00:00un poco
00:01ah
00:03listen, we read this paragraph in here about these
00:06quotes coronal discharges
00:08that you guys were seeing
00:09and that completely stops us
00:12tell us what
00:13how this came about
00:15and who talked to you about it
00:17and what you saw
00:19somebody reported
00:20on one of the earlier flights
00:23that some guy
00:25had a letter in his paperwork
00:27somewhere they shipped it down to me
00:28at the Cape about two things
00:31were the VHF radio noises
00:32which could be discharges from some places
00:35in space and the other ones were
00:37a photo of Neil's flight
00:39he said the airport is seeing flashes
00:41on a spacecraft
00:42and not even put their eyes closed
00:46they noticed them
00:48when they were awake at night
00:49the spacecraft was dark and they thought
00:51they were in a spacecraft
00:52but whoever this guy was said no
00:54well that's a perfectly known phenomenon
00:56you can get discharges across your eye
00:58from gamma rays or something
01:00so that's what you think
01:02would we close our eyes
01:05and face the moon
01:06you know when we were orbiting it
01:08because it would be more
01:09you'd get less discharges facing the moon
01:12and away from us
01:13you don't have to be anywhere
01:15to do the moon or anywhere
01:16the first night out
01:17and if you keep your eyes closed
01:21and your weight down there
01:22and it's dark and you think about it
01:25but it happens
01:25you can spin down and it's one eye
01:28it's not a discharges you can see in both eyes
01:31you can really see it with one eye
01:32or the other eye
01:33and you can see what kind it is
01:35we had two kinds
01:36I guess the particles will either
01:38strike the eyeball perpendicular
01:41or it's just very parallel
01:43and we'd get either a flag like that
01:46or we'd get a streak
01:49and I'm the only two that I know
01:51so I either got a flag or a streak
01:53and I for some reason got it more with my left eye
01:57than my right eye
01:57but I could tell which eye it was
01:59when I was concentrating on it
02:01I'm trying to tell you the reason you did
02:03it's because it's where each left
02:05was always on the left side of the spacecraft
02:08and it's not like I've whipped up across there
02:09and I caught all the right ones in my eye
02:12yeah
02:22they should have protected you dick
02:24they should have all
02:25they should have picked them all up
02:28I'm really surprised you didn't hear about this
02:29because we were asked to specifically experiment with this
02:33by saying
02:33or the plane
02:35there's two pages in the plane
02:36we didn't bother
02:39we would see it every now and week
02:40and all the time
02:41there's a paper
02:41and I'll look at the exact thing
02:44the two phenomena
02:45that came out of a letter
02:46Buzz Neil talked about this
02:47I remember their conversation about it
02:51they thought it was something
02:53you know penetrating the spacecraft
02:56what Peter described
02:58is the exact phenomenon of all three of us
03:00don't
03:01you see a light
03:02you know just a flash out there
03:03or sometimes there'll be a
03:05on the street
03:07and I saw them in both eyes
03:08he or I
03:09and I can't remember
03:11if there was one
03:12that was more predominant
03:13than the other
03:13but I agree with you
03:15it's a phenomenon
03:16that you're not seeing
03:17with both eyes
03:18it's not something external
03:21inside you
03:21coming across
03:23is that one
03:24apparently they know that
03:25apparently they're completely
03:27known
03:28well we've been looking for
03:31cosmic rays
03:32you know cosmic ray strikes
03:33and heavy particles
03:36heavy nuclei
03:37that go through
03:38you know we started at clear back
03:39and mercury
03:40taking photographs of the retina
03:42to see if you could see his streaks
03:43across the retina and stuff
03:44we never could find any in there
03:46and so we stopped that up early in the world
03:49by the end of the site
03:52your eye is like the fastest healer on your body
03:55and if it's doing anything
03:56you're never going to see it
03:57by the time you get a guy back
03:58you're never going to see it
03:59is if you photograph it right after the park
04:01over the body
04:02well probably what it's doing anyway
04:04it's probably hitting just a single cell
04:06and yeah
04:08that's all it has to do
04:09particularly make this flash
04:10you know you hit a single cell
04:12I saw a webinar
04:13last night
04:13so I was looking at the MDP
04:15a handrail up above
04:16and one right
04:17right along
04:18I don't know where it went
04:19it's here
04:20you know
04:20right straight along that handrail
04:22for about that
04:23that's just
04:24and I just had to be
04:25looking at that
04:26and now you could almost
04:27see them at will
04:28that's right
04:29where you just lie there
04:30you didn't close your eyes
04:31what a bit
04:31I want to see you on it
04:32you open one eye
04:33and you have to already see it
04:36you didn't believe it at first
04:38you didn't believe it at first
04:39you didn't believe it at first
04:39we saw it at first
04:40tonight
04:41and I thought
04:42hey I'm just getting
04:44spring loaded from that
04:45you know on the
04:46prayer that I had to see
04:48see them that got
04:49trying to speak to them
04:50and they said
04:51remember the mission
04:52you wake up at night
04:53and you say
04:53well I think I ought to see something
04:55you close your eyes
04:56those things
04:56you come about one minute
05:02let me ask you one more question about heart
05:05oh here
05:07were these random distribution of these
05:11or did they seem to be
05:12apparently horizontal
05:14ok
05:15were these
05:16were these things random
05:19or did they all seem to be in one direction
05:21like were they always horizontal
05:23or were they at random
05:24they could be at any kind of angle
05:25but the streets I saw
05:27were horizontal
05:29I was going to say
05:30that's interesting
05:31mine
05:31it seemed to me
05:33I had the impression
05:33that they were always
05:35roughly in the same place
05:36and mine were horizontal
05:37the horizontal streets were always
05:40if I knew where I was looking
05:42it always seemed like
05:43the horizontal street was
05:44a little bit above the center
05:46and it always seemed to me
05:48it went from right to left
05:49no matter which eye it was in
05:51the
05:52the
05:54discharges were more towards the center
05:56and it would be just a
05:57it was just like a pinpoint of light went
06:00and closed again
06:02like somebody was flashing a light at you
06:06yeah
06:06that's right
06:07yeah
06:08not too big a light at you
06:09yeah
06:10yeah
06:12yeah
06:12yeah
06:18is that about the same for both of you
06:22is that the same reaction you had Dick and Al
06:26the way Pete described it
06:28what's that
06:29yeah
06:29just about 30 degrees of horizontal
06:32what they were coming
06:32see I didn't know it was coming from the right or left
06:37that's pretty interesting
06:38yeah
06:39but about the same
06:40they seem to appear about the same place
06:43no
06:44no
06:47the horizontal ones that I saw were generally above either
06:52same way
06:52yeah
06:53it was generally high
06:55now I
06:55I don't know that I can't include any other
06:58I can't remember
06:58I just don't remember any of them being down the lower part of the division
07:04you see
07:05you see
07:05Dick's telling you best
07:06see them
07:07with his eyes open
07:09and
07:10and
07:10other
07:11things that each center his eye on
07:13the lights on the instrument panel
07:14and I used to notice them the most
07:16when I was down there
07:17in a sleeping bag of a
07:18pitch black down there in the hole
07:20and what makes a difference was when the eyes were open or closed
07:22and I could lay there for
07:23I used to kill a time that way
07:25to stay for
07:25a half an hour
07:26and
07:27either open them
07:28or close them and wait
07:29and sure enough
07:30after a while
07:31you'd get one
07:32and then I'd sit there for a while
07:33and say okay
07:34there's a left eye on the right
07:35I'd take a while to sort it out
07:37and
07:38but you'd usually figure out which eye I was in
07:41now you know what you're doing
07:42you're supposed to be sleeping on
07:43yeah
07:48there was a comment that
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