00:00Atrato
00:05Atrato
00:05I know the Atrato
00:10crystalline
00:11When the river was in dry
00:13the water was green
00:14according to the crystalline
00:16and today
00:19it disappeared
00:20you can't see
00:22the water in dry
00:25because it doesn't explain
00:27The water is
00:32the water
00:33the water
00:33the water
00:34the water
00:42the water
00:43for us
00:46young
00:47boys
00:48in that time
00:49the most
00:51happiness
00:52was
00:53water
00:54water
00:55all day
00:5814
00:5915 times
01:00but since the miner
01:03the joy
01:05the satisfaction
01:06we disappeared
01:08automatically
01:11The Atrato
01:12for the people
01:13is the life
01:13and the sustentance
01:14of the economy
01:15and also the food
01:17the court
01:18after studying the facts
01:20the
01:21RIO
01:22with right
01:23the rights
01:24one is maintenance
01:27the same order
01:30restoration
01:31protection
01:31this is how many
01:33I've been informed
01:33so I have passed
01:34in the day
01:35I'm Alexander Rodriguez
01:40Mena
01:41I'm
01:41Tanguy
01:42I'm
01:43I'm
01:45I'm
01:47of the Río Atrato for the TC22,
01:50who recognizes a Río as a subject of rights,
01:53a Río and his people.
01:54The Constitutional Court
01:55said to the government,
01:57you have been acting,
02:00you have been incurring in some actions
02:02or omissions for a long time,
02:03you are not knowing, you are vulnerating
02:05the rights of life,
02:08the rights of life
02:10to the communities that have been
02:13stigmatized, abandoned.
02:14This sentence marks a precedence,
02:16it is a precedence important
02:18because it has opened the doors
02:20or has motivated
02:22the judges to emit
02:24mistakes and similar situations.
02:27Imagine, here I have 61 years old,
02:30and since I was born
02:32I met my mother and my father mined,
02:34but they were making a mining
02:37artisanal
02:37and they did not harm the environment,
02:41because they did it
02:42with their barra,
02:44their barretons
02:45and their ateas.
02:47Today, when they came
02:48the machines,
02:50there has been a temptation
02:52because not only
02:53the land is destroyed,
02:57but also the land is destroyed.
03:12What do you think
03:16is the most affected
03:18of all the accounts,
03:20of all the taxpayers,
03:21the most affected
03:23by the extraction of money?
03:27The government
03:28sometimes takes their statistics
03:29that they have made
03:3010 or 20 operatives
03:32and they have spent
03:3310,000, 50,000, 100,000
03:35million in those operatives.
03:37And we have always reiterated
03:39that if those 50,000
03:41or 100,000,000
03:42million in those operatives
03:42that they had spent
03:43in the operation
03:44they would have brought
03:45to the social investment,
03:46suddenly the people
03:47wouldn't have allowed
03:48to destroy the territory,
03:49because in the territory
03:50there was a project
03:52that would mark
03:54their future.
03:55Nowadays,
03:57the same land
03:59that they have taken
03:59to the land,
04:00it doesn't hit the
04:02platanum
04:02as it hit,
04:03it doesn't hit the
04:05and I don't know
04:07the people
04:07who will eat
04:09when they don't
04:10get to make
04:10a big deal.
04:11If our farmers
04:12have a life project
04:16in their territory
04:17it wouldn't have happened
04:18what happened
04:19in Rio Quito.
04:20Because I consider
04:21that if the government
04:22generates other
04:22opportunities
04:23of life,
04:24of source of income,
04:26I'm sure
04:27that many people
04:28who today
04:28are going to be
04:29doing other things
04:31important
04:31that also generate
04:33rentability
04:33economic,
04:34that also
04:34can sustain
04:34the family.
04:35But the fish
04:36has done
04:37studies
04:40and it has
04:41much mercury,
04:43because
04:43that is what
04:44they use,
04:45the mercury
04:45as they say,
04:46to separate
04:47the gold
04:48from the water.
04:50And the fish
04:54is one of the
04:55sources
04:56of the
04:56food
04:57of the
04:57strategy.
04:58in the
04:59case of
05:00Rio Quito,
05:00we have
05:00several children
05:02with
05:04malformations.
05:05They are
05:06associating
05:07to
05:08mercury,
05:09but
05:10scientifically
05:10it is not
05:11confirmed.
05:12Mauricio Cabrera
05:13made me
05:13the exam.
05:14I was
05:16in the
05:16legal representation.
05:17And I have
05:18mercury.
05:19And since
05:20that time,
05:20I didn't know
05:23what
05:24the magnitude
05:25of the
05:25mercury
05:26in my
05:26body.
05:26After
05:30the
05:30study
05:32is not
05:33the
05:33implementation route.
05:35There are people
05:35with
05:36extremely
05:37high levels
05:40and today
05:40they don't have
05:41an attention route.
05:42We hope
05:43that the
05:44pronunciation
05:45and the
05:46orders
05:46were more
05:47effective.
05:59The
06:00local authorities
06:02have
06:03made
06:03cases
06:04from
06:05local
06:06government
06:06to
06:06level
06:06of
06:07Co de Chocó.
06:09Es que la gente es desde 2016 y estamos en el 2021 y apenas estamos mirando cómo terminamos un plan
06:16de gestión.
06:17Y ahí es que la gente de Hacienda y la presidencia tiene que lograr garantizar los recursos para el cumplimiento
06:28de esas órdenes.
06:29Están obligados a cumplir. ¿Cuándo lo van a hacer? No sé, pero algún día. Entonces, si en tantos años no
06:35va a avanzar con eso, vamos a poner desacato, vamos a utilizar todas las vías jurídicas que tenemos.
06:41Decir la verdad hoy en día es ponerse ustedes carne de cañón. Pero ya yo tengo los huesos tostados y
06:48siempre lo digo, ah bueno, si termino esta entrevista y saco ahí y me mataron, me mataron por decir la
06:57verdad.
06:58Pregúntame cómo llegué a defenderlo. Lo defiendo desde mis 12 años hacia acá y lo defiendo porque yo sé que
07:08sin recursos naturales, sin territorio no hay vida.
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