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CTP (S3EMaySpecial12) What Does It Mean To Govern By Truth
Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond - all in Biblical perspective
We hand off to Ed Bondarenka’s interview with Michigan governor candidate Ralph Rebant as he argues he is being targeted through a ballot signature challenge and vows to fight it through the courts. We also press into his Christian worldview on governing, from taxes and budgets to prisons, infrastructure, guns, and even a gold-backed depository concept.
• rebroadcast setup and why this interview airs
• claim of ballot access obstruction and critique of unelected election staff
• election integrity concerns tied to record retention and accountability
• Rebant’s background as pastor, entrepreneur, and former union member
• moral case against expanding casinos and gambling
• faith-based prison reform and recidivism outcomes
• truth as a unifying message and the lighthouse symbolism
• 2022 campaign lessons and resistance from party leadership
• questions on lieutenant governor selection and constitutional process
• Flint water crisis priorities and Line 5 framed as international
• proposal to eliminate property tax and restructure school administration
• budget cutting plan, privatization, and a “REBA” audit approach
• Second Amendment support, constitutional carry, and repeal of red flag laws
• gold and silver legal tender proposal through a state depository model
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Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond - all in Biblical perspective
We hand off to Ed Bondarenka’s interview with Michigan governor candidate Ralph Rebant as he argues he is being targeted through a ballot signature challenge and vows to fight it through the courts. We also press into his Christian worldview on governing, from taxes and budgets to prisons, infrastructure, guns, and even a gold-backed depository concept.
• rebroadcast setup and why this interview airs
• claim of ballot access obstruction and critique of unelected election staff
• election integrity concerns tied to record retention and accountability
• Rebant’s background as pastor, entrepreneur, and former union member
• moral case against expanding casinos and gambling
• faith-based prison reform and recidivism outcomes
• truth as a unifying message and the lighthouse symbolism
• 2022 campaign lessons and resistance from party leadership
• questions on lieutenant governor selection and constitutional process
• Flint water crisis priorities and Line 5 framed as international
• proposal to eliminate property tax and restructure school administration
• budget cutting plan, privatization, and a “REBA” audit approach
• Second Amendment support, constitutional carry, and repeal of red flag laws
• gold and silver legal tender proposal through a state depository model
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00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.
00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.
00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D.
00:12It looks French.
00:13It's not.
00:14It's Leonard without an O.
00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.
00:24Let's get on with the show!
00:26Hello.
00:27Today is Saturday, May the 23rd.
00:32I am recording this intro segment for Wednesday, May the 27th, when the show will air.
00:42This is going to be a bit odd.
00:44I will be having on Ralph Rebant for Governor of Michigan via Ed Bondarenka and the Your
00:54American Heritage Show, which airs on Wham Radio.
00:59It aired 1 p.m. today, Saturday, May the 23rd.
01:07Re-airing today.
01:08Yeah.
01:09When this airs, Wednesday, May the 27th.
01:13It's airing, 2026, Season 3, May Special 12, it will be.
01:27So, without further ado, let's get to Ed Bondarenka's Your American Heritage Show, featuring Ralph Rebant.
01:36All righty.
01:37Well, welcome to Your American Heritage.
01:40And I actually saved the wrong clip to open the show with.
01:43It kind of confused me.
01:44A day of technical errors here at Wham Radio.
01:49Live radio, that's how it works.
01:51Once again, my name is Ed Bondarenka, and I am...
01:54A white, Christian, cisgender male.
01:58I'm proud of it.
01:58Producing the show is Derek Stone.
02:00Derek's a Swiss Army knife of radio.
02:02And he's the host of Stone Cold Sports Truth.
02:07Sundays, right at noon 30, right after my friend Sean Todd hosts The Intersection at noon.
02:11So, you want to listen to those shows.
02:12Listen to all the Wham shows.
02:14Your American Heritage is on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and now Google Music.
02:18And you can, and should, subscribe.
02:20So, find a link to the podcast by going to WhamRadio.com.
02:24W-A-A-M.
02:26We are American made.
02:28WhamRadio.com.
02:29And click on the podcast tab at the top.
02:31So, once again, there's a war going on for control of America.
02:35And you might wonder, how do we engage in the fight?
02:38Well, we get organized, preferably in a good church.
02:40We go to court.
02:41We educate our neighbors.
02:43We support those who take the battle to the enemy.
02:45We support those who are running for office that support godly values.
02:49And then we make sure they do.
02:51And we encourage each other.
02:53You know, I think the Bible speaks about encouraging the brethren.
02:56Well, that's one way of doing it.
02:57And we arm ourselves intellectually.
02:59We learn the facts for ourselves, so we can make wise decisions and explain them to others.
03:04No, we do that by listening to this show, hopefully.
03:06We arm ourselves physically.
03:08Get a gun.
03:09Learn to use it.
03:10Be prepared to defend yourself, your family, and your nation.
03:13And then spiritually.
03:14Once again, read your Bible.
03:16Find a good church.
03:17Join with others in prayer for our nation.
03:20Father, please lead us and guide us as we seek to protect this nation.
03:24Please help us protect our heritage and the rights that you have given us from evil conspirators, thieves, traitors, and
03:30tyrants.
03:32Please bring these enemies of good and sound morals to a place of repentance.
03:35And if they will not repent, please remove them utterly from our presence.
03:40Amen.
03:41Amen.
03:42Well, folks, thank you.
03:43Folks, we are down to five candidates for the Republican nominee for governor.
03:47Mike Cox, John James, Perry Johnson, Eric Nesbis, and Ralph Rabant.
03:53Okay?
03:53And frankly, I have no use for John James.
03:58I'll be frank about that.
03:59We interviewed him a few years ago on...
04:04Derek, what's the show I used to do before with Gary Wellens?
04:08The Daily Drift?
04:09The Daily Drift.
04:11Wow.
04:11Speaking of brain farts.
04:13And, yeah, and he just was, you know, he wasn't there.
04:18And he had ringers call in to ask questions.
04:21We knew it.
04:21So I'm not a fan.
04:23But joining us today is candidate for governor of Michigan, Ralph Rabant.
04:27We've had a number of gubernatorial candidates on.
04:30And that word, gubernatorial, just rolls off my tongue anymore.
04:34And the ones that we've had have not been elected.
04:37So I must apologize to our guests right now.
04:39It won't be my fault.
04:40But I think we're going to have the next governor of the state of Michigan here.
04:44I wanted Ralph to come on because I'm curious as to his positions and thought you might want
04:49to hear more about him.
04:50Hi, Ralph.
04:51Welcome to the show.
04:53Thanks, Ed.
04:53I'm looking forward to this whole discussion.
04:55I've been looking forward to it for a couple weeks now.
04:57Oh, good.
04:58I'm glad to hear that.
04:58Me too.
04:58I've been prepping as best I can.
05:01So why don't you tell us about your background to start out with?
05:06Well, I was born in Wyandotte, Michigan, grew up in Woodhaven, downriver, went to Bates
05:13Elementary School, then off to Intercity Christian School in Allen Park.
05:17I met my wife there in seventh grade.
05:20I had a crush on her in seventh grade and then ended up proposing to her graduation day
05:27from high school.
05:28So we were 18.
05:29We got married six months later.
05:31I went off to college for the first semester and then came back, got married in December,
05:35took her back to Pennsylvania with us.
05:37We lived in Pennsylvania about 10 years.
05:39Adam, our first son, came around about two years later, Amy about 15 months later.
05:43And then after we moved back to Michigan to start Oakland Hills Community Church, we had
05:47two more sons in 86 and 88.
05:50So if you add all that up, Ed, we've got four grown kids, wonderful spouses, and 21 grandkids.
05:58May I ask quickly, where was Intercity Christian School located?
06:044,700 Allen Road, Allen Park, Michigan, between Southfield and Outer Drive.
06:09I understand that.
06:10I used to, it was next to a creek, and I used to walk by that in the mornings on
06:15my way to
06:16St. Mary Magdalene.
06:18So there you go.
06:19There's that.
06:19Yep.
06:19I was born in Wyandotte, like I said.
06:21I was born in Wyandotte, raised in Allen Park, until we moved to Carlton and Flat Rock.
06:27So yeah, we have that in common.
06:29So go ahead.
06:30So in terms of things, I've done everything that you can imagine one would do in a work
06:36career.
06:37I've been everything from a janitor to a plant manager.
06:39I've sold car wax, built homes, restored one Mustang.
06:43That was a big project.
06:45But restored the Honda 70s, you know, those little Honda 70s and 50s from the 1970s.
06:50We've got some of those, and it's just fun to get out and do those kind of things.
06:54But I think the biggest joy I have is knowing that my kids love Jesus.
06:58They're raising their kids to be godly kids, love our country, love Michigan.
07:04It's just, that's my biggest, I really can't even claim it.
07:07My wife's amazing.
07:08She helped raise those kids.
07:10We give the Lord the credit for all the good that comes out of it.
07:14Well, that's great.
07:15Well, once again, I've done janitor work, and I haven't sold car wax, but I've rebuilt
07:20Mustangs, and I've ridden Trail 70s, and actually, they're selling new Trail 70s these days.
07:27My brothers had them when we were kids, and now they're selling a brand new retro, a retro
07:33mod Trail 70 Honda.
07:35I just can't imagine why, but they're popular.
07:38They are.
07:39With our generation, some of those that are really in mint condition, they sell for $5,000
07:46That's amazing.
07:47Yeah.
07:47I preferred my Honda 750 Supersport, rather, but that's off the subject.
07:52We're really off the subject here, but we're getting to know you, and that's good.
07:55Along the campaign front, Benson is trying to scuttle some popular Republicans again.
08:01Now, they pulled this trick, I believe it was the last election.
08:04They got James Craig off the ballot, and a number of others, Sandy Penciler, and I can't
08:09remember the others.
08:10They bumped off the ballot.
08:11Donna Brandenburg, Michael Markey.
08:12You weren't bounced off the ballot at that time, right?
08:16No, I was not, and that's what's interesting, because we turned in about the same amount
08:21of signatures that we turned in in 2022, and we weren't bounced off.
08:26We're still not off, but technically, because we have an opportunity to appeal on the 28th,
08:30but if you look at the stuff, and this is what just drives me crazy, we turned in 18,217
08:39signatures.
08:40They did a sample, a sample of 750 signatures, and of that sample, they said that there are
08:48218 that are bad.
08:50We just got the file yesterday.
08:52I was going through it this morning, and the ones that they say are bad are people that
08:58I know that live in the, you know, one guy donated to my campaign.
09:03He's been living in his house for 10, 15 years.
09:05He hasn't moved.
09:06He's registered to vote, and they say he's not registered to vote.
09:09We have to go through all their signatures to be prepared on Thursday to present our
09:12case that there's no way on the planet a staffer who's looking at these things, only 750 signatures,
09:21making an extrapolation that we don't have enough to get on because of what they've looked
09:27at because we do, we're not 218 short number one on their number, and we went through them
09:34all, Ed.
09:35We went through all of our signatures, made sure that people didn't put their birthday
09:40down.
09:40If they did, we crossed them out.
09:42Instead of the date of signing, we made sure they were in the same county, that they were
09:45signing that they lived there, and those are some of the things that they were complaining
09:49about, and we know, because we took out about 1,500 to 2,000 just because we didn't want
09:56this problem.
09:57I'm going to be looking tonight, later, at the rest of those signatures.
10:01We will be on the ballot.
10:03We have more than 15,000 good signatures.
10:05I trust you.
10:06This is another, I mean, Benson's corrupt.
10:08That's just all there is to it.
10:10Benson's a corrupt Democrat from way back, and yeah, I guess she's trying to thin the field
10:17that she'll run against, right?
10:18That's a conflict of interest right there.
10:20Indeed, and I'll tell you what's interesting about it.
10:23They've left me off of polling, so they have no idea how I would stack up with her, and
10:30that's just the games that the Republicans play when they do their polling.
10:34I'm the X factor in her world.
10:37She thinks, according to the polling, that she will beat every other candidate, but I'm
10:41the guy she doesn't know anything about or if I would beat her, and so the best way
10:45to not even face that is to just eliminate me.
10:49It's not going to happen.
10:50We're going to take this all the way to the Supreme Court.
10:52I'm going to fight for this because this should not happen, and basically what's happening,
10:57and if you boil it down, there's one person in the Secretary of State office that's saying
11:0218,217 signatures mean absolutely nothing.
11:06That's what that one person is saying.
11:08If the Bureau of Elections sides with them, then it's four people that think that 18,217
11:18signatures mean absolutely nothing.
11:20The problem with that is these people are unelected bureaucrats.
11:24They are not accountable to anybody, and they can do whatever they want, and so that's why
11:29we're going to take it to the Supreme Court because it's not right.
11:32They shouldn't have that kind of authority.
11:35Unelected bureaucrats making that kind of a decision, it's too much power.
11:38There's no check and balance.
11:39I mean, your show is called Your American Heritage, and our founders understood checks
11:44and balances.
11:45That's why we have three branches of government, and that fourth branch of government absolutely
11:49has no check and balance, and we are going to get rid of this whole concept.
11:54In fact, come up for air in just a minute.
11:56This whole rule of 750 signatures, it was instituted in 2023 by themselves, so it's a ludicrous
12:07rule, and Jocelyn Benson, as you probably know, had three rule sets in 2025, and the most egregious
12:16one was going against federal election law, which says that you have to retain the election
12:20records for 23 months.
12:22She ordered people, the county clerks, to destroy them after nine days after the election was
12:29certified.
12:29Nine days, not 23 months.
12:31So this is the kind of corruption we're dealing with.
12:35Yeah, and actually, more famously, not famously enough, actually, Stephanie Scott, Stephanie Lambert
12:42just won in Hillsdale County, and I was talking to my friend Dave Coleman about it, and it seems
12:49that they were actually, every other elections official that did, as Benson said, violated
12:59the law, because these two, actually, well, Lambert was her lawyer, but Stephanie Scott is
13:05like Tina Peters in Colorado, who, thank God, is at least going to have her sentence commuted
13:13so she can leave jail.
13:15It's not a pardon or a clemency, but she can at least be free, which was ridiculous that
13:20she'd be in prison like that.
13:22And then Benson was trying to do the same thing to Stephanie Scott here for actually fulfilling
13:26her legal role as an elections official, retaining the records.
13:33Obviously, Benson has no regard for election integrity.
13:40Our friend Pat Kolbeck's proved that a number of times when the, I think it's the Justice
13:46Department, came in and said, we'd like to see the records.
13:49She says, no, you can't.
13:50I'm like, wait a minute, that's our job.
13:52No, you can't.
13:53Am I reading that right?
13:55Yeah, that's exactly what she said.
13:57And that's why the corruption is really deep in Lansing.
14:01And I wouldn't be surprised that Jocelyn was behind this.
14:05Well, folks, Derek, what's the phone number?
14:07We're going to take some calls.
14:08Depending on how this goes, I may hold you over to the second half hour if you're available.
14:13I could do that.
14:14Yes, sir.
14:15Okay.
14:17Phone number is 734-822-1600.
14:22We're talking to gubernatorial candidate for, well, actually, for the Republican nomination
14:27in August's primary, which I believe is August 4th, and it's Ralph Rebant.
14:33And if you have any questions for Ralph, feel free to ask.
14:37I'm going to be asking a few questions, but I may miss a couple.
14:40And I just want to give him an opportunity to make himself known to our listeners.
14:46And we've got a few of them, it seems.
14:48So you've described yourself as a pastor, an entrepreneur, and a former union member.
14:55How have those experiences shaped your political philosophy?
15:00Very, very deeply.
15:02You know, if we talk about entrepreneur, I understand what it's like to start businesses.
15:07I've owned small businesses, construction-related stuff, carpentry, masonry, concrete.
15:15I've been, as you said, a part of some unions, three unions, actually.
15:22And, you know, it was a good experience to say, wow, I'm making some good money.
15:28I mean, back in 1977, when I was working at Fermi 2 Nuclear Power Plant, I was making
15:32$10 an hour, and overtime was $20 an hour.
15:36Back when I was in Pennsylvania, I'd made that during the summer, and I'd go back to
15:39my job in Pennsylvania.
15:40I was making, I think it was $3.27 an hour.
15:45So it was a big boost to help us pay for our, you know, education, because nobody else paid
15:50for it.
15:51I mean, the government didn't pay for it.
15:52Biden wasn't around then, and that's a joke, by the way.
15:56He was around, but, you know, just eliminating people's college debts, that wasn't even my
16:03thought.
16:03I mean, in fact, there was what was called BEOG, Basic Education Opportunity Grant.
16:08That was available to me because of our income, but I didn't take it.
16:12I said, the government should not be paying for my education.
16:14I have to pay for my own education, so we never took that.
16:18But, yeah, all those things have worked.
16:20You know, and being a pastor, most importantly, you know, I mentioned in Ottawa County, which
16:28I don't know if you tracked that, Ed, two Fridays ago, I think it was, I was in a debate
16:34in Ottawa County and actually came in first, and I had 57% of the vote and came in first.
16:41I think Perry was at, what do I want to say?
16:45I don't know.
16:46But anyway, you add the other three up, and they didn't even come close to 57.
16:50So my point is, one of the answers I said, you know, they asked if we were Christians,
16:55and I said, I'm a born-again, Bible-believing, evangelical who has a biblical worldview and
17:00understands God's solutions to the problems we're facing here in Michigan.
17:04Everybody clapped, and it was crazy.
17:05But the reality is, how does that shape decisions and things that I would decide?
17:11I'll give you a couple examples.
17:14I was asked about new casinos.
17:17They gave a hypothetical.
17:19Let's say that there's a casino opening up in western Michigan.
17:24Would you do that?
17:25And it was kind of a forum, so all the other candidates had the opportunity to answer, and
17:29this was in 2022, you know, one guy said, well, if it fits in the zoning, yes, Muskegon
17:36needs work, sure, we'll give them that.
17:38And it came to me, and I said, absolutely not.
17:39I would not sign to open up another casino.
17:43I said, as a police chaplain for 35 years, I know for a fact that people commit suicide
17:49every day in Michigan because they've gambled their money away.
17:53We have way too many ways to gamble money away.
17:55And so I said, absolutely not.
17:58And I said, I know a situation in Farmington Hills that there was a man who went down to
18:04Detroit, gambled his estate away, came home, shot and killed his wife, shot and killed his
18:08kids, and then shot and killed himself.
18:10That happened in Farmington Hills.
18:11And when you see that, yeah, when you see that, it affects you.
18:15There's no way.
18:16I mean, why would I want to?
18:18Anyway, so then I said, and then finally, the Bible says that there are three ways to
18:22get money.
18:22One is a gift, another one is to earn it, and another one is to inherit it.
18:27And I said, gambling doesn't fall into any of those categories.
18:31So I would absolutely say no to that.
18:33And again, the whole room erupted because it's like, okay, so here's somebody who understands
18:38God's word and how it affects life, and this is how he would apply it.
18:41So that's what I'm doing.
18:43I'll give you another quick example in terms of the prison ministries.
18:47The prison situation right now, 50% of the people who are released from prison are back
18:53in within six months.
18:55That's the national average.
18:57And it's a failing system.
19:00The state system is a failing system.
19:03And so what I have suggested in terms of my prison reform is that I would use faith-based
19:10prison ministries, Alpha Prison Ministries out of Grand Rapids that reach the Forgotten
19:15Man, Prison Fellowship, Chuck Colston.
19:17These are all groups that understand that in order to rehab somebody, it's not you just
19:22lock them up for 10 years, but it's a hard change.
19:25And when those people come out, out of those Christian faith-based programs, Ed, 80% never,
19:32never come back.
19:33Never go back to prison.
19:3580%.
19:36So we keep funding failing systems.
19:39And that's why I'm running, because career politicians, businessmen and women, and attorneys
19:46who've all sat in that governor's seat have not fixed Michigan.
19:50We just have higher budgets, worse roads, worse education, more mental health issues,
19:55and no one's fixed it.
19:57So bringing God's principles back to culture will definitely change Michigan and its future
20:02for the good.
20:03You mentioned, yes, amen.
20:04You mentioned prisons, and you've been to Pennsylvania, you've lived in Pennsylvania.
20:09If I recall, that's where penitentiaries were first established by the Quakers in order
20:16to actually bring prisoners to a place of penitence, penitentiary.
20:21And so actually, there was, yeah, there was a religious aspect to those that kind of got
20:27lost with secularism.
20:29But there was an effort to restore the prisoners, pretty much like Chuck Colson and his group
20:35came about doing.
20:36Of course, he gained the impetus for doing that after having spent time in prison himself.
20:43So we have a call from Joe from Wyandotte, Joe Leonard.
20:47We'll see what Joe has to say or ask.
20:50Joe?
20:51Yeah, I always liked the theory of the outsider.
20:56But unfortunately, in Michigan, the one dumb nerdinator kind of ruined that whole point of
21:04philosophy.
21:05But I wanted to ask, are you still using the lighthouse because of the symbolism of it?
21:11And if not, why not?
21:15Yes, I am still using it in speeches.
21:18But we chose not to go with that theme this time.
21:23In other words, it's still an overarching umbrella concept in what we're doing.
21:28But if you look on the billboards, it says Michigan's Turning Point.
21:33And the reason why we went with that is because we did legal research.
21:37We can use that phrase, even though Charlie Kirk's organization is called Turning Point.
21:41But we want Christianity and Christ to be the turning point in Michigan and just more convinced that what people
21:51need is truth.
21:53They have a lot of opinions out there.
21:55They have a lot of expert opinions.
21:58But we're not hearing truth.
22:00In fact, someone made a comment that was so profound.
22:02The Gen Zers who are pursuing truth hear a lot of information.
22:06But they need to be able to sort out truth.
22:09And they need to be able to sort out what wisdom is.
22:12Because there's a lot of information, but they have neither truth nor wisdom.
22:17And so that's why we're going to...
22:17Oh, you're absolutely right.
22:18It's like the old IT statement.
22:20I'm a former IT guy.
22:22And the issue, giggle.
22:24Garbage in, garbage out.
22:25You can be flooded with information, but if 90% of it is bad, how are you supposed to reach
22:31a good conclusion?
22:33Right.
22:34That's good, Joe.
22:34And, you know, the other thing, Joe, I was on a...
22:36This is an interesting thing.
22:38In Lapeer County, the Youth Committee for Lapeer Republicans had a governor debate.
22:44I was the only candidate to show up.
22:47Other people said they were going to come.
22:48Then they backed out at the last minute.
22:50No one showed up.
22:51I mean, the Democrats and Dugan, they were all invited, but I was the only one that showed up.
22:55So it was basically a question and answer from the audience.
22:59There was a moderator there.
23:00And the moderator asked me, he said,
23:01I said, Ralph, how are you going to bring Democrats and Republicans and Muslims and, you know, all these people
23:07together as a governor?
23:08You're a pastor.
23:09You're a Christian.
23:11And I said, I thought for a minute, and I just said, truth.
23:15People resonate with truth.
23:16And truth always rises to the top.
23:18Truth always wins.
23:19And that's all I have to do is convince people of the truth.
23:22And that's where I'm coming from, Joe.
23:25And I appreciate that.
23:27Yeah, the lighthouse imagery is still powerful.
23:29Still powerful.
23:30I appreciate that question.
23:33Thanks, Joe.
23:34You know, I mentioned it in an interview with somebody last weekend.
23:37I think it was one of the most famous questions is, what is truth?
23:40You don't get your truth.
23:41I don't get my truth.
23:43There is the truth.
23:44And the question was asked of the guy who was and is the truth.
23:50So it's a very profound question.
23:53Welcome back to Your American Heritage.
23:56And joining us this afternoon is Ralph Rebant.
24:00And he's on the ballot, the primary ballot so far, for the Republican nomination for governor of the state of
24:07Michigan.
24:08I think he's going to make it.
24:09There's a good chance he could be our next governor.
24:13I look over the ballot of the remaining five, and I actually prefer Ralph above the others.
24:25Perry Johnson, I think, is a Johnny-come-lately.
24:28And I think it's just, I don't know.
24:31I'm not knocking him, but it just doesn't appeal to me.
24:35I don't know who Eric Nesbitt is.
24:38And I'm not kindly oriented towards John James.
24:42So I thought we'd have Ralph on to talk about his candidacy and find out more about him.
24:47And you're invited to listen in.
24:51So, Ralph, you ran in 2022.
24:55We alluded to that earlier.
24:57And how did that inform your campaign this time?
25:00It really informed us.
25:02I tell people that in 2022, it was boot camp, but now we know we're in war.
25:08We were fighting against the Republican establishment at the time when Ron Weiser was the chair.
25:14He had made a comment in front of the entire state committee, Republican state committee, that I don't want Ralph
25:20to become governor because I'm afraid he'll listen to God more than he'll listen to us.
25:23So that was a real problem.
25:26And so they left me off of emails to governor candidates.
25:28They did not invite me to right-to-life interviews when they were considering candidates.
25:34They didn't invite me to meet with the big dollar donors.
25:37I wasn't at that event.
25:39A week after it was announced that I would be on the primary ballot, the Republican Party sent out a
25:46mailer.
25:47If the election were today, who would you vote for?
25:49Or, now, mind you, my name is on there with all the other candidates, but they left my name off
25:53of that.
25:54So there's just – they played games that first time.
25:56And when we saw it coming up this time, we called it out.
25:59It happened in Midland first.
26:01And we're just not letting them get by with it this time.
26:04You know, the whole thing about –
26:06Now we have to fight Jocelyn.
26:08Yeah, exactly.
26:09Exactly, like we spoke about in the first half hour.
26:12And the whole thing about listening to God, as you were talking to me about being informed, what informs you
26:18earlier?
26:19It struck me as those are all qualities that our founders had.
26:25And people talk about Jefferson was a deist.
26:28No, he wasn't.
26:29And that Franklin was a wastrel.
26:33There's a word.
26:34Look it up.
26:34W-S-T-R-E-L.
26:35And actually, towards the end, he was very, very committed religiously.
26:41These people were informed by biblical principles.
26:46And the people they read were informed by biblical principles.
26:50So, you know, Adams would not have made that famous statement that I have a recording of here somewhere of
26:57him saying, but I'm not going to look for it right now.
26:59This government is only fit for a moral and religious people.
27:04And by religious, he meant Christian.
27:06He wasn't thinking of any other religion than Christian at the time.
27:10We have a call.
27:11Rob from Wayne.
27:12We asked for calls.
27:13We got one.
27:14Rob, welcome to the show.
27:16Thanks, fellas.
27:18I want to propose something to rebrand for governor.
27:24If he would accept, if one of the other two candidates, which we won't mention, if they asked you to
27:31be lieutenant governor right now, would you accept that?
27:36I would ask my team, number one.
27:39Thank you for that question.
27:40I would ask my team that.
27:41And then I would basically ask all of our supporters, the grassroots people that have been behind me since 2022.
27:50I think I would.
27:52But I want to have their opinion.
27:53I want them to weigh in on it.
27:56The reason why I would potentially say yes to that is because we have a plan on our website, rebrandforgovernor
28:06.com.
28:07We don't have talking points, Rob.
28:09We have actual action items.
28:12And those actual action items will totally reform government in Lansing.
28:17And if I was lieutenant governor, I would be in charge of the Senate and I would be in charge
28:22of bills that come through.
28:24And I could make sure that the principles and policies that are godly and righteous would come into purview and
28:32get voted upon.
28:33So there's some reasons why I would do that.
28:36But as I said, I would want to ask my team that's been behind me 100 percent, as well as
28:40people like yourself, potentially.
28:44And what do they think about it?
28:46Because I don't want them to think that I'm just abandoning, you know, our conservative Christian grassroots principles.
28:53I would want people to know that if I go in, I'm going to injustice strong and to fight for
28:58those principles as if I were governor.
29:00I suppose it might matter who was the actual governor you'd be serving with, right?
29:08Yes, that would be that would matter as well.
29:10Yes, sir.
29:11Well, we can see that maybe that's how some of these governors actually get somebody in their back pocket.
29:17That's not who we would really want as lieutenant governor.
29:20And if we follow the Michigan state constitution, we go to Article 5, Section 21.
29:27This has kind of been bugging me as a precinct delegate since 2009.
29:32It says at the convention, party convention.
29:35So that means both parties to be selecting a lieutenant governor at this convention.
29:41And I'm saying, if that would have been proposed, let's go through Robert's rules and they said, Ralph, rebrand for
29:49lieutenant governor.
29:50I would have voted for that right then and there.
29:52And you'd be on the ticket with somebody.
29:55We don't know who.
29:56And maybe that would be a better way of actually being in the Republic in Michigan.
30:02Follow the constitution of the state.
30:05Right.
30:05Well, you know, so go back to your team and see, well, you know, find it in the constitution.
30:11Maybe this is something that's going to have to be brought out as you guys continue forward to the August
30:16primary.
30:17And maybe one of them will actually ask you that.
30:20And hopefully the team is going to say, sounds like a good idea.
30:26You know, if you're getting the support from the grassroots out there, let's go with what we who we watch
30:33to be on the ticket.
30:34Not somebody that we don't know who's going to be selected thereafter.
30:40And then, you know, the other thing is if you're going to go all the way to the Supreme Court,
30:44I heard someone, I think Ed namedropped an attorney.
30:48And I'm thinking, OK, well, maybe he works with Cardinal.
30:52And I've seen some of his work with some of the plaintiffs of the state of Michigan.
30:58And he sure loves to use that word, usurpation.
31:01I think he had it like 16 times in this complaint.
31:05And, you know, that's the same word that's in the declaration.
31:08I think two times, maybe three.
31:10And maybe that will hammer home the trouble that we're in in Michigan.
31:14Thank you, fellas, for taking the call.
31:16Oh, no, thank you for the call.
31:18Very well informed.
31:19I appreciate it very much.
31:21And, yeah, it was Dave Coleman.
31:22And he's done a lot of great work here.
31:24And I should say, hopefully we want to elect perhaps Judge Warren to the Supreme Court.
31:30So we'll have an ear there.
31:32He's awesome.
31:33Yes, yes.
31:34He's awesome.
31:35So we have another call, Mike, from Ann Arbor, before we get on to some of my questions, if we
31:39ever get there.
31:40I'm happy to take the calls.
31:42This is good.
31:42Mike?
31:44Yeah.
31:46Mike in Lapeer.
31:47I'm just a Mike the Carpenter.
31:52I was going to ask Ralph, you know, a simple man wants to know explanations about the Flint water crisis
32:03in the line five, you know, situation.
32:07How would you explain that to us?
32:10And why do you want to be governor?
32:14Good call.
32:15Thanks, Mike.
32:16All right.
32:17Well, Mike, thanks for calling.
32:18Why do I want to be governor?
32:20Number one, as I mentioned, nobody has fixed Michigan in my lifetime.
32:25I'm only I'm 68, 67 years old right now, and no one has fixed Michigan.
32:29We have higher budgets, as I mentioned, worse problems, whether it's the roads, whether it's the water, whether it's infrastructure.
32:35No one has fixed it.
32:37I'm also running because I am not looking for the next election.
32:41I'm looking to save Michigan for the next generation.
32:45The people that are number three, the people that are running right now, they're connected to the establishment.
32:52And, you know, there are people who are running that are saying we're going to take a blowtorch to the
32:56budget.
32:56We're going to take a blowtorch to bureaucracy.
32:59Well, they've been in they've been in politics for 15 years, for crying out loud.
33:03Why didn't you do it then?
33:04When when we had the House, when Republicans had the House, Senate and the governor's seat and the attorney general,
33:11why didn't we do something about it then?
33:13And it's not going to happen.
33:16You know, there's complaints by one candidate about the higher taxes, the higher cost of energy.
33:25Well, he's voted in favor of all those.
33:27And it's it's like just telling people what they want to hear in order to get votes.
33:33So that's why I'm running.
33:35As for the issues that we're concerned about, yeah, the Flint water crisis should never happen in Michigan.
33:42And what I've told people is that we will go to those areas that have the most worn out infrastructure.
33:49And whether it's bridges, whether it's, you know, water lines, whatever it is, we are going to hit that first
33:56because that's that's obviously important.
33:59My job as governor is to protect the safety of the citizens and water and bridges and all of that
34:06is part of that safety protection.
34:08So that's what I would be looking to do to solve those problems.
34:13As for line five, that is not a Michigan issue.
34:16That's a international issue.
34:18That agreement was made between D.C. and Canada.
34:21As much as Whitmer and Nestle want to waste your tax dollars, my tax dollars on trying to fight that.
34:26That they have no standing in it because it was an agreement internationally.
34:31So thank you that that's where we are on that.
34:35Thank you very much for that.
34:37Yeah, that gets very, very blown out of proportion there.
34:43So speaking of taxes and funding of government, you've proposed eliminating property taxes.
34:50I'm all about eliminating property taxes.
34:53I came on strong for axiom attacks under Carla Wagner.
34:58And then I think she kind of torpedoed the movement by starting to run for governor on that and making
35:05it her issue, which meant that, well, if now if you're for axiom attacks, you're actually for Carla Wagner for
35:11governor.
35:12And now she's bowed out.
35:13And I have no idea where that's going.
35:15But I personally see, and I think I've said it on air before, I think it's a constitutional issue.
35:20I don't care where the funding comes from for the schools and the fire departments and the police locally.
35:27I mean, I do care.
35:28But that's going to have to be made up because the broader issue is if you can confiscate my property
35:35because I haven't paid a tax, then I don't own the property.
35:39The state owns the property.
35:40And that's not what the founders had in mind when they talked about the pursuit of happiness.
35:48Would you like to respond to that?
35:50Well stated, brother.
35:51Well stated.
35:52You know, you talked about the founders and we were in Williamsburg.
35:55I'll make this really quick.
35:56Going from the visitor center into the old town of Williamsburg.
36:00And as you go over the bridge to the village, there are blocks that have statements on it.
36:06And one statement said, our founders did not believe in property tax.
36:09You walk a little farther.
36:11The reason why you walk a little farther and you see a Bible verse that said they believed that the
36:16earth is the Lord's in the fullness thereof.
36:18And you can't tax what God owns.
36:20And so they never had property tax in the founding of our country.
36:24In fact, I think it only came around in 19, early 1900s to pay off World War I.
36:29But here's my point.
36:31They never go away.
36:33That is exactly right.
36:35That is right.
36:36And that's why, you know, we were told that the lottery would take care of the schools.
36:40It's not taking care of the schools.
36:41You know, I mean, just so many lies.
36:43And again, that previous question, why am I running for governor?
36:46Because I'm tired of the lies.
36:48But in terms of the property tax itself, I supported Carla Wagner as well, even before she got involved in
36:59all this.
36:59She was running around in 2022, 2023, getting petitions signed.
37:04They canned her on that.
37:05But the bottom line is I'm in favor of removing property tax because it helps everybody.
37:10If you are on a fixed income, if you're getting Social Security and you're not paying income tax, you will
37:17not get $47.47.
37:20It won't help you at all.
37:22In fact, removing income tax really helps the wealthy immensely.
37:28Removing property tax helps everybody.
37:32If you're a renter, your landlord won't have to charge you that money and roll it into your monthly rent.
37:38Your rent will get lowered.
37:40If you're trying to buy a home for the first time, it'll make it much easier.
37:44If you're a business that wants to start and you're going to buy a piece of property to start build
37:49a building and start all that, you won't have to pay property tax.
37:53And, of course, as you mentioned, I think it's a crime that the government takes people's homes.
37:58And I think Carla had mentioned that it was 180,000 foreclosures started last year.
38:04180,000 here in Michigan.
38:06Now, that doesn't mean everybody lost their home.
38:08It just means that that's the threat of what's going on.
38:10There were a lot of people who lost their homes, but one of the phrases she said, you lose your
38:15spouse, you lose your house.
38:17That's the reality of it, and that's criminal.
38:19You never own your home until the tax man stops sending you a bill.
38:24It's never going to the Supreme.
38:26Go ahead.
38:27Sorry.
38:27Yeah.
38:28In terms of the budget, let me just say this.
38:31If you've watched commercials, and, you know, I like Perry Johnson.
38:34He's a great guy.
38:35He's got a lot of good ideas, but he talks about this mega audit.
38:38And what I've been saying to people, I've already done a REBA audit.
38:43You know, the first four letters of my last name, R-E-B-A.
38:46And it stands for RELF Emergency Budget Audit.
38:49And I'm not waiting for day one to do this.
38:54We've already done it.
38:55We've already identified the areas that we will cut.
38:57And our budget, right now, the budget in Michigan is $80 billion.
39:05Our budget would be $69 billion.
39:07We are going to cut almost $12 billion from the budget.
39:14And the point is, we've already identified it.
39:18We know the areas where we can cut.
39:21And it's out there.
39:23And I show people I have a Veto pen.
39:26And everywhere I speak, I give it away to somebody or several people.
39:31And one lady from the audience said, well, I hope it has a lot of ink in it.
39:36But there's a lot to veto.
39:40You're going to cut the budget, right?
39:43And so we cut property taxes.
39:45So where does the money come from for local schools, fire services, police services?
39:54Good question.
39:55Here's how I look at it.
39:57I'm like Ron DeSantis.
40:00Ron DeSantis on the news last week said, Florida is a low-tax state.
40:06And therefore, it's a low-budget state.
40:09When we cut the budget, we don't need that extra revenue.
40:13But here's the plan.
40:15The plan is to privatize everything that government should not be involved in.
40:20We all know Secretary of State, the post office, U.S. post office, they're all disasters.
40:24And they're owned by government.
40:26And even trying to get on to the Secretary of State office to get my petitions that they're saying I
40:33have bad signatures, it took me hours.
40:35It took me an hour to even pay the bill, to find out a tab where you click to pay
40:40the bill.
40:41But here's the point.
40:42Government should not be involved in a lot of things.
40:46They shouldn't own graveyards.
40:49They shouldn't own golf courses.
40:51They shouldn't own splash pads.
40:54These are things that government will get out of when I'm there.
40:57So we're going to privatize everything.
40:59We're going to lower the budget as well for that local tax or that, you know, what we're talking about.
41:04The property tax locally helps pay for law enforcement and fire and police and schools.
41:10So we're going to remove or totally change and restructure from having 537 school superintendents because there's so much overload
41:21on the administrative end.
41:23We'll remove that and have 83.
41:25This is a real possibility.
41:27And this is how we would do this.
41:29Most of those school superintendents are making over $100,000.
41:32Most of them, probably the average is $150,000 a year.
41:35And some of them are upward near $500,000 a year.
41:39So my point is, if we limit it to $83,000, one per county, it'll totally change the financial need
41:47in that local area.
41:49And then finally, we have a form that government, local government would have to work through.
41:55And we're not going to pull the rug out from under anybody.
41:57It'd probably be a year process, maybe two-year process to work through all this.
42:01But we have to ask, what is government there for?
42:04And, Ed, government is there for public safety, which means police, fire, EMS.
42:11It's there, secondly, for infrastructure.
42:14I've never seen a Republican road or a Democratic drain.
42:18Everybody uses that.
42:19Everybody uses that.
42:21Elections.
42:21If we don't have secure elections, we don't have a country anymore.
42:26Education.
42:27We have a constitutional demand for education.
42:31And we're going to restructure that, as I've already said, in terms of the superintendents.
42:35So it's a combination of things.
42:37It's not like just, okay, we're going to take this out and then say, where are we going to get
42:41the extra money?
42:41No, we're going to remove stuff so we don't need as much extra money.
42:46And if there is something locally, I guess to finish this statement, let me come back to this.
42:51I would be looking at a constitutional amendment for state revenue sharing on the educational part of it.
42:57We are already doing that in law enforcement.
42:59We're already doing that in other areas.
43:01That would make the most sense to have a state revenue sharing.
43:06Because right now, when Lansing sends down their administrative rules that are burdening local government, you know, it's like a
43:15quick story.
43:16Lake Odessa received a letter, and every fire department did.
43:20And I know this because I'm a chaplain.
43:22And I, by the way, Ed, the southeastern Michigan chiefs of the police have unanimously endorsed me for my run
43:27for governor.
43:28But in Lake Odessa, they get this letter from Lansing.
43:31It says, you have to change your tires on your truck every three or four years, blah, blah, blah.
43:36This great list.
43:37And the chief came out and he said, we can't do this.
43:39This is not going to work in our community.
43:40It would double our budget.
43:42And we can't afford to do that.
43:43And we're not going to tax our people higher to make it happen.
43:45So he stood up against it.
43:47But that's the kind of stuff that if we get government, you know, get back to local control, get the
43:53Lansing out of our pockets, get Lansing out of our lives.
43:56I've got to interrupt you because we've only got a couple minutes left.
43:59What I've heard people complain about is that if we're depending on state funds for our schools, we lose local
44:05control.
44:06Well, that's – and actually, I want to drop that at this point because I have another question I want
44:13to ask you, okay?
44:15Okay.
44:15Unless you can give that 30 – can you give that 30 seconds?
44:18Well, you know, the bottom line is government – sorry.
44:23Government doesn't have to follow the money.
44:27It doesn't have to follow the money.
44:28In fact, that's where the point comes with local control.
44:32House Bill 4027, 4028 from Greg Alexander that is in the House right now would return all of the responsibilities
44:40to local government, not to the state or federal government.
44:43That's what I'm looking to do.
44:45Okay.
44:46I like that.
44:48Firearms.
44:48Where do you want firearms?
44:50Well, obviously, I'm a big supporter of the Second Amendment.
44:54That happens to be something that I love.
44:55I've hunted my whole life.
44:57I remember when Obama became president.
44:59I went out and bought an AR-15.
45:02Yep.
45:03And an AK.
45:04I bought an AK.
45:05There you go.
45:06There you go.
45:07And, you know, I'm for constitutional carry.
45:10I know that all of these red flag gun laws that they passed last year, we're going to repeal those.
45:19Those are the answers I wanted to hear.
45:20I don't know about the rest of my audience, but I'm sure they're all nodding their head vigorously at that.
45:25And, oh, in the last minute, what's this about Bitcoin?
45:29What?
45:30I mean, I'm reading that you're for a gold standard for Michigan.
45:35How does that work?
45:36Did I misread that?
45:40The gold standard is Article 1, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution states that says that states can use
45:46gold and silver as legal tender.
45:49A buddy of mine in Texas named Kevin Freeman started what he calls transactional gold.
45:55Texas, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia's talking about it.
46:03Those three that I just mentioned, and I think there might be another two states that have already passed it.
46:08Basically, what it means is that the state would have a depository where people can put their gold.
46:12And you use a debit card to help or to just like a credit card for a bank account.
46:18But you're using it against your gold.
46:19And the reason why I want to do this is because I want to protect generational wealth.
46:24As the dollar continues to sink, gold continues to go up.
46:28And if your money is sitting and invested in your gold in a state depository, and you can access it
46:35just like you had a credit card, you could buy a pizza, you could buy a car with it, depending
46:38on how much money you have in there, your money is worth more money because it's in that.
46:42And the Constitution allows that.
46:44So that's what that's all about.
46:45All right.
46:46We've got 40 seconds left.
46:47Thanks, Derek.
46:48So we're talking to Ralph Rebant.
46:49Ralph, tell people how they can contact you or your links.
46:57All right.
47:00Rebant4governor.com.
47:01That's F-O-R, governor.
47:03Actually, we bought both of them.
47:04So if you type in a four or number four or spell it out, it's still there.
47:08Rebant, R-E-B-A-N-D-T, for governor.com.
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48:26Sunday thoughts
48:28Coffee steaming quiet streams
48:32Headlines heavy
48:34People breaking when no one sees
48:38So I lift their names up
48:42Every burden I can't fix
48:45Let it rise like incense
48:48Every hurt into your hands
48:51I'm sending thoughts and prayers to heaven
48:55Over every broken heart
48:58Every family
49:00Every soldier
49:01Every shadow
49:03When they scar
49:04When this world crowns its pretenders
49:08I remember what they preached
49:11Our fathers wrote it down forever
49:14No kings
49:16But King Jesus over me
49:19Jesus is King
49:22Jesus is King
49:25Jesus is King
49:28Old church steeple
49:32Cross still reaching past the sky
49:36Ancient promise
49:38Still the answer to our cries
49:43From the fields
49:45From the fields at Valley Forge
49:46To the pew I'm kneeling in
49:49Same confession on our lips
49:53Same hope that never ends
49:55I'm sending thoughts and prayers to heaven
49:59I'm sending thoughts and prayers to heaven
50:00Over every broken heart
50:02Every neighbor
50:04Every stranger
50:05Every home that's torn apart
50:08When this world crowns its pretenders
50:12I remember what they preached
50:15Our fathers wrote it down forever
50:18No king
50:20No king
50:20But King Jesus over me
50:23Jesus is King
50:25Jesus is King
50:29Jesus is King
50:38To the old Christian beliefs
50:40And our republic decree
50:43No king
50:48But King Jesus over me
51:07It ain't all sweet songs by the fire
51:11Warm hands
51:13Soft words
51:14Pretty choirs
51:19If I cut out the thorns
51:22From the story
51:25I'd be dressing up a grave as glory
51:28This is tough love gospel
51:31And I just can't fire shine
51:34If I sand down the edges
51:37I turn truth into lies
51:41Reality or delusion
51:43I can't serve both sides
51:47I'm not here just for the choir
51:49I'm here where the hurt hearts hide
51:53Yeah
51:53Some pages bleed red in the margins
51:57Hard lines, hard calls, hard bargains
52:00If I skip over storms for your comfort
52:03Then your house gets washed in the flood water
52:07This is tough love gospel
52:09Not just can't fire shine
52:12If I sand down the edges
52:15I turn truth into a lie
52:18Reality or delusion
52:22I can't serve both sides
52:25I'm not here just for the choir
52:27I'm here where the hurt hearts hide
52:31At all
52:31Do you want a dream or do you want a mirror
52:35Do you want a joke or do you want it clearer
52:38If the truth cuts deep let it cut through fear
52:41Better scars that heal than a sweet lie in your ear
52:46This ain't cotton candy truth
52:48Ain't a campfire sing-along rhyme
52:52You can't sell sweet dreams
52:55While the house burns behind
52:57If it never cuts deep
53:00It will sugar all along
53:03If you skip the hard pages
53:06You just rewrote the song
53:10This is tough love gospel
53:13Not rainbows on a wire
53:16If you hide the hard words
53:19You're just planting the fire
53:22I won't preach delusion
53:25Just to make it sound lighter
53:28If I only sue the choir
53:31I'm a singer, not a fighter
53:36You can hum all the feel-good lines
53:39While your neighbor breaks inside
53:42Quote hope like a slogan
53:45Then look away from the crime
53:48But a bandage on a bullet wound
53:51Is a pretty little lie
53:53If the truth never offends us
53:57Did we ever even try?
54:00This is tough love gospel
54:02Not rainbows on a wire
54:05If you hide the hard words
54:08You're just planting the fire
54:11I won't preach delusion
54:14Just to make it sound lighter
54:17If I only sue the choir
54:20I'm a singer, not a fighter
54:24I'd rather lose that crowd
54:26Than sell them painted grace
54:29I'd rather stand alone
54:32And smile and dodge the weight
54:36Don't ask for easy comfort
54:39Then curse the honest cost
54:42Love that never warns you
54:45Will leave you more than lost
54:49This is tough love gospel
54:51Not rainbows on a wire
54:54If you hide the hard words
54:58You're just planting the fire
55:00I won't preach delusion
55:03Just to make it sound lighter
55:06If I only sue the choir
55:09I'm a singer, not a fighter
55:12Oh, if I dress up the danger
55:17I'm a liar, not a writer
55:23Tough love
55:24The bible isn't just rainbows and lollipops
55:27Singing cumbire around the campfire
55:31You cannot ignore the harsh reality drops
55:36To peddle such makes you a liar
55:41Reality verse delusion
55:43Speaking
55:44Not just to the choir
55:49This, that
55:50And in all things transpires
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