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00:00Moro responded. Is it easier to ask questions or give answers?
00:06It's easier to converse.
00:09Moretti, you've been in prison for nine years. You've been sentenced to six life sentences.
00:14If you weren't in prison, you might be more likely to answer the questions I ask you. And if so,
00:19Why?
00:20No, absolutely not. What I tell you will be exactly what I think.
00:26In front of Eleonora Moro, what would she say, for example?
00:30I would listen to her. I think she has the right to say whatever she wants.
00:36I think that Eleonora Moro will have found an explanation for what happened due to the fact that her husband was the
00:45President of the Christian Democracy,
00:46otherwise he wouldn't be able to explain what was happening.
00:50But in a democratic country, in a state of law, being President of the Christian Democracy does not necessarily imply the
00:57destiny to be killed?
00:58No, of course, but the reasons why this happened lie to some extent in the role that each of us has
01:05he hired us.
01:07I mean that either we accept it and we can explain it, that in Italy a social conflict has occurred and
01:15so within this way of seeing things, we can find some pieces.
01:20Look, forgive me Moretti, but others have to accept this.
01:22What would you, in turn, accept from Eleonora Moro in this hypothetical meeting?
01:29Everything, everything she possibly had to say.
01:33For me, I mean, it could even be important, I'm fine with the Moretti character being killed.
01:40He is a media personality, he is a personality that I don't care about at all, because the Moretti person who I am
01:48he knows that it is different, since I have no personal or political aims at the moment,
01:57I believe that I am like many comrades in a position of reflection, listening and careful observation of reality, more
02:09that in a position of having something to say about the way the world is going, etc.
02:15And so with a very serene soul I could also speak to anyone who has suffered such a strong pain as the
02:25loss of a person with whom he lived for many years, emotions, intensely.
02:31And what would you say to Eleonora Moro?
02:41If he thought, but this is obviously a general plan, if he thought to complete, he felt the need to know,
03:03like his personal experience, which was a story that naturally involved us all.
03:14And wouldn't you talk about her husband's Moorish man?
03:28It is always very difficult to separate what was a political affair from a personal affair.
03:40That is, I believe that Moro the man was not very different from Moro the politician, no one can blame him
03:46great honor, that is, this clear separation between…
03:53Moro lived for what he believed in, I believe.
03:57He lived, he behaved, he felt, he was our opponent, he played a role, in short.
04:05This is how we related.
04:08When he was in your hands he was not an opponent, he was a prisoner?
04:12Yes, of course, but it remained… it was his role that he had… it was predominant.
04:19The role that had been assigned to him?
04:21You see, this is a man who is in a big problem, in a big, huge, political mess.
04:29He knows he is in a very big conflict and he is a way to resolve this conflict.
04:35There is a humanitarian way to address these problems that does not call into question the integrity of the state,
04:43nor does it make the State abdicate, nor is it a negotiation.
04:47He says, it's a difficult way, let's look for it, let's find it.
04:51We proposed a confrontation with the State, a general global alternative to Christian democracy, to the system.
04:58You can imagine if we were giving in to these things.
05:03Negotiation on this level was absolutely unthinkable, politically, ideologically and generally.
05:09On the specific fact that we found, the President of the Christian Democracy had been captured, taken, kidnapped
05:16and on the other hand we recorded that in Italian prisons there were Italian political prisoners within a movement.
05:22We were saying, gentlemen, find a way yourselves, recognize this fact, let's find a way.
05:29And then this happens, that Moro has this type of political line, he proposes it to his people.
05:35It has historical references, in the recent past also of Christian democracy and the government
05:40and he supports this position with great dignity and strength.
05:49It comes, as it were, it doesn't come much, I don't say his positions are accepted, but they don't even come
05:55he took this position into consideration very often, from what the newspapers said.
06:00he even goes so far as to write a letter to the Pope, in which he also cites a personal report from a
06:12common path from the years of youth, the militancy at Fucci, the visit he made private
06:19with his family at the Pontiffs, in short, almost asking, how should I say, for a balancing intervention
06:29within a great conflict, a great clash and therefore also as a mediator, let's say,
06:36between institutional forces that are not exactly homogeneous, but blocked, etc.
06:44he hears the response of men of the Red Brigades freed like this without any conditions, without
06:52some... the political problem is completely ignored, it is a political choice of field,
07:00so to speak, and there the second Moor felt, how to say, he felt lost, he felt lost,
07:09because knowing me, I don't know anything about what, how the building turns, this was one of our
07:19worst shortcomings in all these years, our estrangement from the palace has also led us to some
07:25all ideological interpretations of certain mechanisms, etc., we don't know, but Moro yes, Moro
07:32the whole palace was known, so he was able to interpret the true meaning of the letter
07:40of the Pope, which was the seal of a decision that would never be changed again.
07:48and in this sense he was able to say, I sympathized very much with this man,
07:56I sympathized a lot at this moment.
08:03Let's go back to Mrs. Moro and that hypothetical meeting.
08:13I would tell you, I would certainly try to avoid political speeches, because everyone has their own
08:22way of looking at it from a political point of view, this matter, this story.
08:26This tragedy.
08:27Yes, yes, of course, this tragedy, a tragedy that has involved everyone, I know you that this
08:34It's a real, authentic tragedy of this country, I agree, but I think knowing
08:46perhaps directly that Moro asked, he asked for a Bible, he was a true believer, the thing we
08:57we then attribute some meaning, but probably he was not Moro, he can give it a meaning,
09:03because her husband gave it to her.
09:08Did she buy the Bible?
09:11Ah yes, everything he asked for was given to him.
09:17Yes, yes, I decided along with others, of course, that whatever he asked for, even the Bible,
09:24Of course, it was part of his religious faith, a total respect for these things.
09:31And was it she who delivered it to him?
09:38I can't tell you because I don't remember, but also because the role of each of us
09:47within this story, even today, there is a risk of being interpreted with merits, demerits, responsibilities
10:00legal, criminal liability.
10:05I can only admit that in all the events of the Red Brigades, including that one
10:11of Moro, I participated in it fully.
10:14What else did Moro ask?
10:22Lots of paper to write on, he wrote to me a lot, but was listened to very little.
10:28There was much discussion about March 16, 1978, a date that coincided with the launch of the government
10:34of national solidarity, chaired by Giulio Andreotti.
10:38Here is the question, the operation of Via Fani, was triggered that day also to interfere on the
10:44vote of the Chambers or not?
10:46No, the coincidence of the launching of the government was entirely coincidental.
10:52It was no coincidence that this operation was part of an absolutely ambitious proposal.
11:03alternative to those who believed that development in Italy was linked to a political change
11:14called national solidarity.
11:17Yes, this was not a coincidence, because the project that was being launched at that time
11:24in those weeks, in those months, it is certainly a project that would have brought big trouble
11:32to our country.
11:34Moro was chosen as the target to be hit because other Christian Democrat exponents seemed more
11:39protected or for other reasons?
11:44But the emblematic figure of Aldo Moro, in the political history of this country, I believe that
11:55admit explanations other than this.
11:57It is known, however, that the Red Brigades had studied the possibility of kidnapping the Honourable
12:01Andreotti and also Senator Fanfani.
12:03For example, Franceschini told us that he had followed Andreotti, that he had come
12:07to Rome precisely to learn about its habits.
12:11As far as I know, in much earlier years, in 1978, some investigations were carried out on Andreotti,
12:19investigation of a technical-military nature, everyone knows where Andreotti lives, but then
12:23he didn't think about it anymore.
12:25And you die, how long did it take you to develop the project?
12:27Many months, not many months, it was an extremely complex situation, it required
12:33many stages.
12:34So, were you the leader of the Red Brigades?
12:36No, he was one of the leaders, he was one of the leaders, the leader of the Red Brigades does not exist, no
12:40has it ever existed, it's not me, in any case I'm not this boss, the boss of the doesn't exist
12:45Red Brigades, he was one of the leaders which obviously is a centralized structure,
12:50diversified structures, but has no hierarchical relationships within it.
12:58However, in the story of the kidnapping, imprisonment and killing of Aldo Moro
13:02He played a leading role, do you recognize yourself in it completely or in part?
13:07In the lead role?
13:10But that operation was managed directly by the executive committee obviously, there is the
13:15highest structure of the organization, which included perfectly qualified comrades
13:18identified and every decision was taken and in the executive committee and those of a
13:23more general ones that implied choices, were taken by the strategic management, therefore a committee
13:32very broad and the decision to end the operation and how to end it was taken by
13:39the whole organization, a general consultation, then nobody raised their hand because
13:44This is not how you run a clandestine organization, but listen to everyone's opinion.
13:48At a certain point after Moro's imprisonment, for the purposes of negotiation, therefore of exchange,
13:54the name of the napist Alberto Buonoconto was identified, he was supposed to represent the famous
13:58measure for measure indicated by Moro, that is, the exchange, one against one. The big brain
14:04of the Viminale in turn had also identified that of Paola Besuschio, why did you leave
14:08fall into both opportunities?
14:13But it never happened, in reality many things were said, this was the real problem, the system
14:23politician reacted by blocking himself, after which everyone said something, some of them proposed the state
14:29of war, who proposed the death penalty, who proposed Caritas, as an interlocutor he did not
14:38He knows exactly what it was about. Everyone was excluding everything, and everyone was saying everything. I agree with that.
14:46that behind a clear choice overall, which was later called the choice of firmness,
14:55There was also a lot of confusion on the part of those who had to decide. Our problem
15:01was that on the question of political prisoners someone would give a response of a character
15:11politician of course, we listened to what was being said, it was just a big mess.
15:16My personal belief is that until the last moment, if there had been an authoritative word
15:27towards the possibility of identifying a different solution, everything would have been blocked, it would have been
15:34blocked everything immediately. So if there was a political willingness to find,
15:39to identify different solutions, I am absolutely sure of this, an initiative in this
15:48direction from the other side would have resulted in everyone coming to a standstill at the very least.
15:53But in your request for clarity there was implicit, how can I say, a sort of blackmail.
16:00or in any case of unacceptable condition, because it was the political recognition of Ebiera?
16:05It's a question that, in my opinion, will remain resolved forever. The social conflict posed in those
16:13terms, it was probably a solution, in fact he didn't have it.
16:18So in fact the alleged lack of clarity of the State to some extent coincided with
16:23your interests?
16:26No, our interest was to develop a strategy capable of involving and therefore of
16:33to build what we called an armed proletarian power. In this dynamic the conflict
16:40with the State it was inevitable and therefore we thought that the strategy of armed struggle was the only one
16:46possible, capable of maintaining and giving a perspective to the movement of those years, to the
16:53his expectations, his hopes and even his utopias, why not?
16:58Yet there was a moment in which the solution of the exchange with the Alberto Buonoconto track
17:03It was ready. If that was the case, we didn't realize it, we encountered a very rigid block.
17:11in the possibility of reaching a political mediation.
17:16Yet a humanitarian solution, that is, a line of negotiation, had been identified?
17:24It is possible that already at that time someone was able to see the possibility of dealing with
17:33questions of this kind with more flexibility and therefore with the possibility of finding a
17:39political mediation, however it found decisions at a political level.
17:45I believe that later, for example, this line prevailed over the previous one
17:53instead on one occasion in Mono the line of firmness was called which led to certain
17:56conclusions and it was on the occasion in which Asinara was closed, the special prison was closed
18:03of Asinara, the Urso operation with all that this meant, the mediation there
18:07he found himself.
18:08Was it even found, albeit in less confessable forms for Cirigio?
18:13It seems so.
18:16Was the conclusion of Moro's kidnapping his death or not?
18:23I believe that in those conditions it was very difficult to avoid a choice, to make a
18:30different choice from that one, but not because, as I repeat, we make the choice a priori
18:36to end it that way.
18:38because things turned out in a way where, each person taking responsibility
18:43very large certainly, also in general direction, then in the government of the country, because
18:47this fact was played out there.
18:49But why then if it is true, as you say, that there was no clarity on the part of the State,
18:53didn't you ask for it?
18:55But perhaps this had not even been understood so well, perhaps, that the problem we were posing
18:59it was the recognition that there was an open question in Italy, in short, that
19:05there were prisoners.
19:07Much has been said about the state of constraint in which Moro wrote his letters,
19:12It is true?
19:12No, absolutely, absolutely, there was an objective condition.
19:20which was a prisoner, undoubtedly, so this put Moro in a very difficult situation
19:23particular, he wrote to her several times, in short, his thoughts are very clear there,
19:32he didn't write a single sentence, he wrote letters to many people in which he expresses a way
19:38politician to face a contradiction.
19:40I would not deny that you were interested in the drafting, the destination, the timeliness
19:46of those letters.
19:46Yes, of course, those letters would be missed.
19:50Moro had this point of view on the matter, he certainly did not agree with the destruction
19:55of Christian democracy, but that was what we proposed as a strategic line and on this we differed,
20:01It was on the question of prisoners that Moro expressed a type of judgment, of perspective
20:11already experimented in other cases, as in the case of the Palestinians for example, he suggested to me,
20:18who was facing the possibility of mediation, Moro was interested in both
20:22political perspective, as well as the concreteness of a solution.
20:26In what state of mind did Moro write his letters, as far as his memories go?
20:37The state of mind of someone who knows that he is facing a very thorny issue, difficult to solve,
20:43the state of mind of someone who is worried about the difficulty of a situation, even with hope
20:49but it shines through in his letters, he says it, he writes it to his wife.
20:55Did he show them to you spontaneously or did you expect him to read them?
21:01Moro was an intelligent person, he knew very well that we would not read, so Moro
21:06he wanted to write, he wrote it and it was delivered, if we thought it could go to a certain
21:10direction, Moro had the idea that the question of political prisoners could be solved,
21:15this was his fundamental idea, that a mediation path could be identified, this
21:20It was his idea and he was looking for it.
21:23Were you the only one conducting the interrogation?
21:28I am one of those who feels responsible for everything that happened during that period.
21:32and also about what happened to Moro.
21:34What in particular did you expect Moro to say?
21:46But I couldn't tell you anything in particular, in those years the plots that had been identified,
22:02evidently perhaps a clarification was expected, but evidently, I speak very honestly,
22:13either it isn't there or Moro would be kept to himself.
22:19What is known about those interrogations is everything you told each other or is there more?
22:23somewhere and if so where, presumably?
22:26Ah, what I know is that what we had was published, was published,
22:31it was made public, there is nothing they didn't keep secret, there was no reason to
22:37and there is still no reason to keep anything secret today.
22:43And did you record your conversations?
22:50Yes.
22:53Yes.
22:55Yes, yes, they were recorded, they were recorded, transcribed and then I think that all
22:59this stuff was destroyed.
23:02Destroyed where?
23:03From whom?
23:08It is certain that it was destroyed, I know it for certain, I cannot say for certain, I repeat,
23:14you see these details, unfortunately I know it makes a bad impression, but these details and many
23:22others. I would have no difficulty clarifying them in the exact post, because they are banalities.
23:29as far as the... because I know that they don't change anything about the historical evaluation
23:34and policy that can be made on the episode and on the entire history of the Red Brigades.
23:40Meaning they wouldn't add anything significant.
23:44So what?
23:45So what is it? It's that each of these specifications would almost certainly lead to
23:51from the people in prison. Because this story is politically over, but it's not a
23:57legal history finished.
23:59So this material was destroyed by the BR?
24:02Yes, yes, it was destroyed by the BR, but the recorded reels were certainly
24:06destroyed by the Red Brigades. Then if someone made something disappear, it wasn't the Brigades.
24:11Red ones, well don't come and ask me, I don't know, because this is also said,
24:15that is, are you asking me or are you attributing disappearances and hiding places to the Red Brigades...
24:23But if that material belonged to the Red Brigades and it was the Red Brigades who destroyed it
24:31and now she says that if something is left, someone must know something, someone who
24:38he's not from the Red Brigades, who is this someone?
24:41Well, this is a good question, in the sense that since it is said, that is, I unfortunately have to
24:46to be brutal, since at a certain point a Red Brigades base in Via Montenevosa falls
24:51in Milan, it is kept there, something is kept very badly, if it was supposed to be a secret thing,
24:59which was the written draft copy of these things written by Moro, which had to be copied
25:06and prepared for publication, then printed, in anything but secret, on this basis this
25:14it was done. Some say that some of this material was made to disappear, but what do I know?
25:21I don't know, ask whoever seized this material.
25:24On April 18th, a presumed Red Brigades statement announced the death, by suicide, of
25:30quotation marks, of Aldo Moro and spread the news that his body had been thrown
25:34in the Duchess lake and which in those days was completely covered with ice, like
25:39She too will remember. It has been hypothesized from many sides and I believe there is some basis for it.
25:43that the document, clearly false, had been written by secret service men
25:48Piluists to simulate the death of Aldo Moro and test the impact of the announcement on public opinion
25:56public, a sort of macabre dress rehearsal. What was your reaction to this?
26:01Exactly so, that it was a dress rehearsal by someone who also wanted to force the hand
26:05then all in all, why announce death, mobilize certain things and determine
26:11public opinion evidently creates a climate from which it is then very difficult
26:17come out. So a provocation was used as a provocation, this I
26:23It seems quite obvious. The Red Brigades published a photo which proved
26:29exactly the opposite and this would further demonstrate our will
26:33to seek solutions rather than rush to conclusions.
26:42A little while ago, when I asked her if Moro wrote his letters under duress,
26:47She flatly denied it. Now Moro writes, I find myself under full and uncontrolled domination,
26:54subjected to a popular process that can be appropriately controlled.
26:59Moro simply said, there is no one behind the Red Brigades. It's useless for you to go
27:06to look somewhere, because he imagined, moreover he knows the building very well, that
27:12at that moment the services would have moved, all possible plots would have moved
27:20imaginable and therefore also those who were looking for solutions looking for someone behind. Moro when
27:26he said, I am under full and controlled dominion, I have to tell you this, that look
27:33that no one is controlling the Red Brigades. Look, I say this subjectively too,
27:39he had the opportunity to specify it with Moro.
27:42In a previous conversation you told me that you were, so to speak, chased.
27:46from an unbearable question, even if never explicitly formulated, more or less full of malice,
27:52of prejudice and malevolence. That question was aimed at knowing how she reacts to suspicion.
28:00to have played an ambiguous role within the BR, a role that a more or less conspiracy theorist
28:05suggestible would define it as transversal. Here, you have the opportunity and the space to say it.
28:11How do you react to this suspicion of ambiguity, of transversality?
28:15With great serenity and tranquility, in the sense that I realize that through
28:20This accusation aims to undermine the idea of ​​the authenticity of the Red Brigades.
28:29The thesis that the Red Brigades were manipulated from outside is a thesis dear to those who cannot
28:39to bear the idea that events and initiatives have taken place in this country,
28:45political projects outside the palace games were played out. The palace had
28:55its occult and transversal implications. P2 teaches, P2 has traveled transversally
29:03All state institutions. It's a fact, I'm not the one saying it and I'm not accusing anyone.
29:07because I'm not able to do it. So the transversality of my supposed attitude
29:17within the Red Brigades it is specious, so I don't feel touched in the least.
29:24The comrades who know me, 15 years of militancy in the Red Brigades, do not deserve any consideration.
29:34Why is she the object of this suspicion, if not even this accusation?
29:39Me, because I was a leader of the Red Brigades for many years, practically
29:44from their beginning, the beginning of the 70's until my arrest which was in '81 and then
29:53if you know how to choose a character to demonize and to exclude the possibility, or at least
30:04to hint at the possibility of exploitation and transversalism within this organization,
30:11okay, it's clear that the character has somehow been going through it all these years.
30:18But if we take note together that this suspicion also comes from within the Red Brigades, it changes
30:25his way of reacting or not?
30:28Absolutely not this either, because I have many companions, they are Red Brigades, people
30:36with whom I shared my life for many years, it is a problem that for me does not exist, it exists
30:42as a political problem, yes, as a problem of interpretation of a phenomenon.
30:49The transversal and manipulated Moretti character, who then manipulates all the others, is an invention
30:59structural which should then justify the explanation of a phenomenon, in the sense of putting
31:08the authenticity and the fact that the Red Brigades were an experience are being questioned
31:16complex produced by a real movement.
31:18It may be that Moretti refers to this accusation or this exploitation
31:23the point of friction between her and some of her companions in the interpretation of certain issues
31:29which affected the organization, management and operation of the Ebr.
31:34Look, the diversity of ideas and points of view in the Red Brigades have always been very
31:44legitimate, even very broad. Every choice has always been discussed a lot, there is always
31:50It has been a very long and also very deep political discussion, whenever it has been
31:58had to make any choice, from operational to strategic,
32:02to the tactical one. In reality, on this level everyone was aware of everything,
32:07not only that, but they were involved in producing ideas and suggestions and then organizing what
32:17It was the political practice of the Red Brigades, it was absolutely not possible that
32:21all this manipulation could be possible. So even the diversity, the discussion was
32:25part of this process of determining the will and choices that the Brigades then
32:31Reds operated. I don't know what you're referring to when you talk about these frictions.
32:37For example, the interpretation regarding whether or not to kill Aldo Moro?
32:42That was an extremely difficult and important political choice. I believe there never was one.
32:50toughest choice in the Red Brigades, but I don't think there was another one so almost
32:58unanimous. We'll talk about it later. It has been said and written that Moro's freedom would have benefited
33:03much more since his death to the cause of the Red Brigades. If this is true, why was he killed?
33:09I know that the organization was almost unanimous with comrades who were not at
33:15agreement, but we can't even talk about a majority or a minority, almost practically the entire organization
33:21he spoke in that way, because politically it was a choice that at that point became
33:26forced, unless an intervention in extremis had changed something, even if only slightly.
33:38Moretti, in your opinion Moro, do you ever believe with certainty that you have saved your life or on the contrary?
33:44of having lost it.
33:52Moro knew he was in a very difficult situation and that situation was determined by the Brigades
33:58Red, on this he had understood the nature of the Red Brigades, their non-maneuverability
34:05and on the other hand he found himself faced with a political system that did not give him answers regarding
34:11to what he proposed as a political direction on the issue.
34:16The moment he felt lost was the moment he had the opportunity to read Paul's letter.
34:25Sestres, there making political arguments that are a spade, a very solid block
34:39it had cemented itself.
34:43Moretti, we are at the conclusion, the consultation of your companions, the orders, the agreements
34:55and the roles and so on.
34:59Please describe to me, if you can, the final moments of the operation.
35:11I cannot.
35:16Moro knew he was going to die, and if he was spared the announcement, who or what was responsible?
35:24Moro was always aware of the entire operation, from beginning to end.
35:32So whatever was done, Moro knew it, which naturally concerned him.
35:40Can you give me a clearer, more explicit answer?
35:43Did Moro know he would be killed or not?
35:49He knew that the choice we would make had reached a point where it was inevitable.
35:59He was perfectly aware of this.
36:03Was nothing done to make Moro believe that his life would be spared?
36:11I repeat, no cruelty was applied in any way, neither with physical nor psychological treatment.
36:20that he created a state for him, at least this I repeat, as far as all my responsibilities are concerned.
36:29There was no possibility of psychologically inflicting abuse on the prisoner's condition.
36:43Would you like to tell me the moment when you put that token in that telephone?
37:02But there is little to say.
37:09More than that token, it was the wait for the next few hours, in short, for something to happen, but nothing happened.
37:23Is it true that Moro was also given a token, and if so, why?
37:26No, it's false.
37:29They died after the tragedy was over, after everything had already been done.
37:34Have you ever wondered what human aspects of Moro remained to you?
37:41and what was he most impressed by?
37:45What had most affected him about that meeting?
37:51However true the character's role, the person is richer and cannot be reduced to this.
37:59To be clear, did you ever miss Moro alive?
38:06The political situation does not allow for these regrets, also because I would never kill a person.
38:18And I consider it a thing, believe it or not, I don't care, I can't imagine it.
38:30But this has been my life, I can't have another.
38:40And unfortunately I'm not even an actor.
38:49What is your balance sheet today?
38:51Can it indicate a day, a time, a situation, a state of mind?
38:55To say when, where and why did you feel that a BR battle was lost?
39:08I am convinced that the Red Brigades, our experience is exhausted, but since I cannot think in terms
39:19winners and losers,
39:22but in terms of a clash that has produced a transformation, I can point out for my part that much
39:29some of our expectations have not been met.
39:37But the problem is that a movement has run out of steam and with it the movements have also run out of steam.
39:48Red Brigades,
39:49It didn't happen in a day, it happened over a period of years, in the late 1980s, it became clear,
39:57Despite all our efforts, our attempts only produced divisions, splits, no longer produced possible and practicable answers.
40:12at the level of movements that were transforming into a society that had transformed itself and therefore this experience was
40:19it's sold out.
40:20We took note of it at a certain point, yes, I took note of it, I'm not aware of it.
40:25I'll count it in a moment,
40:26but at a certain point, together with other comrades, we took note of it and responsibly told everyone,
40:32Gentlemen, this experience, dear comrades, as far as our ability to evaluate it is concerned, is exhausted and is unrepeatable,
40:40we say it to our comrades but we also say it to everyone else.
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