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00:00working with Galvão
00:01It's an opportunity that I
00:03I always dreamed of it, but I never imagined it.
00:06that I would have that opportunity
00:07so for me it's something
00:10Rewarding, I think it is.
00:11a partnership that we have
00:14getting more and more refined
00:15with the entire SBT team
00:17Of course we'll also be rooting for the Brazilian team.
00:20then there would be no Brazilian arbitration
00:22in the finals, if Brazil is
00:24But we'll be rooting for the team.
00:26Brazilian woman, do a good job!
00:27They'll say, "Oh, it's easier to work."
00:30in the World Cup game that in the Brazilian game
00:32Maybe yes, because the lack
00:34of criteria, the lack of standardization
00:36that's what makes the
00:38People complain a lot and we
00:40There are more controversial plays.
00:42than what happens, for example, in international competitions.
00:44Hello friends of Lance
00:46Today we will continue.
00:48our Voices of the Cup series
00:50where we are interviewing professionals
00:52who will cover the event more
00:54expected in 2026
00:55For this episode, a topic
00:57which Brazilians really like
00:59to talk about
01:01arbitration
01:02And nothing better than Nadine Bastas.
01:04to talk to us about this topic
01:05Nadine, welcome to Lance.
01:09Thank you very much, Lucas.
01:10Thank you for the invitation, it's always a pleasure.
01:12to talk to you, to talk about
01:14arbitration, talk about
01:16Changing the rules of the game
01:18and especially
01:20about the World Cup
01:23Nadine, before we go in
01:25on the topic
01:26arbitration itself
01:27I wanted you to speak first.
01:28How has this experience been?
01:30to be able to host this World Cup
01:32on SBT
01:33in partnership with Nesportes
01:39For my age, gigantic.
01:41I'm happy with this opportunity to work.
01:43at the SBT Cup
01:44and especially with the team
01:46that I'm going to work
01:47whom I have immense admiration for.
01:49by Galvão Bueno
01:51by Thiago
01:52by Mauro Bete
01:53by the Duck
01:54by Juninho Paulista
01:55by the entire team that will be working
01:56Join us at this World Cup!
01:58so it's always anxiety
02:00because I understand that
02:01the most important competition
02:04that we can transmit
02:05in relation to football
02:08So I am very happy.
02:10with this opportunity
02:11and quite anxious too
02:13Did you mention Galvão?
02:15so I wanted you
02:16could speak for a little bit
02:18What's it like behind the scenes?
02:19working with him
02:21this icon of sports journalism
02:23that striking voice
02:24that delights us all
02:25What is that relationship like?
02:27this pair
02:27It's already sharp.
02:28everyone is ready
02:29For coverage of the World Cup?
02:32We're already sharp.
02:34already training a lot
02:35working with Galvão
02:37It's an opportunity.
02:38that I always dreamed of
02:40I never imagined it.
02:41that I would have that opportunity
02:42so for me
02:43It's something rewarding.
02:46I think it's a partnership.
02:48that we have
02:49getting more and more refined
02:51with the entire SBT team
02:52So I believe that's how it is.
02:55we have a lot of things
02:57to speak to the public
03:00in this broadcast
03:01I think the team
03:02He's fitting in quite well.
03:03Yes, for me it is an honor.
03:04to be on Galvão's side
03:06and with the whole team
03:07because he represents a lot
03:09in journalism, in narration
03:11So for me it's an honor.
03:12of working with him
03:14and with everyone
03:15from the Enesports team
03:16and from SBT
03:18Nadine
03:19now let's go
03:20Regarding the controversy there
03:21Let's talk about refereeing.
03:23Ramon Abatiabel
03:24Wilton Pereira Sampaio
03:26and Rafael Claus
03:27our three representatives
03:29Brazilians at the World Cup
03:30How do you rate it?
03:32these three referees
03:34and if so
03:35That's exactly what we have.
03:37They are the best.
03:37today in Brazil
03:38Or do you think that
03:39It could have another name.
03:40what was missing
03:41that could have been
03:42Are you happy with this opportunity?
03:46Having three referees
03:48representing Brazil
03:49at the World Cup
03:50It is something that is
03:51recognition
03:52from FIFA
03:53from Conmebol
03:53so I think
03:54we
03:55Of course
03:57criticism
03:58arbitration
03:59very
03:59in controversial moves
04:00in the Brazilian championship
04:01in the Copa do Brasil
04:02in national competitions
04:03but they
04:04in international competitions
04:06They are well recognized.
04:08then
04:09when we see
04:09three referees from Brazil
04:11are selected
04:13to go to a World Cup
04:14It's a sign.
04:15that Brazilian arbitration
04:17is well regarded
04:19outside of Brazil
04:20then
04:21that means
04:21they have
04:22this recognition
04:23Yes, I believe so.
04:24that Wilton Pereira Sampaio
04:25He is one of the most prepared.
04:26to go to the World Cup
04:27he goes to his
04:28third World Cup
04:29He has previously worked as a VAR.
04:30and as the main referee
04:33last
04:33and now
04:34you will have the opportunity
04:35to work in the fields again
04:36then
04:37three World Cups
04:39It means you are competent.
04:40to be there
04:41It's something that we also
04:43you need to analyze it carefully
04:44Because yes, we do criticize.
04:45most of the time
04:46arbitration
04:47in national competitions
04:49but they are
04:50super prepared
04:52to be at the World Cup
04:53So I think that
04:54super important
04:54also value that
04:56we have three referees
04:57representing Brazil
04:58It's something that few people...
05:01They manage
05:02in relation to
05:03to these vacancies
05:05So I think Brazil
05:06It is well represented.
05:07Rafael Claus also
05:08who is one of the main referees
05:09and Ramon Abate
05:11who is a young referee
05:12who had a great opportunity
05:14to enter the picture
05:15from FIFA in 2024
05:16and already host an Olympics
05:17and not just host an Olympics
05:19to make the final
05:21something that no Brazilian
05:22had done
05:23until now
05:24then
05:24It means that he has
05:26trust
05:27from FIFA
05:27who understands
05:28who is a young referee
05:29who has the capacity
05:30from there too
05:31to work
05:31maybe in three cups
05:33of the world
05:33because they analyze
05:35That's very true.
05:35age
05:36and the career
05:37that this referee
05:37can develop
05:38so I think
05:39they are
05:41well-rated
05:42internationally
05:43And I'll be rooting for you.
05:44too much for them
05:45Do a good job!
05:46who knows
05:47Of course we will.
05:48cheering too
05:49for the Brazilian national team
05:50then it wouldn't
05:50Brazilian arbitration
05:52in the finals
05:52in case Brazil is
05:53But we'll be rooting for them.
05:55so that the Brazilian team
05:56Do a good job.
05:57remembering that the number
05:58total number of referees
06:00at the World Cup
06:01There are nine.
06:01three main referees
06:03We have five assistants.
06:04and an arbiter of life
06:06Andadine
06:07you said
06:07obvious
06:08the Brazilian
06:09doesn't want to
06:09a presence
06:11of a referee
06:11national in the final
06:13because we want to
06:13Brazil is in the final.
06:14but if I had
06:16having a Brazilian
06:17which of these three
06:18do you think
06:19more prepared
06:20to get on stage
06:22main
06:22in the World Cup final
06:23and manage to do
06:24Excellent work!
06:27I think of those three
06:28who has more experience
06:30It would be Wilton Pereira Sampaio.
06:31to work
06:32in a final
06:32World Cup
06:34until it's your third
06:36and perhaps the last
06:37World cup
06:38so that he can work
06:38So I think FIFA
06:39also works a lot
06:40with the question
06:41hierarchy
06:42so I believe
06:43that he would
06:44the chosen referee
06:45if we had
06:46a Brazilian
06:47in the final
06:47or if we'll be able to
06:49to have a Brazilian
06:51in the World Cup final
06:52I think Wilton
06:52would be the chosen referee
06:55Nadine
06:56Did you ever speak?
06:56a little
06:57about controversies
06:58and the three referees
06:59they end up moving
07:01in controversial
07:02here in national football
07:03And I wanted you to speak.
07:05how do you judge
07:06this difference
07:07to fit
07:07a game
07:08national
07:09and international
07:10because like you yourself
07:11he spoke
07:11they go outside
07:13and they are well rated
07:14Love Beat Bel
07:15we even had
07:16a reality check
07:17at the World Cup
07:18of clubs
07:18where did he leave from
07:19very well rated
07:21in the international company
07:22Even we here in Brazil
07:23He also praised it highly.
07:24his performance
07:24but it seems that
07:26It arrives here on national soil.
07:27We don't know what's happening.
07:29There's always a controversy.
07:30Why do you think this happens?
07:32The pressure is too great.
07:34I think that also exists.
07:35this work
07:36with regard to education
07:38in international competitions
07:40There is greater support.
07:42with regard to arbitration
07:43I think it exists.
07:44greater respect
07:45about the decisions
07:46of arbitration
07:47mainly
07:48in competitions
07:49from FIFA
07:50where there are teams
07:52from all over the world
07:53so I think that
07:54this pressure
07:55on top of the arbitration
07:57is smaller
07:57they will speak
07:58It's easier
07:59work in the game
08:00of the World Cup
08:01that in the Brazilian game
08:02perhaps yes
08:03out of respect
08:04and for the peace and quiet
08:05that the referee has
08:06to work
08:07and make decisions
08:08I think that here in Brazil
08:09we do
08:09a lot of pressure
08:11not only
08:11by players
08:12but technicians
08:13press
08:13then
08:14It's always something to pay attention to.
08:15very large
08:16mainly
08:17when the referee
08:18go to work
08:19in a great classic
08:21and these names
08:22these referees
08:23they usually
08:23they work very frequently
08:25in very big games
08:26so this pressure
08:29for sure
08:30also takes
08:31into the field
08:32as you yourself said
08:33at the Club World Cup
08:34Ramon Abate
08:35It went very well.
08:35and in the second round
08:37of the Brazilian Championship
08:38He wasn't doing so well anymore.
08:40and that
08:40he had just finished
08:41to return
08:41for a competition
08:42where he had been
08:43highly praised
08:44so I think
08:45in relation to
08:46the pressure
08:47work
08:48what is done
08:49here in Brazil
08:49in relation to
08:50at the discretion
08:51of arbitration
08:52the same referees
08:53the refereeing team
08:55It seems that it doesn't have
08:55the same concept
08:57of the rule
08:58so there is
08:59a lot of discussion
09:00from the video referee
09:01with the referee on the field
09:02And maybe this will pass.
09:03safely
09:04and they
09:05They have more fluctuations.
09:07at your job
09:08on the whistle
09:09here in the competitions
09:10national
09:11right guys
09:12if we could
09:13point
09:13whatnot
09:13some factor
09:14so decisive
09:16to change things up a bit
09:17this parameter
09:17because we see
09:19that they are good
09:19They prove themselves out there.
09:21and here
09:22It ends up being a problem.
09:23the pressure
09:24possible
09:24as we said
09:25but if I had
09:26like this
09:27a detail
09:28so as to change
09:28what do you think
09:29that could
09:29for us to bet
09:30and we have
09:31an arbitration
09:32more solid
09:33Here, right?
09:33like this
09:33so contested
09:35how it is
09:35nowadays
09:38standardization
09:39of the criterion
09:40of the concepts
09:41of the rules
09:41it's no use
09:42an arbitrator
09:42try to leave
09:43the game will take place
09:44for example
09:44Rafael Claus
09:45He is a referee.
09:46that has the style
09:46to mark
09:47few cups
09:48leave the biggest
09:48physical contact
09:49which is a style
09:50European
09:50which is a style
09:51of the Libertadores
09:52but a young referee
09:54This is where it comes in.
09:54in the Brazilian championship
09:55that doesn't have much of a name
09:56what are you going to do
09:57your first game
09:58in the A series
09:59or else
09:59It's starting.
10:01in the A series
10:01in the elite
10:02Brazilian football
10:03he marks
10:04many more absences
10:05he shows
10:06many more cards
10:07then
10:08the players
10:09You never know.
10:10what is the criterion
10:10that arbitration
10:11is using
10:12why
10:12in the same round
10:15in different games
10:16the bids
10:18very similar
10:19These are different decisions.
10:20So that's it.
10:21that the public
10:21doesn't understand
10:22for example
10:22Rafael Claus
10:23did not score
10:24a foul
10:24in this game
10:24that in the other move
10:26in the other game
10:27the youngest referee
10:28a very similar move
10:29marked
10:30so I think
10:31lack of criteria
10:32the lack of standardization
10:33That's what it does.
10:35with what people
10:36complain a lot
10:37and we
10:38There are more controversial plays.
10:39than what happens
10:40for example
10:41in international competitions
10:43where the referees
10:44Sometimes they don't score.
10:46that physical contact
10:47but none of them score
10:48so it seems that it is more
10:50acceptable
10:51So I think that's it.
10:52what is missing
10:52in Brazilian arbitration
10:54the standardization of the concept
10:56of the criterion
10:57Now, right, Dini?
10:58let's go
10:59We complain a lot.
11:00Brazilian arbitration
11:01but outside
11:02we know that too
11:03which is controversial
11:04There is also a referee.
11:05that is bludgeoned
11:06everyone likes
11:06to criticize the referee
11:08every fan
11:09like this
11:11quitting now
11:12Brazilians a little bit
11:12sideways
11:13Let's look at the big picture.
11:14of the referees
11:16they're going to get it right
11:17the World Cup
11:17Is there someone there?
11:19that if you fall into the game
11:20from Brazil
11:20we have to stay
11:21keep a closer eye
11:22worried
11:23what is called controversial
11:25What is your rating?
11:26from the overall picture
11:29We remember a lot.
11:30by Michael Oliver
11:31for the game
11:33with Croatia
11:34in the last World Cup
11:35We complain a lot.
11:37then
11:38He is the English referee.
11:40who is a referee
11:40very well known
11:41who works
11:41in big games
11:42has a great chance
11:43to get games right
11:44in Brazil
11:45so when we
11:46speaks like this
11:47arbitration
11:48we always
11:49Remember that habit?
11:50where the Brazilian national team
11:52It didn't go very well.
11:52so be more careful
11:54in relation to that
11:55and also the players
11:56who work in leagues
11:59for example
12:01in Spain
12:02so there is
12:03Spanish referees
12:03who know more
12:04Brazilians
12:06so I think
12:07in relation to
12:08to habits
12:09that are
12:10living more
12:10frequency
12:11Brazilian games
12:12who already know
12:13more the behavior
12:14in relation to
12:16to the games
12:17of the Brazilian national team
12:18but it doesn't have
12:19no habit
12:19that I speak like this
12:20Ah, this one.
12:20doesn't like Brazil
12:21or will you choose
12:22something that is not
12:23favorable
12:24I think everyone
12:25that are there
12:25are prepared
12:26to act
12:27at the World Cup
12:27And let's hope so.
12:29so that they
12:29don't make a mistake
12:30that it doesn't happen
12:31nothing
12:31with the Brazilian national team
12:33as has already happened
12:34last World Cup
12:37Nadine
12:37now, right?
12:38let's talk
12:38of the selection
12:39how are you
12:40this expectation
12:41with our
12:41hopscotch
12:42He is confident.
12:43with this assessment
12:45like this
12:45going out a little
12:46of arbitration
12:46going to the field
12:47Let's go over there!
12:48of work
12:48by Ancelotti
12:49how do you see
12:50the arrival
12:51of the selection
12:52in this World Cup
12:54I am Brazilian
12:56So I'm rooting for them.
12:57for the Brazilian national team
12:58always
12:58I don't believe
13:00that we are
13:00the favorite team
13:02but obviously
13:03I'll be rooting for you.
13:04so that the Brazilian national team
13:05be at the end
13:07but I think
13:08that exist
13:08more prepared teams
13:10I think France
13:12there are many
13:14young players
13:15with great desire
13:16which demonstrate
13:17a lot of grit
13:18and a lot of skill
13:19also
13:20so I think
13:21we
13:22you will have to
13:24a lot of race
13:25and wanting it very much
13:26and the cast
13:27It is very united.
13:27so that Brazil
13:28can do
13:30a good competition
13:31a good World Cup
13:32But we know.
13:34that the other selections
13:35They are very talented.
13:36also
13:36do you think that
13:37France
13:38She is the overwhelming favorite.
13:39Or you can
13:40to point out another selection
13:41like that too
13:41which may be
13:43ahead
13:43of the selection
13:44Spain
13:44and England
13:46Spain
13:47and England
13:47Germany
13:48always the big ones
13:50the big ones
13:52teams
13:52I think that
13:53they are always
13:55competing
13:55very
13:56very strong
13:56right
13:57then
13:58but I think
13:58that France
13:59she
14:00she has
14:01a cast
14:01which is more
14:02tuned
14:03perhaps
14:04in my opinion
14:04stay longer
14:05united
14:06playing with more
14:07frequency
14:07together
14:08so I think
14:09who has a talent
14:10young
14:11very strong
14:13and it can be
14:14there one
14:14great challenge
14:15to Brazil
14:17now
14:17Nadine
14:18it can be closed
14:18our interview
14:19a question
14:20like this
14:20guys
14:21Brazil's game
14:23let's go
14:24on the roof
14:24Does it have any rituals?
14:26lucky
14:27like this
14:27that some
14:28superstition
14:28that you have
14:29You don't have to go.
14:30with that outfit
14:30you have to go
14:31with the hair
14:32just like that
14:33with more than such
14:33do you have any
14:34superstition
14:35at the time of
14:35cover a game
14:35from Brazil
14:36or not?
14:38No
14:39I have
14:40a superstition
14:41It's not superstition.
14:42but I have
14:43the habit
14:43too much praying
14:44before the transitions
14:45before the games
14:46of any
14:47game that I'm going
14:48to work
14:50but from the selection
14:51Brazilian
14:52perhaps
14:52have a little
14:53more tranquility
14:54because
14:55whether we like it or not
14:56It's a selection.
14:57where we
14:58will cheer
14:59so that
14:59do
15:00a good
15:01World cup
15:02then
15:03I think that
15:04my work
15:04It has to be neutral.
15:05always
15:05independent
15:06whose
15:06playing
15:07or not
15:07then
15:08work
15:09to have a
15:09concentration
15:10to breathe
15:10bottom
15:11I think
15:12important
15:13so my
15:13superstition
15:14perhaps
15:14it's the exercise
15:15of breathing
15:16before a
15:16transmission
15:17to support myself
15:17calmer
15:18neutral
15:19and just evaluate
15:20the bids
15:21independent
15:22whose
15:22playing
15:24only then
15:25to finish
15:25You arrived
15:26speaking
15:26the term
15:26neutral
15:27to do
15:28a transmission
15:28a little
15:29more neutral
15:29but like this
15:30it is difficult
15:30when it comes to
15:32selection
15:32Brazilian
15:33and the World Cup
15:33so
15:34like you
15:35It's going to be a
15:35difficulty
15:36explain
15:36perhaps
15:37a move
15:38controversial
15:38where the
15:39arbitration
15:39maybe
15:40correct
15:40but this thing
15:41as if it were
15:42a penalty
15:43that's how it was
15:44controversial
15:45but in your
15:45opinion
15:46It was a penalty.
15:46how to express
15:47the penalty
15:48against Brazil
15:49this opinion
15:50your
15:51therefore
15:51There will be billions.
15:52of people
15:53even
15:53you explaining
15:54the rule
15:54will disagree
15:55like you
15:55see this difficulty
15:58it is difficult
15:59but
16:00my work
16:01that's it
16:02to speak
16:02about the bid
16:03independent
16:04which player
16:05what is the team
16:06that is playing
16:07so always talk
16:08based on the rule
16:09of the game
16:09mainly in plays
16:10involving hand
16:11handball
16:12that many
16:13complain
16:14that the ball hits the hand
16:15They already want a penalty.
16:16so I always
16:17I have to give
16:17my analysis
16:19based on the rule
16:20of the game
16:21natural movement
16:22unnatural
16:22and when we
16:24is commenting
16:25and analyzes
16:26a move
16:26we analyze
16:27at least
16:28I can speak for myself.
16:29analyze coldly
16:30the move
16:30so I don't
16:32I have this involvement
16:33it's the team
16:34who is playing
16:35or is it the player
16:35such
16:36I have to have
16:37this professionalism
16:38and always analyze
16:39the move
16:39but it's difficult
16:41why
16:41the question
16:43of the fans
16:44in a world cup
16:45everyone cheering
16:46I believe that the repercussion
16:48It's always bigger.
16:48but
16:49Please forgive me.
16:50if I speak
16:51that it wasn't a penalty
16:52to Brazil
16:52because this can happen
16:54I will always be there.
16:54based
16:56as far as the rule says
16:58Nadine
16:59It was a pleasure.
17:00talk to you
17:01I wish you
17:02an excellent
17:02world cup
17:03Great job!
17:04there on SBT
17:05with this partnership
17:06with Antiforce
17:07at the event
17:07and success
17:08and that Brazil
17:09why not
17:10Bring back Exo!
17:11without any controversy
17:12arbitration
17:13Let's root for them!
17:14for that too
17:16thank you
17:17the invitation
17:18It was a pleasure.
17:18talk to you
17:19Lucas
17:19and I want
17:20make the invitation
17:21for everyone
17:22who watches
17:22the World Cup
17:23on SBT
17:24with the partnership
17:25with Inesports
17:26and that Brazil
17:26be in the final
17:27that we are
17:29in the final as well
17:29who knows
17:30Gabon
17:31narrate
17:31Your Excellency
17:32from Brazil
17:33for the fans
17:34Brazilians
17:35They will be very happy
17:36also
17:36We're rooting for you!
17:38Nadine
17:38thank you very much
17:39a hug
17:40and there
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