Yes, but she had a very infectious smile.
09:36She has a beautiful smile.
09:38Now she is.
09:39But she has a very beautiful photo of me.
09:43And she was very radiant on stage.
09:47I have seen her in films only.
09:50I have seen her performing on stage.
09:55After that, I have not seen her perform at any other show.
09:59So, I have not seen her perform.
10:01It's many people.
10:02Actually.
10:03You have to see something in this show.
10:05You have to see something.
10:07So, I got really fond memories.
10:09I was very protective about her.
10:10Yes, you were.
10:11Yes.
10:11Yes.
10:11So, you know, I made sure that no anky-panky.
10:15Nobody.
10:16So.
10:17Right.
10:18And I mean, Jamit sir.
10:19When we were growing in the industry, we were growing up.
10:21Like Indian Michael Jackson.
10:23This was a feeling that we had.
10:24Absolutely.
10:25So, since you have been associated with him so closely.
10:29What memories do you have?
10:30I see my first memory of dancing with a star was with him.
10:36Because he was a star.
10:37He may not understand that, want to accept it.
10:40But he was a star.
10:41He was already in the films.
10:43And for me to dance with him, I was very nervous.
10:47Because the first day I went, I didn't know that dancing happens.
10:51I mean, I had seen that kind of dancing happening with other people.
10:55But I didn't know I was supposed to be lifted.
10:57Put over the head.
10:58So, we tried a couple of lifts.
11:00And like immediately to get connected with someone.
11:05So, I think we bonded otherwise.
11:07But in dancing, you know, you have to get over your nervous self to learn.
11:15I was already in awe of him.
11:17So, I was like, aww.
11:20But as we went along, I think it was just beautiful.
11:27I was just myself.
11:28I could be myself.
11:30I used to travel from Kolaba and come all the way to Bandra.
11:33So, that's why my mum used to travel with me.
11:35I didn't know who this girl is.
11:37But eventually, she also, their family welcomed us into the home so beautifully.
11:42Made my mum feel so comfortable that I only had to say the word.
11:46And she would not even question.
11:48Ke, kab jana hai, kya jana hai.
11:51And he was protective then.
11:54He is protective today.
11:56As serious about dancing then.
11:59Still dancing ke baare mein bohut serious hai abhi.
12:01He was disciplined then.
12:03He is disciplined today also.
12:06And I think that is why he is who he is.
12:09One more thing.
12:11I think when she came in, I was married.
12:14No.
12:15No, you were dating.
12:16Before marriage?
12:16Yeah, you were dating.
12:17Before marriage?
12:18Yes.
12:19So, we startedтАж
12:20Before 94.
12:21Before 94, I got married.
12:22Yeah.
12:23But then, after marriage she was.
12:28He forgot me after marriage.
12:30Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
12:31My wife said that she was a very good-looking girl with a fantastic pair of legs.
12:37You know, she was like really one of the best pair of legs.
12:41Okay, then moving on.
12:42Yes.
12:43So, my wife obviously said that she was likeтАж
12:45Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
12:50You know, now that you have reunited for IBD, I really want to see, I really want to know
12:54that you have a conversation on sets and also, how much is Arishma and Terence a part of
13:01these conversations?
13:02Terence is on the other end of the panel now.
13:04Now, in 4 people's distance, my friend is in the corner.
13:08Yes.
13:09This is the corner.
13:09Terence is in the corner.
13:10I am in the corner, so we still keep talking about.
13:14We still have a lot of conversation.
13:16I think he has individual conversations with KK on the other side.
13:21I am on this side.
13:22So, Karishma, ma'am and his friends are on the other side.
13:25Then, when they are here, they say, oh, but my friend is alone.
13:29They have been there.
13:32You know, if I want to, if I can ask,
13:34that when we say dance today,
13:36when we say the surname,
13:37the talent was limited,
13:41now there are a lot of people because of the population.
13:44Considering that, because of social media also,
13:46people have very less patience.
13:48This is what I personally do.
13:49I mean, they don't have any patience.
13:53They can see what one minute dance is doing in social media.
13:57So, everybody wants it very quick.
13:59You have to learn the dance,
14:01you have to dance,
14:01you have to dance.
14:02There are quickies now, yeah.
14:04I just want to know that,
14:07as dancers,
14:08what do you have to do?
14:09No, see.
14:10This is a problem.
14:11This is a whole world's problem.
14:13And a very serious problem.
14:16I have told my little girl,
14:19you have to sit here,
14:22It's not sunset,
14:22you can see sunset,
14:24it's not sunset.
14:25You can see it.
14:26It's not.
14:27Because, there is a problem.
14:30The little girl,
14:31especially he grew up on the iPad.
14:33He's the Indian.
14:34And he does a lot of work on that.
14:37You are constantly aapka brain 24 frames to 30 frames registered.
14:43Real life is not 30 frames per second, it is one frame.
14:48But when you are watching 30 frames, aapka subconscious is used to this movement.
14:54So when something goes static, aapko lagta hai everything stopped, I need movement.
14:59Aur ye sab bachum ho ga hai, all over, this whole generation.
15:03Mera bada beeta hai, uska itna nahi Thafar, because he grew up a little earlier, he was not attached
15:09to these things so much, abhi bhi itna nahi.
15:11But yeh jo hoke hai na, keesubhout, so it's this, and it's very dangerous.
15:16And the level of patients, ushi leh niche ja raha hai, and they want, it's like instant,
15:21two minute noodle.
15:24Woh nahi, pehle pakta tha noodle, process hota tha, you know, abo two minute wala, packet
15:29kholo, aur nikaala, yeh ho gya hai, or this is not good for the entire generation, because
15:34it process hota, aapko director banna hai.
15:35For example, assistant, paanch saal, chay saal, des saal, uske baad director bante hai.
15:41Correct.
15:41Okay, ab ab, aate hi sida bola, ke, mein toh director bann jaun gha, ek film assistant
15:45bhi nahi ki hai, matala, mein toh, padhke aya hong na, college se, director bann jaun gha,
15:49toh yeh jo hoke hai, ke, I want instant, this is really bad.
15:53Or a process, usmei kya they cannot face defeat, they cannot face rejection.
15:59Unkei struggle hai yeh.
16:02Rejection is a part of the process.
16:05Very important.
16:06You learn.
16:07You, usse ek therao paida hota hai.
16:09O nahi hota.
16:10Toh, I think, meri liye toh yeh baut dangerous zone hai, yeh jo generation hai, in mein therao
16:14nahi hai, nahi hai.
16:16Right.
16:17Right.
16:17Now, you know, considering yeh generation ka, am baat kareip hai, when I meet a lot of
16:21people on dance sessions mein, workshops mein online, I also see, I am talking about this generation
16:27specifically.
16:28The concept of guru shisha parampara jho bhuti hai, jose ma'am ne bhi bola ki para ma'am,
16:32abhi bho ma'am bool rahe hai.
16:34So yeh jo concept hai.
16:35Aaj kal, even in this industry, even if somebody is 20 years older than us, directly naam sahi
16:41budha.
16:41We don't even, we forget.
16:42O American culture hai.
16:43So, correct.
16:44So, when we talk about dance also, art form mein guru shisha parampara bhoat zyada deep-rooted
16:48as Indians hai.
16:50But in this generation mein, woh, I personally feel nahi hai.
16:53And it kind of sometimes make me feel offended.
16:55Na, muha ma'am bola naa bolo ka, maar meri guru ka toh, aap dihdi bolo yaya kuch thoi.
17:00So, he has to teachana pa'dega.
17:01So, no, no, no nai.
17:03I have noticed.
17:04Abhi be, o bachay apne, hum show mein aate naa, sir, hamaara sir, hamaare ho, hain ho.
17:11Ho, hain.
17:11Ha, hain ho.
17:12Ho hain ho.
17:12Daan, dam, zone mein toho hai.
17:13Office of office mein, workspais mein shayad ho nah ho.
17:16But here, abhi tak, at least humarai India mein, no, sir.
17:26I never addressed him by his name then, I mean, my most coolest moment with him would
17:35be to call him Jay sir, but I cannot address him by his name, names, like it's just, it's
17:43not right.
17:44And but that is something that you need to teach the children of today.
17:48And that is why India's Best Dancer, Super Dancer, these shows are the show that they want to keep
17:53this guru shishak and try to keep it.
18:00So I think that's why I love the shows that we've done so far, because it has this, you
18:06need a guru, you need a guide.
18:08We're still trying to push the thought that this is a guru's need.
18:14You need to learn your craft.
18:16You need to learn.
18:17It means that you have a talent in your own.
18:19But how do you do it?
18:22How do you do it?
18:23That is, only a person who's already been there will be able to guide you.
18:29And I will not name.
18:31I have seen that in my life, in the industry, that in the beginning, sir, sir, sir, sir,
18:39you have a good, sir, sir.
18:39I love the words.
18:42Cut to it.
18:42Hey, Javed, who's here?
18:44Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:45Are you seeing there?
18:45Yes.
18:46Okay.
18:47But, that's what it is, that some people think that success has been given their license to
18:52give respect to them.
18:54It doesn't.
19:05I think these are value systems which families inculcate
19:10are on the family level.
19:12The institutions will not do it.
19:14This is the responsibility of family.
19:16To respect their children,
19:18the age of their children,
19:23that you are growing in that position,
19:25that you are a student or a teacher.
19:27You maintain that through your life.
19:29This is very important.
19:31In our show,
19:32in that moment,
19:33she is also of that school.
19:37Respect is very important.
19:39When a mentor is talking about a guru,
19:41he cannot protect Farah Mam in this entire scenario.
19:44Also, she has been a common ground
19:46because she is not a mentor.
19:48She has danced.
19:49I really want to know that
19:50she has a touch of midas.
19:54She has choreographed.
19:56She has given a number of super hits.
19:58She has given such
20:00and now she has switched into YouTube blogging.
20:03She is doing such phenomenal work.
20:05I really want to know from you that
20:07when you talk about Farah Khan,
20:10what comes in your mind
20:11and how do you take this?
20:12Since we talk about Gurusha Shuparapara.
20:14Also, you have danced with us
20:16that our generation
20:18will dance with us today.
20:19There is no competition to that song.
20:21We will also do that dance.
20:23What do you do about them?
20:23What do you do about them?
20:26For me,
20:28I think she is a risk taker.
20:31She is a trendsetter.
20:32She tries new things.
20:34She evolves with the time.
20:36Like how she is taking over the YouTube scenario now
20:43and how she is killing it.
20:48It is unreal.
20:49I think it is very important to evolve.
20:54As our dance has been evolving over time,
20:56our shows have been evolving.
20:58People also need to evolve along with it.
21:01I think she is one person
21:02who has always been with the trend.
21:07That is what I love about her.
21:09She is mad.
21:10She is crazy.
21:12For me,
21:12I have seen her.
21:13She is a little bit younger to me.
21:16But,
21:16I started when she used to dance.
21:20I took her in to my shows when I used to travel.
21:24She used to dance with me.
21:25But again,
21:26she was always connected to watching films.
21:29Indian, Western,
21:31looking at different forms.
21:32She was in that moment.
21:35She said,
21:35this dance,
21:37Jean Kelly,
21:38Fred Astaire,
21:38that film,
21:40and how it is in slow motion.
21:41So, she had that mind.
21:43And then,
21:44she evolved,
21:44obviously.
21:45Like,
21:46Geetha said,
21:47she will continue.
21:48But,
21:48her brain continuously
21:50and her sense of humor is good.
21:52She has also done an application in films.
21:55And,
21:55in real life,
21:56she is doing it.
21:59That sense of humor is being maintained.
22:01In my house.
22:02So,
22:03I mean,
22:04I have always wished her well.
22:05she is a lovely girl.
22:07And,
22:07one last question,
22:08before they intervene in between things.
22:11In the interview.
22:12I just want to know,
22:14the final question.
22:15Dance back then,
22:17in that era,
22:19in the early 90s,
22:20in the mid 90s,
22:21early 2000s,
22:22and dance reality shows now.
22:24Today,
22:25when we see,
22:26there are a lot of emotional stories,
22:27a backup,
22:29when we introduce the contestant,
22:31a little backup,
22:32a little emotional story.
22:33Does that take away from the actual concept of dance?
22:36What do you think?
22:37Now?
22:38I don't think it takes away.
22:41As long as,
22:42that's not the focus.
22:44Okay?
22:44The information,
22:45that this journey,
22:47is always inspirational for a lot of people.
22:49Like,
22:50that,
22:50that,
22:52that,
22:53that,
22:55that journey,
22:57is always inspirational for a lot of people.
23:00And,
23:09it's important.
23:11But,
23:12it's important.
23:17It's a package.
23:22But,
23:23But it's a different journey, it doesn't mean that money, it doesn't mean it.
23:29Every person, like you said, is not restricted to your economic status.
23:37No.
23:38If you are a talent, then you are a talent.
23:40If you are a talent, then you are a talent.
23:44What does it mean?
23:45If you are a talent, then you are a talent.
23:55If you are a talent, then you are a talent.
23:57It takes up your time.
23:59You can't keep on watching.
24:01You need a little break.
24:03The break is emotional.
24:05It's a manor.
24:06It's a little funny.
24:07You balance the whole narrative as a story.
24:10If you show a fight from the beginning to the end, then who will see it?
24:15I need it.
24:15That's a story telling.
24:17In every story telling.
24:18This is a story telling.
24:22Why do you want viewers to watch this season of Ireland?
24:26Why do I want them to keep loving us like they have for the last four seasons.
24:31But this time they have to show more love to a man who came on screen after 14 to 15
24:37years.
24:38He has come back to the small screen.
24:41He has come back to dance.
24:42He has come back to sit with us, teach us.
24:45So this season has to be watched because you are going to see more of him.
24:51Lots of good dancing, fun dancing, relatable dancing on the show.
24:56So please see.
24:58Because it will be a lot of fun.
25:00We are coming.
25:01We are coming.
25:02You will also come.
25:03Yeah.
25:04This is the same thing.
25:05Teach is not.
25:06I keep learning.
25:07Always.
25:08It's a process.
25:09Teach is not here.
25:11All of us.
25:12I think we are all learning from these children.
25:14They come up with some amazing stuff.
25:16You know.
25:17Creativity.
25:18But in this particular thing, India's dance.
25:21It's a little bit from the edge.
25:23Because here you will see.
25:25What you dance with your heart.
25:29And you have a technique.
25:31Okay.
25:31But it's more about the expression.
25:34It's more about how you are enjoying and making others enjoy your performance.
25:39What is your purpose?
25:41No.
25:41I want you to enjoy.
25:42I don't want you to see.
25:44What a kick is.
25:45What a grati is.
25:46What a grati is.
25:47I want you to enjoy with me.
25:48So what can I do as a performer?
25:50That you must be able to dance with me.
25:55That you are dancing with me.
25:56From inside or outside.
25:58So I think this season is the special thing.
26:01The fun is definitely coming.
26:02Nothing is coming.
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