00:00Jim Schwartz, who was the runner-up for the head coach's job in the offseason.
00:06If by chance the head coach is not able to fulfill his responsibilities.
00:10That is correct.
00:14Okay.
00:15He did not win the Miss America pageant,
00:18so Jim Schwartz then decided to just walk away from it.
00:22He walked away, not coaching anywhere else.
00:24From about $5 million.
00:26Yeah, I mean, it's significant.
00:28Put your money where your mouth is, that's for sure.
00:30So Jim Schwartz walked away from all that money,
00:33and then we never really heard from him again until yesterday.
00:36You know, the day after arguably the biggest trade in Browns history.
00:41It's good timing.
00:42Is that fair?
00:44Paul Warfield always seems to come back.
00:47I don't know.
00:48Give me another trade in Browns history.
00:51We'll think about that.
00:51Anyway, he was on Ryan Ripken's show in Baltimore,
00:55and Ryan is Cal's son.
00:56Cal Jr.'s son.
00:58Yeah, Cal Jr.'s son.
00:59Sorry.
01:00I thought he might be Cal Sr.'s youngest son, but I didn't know.
01:04Well, God, Billy's got to be.
01:06I'm just thinking.
01:07Yeah, I didn't know.
01:09I didn't know.
01:09Yeah, anyway.
01:10So it's his.
01:10Looked it up, double check.
01:11So senior's grandson, Cal's son.
01:14And so he's got his own show.
01:16And then he got Schwartz to talk on his show yesterday,
01:19and you know we were all ears about what he had to say,
01:23so here's your chance to hear it.
01:24The Browns made a change at head coach.
01:26They passed over me with all the success that we had
01:30and the ability to develop players.
01:33Our best players had their best years,
01:35and that was the decision they made.
01:37They wanted to go with an offensive guy.
01:39They chose Todd.
01:40I'm fine with that.
01:40They can make decisions that they want to make.
01:43They can't expect me to stay on board for that.
01:46Anybody that's in any business, you get passed over for a promotion.
01:50When you've done a really, really good job in your job, it's time to go.
01:54Todd deserved his own guy.
01:55A forced marriage isn't going to work in the NFL.
01:58Having command of the players and having command in the locker room,
02:01all those things are extremely important.
02:03I didn't feel like I could do my job after getting passed over for the head coaching job.
02:08Put me in a tough position.
02:10Hey, we want you to listen to this guy, but we didn't want to make him the head coach.
02:14I made the decision to resign.
02:15As a result, we weren't one of the best defenses in three years.
02:18We were the best defense in three years.
02:21The decision they made, that's their decision.
02:23But to expect me to stay and to be me be on board for that, that's just a tough situation.
02:28And it wouldn't have been good for me and it wouldn't have been good for Todd.
02:31So it was best for him to get his own guy in there as opposed to just having an arranged
02:36marriage
02:37and maybe having some players more loyal to me than him.
02:40I'd never been around that before.
02:42That all went into decision.
02:44I wasn't upset about it.
02:45I was disappointed about it.
02:46My experience told me that wasn't going to be a situation that was going to work.
02:51Huh.
02:53As I listened to it in the beginning, I was like, ah, you could have stayed.
02:56And then I started listening more to what he had to say.
02:58And I'm like, maybe that makes sense.
03:01I agree with absolutely everything he said.
03:04Still, I would have liked for him to stay.
03:07Sure, I would have too.
03:08For all the reasons that he had laid out, I don't think the respect factor was going to change.
03:14And I do think players would have still respected him.
03:20The key would have been that Todd Munkin would have had to have trusted him, you know, like he was,
03:28you know.
03:31There is a way to make that work.
03:34And the awkwardness can – look, when you're winning, Jeff, and you see that the guy that didn't get the
03:42job
03:42can respect the guy that did get the job, but more importantly, the guy that did get the job
03:47respects the guy that was there before, I think it can work.
03:50I understand everything he said was right.
03:53Everything he said was right.
03:55Especially for $5 million.
03:56What if Jim was steamed the whole time?
03:59Steamed the entire time.
04:00Well, that was it.
04:01That was it.
04:02That Jim would have had to let that go.
04:04Which is difficult to do.
04:07I mean, he wanted a second chance to be an NFL head coach.
04:11Will he get another one?
04:13Unlikely.
04:15Unlikely.
04:15Would his path of being a head coach, would it have been better if he would have stayed
04:21as the number two guy here?
04:23You could make the argument that it would have been unlikely had he stayed.
04:30If the team that benefited from his great work as a defensive coordinator didn't promote him,
04:37why would anybody else?
04:40Now, somebody might.
04:41You know, somebody might hire him.
04:43But he's at the age where in the NFL you would think,
04:47okay, do you want to hire a veteran coach who,
04:50I mean, certainly, if Munkin wanted to, he could coach into his 70s.
04:54If he wanted to, and he's successful.
04:56Right.
04:56I mean, the age isn't a thing other than,
04:59will a team hire a 60-year-old head coach for the first or second time?
05:06And I get it.
05:08Schwartz thought he deserved the job, thought he earned the job,
05:11thought it should be his.
05:13He didn't get it.
05:13Eh, this wouldn't fit real well.
05:16And maybe he and Todd, I don't know what kind of a relationship they have.
05:21Todd's, we've learned a little bit about Munkin, haven't we?
05:24He's pretty much a straight shooter.
05:26Yeah.
05:27I wonder if they would have rubbed each other the wrong way
05:30or if they would have been exactly on the same page.
05:32Who knows?
05:33But certainly Jim Schwartz had the right to walk away, and he did.
05:37Mm-hmm.
05:39And the Browns shouldn't care, Andy, because they hired one guy over the other.
05:44Right.
05:45So, okay, if you really wanted Jim to be here, you should have hired him.
05:49And apparently you really didn't because you hired somebody else.
05:55It's just interesting, though.
05:56The perspective that he said is they wanted an offensive guy.
05:59Well, they needed an offensive guy.
06:03The defense could be great if you can't get more than 14 points a game.
06:07It doesn't matter that you are the best defense.
06:10You could be the best defense, but teams are still going to get –
06:13at the end of the day, you're going to get worn down in the fourth quarter,
06:17and all it takes is a couple field goals to beat you.
06:20I mean, you could do – you could be the best defense and give up, what,
06:2370 yards in every drive and not allow another team to get into the end zone.
06:28But if your offense can't score, it just takes one drive to a field goal range
06:32and you've lost.
06:34They had to improve the offense.
06:37And, again, could they have with Jim Schwartz
06:39and maybe they bring in another offensive coordinator that would have been better,
06:43that could improve, that could make things happen?
06:45But, yeah, I think it goes back to the big question that even Charles Robinson said
06:50on our show.
06:51If you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a team.
06:56And they've got to be able to score.
06:59I just think that – I would have loved to have seen Munkin and Schwartz together.
07:02I'm not going to lie.
07:03I think it would have been a pretty good tandem.
07:05Or it would have been the greatest or the worst.
07:09And I'll buy into what you're saying.
07:11Just for the sake of argument.
07:13Okay.
07:13All right, they needed an offensive guy.
07:15Okay.
07:16Okay, I agree.
07:17Schwartz did too.
07:19And, well, Schwartz said it.
07:20He didn't say they needed an offensive guy.
07:22They hired – he said they hired the offensive guy.
07:25They wanted –
07:26Two of the three highest scoring teams last year were led by head coaches
07:32who have a defensive background, New England and Seattle.
07:36So if the Browns wanted to, they could have hired Jim Schwartz
07:40and then just gone and brought in an offensive coordinator.
07:42True.
07:43And the offensive coordinator could have done, you know, the job.
07:48And then that guy, you know, be in line to be a head coach down the road.
07:51But the key to having a great offense isn't necessarily hiring a head coach
07:56with an offensive background.
07:58It's hiring a coach to run the offense.
08:02Maybe it's the head coach who is good and good players.
08:06The Browns certainly didn't have enough talent last year.
08:08They didn't have good players either.
08:11Do you have – now that we're a couple months into this thing,
08:15I think Todd Munkin is – they haven't played a game yet,
08:19so I don't even know why we're saying this.
08:20Go ahead and say it.
08:21But Munkin has grown on all of us.
08:23I kind of feel like some of the things he's –
08:26Yeah, the things that he's saying –
08:28He's like grumpy Uncle Todd.
08:32Agree?
08:32We love the fact that it's a lack of BS.
08:35We know he's going to come out and he's going to tell us what the hell's on his mind
08:38at any given damn time, and you're going to listen to it loud and clear.
08:41Wait, is he Todd Munkin or Jim Ignatowski from Taxi?
08:45Is there a difference?
08:47No.
08:50Super Dave Osborne.
08:52No, no.
08:53That hurts after a while, by the way.
08:54I'm sure it does.
08:55I don't know if we can do that very often.
08:56Yeah, but Super Dave, that was his real voice.
08:59Yeah, well, that's what he sounded like.
09:01Him by comedians in cars getting coffee is an all-timer.
09:04Bob Einstein on those two episodes is so good.
09:07Just give me a great Scott.
09:09Great Scott!
09:11Back to the future, you feel it?
09:13I don't feel it.
09:15Did they make the right move?
09:17You're not going to be able to answer that question until season starts.
09:21Schwartz did a great job here, Andy, but they chose to go another direction.
09:28We'll see.
09:28But I understand why Schwartz said, okay, thanks.
09:34And, as opposed to others, he was in a financial situation where he could pull that move.
09:40I'm done, thanks.
09:42By the way, speaking of Todd Munkin, he'll be on Afternoon Drive today, and so will Jared Verse.
09:46Oh, hey, hey.
09:46So both of those press conferences will be on Afternoon Drive today, so make sure you're sticking
09:50around after our show, Todd Munkin press conference, Jared Verse press conference, all coming up
09:56on Afternoon Drive when we are done.
09:58Let me go back to a question that I thought you brought up earlier today, and it's if the
10:05Browns defense goes backwards, is it because Miles isn't there, or is it because Jim Schwartz
10:14isn't there?
10:16You're essentially, you're returning, again, if you look at what Arlan says for a depth
10:20chart, nine of 11 starters on defense next year, and you heard what?
10:26And you're plugging in a replacement who's one of the better guys in the league at that
10:31position.
10:32Yeah.
10:35Whose fault is it if it goes backwards?
10:37Man, to me, that seems to scream.
10:40Remember, the year number three with Jim Schwartz wasn't as good as year one or year three.
10:44Excuse me, year number two.
10:45Remember that middle year?
10:46They regressed a little bit.
10:48Things happen.
10:49Guys get older, injuries, stuff like that.
10:51I get it.
10:52Jeff is in North Olsen.
10:53What do you think of this defense?
10:54Hi, Jeff.
10:55Good morning, gentlemen.
10:56Thank you for taking my call.
10:57Andy, real quick, sidebar.
10:59Game one was an indication of the Stanley Cup Finals we're about to get last night.
11:04That was a heck of a game.
11:06Not sure if you watched it, but I figured I'd touch on the hockey real quick.
11:09No, I know.
11:09I was reading all about it this morning.
11:11I did not see the game last night, but I've got a text chain of buddies that,
11:14they're all into it, and they're on me every day about the NHL playoffs.
11:17But, yeah, it sounds like it was a great game last night.
11:19Yeah.
11:19Oh, it was a heck of a game.
11:21So, anyways, after these past couple days, each day I feel like I've gotten a little
11:24bit more receptive to this trade.
11:27And one thing is clear now is we now possess the back-to-back defensive rookies of the
11:33year at the first and second level.
11:36That's intriguing.
11:36You know, getting rid of a player, obviously, Myles' stature is tough to digest.
11:41None of us were ever going to be fully satisfied with what the return was going to be.
11:45Everybody's going to have a difference of opinion on that.
11:48But, with that being said, I'll miss Myles, the talent, obviously the double-digit sacks,
11:53but I've got to tell you guys, I'm not going to miss talking about speeding tickets every
11:57offseason.
11:58There are certain things I'm not going to miss that are part of this equation.
12:01At the end of the day, this trade was made for the future, right?
12:05And to get a quarterback in place by the time Jimmy's world opens in that dome.
12:12And at the end of the day, that's what's going to need to happen.
12:15And the offense is going to need to complement the defense at some point, because we haven't
12:20seen complementary football in years, guys.
12:22So, I'm hopeful for it.
12:24I think it's the right move.
12:25It addresses the future and gives us way more flexibility.
12:28It's tough to see great players go, but that's the nature of the business.
12:32Have a great day, gentlemen.
12:34Appreciate it, Jeff in North Olmstead.
12:36I'm Jeffrey.
12:37Huh.
12:38So, a lot on the table there.
12:40You heard what Jim Schwartz had to say.
12:42When you're looking at the defense next year, now, are you going to say, hey, this defense
12:47better be as good as it was with Myles Garrett, because I don't think that's fair, or this
12:52defense better be as good or as strong because you're returning 9 of 11.
12:58And if it's not, why did you get rid of Jim Schwartz?
13:01Why didn't you try to figure out a way to try to make this work with Todd Munkin?
13:04Because, as he said, you know, it's a forced marriage, and there was no way that he was
13:08going to stick around for this forced marriage.
13:10Who is getting blamed if the defense goes backwards this year?
13:12I don't want to be negative about going into next year, but who's getting blamed?
13:17You can blame the front office for trading Myles.
13:20Our new buddy, Rudy.
13:21Rudy gets blamed.
13:23Dan, who are you blaming?
13:24Boy, that's a good call, Jeff, because it's back to the whole thing of what happens when
13:27the baseball team doesn't hit.
13:29Fire the hitting coach.
13:30It's kind of back to that whole idea.
13:33I wonder if you might be on to something on that one.
13:35To me, it'll be on the fact that you just don't have the gravitational pull of Myles Garrett.
13:40You know what?
13:41I don't even know if it's that far.
13:43I wonder if there will be a chunk of Browns fans that will just throw their palms up in
13:47the sky and go, defenses are fickle.
13:49Like, it's just the truth of the matter.
13:52Defenses are like bullpens, Dan.
13:53Yeah, you could be the best defense in the league, and the next year you could be the
13:57seventh best, and then you could be the fourth best, and then you could be the tenth, and
14:00it just moves up and down.
14:02And so, it might just be palms to the air.
14:06I don't know.
14:07Defenses are fickle.
14:09I think when it's said and done, the front office, if for some reason they go backwards, the front office
14:18will get blamed for trading Myles, and ownership will get blamed for not taking the right head coach.
14:27Ownership will come back.
14:28Wow, you're throwing it around, Andy.
14:29Well, I'm just saying, people are going to come back and say, you know, that was stupid that they didn't
14:33hire Jim Schwartz.
14:33Why didn't they do that?
14:34They're blaming everybody.
14:35You know, what's Jim Schwartz?
14:36And then people will be like, well, what's Jim Schwartz doing now?
14:39And they'll be like, why didn't he get another job?
14:40And you're like, well, he's still under contract from the Browns.
14:45I just, it'll be interesting to see how that plays.
14:48It'll be that constant talking circle of the people who want to make their point will make their point with
14:52the way of welcome.
14:53You didn't get a head coaching job anyway.
14:54And we'll see what this Browns defense looks like under Mike Rutenberg.
14:58It sounds like it's going to be relatively similar.
15:00They're going to keep the same concepts and ideas.
15:02It's just a matter of messaging.
15:04And will the guys buy into what's there?
15:08Or does the league make an adjustment to what Jim Schwartz and the Browns defense does?
15:11And can they adjust back?
15:13Would you guys agree with this?
15:15If Verse wasn't in this trade, people would be screaming about this trade.
15:20Yes.
15:21Yes.
15:21Okay.
15:22Yes, because you've got a known versus an unknown.
15:26And a replacement.
15:28And people will say, go back.
15:30I know Andrew.
15:32And then people will be questioning the last two drafts, right?
15:35They'll say like, well, I know Andrew had a good draft last year, two years ago.
15:39And I mean, this one looks good on paper.
15:42But look at all the other drafts.
15:44I mean, they have just sucked.
15:46You know, it's his fault they didn't have those first-round picks anyway.
15:49I mean, he did pull the trigger on the Deshaun Watson deal.
15:52Oh, they got nothing back in that, right?
15:56That's where that would go.
15:58We all know it.
15:58But.
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