00:00I think he's very underrated. Zico was great.
00:03Zico, up until '86, it was him and Maradona there, man.
00:06It's a film that immortalizes the guy, right?
00:09Pelé has a unique place, so...
00:12Obviously, but maybe even he doesn't have the same devotion that Zico has.
00:28Today's Lúcio de Papo is about a phenomenon that's happening.
00:32Because it's truly breathtaking to see the experience that's happening.
00:36Families were going to see Zico outside the movie theaters.
00:39So, today's Lúcio de Papo is about the one that Flamengo fans call God.
00:45Okay, let's get started. What did you think, what's your opinion, what's your review of the Zico movie?
00:52Man, something really moving is happening, like I was saying, right?
00:58At the cinema doors, all the families were going.
01:02I think this film has a meaning, the existence of this film, like that,
01:09Giving flowers while someone is alive, right?
01:11There's nothing more beautiful than giving flowers to someone while they're alive.
01:14It's somewhat poetic, kind of like samba, isn't it?
01:17But giving flowers while someone is alive has a lot of meaning.
01:20Zico received flowers while he was alive, and few people deserved so much.
01:23For the journey, for everything, how can I receive these flowers while still alive?
01:27It's a film that immortalizes the guy, right?
01:30It was already eternal for quite a few reasons,
01:32But the film has a lasting impact, right?
01:35That's just how the guy is, like that.
01:38So, I think the great significance of this film is this tribute.
01:44It's about being able to honor and somehow immortalize someone and give them these flowers while they're still alive.
01:50You mentioned meaning, I want to know about sense.
01:54What is the main point of this film?
01:55I think the main point of this film, which is proving most moving, is to see...
02:00I think a lot of people are...
02:02Anyone watching us here who's been to the movies will think the same thing.
02:07The most beautiful thing that's happening is the issue of families, right, man?
02:12Parents and sons and daughters, mothers, everyone going to the movies.
02:16So, the broadcast is happening, right, man?
02:20What indigenous people call "father to son," right?
02:24You tell your child, your child tells your child.
02:27And so things don't die.
02:30This is a very indigenous oral tradition.
02:32We're experiencing this a little bit right now.
02:35Families going with great pride.
02:37The beauty of these scenes, parents and children at the cinema entrance.
02:41And you see everyone very emotional.
02:43We're on the third generation of Zico fans, man.
02:48And the third generation that perhaps never saw Zico play.
02:51And Zico is still an idol for Flamengo fans.
02:54It still is and always will be.
02:56Because he managed to build that transmission.
02:59And this film has a very important meaning, you know?
03:03From oral transmission.
03:05So, that emotion, you see some impressive things during the session.
03:11The father is talking to his son, like, "Look, that thing I told you, I don't know what."
03:15I think that's the great significance, you know?
03:17From oral transmission.
03:18We're seeing this happen.
03:20Why was Zico able to build around himself the imagery of the sacred, of myth?
03:27Man, I think it's the exceptional nature of Zico's figure, you know?
03:32In a country so fragmented.
03:34In a country like this, with so many institutional breakdowns, you know?
03:40We constantly see a breakdown in institutional order.
03:45He managed to build such an exceptional figure as Zico, you know?
03:50And it's important for us to emphasize and highlight this.
03:54It's a country that has a lot of difficulty building a mythical image around someone.
04:00That's very... even strange in our history, isn't it?
04:03Take Argentina, for example.
04:05You take Argentina...
04:06If you go out to dinner with some Argentinian friends, you're inevitably going to have a debate.
04:13Who is the greatest myth in the country's history?
04:15And then a fight breaks out, you know?
04:17If it is...
04:18Then they'll debate whether it's Maradona, Perón, Evita, or Gardel.
04:23And then they'll stay there all night and won't reach a conclusion.
04:26Because they are very rich in this thing of...
04:29In the ease of constructing the imaginary world of myth.
04:32And Brazil, on the other hand, if you think about it...
04:34We've had a lot of historical difficulty in constructing a mythical image around certain figures.
04:41And Zico achieves that.
04:43And that's what's most impressive.
04:45Zico managed to build that image.
04:49In football, for God's sake, Pelé has a unique place, just like that...
04:57Obviously, but maybe even he doesn't have the same devotion that Zico has.
05:01Zico used to go to the Maracanã until recently, and now this new Maracanã doesn't have that feeling as much anymore, but...
05:07He enters the Maracanã and is revered.
05:09The Flamengo fans chanted, "Hey, hey, hey, Zico is our king!" when Zico entered the field.
05:13face.
05:13Even the day changed a little.
05:14But if it's announced, the Maracanã will still rise.
05:18I mean, years later, man, after that guy stopped playing, he's still around, man.
05:22So, I think that's it, you know?
05:24The exceptionality of a guy, a unique figure.
05:27A guy with a history full of pain, and the movie shows that, you know?
05:34With defeats, with pain, and with victories.
05:38So, it also has a human figure, which is very relatable.
05:41It brings him much closer to the person who's seeing his story, who knows his story.
05:47Because of all this, Zico built something very unique, you know?
05:51And that transcended Flamengo.
05:54What was in the film that you didn't know about Zico, Lúcio?
06:01Good question, Johnny.
06:02That's how it is...
06:03Damn it, I'm screwed here, because I need to think a little.
06:06It wasn't in the script.
06:07No, it wasn't, but that's a great question.
06:10It's a good question to make us think, isn't it?
06:12Because, honestly, I know his story very well, you know?
06:15I know...
06:16I knew him well; he was my childhood idol, that's how it is.
06:19So, I know a lot about his story.
06:21But the film has this wonderful quality of...
06:26What...
06:27I think the central part of the film is to show Zico's spirit.
06:32And no matter how much I knew, rehearsed, or knew...
06:36Perhaps I didn't fully grasp the magnitude of Zico's spirit then.
06:40For example, I didn't know something that's spectacular in the movie, man.
06:43You see...
06:45Nobody in Brazil realized the magnitude of his arrival in Japan.
06:49Man, that guy arrives in Japan...
06:51Man, it's a mess, dude.
06:53Can you imagine a god of football, a monster, you know?
06:56I had already experienced everything, including the World Cup.
06:58He gets there...
07:00Dude, over there at home, he needs to clean his cleats, man.
07:06Man, that's fucking awesome, you know?
07:08So, I think the film is very successful in showing that aura, you know?
07:15The spirit of Zico.
07:17I think that, even though I knew it, maybe I didn't...
07:21I couldn't quite grasp that whole line of reasoning.
07:23And I think the film captures that very well.
07:26And what impressed you most about the film?
07:29Oh, I think that's partly true...
07:32And that's largely why.
07:35But I think that above all, this thing, you know?
07:38What the film is enabling is this transmission from father to son.
07:43An act of faith was created in cinema.
07:47I was really very impressed.
07:50That's why we had this conversation, right, about where to do this.
07:53Because, even during a time that was almost like the World Cup,
07:56Screw it, man.
07:57It deserves it, the subject deserves it.
07:58Because, in that way, you're experiencing something very different.
08:02The movie screening turned into a mass.
08:06Where a ritual is passed down from father to son, within families, etc.
08:12And that was truly remarkable.
08:15How big is Zico in football history?
08:18That's a really cool point for us to talk about, Diogo.
08:22Because, therefore, regardless of devotion, therefore,
08:25that I can have from the figure, like this,
08:28Zico is an underrated guy.
08:30It's strange to say, horrible to say this, isn't it, Zico was underestimated.
08:33But, in terms of...
08:36given the magnitude of what he was in football,
08:38He's a bit underrated, though.
08:40He is perhaps not remembered in any list there, when talking about the immense ones.
08:45Man, people kind of forget about Zico's stature.
08:48Someone's going to think of joining a club, for God's sake.
08:51Those who followed along know.
08:52Zico, up until '86, it was him and Maradona there, man.
08:56And it really was like that, I'm not saying...
08:58If you look in Argentina, in an Argentinian magazine, you'll see that.
09:01It's obvious that the 1986 World Cup, especially since they had Zico,
09:05that mess that happened, the beating he took,
09:08And Maradona, who truly becomes a god,
09:12And that's where things diverge a bit.
09:14But the two always operated on the same level.
09:16Zico was really great, man.
09:17And Zico, I think Zico...
09:20That bothers me a little.
09:22He's a guy...
09:23These days, people do this kind of poll a lot, don't they? Underrated, underrated.
09:27His stature, his place on the shelf in world football,
09:32I think it's very underrated.
09:34Zico was very great.
09:35Zico...
09:38He arrived there...
09:39He was among the top tier of world football, that's for sure.
09:43And he has to be remembered as such.
09:45I think many people, like that,
09:47They don't grasp the magnitude of what it was.
09:51And if it is necessary, the question,
09:54What is Zico's stature at Flamengo?
09:57Ah, I think he's a great figure.
09:59This great figure who...
10:00Zico responds a lot.
10:03For a new generation of fans, right, man?
10:06He succeeded, through his figure,
10:09That's why we're talking about everything,
10:10He is largely responsible for the formation of new fans.
10:15There's a generation there.
10:17that was formed red and black
10:20Because of Zico, right, man?
10:22So, it was already a huge fan base, with everything, absolutely everything.
10:25But the Zico era is very definitive in this regard.
10:28So Zico is truly immense in Flamengo's history.
10:33And that's crazy, right?
10:34You see...
10:35We recently had the story of a Cartola.
10:39Asking, right?
10:40Saying that Zico was going to pass.
10:41And then you see how our Cartola is, right, man?
10:44They can't understand anything.
10:46Zico will never be remembered in Flamengo's history.
10:48How can a Flamengo president say that?
10:50Zico's height is...
10:51Zico is over there.
10:54He is the embodiment of Flamengo.
10:56Now, to finish up,
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