00:00Es Michael Moore aquí para ver Charlton Heston.
00:02Ok.
00:23Hola.
00:24¿Qué?
00:25Buenas tardes.
00:30¿Cómo se ha hecho?
00:33¿Cómo se ha hecho?
00:33Gracias por ver el mundo.
00:40¿Cómo se ha hecho?
00:43Gracias por ver el mundo.
00:44He took me out to his pool and tennis house
00:46so we could have a chat.
00:48I told him that I was a lifetime member of the NRA
00:51and showed him my membership card.
00:53Good for you.
00:54Well done.
00:55I assume you have guns in the house here?
00:57Indeed I do.
00:58Uh-huh.
00:59Bad guys take notice
01:01So you have them for protection
01:02Yeah, sure
01:03Have you ever been a victim of crime?
01:06No, no
01:06Never been assaulted
01:09No, no violence toward you
01:11But you have guns in the house
01:13Loaded
01:13Loaded, they're loaded
01:14Well, if you really need a weapon for self-defense
01:18You need it loaded
01:20Okay, but why do you need it for self-defense?
01:23I don't
01:23Yeah, you've never been a victim of crime
01:25You haven't been assaulted here
01:26No, that's true
01:27You know, why would you
01:28So why not
01:29Why don't you unload the gun?
01:32Because
01:34The Second Amendment gives me the right to have it loaded
01:36Oh, I agree
01:37I totally agree with that
01:38But I'm just saying
01:39You know, I mean, the Second Amendment gives me a lot
01:41Let's say it's a comfort factor
01:44You know
01:44It gives you comfort to know that there's a loaded gun
01:46Yeah
01:47Comfort meaning that it allows you to relax and feel safe
01:50Not worry about it
01:51Not worry
01:51Not be afraid
01:52And I'm not really
01:54But I'm exercising one of the rights
01:58Passed on down to me
01:59From those wise old dead white guys
02:01That invented this country
02:02If it was good enough for them
02:04It's good enough for me
02:05But you could still exercise the right
02:07Just by having the gun unloaded and locked away somewhere
02:09I choose to have it
02:11What sort of strikes me as interesting is that
02:13In other countries where they don't have the murder rate
02:16The gun murder rate that we have
02:19That, you know, many people say
02:21Well, that's because they don't have guns around
02:22You can't
02:22It's hard to get a gun in Britain or Germany or whatever
02:26But we went to Canada
02:27And there's 7 million guns in 10 million homes
02:30There won't be very long
02:32But, you know
02:32But hear me out though
02:33Canada is a nation of hunters
02:36Millions of guns
02:37And yet they had just a few murders last year
02:40That's it
02:41Of a country of 30 million people
02:42Now, here's my question
02:43Why is it that they've got all these guns laying around
02:47Yet they don't kill each other
02:49At the level that we kill each other
02:51I think American history is
02:55Has a lot of blood on its hands
02:57Oh, and German history doesn't?
02:58No
02:59In British history?
03:00I don't think as much
03:02Oh, Germans don't have as much blood on their hands?
03:05Ah, they do, yes
03:06The Brits, they ruled the world for 300 years
03:09At the barrel of a gun
03:09They're all violent people
03:11They have bad guys
03:13They have crime
03:14They have lots of guns
03:16Well, it's an interesting point
03:18Which can be explored
03:20And you're good to explore it
03:22At great lengths
03:23But I think that's about all I have to say on it
03:27You don't have any opinion though
03:28As to why that is
03:29That we are the unique country
03:30The only country
03:31That does this
03:32That kills each other
03:33On this level with guns
03:34Well, we have probably more mixed ethnicity than other countries
03:41Some other countries
03:42You think it's an ethnic thing?
03:44No, I don't
03:45It's
03:45I wouldn't go so far as to say that
03:47We have enough trouble
03:48We had enough problems with civil rights in the beginning
03:53But I have no answer
03:56But what do you mean?
03:56You think it's a mixed ethnicity?
03:58I don't understand
04:00You said how is it that so many Americans
04:04Yeah
04:06Kill each other
04:06I don't know that that's true
04:08But even
04:10Well, no, you know that
04:11We know we have the highest murder rate with guns
04:13And it's way higher than any other country
04:15The only answer I can give you
04:16Is the one I already gave you
04:18Which is?
04:19Which is that we have
04:22Historically
04:23A history of violence
04:24Perhaps more than most countries
04:27Not more than Russia
04:28Not more than Japan
04:30Not more than Germany
04:31Not more than Germany
04:32But certainly more than Canada
04:35I come from Flint, Michigan
04:37And last year
04:39A little six-year-old boy
04:40Took a gun into a classroom
04:41And shot and killed a six-year-old girl
04:44And it was really a tragic thing
04:47This was kids though
04:48This was six-year-old
04:49Yeah, did you hear about this?
04:50No
04:50Six-year-old shooting a six-year-old?
04:52No
04:53Well, here's my question though
04:55Is that after that happened
04:56You came to Flint
04:58And held a big rally
05:02And, you know, I just
05:03You started the vice president
05:05Yeah, but did you feel
05:07Did you feel it was being at all insensitive
05:08To the fact that this community
05:10Had just gone through the shooting?
05:11Actually, I wasn't aware of that
05:12At the time we came
05:13We came and did an early morning rally
05:17And went on to wherever we were going
05:20You didn't know at the time
05:21When you were there
05:21That this killing had happened?
05:23Had you known
05:24Would you have not come?
05:25Would I have canceled the
05:26Yeah
05:26I don't
05:29It's hard to say
05:30It wasn't like it was already planned
05:32I mean, the choice to come there
05:33Was made
05:34Yeah
05:34After this horrible killing took place
05:36Yeah
05:36Mm-hmm
05:37You know, had you known that
05:38Would you have come?
05:40I don't know
05:41I have no idea
05:43Maybe not
05:44Yeah
05:45Maybe not
05:46Okay
05:46Thank you
05:47Do you think you'd like to
05:47Just maybe apologize
05:49To the people in Flint
05:50For coming and doing that
05:51At that time?
05:52Or
05:52Do you want me to apologize
05:53Me to apologize
05:54To the people in Flint?
05:56Yeah
05:56Or the people in Columbine
05:57For coming after their horrible tragedy
05:59I mean, why do you go to the places
06:00After they have these horrible tragedies?
06:03You know, I'm a member of your group here
06:05Yeah
06:05Well, I'm afraid we don't agree on that
06:08Do you think it's okay
06:09To just come and show up at these events?
06:13You don't think it's okay?
06:27Oh, Mr. Heston
06:28Just one more thing
06:30This is who she is
06:31Or was
06:33This is her
06:34Mr. Please don't leave
06:36Mr. Heston, please
06:37Take a look at her
06:38This is the girl
06:44Hmm
07:08Thank you
07:15¡Gracias!
07:41¡Gracias!
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