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00:12So I gotta ask, we're going on 20 years since the crime, you've never talked about a lot
00:18of this on the record before, so why are you willing to talk about it now?
00:26I held out for so long just because I didn't want to lose my life, so I knew Cassie had
00:34lost
00:34her.
00:36And so I want the audience to understand this is something I have to do because it's the
00:43truth.
00:44Is there any topic that's off-limits for you?
00:49Now.
01:00After the jury received the written instructions, closing arguments began.
01:06Prosecutor Mark Heideman says the state has made its case.
01:09Attorneys told the jury what they needed to do.
01:11I think most victims' families would say that justice is never letting them perpetrate
01:18this on anybody else again.
01:21This was such a heinous, severe crime that it deserved the most severe punishment.
01:28The reality is continuing to tell all different kinds of stories to the police and to its
01:35parents.
01:36But the defense says the evidence just doesn't stack up.
01:39That has died in the passions and prejudice that every one of us has had when we looked
01:43at that video tape and looked deeper.
01:50Brian was bigger physically.
01:52He was older.
01:53And so Brian was clearly the one most capable of committing the crime.
01:59And so we focused on that.
02:01Brian had an idea about harming people because he wrote about it in Black River.
02:10And I think that Tori was definitely drawn in.
02:21Brian claims that Tori was the one who wrote that story but just dictated it to Brian.
02:30I told Tori that Brian was not good for him.
02:37The problem is we interviewed so many people.
02:41The vast majority of them would talk about Tori being the dominant person in that relationship.
02:52I remember when I first saw the whole tape and I saw the interactions, I remember thinking
02:59that Tori was the leader because Brian's freaking out.
03:03And Tori is more collected.
03:04And he's like, shut the fuck up.
03:06Shut the fuck up.
03:07We gotta get our act straight.
03:09I know Brian and I know Tori.
03:12I mean, in my mind, from my point of view, I feel like Tori ignited Brian's dark side.
03:20Let's talk about the person that really matters.
03:24Cassie Stoddard.
03:29Just minutes after Judge Peter McDermott announced the jury had reached a verdict, people surged
03:33into the courthouse.
03:35Brian Draper entered for the last time and sat with his defense team.
03:39I've been doing this for 30 years.
03:41That's the most emotional case I ever had.
03:44I got close to Brian.
03:46I got close to his family.
03:47He was a young man.
03:49I was a parent of young children at the time and trial was hard.
03:55Is Brian Lee Draper guilty or not guilty of murder in the first degree?
04:04Guilty.
04:11I don't think he realized until that moment the pain he'd caused everyone.
04:19We got guilty.
04:20That's all we needed.
04:21Thank you so much.
04:23Job well done.
04:25One down, one more to go.
04:28What was that?
04:29What was that?
04:45An incredibly emotional day in the courtroom for Tory Adamczyk's family.
04:51i expected that verdict to hold out multiple days i honestly believed that the jury would
04:57at a minimum struggle with first degree murder and then hopefully struggle with conspiracy
05:04it took jurors seven and a half hours to come up with their decision
05:09is tarry michael adam check guilty or not guilty of murder in the first degree
05:16jury has answered guilty
05:23prosecutor said if you go to bed at night and there's no snow on the ground and you wake up
05:28in the morning and there's snow on the ground you know it snowed so both boys were there both boys
05:33were guilty when the judge read the decision adam chick's sister began to sob loudly well the
05:41stoddart family looked relieved get the justice that cassie deserves i feel sorry for the other
05:47families too you know uh but i think justice was served
05:54when the judge said he was going to sentence them together i knew that he was going to give them
05:59the
06:00same sentence they've pretty much told us that he's going to make an example out of these boys
06:04and you need to prepare for that
06:13brian ultimately did confess as to his involvement and took the detectives to the evidence
06:19we were promised they would help as a result of this and we are still waiting
06:26it sounded like they were gonna have a chance at parole in 30 years you know 30 years a long
06:34long
06:34time i'm like that seems extreme but we have appeals coming up and we'll see where this goes
06:41he was a loving and caring boy he's an incredible kid
06:48there was a list they weren't done if they wouldn't have been caught they would have kept going
06:55and so people were very concerned about what the judge was going to do there was a nervous energy
07:09you both have been convicted of murder in the first degree
07:14cassie was savagely stabbed many times
07:18the sky drew cells with mass and darkness which made it even more frightening for her
07:24both were excited about the killing he was a cold-blooded horrific act
07:31and then the next sentence was life without parole
07:34the life sentence is fixed without the possibility of approval
07:44i remember the moment distinctly i just i just melted away
07:52you know i guys i'm sorry you guys like i said you guys have kids but
07:58i'm convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that if you were released that you'd kill again
08:08life without parole is was incomprehensible
08:14when the verdict finally did come out i was extremely extremely relieved and i just knew it was
08:21it was right life without parole is absolutely required for people like brian and tori
08:28i don't know whether tori adam chick is the more evil person or brian draper
08:33but i do know that they were both involved in the murder they both did it
08:36they both deserve equal sentences and they and that's what they got
08:39the whole thing was emotional
08:45and the impact on the family was was tremendous
08:49there will always be a empty space in our hearts
08:53we can't hug her we can't kiss her
08:57she left this world frightened to death this was a vicious and religious crime
09:03friends don't kill friends
09:07you've put our family through hell and now you will know what hell's like
09:16nobody in their right mind wants to see a teenager
09:21sentenced to life in prison without parole
09:26but they intended to become famous through murder
09:30and who explicitly made it clear
09:34they intended to kill many many people
09:38from a judge's perspective you take them out of the game plan
09:43he was barely responsible enough according to our laws
09:48to even have a license life without parole is cruel
09:54at 16 that's my take as a parent
10:01we all walked outside i'll never forget to this day i walked outside
10:06the skies were
10:11lightning
10:13thunder
10:17it was like the fitting conclusion to the day
10:21you know even the sky wants me dead
10:29after the trial
10:31my daughter and i went to a new restaurant in town
10:36and when we walked in i felt something
10:41people were talking and pointing and looking
10:44but the waitress came up and said
10:47i just need to let you know i'm cassie's family
10:51and my only thought was please god don't do this in front of my child
10:56if you want to rip me apart
11:00that's okay
11:01but not in front of my daughter
11:05and she
11:07she said
11:08i just want to thank you
11:11for the kindness and the respect you've shown my family
11:15but i know the pain my family caused her
11:20and their kindness to us
11:23was
11:25unexpected
11:27but beautiful
11:31i scrambled to survive
11:33for i don't know how long it was
11:35a year or two to pretend to be at work
11:37to pretend to do stuff
11:41and then one day i just left
11:44i didn't even try to sell stuff
11:47i literally gave everything away
11:50i lost well over a million dollars in real estate alone
11:54i wanted to give all i could away
11:58and disappear
12:12me and brian used to come out here and skateboard back in the day
12:16just hanging out over here and you know just enjoying life as kids
12:24it's been very surreal that something so bad could come out of
12:29nowhere
12:31i wish things wouldn't have went the way they did
12:37i feel like
12:38i would love to just
12:40sit and just be able to kind of look britton in the eye
12:44and tell him
12:46i'm here still
12:48and you didn't break me
12:49but
12:52know that
12:54you did take a part of my life away from me
13:13to be a dad
13:14means always being there for your children
13:17always being there
13:19and amazingly enough it doesn't change when your son goes to prison
13:26even for murder
13:29my son arrived here right after his 18th birthday and he's been here in that same facility ever since
13:38initially he did have some trouble with people being violent towards him because of his crime
13:47remember there was a young girl involved prisoners don't like that
13:54the pain that that crime caused
13:58there's no excuse there's no explanation
14:05just misery
14:11violence
14:12violence in particular
14:13violence with a weapon
14:16if you brand it your weapon
14:17all of a sudden you're more powerful than anything in front of you
14:20everyone understands violence
14:22everyone feels violence
14:23everyone is afraid of violence
14:33i could go to school and nothing i did mattered
14:36like nothing i did made an effect on anybody around me
14:38and i felt like i was disappearing into my school
14:43how do i immediately affect people
14:45in a way that can be extremely felt
14:47and heard and that's through violence
14:50people who are weak
14:51like i was
14:52i don't have to use my words i can just lash out like a child
14:59growing up
15:00pretty normal everyday childhood
15:02my friends in the neighborhood
15:04we used to play head and see
15:05just doing like normal everyday stuff
15:09i was always empathetic and emotional when i was a kid but
15:12i wasn't connected with it
15:14i didn't understand why i felt so intense about the world around me
15:19and so it just scared me and haunted me
15:21and tortured me
15:24i had all these crazy dreams about being this amazing skateboarder
15:27it was just a need to feel important and special
15:34as i got older that got polluted and twisted and get toward it into something that was terrible
15:43two masked gunmen wearing all black began shooting at least 18 people
15:52that shooting opened up a path for kids like me to follow
15:56i thought that i could emulate those shooters
16:00i wanted people to think of columbine when they saw me to be afraid of me
16:06because i identified with them
16:07i went online and i constantly chatted online
16:10of people who worshipped these kids
16:13they thought they were the coolest things on the planet
16:17i watched everything
16:18all their home videos
16:19i watched those things every day
16:21every day
16:50and that's how i identified them
16:52time to do that
16:54when i was 16
16:55i didn't know what it meant
16:56to really do something like that
16:57and i think a part of me
17:01thought that like at the end of all this
17:02everybody would be okay
17:03and go back to school
17:06and over time
17:07and like getting older here
17:08i just realized how stupid that was
17:29the library is right there
17:31upstairs
17:34makes me think of
17:36tori and brian sitting in the library
17:38making that video
17:40before they
17:42murdered cassie
17:47it's just hard for me
17:49because i was so close with tori
17:53i often wonder
17:54if i'm the only one stuck
17:56in the past
17:57with everything that had happened
18:05it's the day before
18:06cassie was killed
18:08that tori was asking me
18:10in the halls of booktale high school
18:11to have a sleepover with cassie
18:15there were not going to be any adults there
18:18and it was just going to be cassie
18:22and me and tori and brian
18:27i had plans with my boyfriend and his parents
18:29to go to an isu basketball game
18:32who knows the what if
18:34if i did say yes on stay in the night
18:36with cassie that night
18:39the next day
18:40tori had come over to my boyfriend's parents house
18:42and all i can remember is
18:44sitting and having dinner
18:45with my boyfriend
18:46his parents
18:47and tori right next to me
18:53and he was himself like nothing happened
18:57and that was before word got out that she was gone
19:04tori is just like any other teenager
19:08not really any warning signs
19:12and if there were
19:14i wish i would have seen him
19:15because i didn't
19:18hello you have a call at no expense to you from
19:22tori adam check
19:24an inmate at idaho maximum security institution
19:36after the crime was committed
19:38i just couldn't face it emotionally
19:42probably i was just basically an average piece of shit as a person
19:49like you know the first thing i did after the crime happened was to lie about it
19:57i admitted to everything i'd done except stabbing cassie because that was the one thing i couldn't admit to
20:11so i just continued to tell a lie
20:14and make everything worse with a lie
20:19instead of taking responsibility for what i had done
20:25i was still too much of a coward to admit it to my parents or to my attorneys
20:33and i didn't actually wake up from that for a while
20:39but once i did it was like
20:41what do i do now
20:42so it's liberating because i feel like i didn't talk about anything at this point
20:53me and brian we weren't the same
20:56but we both had our reasons for hating something about what was going on
21:02i started disbelieving in god
21:05i'm gonna die someday and life is meaningless
21:08and if nothing mattered
21:10then morality serves no purpose
21:15i'm sure you guys believe in god as well
21:19i realized when i was in seventh grade
21:22you don't believe in santa claus
21:25or vampires
21:27i was basically drunk as a 16 year old
21:32on bad ideas
21:36that was definitely an obsession
21:38because i didn't have an answer for it
21:41me and brian had talked each other into doing it
21:44and that's how we got there
21:50i wanted a different life for myself
21:52but at that time
21:54i just didn't have the experience
21:56or wisdom
21:57to see any of that
22:00i was lost in a heterosexual world
22:05i don't know if he was just beginning to realize it
22:08i don't know if he'd already realized
22:10i don't know how old it was
22:11but tori is gay
22:13and he really struggled with that
22:16all my friends were straight
22:18all my family that i know are straight
22:22i didn't know one person
22:24not even like a distant family friend
22:27or anybody who was openly gay
22:30when tori told me
22:32we were in prison
22:34he's like i've been meaning to tell you this for years mom
22:37i don't i've never known how to tell you this
22:40that big lie
22:42that had been dominating
22:44most of my life at that point
22:46was finally gone
22:50but it's no excuse
22:52for what i did
22:55and the choices i made
22:58it was like the hardest thing for him to tell me
23:01that he was gay
23:03and i just said tori
23:05after everything we've been through
23:07this is small potatoes
23:09before i was arrested
23:11i felt my parents were basically obstacles
23:15i don't know how they would have taken me coming out as gay
23:18they might have been okay with it
23:23it meant nothing to me but
23:25i can't say that would have been the case before all this
23:28i would have not been happy
23:31this changed me a lot
23:32i will be perfectly honest
23:34i thought i was a great mother
23:36i really did
23:37i thought oh my gosh i'm doing everything right
23:40very actively involved with my kids
23:42and then suddenly all those credentials are taken away
23:45tori's arrested
23:46it's like i can't parent anybody
23:48i failed at that job
23:56i wish i would have known more
23:58i didn't know more
24:00i definitely was missing some tools
24:06for you future serial killers watching that beat
24:11i don't know what to say
24:12it's been a lot of fun
24:14yeah
24:16good luck
24:18if you're okay with talking about it
24:19why did you make that video
24:36that video was us documenting what we were thinking and planning
24:42but by being on camera i was just aware of that so i acted a little differently than how i
24:51would have popped him
25:03i don't think it was really genuinely me or him on the tape
25:07it's not like you could say that i was like a dr jekyll mr hyde with or without the camera
25:14but it just sort of added a filter to who i was
25:20i don't want to make excuses
25:22i don't want to stick up for myself at 16 like it's unnecessary because that kid was what he was
25:30the person who did that crime does not exist anymore he's gone and what he was is gone
25:38that crime happened when he was 16
25:42we know beyond a shadow of a doubt
25:45brain development is by far not complete at age 16
25:52the crime is not about brian
25:55it's not about tori
25:58the crime is about brian
25:59and tori
26:01two troubled teens
26:04fed off of each other
26:07the adolescent brain
26:08is like a car
26:10with the accelerator pressed down to the floor
26:13and not a good braking system
26:19and it's not until the late teens and early twenties that self-control tends to improve
26:26adults often kill for clear-cut reasons jealousy profit
26:31for adolescents they often kill for no reason at all
26:36a leather jacket a pair of sneakers a challenging glance emulating movie
26:41you want to die
26:44they're impatient and impulsive
26:47a 16 year old may commit the most heinous of crimes
26:52they are not as morally responsible as adults
26:59i feel like there's two people
27:01there was the kid i was that brought me here
27:04and i admitted that crime
27:05and then there's who i am now
27:08and i feel like i'm serving a punishment
27:09that belongs to him not me
27:17i remember when i was like 25 i was like god this shit's never gonna end
27:21and for life without parole
27:23it gets weird when you think about like accountability
27:2720 years later 30 years later
27:31we're the only country in the world
27:34that throws our juvenile children away for life
27:37and never have a possibility of parole
27:40do you think that brian has served enough
27:42i think it's time he comes home
27:44well that is a very good question
27:49the easy the quick answer is yes
27:52there were children
27:54there's literally different people now
28:03the u.s supreme court made a ruling that may be felt close to home
28:07the issue is whether or not it's constitutional for juveniles convicted of homicide
28:11to receive mandatory sentences of life without the possibility of parole
28:17in 2012 the u.s supreme court determined that mandatory life without parole was unconstitutional
28:23that it was cruel and unusual punishment
28:26we treat juveniles different in so many other ways
28:29they can't vote till they're 18
28:30they can't drink or smoke till they're 21
28:33or go in a casino
28:35we knew that adolescents think differently
28:38behave differently
28:39and those types of circumstances had not been considered in these cases
28:44the u.s supreme court did not indicate
28:46whether it would be a retroactive decision
28:49what happens to kids who were prosecuted prior to them
28:53some states decided to resentence anyone who had been given an automatic life of parole
28:59and now all of the parole boards started having these parole hearings for people that had been in a while
29:06the juveniles that had received a life sentence
29:09would you make a decision at 16 that you would make it 30 probably not
29:16but how do we know for sure somebody's rehabilitated before we take that responsibility of just turning them loose again
29:22after we did all that work and due diligence to protect society and protect the victims
29:32i'm not that 14 year old
29:34i'm not that 14 year old kid anymore
29:35i'm 51 year old mature responsible adult
29:41a man who beat a classmate to death as a teenager has been granted parole after 37 years
29:49in 1986
29:51in 1986
29:52the rod matthews case
29:53and the murder of sean willett
29:54occurred in canton massachusetts
29:56he was the youngest person
29:58in america to be tried as an adult
30:00for a crime like that
30:04i am
30:05the mother of sean willett
30:08he was 14 years old
30:11when he was taken into the woods by his classmate
30:15rod matthews
30:17and bludgeoned him with a baseball bat
30:20quote
30:20for the heck of it
30:21the prosecution says matthews carefully planned what he did
30:25then cleaned off the bloody baseball bat in the snow
30:29and brought friends to see the body
30:32he decided
30:33i need to find out what it feels like to kill someone
30:38can you imagine when we heard that
30:42there's no logic to that at all
30:46there never will be
30:48i started to meet with the family of the victims
30:51Jeannie Quinn whom i understood
30:53the horrific pain that she felt
30:56the loss
30:58decades later
30:59i heard from rod matthews who had written to me
31:02he understood fully
31:05the gravity of the crime he committed
31:08the guilt shame and remorse i carry
31:10is part of who i am
31:12as it should be
31:14i don't ever want these feelings to leave me for
31:16it'll feel as if
31:18i'm letting myself off the hook
31:20which should never be the case after what i did
31:25when i testified before the parole board
31:27on behalf of on matthews i didn't do it as a friend of the killer
31:31i didn't do it as an enemy of the of the victim's family
31:35i did on behalf of justice
31:38i saw very clearly his level of remorse
31:41and that he wasn't the same person that he was at age 14.
31:46should his age matter no his deed the deed that he did should matter
31:54he lost his title of juvenile he is 15.
32:00but he's a murderer
32:03sean's mother has been pleading with the parole board to keep matthews behind bars
32:07i should let you know my fears
32:10it's for the wealth the health and the well-being of all of us
32:15so now we're in the year 2025 and rod matthews was granted parole
32:25i am livid
32:28there's nothing that i can do about rod matthews getting out
32:37nothing
32:40you don't stop another person's heartbeat
32:44and get away with it
32:46not ever
32:49you devastate so many people
32:54i know that the families typically want that person to stay incarcerated
32:59it's not up to the families
33:01it's up to society
33:04i'm not saying that draper and amechek necessarily deserve parole
33:08it depends on what's gone on the past 20 years
33:12have they changed
33:15i've been trying to make sense of everything for a long time
33:21this wasn't an act of like professional cold-blooded killers
33:28it was uh i can only say crisis that got me to that point where i was there and hurting
33:34somebody
33:37one thing that you haven't described
33:39one thing that you haven't described
33:39and this is something we're still trying to get to the core
33:42um
33:45why cassie
33:46today
33:57cassie was
34:00a school friend mostly
34:02she was more
34:05outgoing than i was
34:07So, she helped me to feel comfortable about myself around her.
34:15That's why Cassie's death is tragic, because she just was the unlucky one to be alone.
34:24And me and Brian were talking about killing somebody a week before that happened.
34:32And I don't know if anybody can ever understand this, but I actually had no, like, motivation to hurt her.
34:42I really just don't know how I couldn't see the basic empathy that I owe to her.
34:51Let's all admit something that we know to be true.
34:55That, for whatever reason, both of these boys, at the time they committed that murder, were broken.
35:03Something was broken in them.
35:06At what point do we declare that fixed?
35:11I think what I was involved in when I was 16, and the life that I've lived since, I think,
35:17I hope, is good, better, productive.
35:20It's proof that you can make your way back to normal life.
35:24If you're a normal person, you can put in the work.
35:27Even Tori, I don't know anything about Tori, but I imagine that he probably has redemptive qualities, too.
35:32You know, I don't know, but.
35:35Brian and Tori don't talk.
35:37They never really did.
35:38After they got into prison, they never were in the same.
35:42They kept them separate.
35:43They still do to this day.
35:44They only run into each other in passing.
35:49We're cordial to each other, but it doesn't go much beyond that.
35:56We had one conversation, this was about 10 years ago now.
36:00They didn't want there to be tension, so I stopped one day at the gym and I said,
36:04Tori, and he didn't even recognize me, so he thought I was somebody else.
36:07But we had a conversation about it.
36:09We've had different positions on what has happened, but I think we've basically resolved ourselves
36:18to just accepting responsibility at this point.
36:23The kids we were are gone, and that bond is gone.
36:27That's how I see it.
36:32I would love to have my son have the ability to prove himself worthy.
36:41But at the same time, I will tell you, Cassie will not get a second chance, and that's my
36:48family's fault.
36:49So do I think my son deserves a second chance?
36:54That's really hard.
36:57Without Brian telling us about where the evidence was, we wouldn't have had it, and
37:02the case wouldn't have been as strong.
37:04So at the time, I believed it.
37:06I still believe it now that he probably should have deserved some type of consideration for
37:12his cooperation.
37:15I'm just stuck at that worst decision I made as a teenager, and I'm powerless to change
37:24anything about it.
37:27I think that Tori's come to the acceptance that he's going to spend his life in prison.
37:33After the Supreme Court decision, Idaho did not change the status of any juvenile who had
37:41been given life without parole.
37:43He would have to get a computation by the governor.
37:48That's not going to happen.
37:51I hope that in my lifetime, somebody will look at Tori and see that he is a human being worthy
37:59of a second chance.
38:05I'm a God-fearing person, and I believe that people can be rehabilitated, but when you take
38:14someone so beautiful from this world, you definitely need to pay the price.
38:20When I think of Cassie, I think of a little girl, man.
38:25Like, it sucks.
38:28Because I see little girls here visiting, and I just can't imagine hurting someone like
38:35that, and I did.
38:37There's one part of that nightmare that will never go away, and that's it.
38:41That she's dead.
38:44That's never going to go away.
38:45And that night will never go away.
38:51When I think of Anna Stoddard, and when I think of the loss that she had, and what she's
39:00had to go through, it's like looking through a pane of glass.
39:06But there's a mirror beyond it, and seeing myself, Cassie and Sean's murderers, need to
39:16stay where they are.
39:22I take responsibility for my children.
39:26I raise them.
39:29If anybody could have prevented it, it would have been me, and I didn't.
39:36I would trade my time for the freedom of my son.
39:43If I could walk in there, and he could walk out.
39:45If I could spend the rest of my life in there, I would, in a moment, if he could come
39:52out.
39:56We do not do home movies any longer.
40:00I don't look at the photo albums.
40:03It's just that, that life is no longer there.
40:09Just too much to go and see what was lost.
40:21And I started screaming.
40:23I want my daughter.
40:25I want my daughter.
40:29Because she's dead.
40:31I'm like, no, no.
40:32It's still an open wound.
40:36I can see Anna Stoddard's face.
40:38It's clear as a bell.
40:39I can see Cassie's face.
40:41I can't ever forget any of them.
40:55You ask the question, why are we here?
40:58We shouldn't be here, but we are.
41:01We're going to do our best, and we're going to make the best of it.
41:04But it just seems like just such a waste of so many lives, and at so many levels.
41:14Tori and Brian took such a beautiful soul, beautiful person, that nobody gets to enjoy life with anymore.
41:27My heart hurts so much for her family.
41:32They don't get to see her grow up and start a family of her own.
41:37They took much more than just Cassie Jo Stoddard.
41:41It took a lot of happiness from Folk Teller High School.
41:48I just really want my own children.
41:55I always tell them to choose their friends wisely.
42:38I also tell them to choose one group.
42:38You
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