00:00Every time anything happens with Miles, despite multiple protestations from people on the station that they're not going to talk
00:07about Miles and his future in Cleveland, it automatically comes back to, is Miles unhappy?
00:12I thought Todd Munkin answered the questions about Miles and him not being here and his communication with Miles in
00:20every way I could want.
00:21I have been in text, but I haven't met him.
00:24He said, it's fine, it's voluntary, we're making too big of a deal out of this.
00:30And that's everything.
00:32He was honest, they hadn't talked on the phone.
00:34At least he didn't try to lie and say anything like that, but he's like, we've texted.
00:37Okay, so you've texted, I don't know what else I need.
00:40And honestly, he's like, I want him here, but it's voluntary and I get it.
00:44Like, okay, that's what an answer actually should do from an NFL head coach, by the way.
00:50I guess maybe the idea that he was very insistent that it didn't bother him, maybe he went to that
00:54a little bit too much.
00:56I think it's because he's heard everything that's been said about it because Miles came into Cleveland for a playoff
01:02game and then left again and people acted like he was like, he Fredo'd Todd Munkin.
01:06I know, but you know what I'm getting at, where if all of a sudden someone's like, I'm not bothered
01:09by it.
01:10No, really, I'm not bothered.
01:11Guys, I'm telling you, I'm not bothered by it.
01:13It's like, well, all right.
01:14Well, I mean, I think we heard you the first time.
01:15I don't think he's bothered by it.
01:17I feel like if Todd Munkin was bothered by it, I think he would be.
01:20He sounded bothered in the very first press conference we heard from him, what was that, a few weeks back?
01:25Not the very first one, not the introductory press conference, but the very first one we started talking about this.
01:29I will tell you.
01:31But I like that they texted.
01:31That's what I cared about.
01:33I like that they've at least had contact.
01:34The thing that stinks about this is I wasn't on air that week, but I did listen to the press
01:38conference.
01:38I thought he was more annoyed with the questioning.
01:41And I thought that's kind of what I heard echoed in this of like, guys, why the hell are we
01:45still talking about this?
01:45It's voluntary.
01:46It's his choice.
01:47Not that first day.
01:48For me, that was different.
01:49That one he felt like he was – at that point, too, if he had texted at that point, wouldn't
01:54he have said we've texted?
01:55So clearly at some point between then and now, they've texted.
01:59They've understood that they have to – what are you smiling for?
02:01I'm just not doing the tinfoil cap with Miles and Todd Munkin.
02:04Oh, it's true, though, right?
02:04Because he would have – he's so honest about everything.
02:06He's the truth broker, right?
02:07He's so honest about everything.
02:08Maybe he omitted it the first time because he didn't think it was important.
02:10No, he would have told us that they texted the first time if they had texted the first time.
02:13Like, clearly, whether it was Miles or whether that was Munkin, maybe that was Munkin himself.
02:17Now, here's where we're really into the tinfoil hat.
02:20Who texted who in this relationship?
02:22Did Munkin have to text Miles so that there's some sort of communication?
02:26I don't give a rest-ass who texted who.
02:27So there's some sort of, like, olive branch?
02:30Did Miles leave Munkin on red?
02:31I don't know.
02:32I don't know.
02:322-1-6-4-7-4-0-9-2.
02:34How many whys did he put at the end of hey?
02:36Oh, a one-sided text message conversation.
02:39That's even worse.
02:40Could you imagine?
02:41And then Munkin, again, there's a generational difference here.
02:44Munkin texting Miles thinking he's in Japan saying,
02:47You up?
02:47And Miles taking that the wrong way.
02:48Oh, my God.
02:49What's going on now?
02:50Or just like a peacock gift or something.
02:51Like it's me and Fanta.
02:52That's true.
02:53I don't know.
02:54But, no, I like that they've at least had correspondence.
02:56I'm not bothered by the situation in the slightest bit.
02:58It is what it is.
03:00He did go a little hard, I thought, in the insistence that he wasn't bothered
03:04to the point that made me question if he actually was.
03:06Because he was definitely bothered two and a half weeks ago.
03:08I consider the matter closed.
03:10I'm now, for all of sports talk, I'm going to do this for Browns fans.
03:14Okay, then.
03:14I'm now considering the matter closed on voluntary minicamps with Miles Carey.
03:20And we'll reopen it when the mandatory portion comes around.
03:23You mean when Miles shows up because there's money attached to it?
03:26There's money attached to the million-dollar bonus,
03:29as Mike Forio has the contract details set out.
03:32So, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
03:34Well, I don't know that Miles is beholden for the million-dollar bonus.
03:38I think he's going to get his money.
03:40I think he'll be fine.
03:41He's got to hit 82% of them.
03:42He doesn't have to hit 100% of the workouts.
03:44He has to hit 82% of them.
03:45I think he's got guys to do the math for.
03:46He can miss 18% of them.
03:48I consider the matter closed.
03:51Okay.
03:52Do you?
03:53No.
03:55No, I don't.
03:55I'm now closing the matter for you.
03:57Okay, thank you.
03:58Mac, I don't know how you feel.
04:00I'm considering the matter closed for you as well.
04:03All fines forgiven.
04:04And now we move forward as a family.
04:07Oh, by the way.
04:07I reject the closing of the door or the book or whatever you were closing there.
04:10I'm now going to sign it into legislative power.
04:13I want to open it up even more.
04:14With my presidential pen and make executive order.
04:16I want to go further with it, though.
04:18I want to open it.
04:19And by the way, I bet your ass this thing is going to be in the lead at 5 o
04:22'clock.
04:22So it's going to come up again.
04:24You don't want to be that show.
04:25I will reclose the files.
04:26You don't want to be that show that says we're never talking about this again.
04:28I'm done with this again.
04:29We're not releasing the Garrett files.
04:30And then you do it for the next week and a half.
04:32Nope.
04:33Talking about the topic you said you wouldn't talk about anymore.
04:35I will start wars in Iran if we just do not drop the Garrett files.
04:39I will do it.
04:40Is Jake just going to leave this out of the lead?
04:42I don't know.
04:43Biggest story of the day in the Browns world?
04:45Is that just not going to make the lead, the segment we do at 5 o'clock?
04:49Also.
04:50Kicks people off and they're in their drive home.
04:53They want to know what happened throughout the day.
04:54You're just going to leave that out?
04:56Oh, this matter is still open.
04:57And then I'll close it.
04:58Also, the juice.
05:00That was like the first five minutes was Todd Munkin talking about the juice when it comes
05:07to the Browns quarterbacks.
05:09It's different routes to getting there, but most head coaches do sound like Tony Robbins
05:12a lot of the time.
05:13And Jador Sanders kind of sounds like Tony Robbins as a quarterback.
05:15You know, like he's just a, he's got that inspirational mindset to him.
05:18And so there's a lot to believe.
05:20I just, I'm happy that his takeaway is how I've looked at this whole entire thing, the
05:24entire stretch, which is if he does his own job, he'll be fine.
05:27He'll be taken care of.
05:28It would be very hard for me if I was in his spot to believe anything in anyone, but I'm
05:32happy that he at least appears to.
05:33I feel like he might be able to believe Munkin.
05:37Like, let me put it this way.
05:38Munkin might, there's no coach can be a hundred percent honest with everyone because it's not
05:44just your decision.
05:45It, it, on almost every organization, it is a, a quorum, even if, even if you have the
05:50final say, he's wearing golden handcuffs in the entire operation.
05:53But I, I feel like if, and this is where I will tie it, Munkin versus Kevin, I don't
05:59know that Shador felt like he got an honest shake last year and, and, and I, whether that's
06:04Kevin, whether that's organization dynamics, whether that's how Kevin presents information,
06:09I don't think Shador is going to be able to say that at the end of this season, whether
06:12he gets the job, doesn't get the job, plays well, doesn't play well.
06:15Well, and that's kind of the point is that last year, there's no way Shador felt that
06:18he was, uh, Hey, just do my job and I'll be taken care of.
06:21Uh, because we watched him, we watched him in training camp and he had all sorts of great
06:24sessions and it didn't seem like it mattered at all.
06:27At least now he feels like if he just performs, if he does his gig, he'll be taken care of.
06:31And like, that's, that's at least a good spot.
06:33Again, it might not matter at the end of the day, if Jimmy Haslam might come down and say,
06:36I paid to Sean Watson, this amount of money, he's going to be the starter week one.
06:40And that would absolutely suck.
06:41But I agree with the sentiment.
06:42It does feel like Munkin's being honest and it feels like Shador has taken that to heart
06:46and he understands he's got a job to do.
06:47And if he wants to start week one, he just has to be better than to Sean Watson and Dylan
06:50Gabriel.
06:51So we've already talked about Shador saying Munkin spoke life into him.
06:55And I think, again, that just speaks to, I think they speak the same language, which
06:59is critical from an offensive head coach and one of the three quarterbacks.
07:03No, no matter the same language as Katie Pollack too, by the way.
07:07Oh yeah.
07:07Yeah.
07:07Big six, 6 p.m. dance vibe.
07:10Yeah.
07:10She was like, she's like, Oh, I really like what he's saying.
07:12I really, I'm vibing with this.
07:13And it's like, that's a thing, like for a lot of people, uh, like if you haven't heard
07:18much of Shador and Katie's heard Shador, obviously, but like, like there is a different energy
07:22that he brings to these types of conversations and a different perspective that he brings
07:26that it does.
07:26It's captivating for a lot of reasons.
07:28So we also heard Shador talk about, uh, you know, time in the playbook, what he's liking
07:32about the new playbook.
07:34We'll get to some of that, but here's a, here's one of the first answers we got on why he
07:37spent
07:38so much time in Cleveland.
07:39This is the most important thing I have to do in my life.
07:41I have a house here.
07:42I'm comfortable.
07:43I wanted to take everything to the next level within myself.
07:47I know it's some things that, uh, I wanted to like improve and I took a lot of time to
07:52like self-reflect and just view, view a lot of things just from a different perspective.
07:56Honestly, I think I covered a lot of ground with that.
08:00So I think it's interesting.
08:02I actually think one thing we probably haven't talked enough about, you know, Jimmy Haslam said
08:06what he said about Shador taking advantage of this and what it means to be a pro and
08:10learning to be a pro and all that.
08:12Um, if you're looking for the signs that the Browns have told Shador the roadmap to win
08:17the job, I think we've heard enough from Jimmy, from Todd, from Andrew Barry.
08:22And if you're, if you're wondering whether Shador has taken that again, we can only go
08:27by what we see and what we hear.
08:28I think the amount that Shador spent in Cleveland this off season is a nice sign that he heard
08:34that message and I think that only can help his chances at taking this job.
08:38So I don't know if it was as much about like the off season message as this was just always
08:42going to be his mentality as evidenced by what he was saying before he even played the Raiders
08:46game.
08:46You know, he's like, Oh, imagine what it would be if I had a whole off season to train a
08:50whole off season to do this.
08:51Like, I just think this is how he's always thought this was going to eventually go down.
08:54And, but now he's got his chance.
08:55Like he's got his opportunity.
08:57He's got to take advantage of it.
08:58I will give a Shador credit.
09:00Uh, one, you and I have both said you're a true supporter.
09:04I have always been, I will say I've said Shador, uh, she's Switzerland.
09:09I feel like I've been just sympathetic, right?
09:13I like, I have, like, I have a lot.
09:14I like the kid.
09:16Uh, but like, I, I do think if the Browns are going to upset the apple cart this year,
09:22that's the end.
09:22Like there was something about Deshaun and I'm not trying to turn it into Shador versus
09:26Deshaun, but it's how it's going to come out Deshaun from the second he got here has
09:31been a little bit of a, a downer.
09:34He's been a Debbie downer to be around.
09:36And there's, there's a lot of reasons why that is.
09:38I understand that he was in a situation, uh, most will say of his own making, but that
09:43no one can really kind of empathize with and understand, but that I, I, that energy has
09:50been a weight on the Cleveland Browns.
09:53It's hard not to root for Shador when you hear the good energy.
09:56Like it really is.
09:57It's hard not to be excited about football in, in April when you hear what Shador says,
10:02whether it has any bearing on the starting job or not over the next three months.
10:06Just think about it.
10:07Like to that point right there.
10:08And I, I've, I mean, I always think Deshaun just kind of just brings the mood down anywhere
10:10he goes anyway, but like, uh, even at the Cavs game last night, I'm like, oh, Deshaun
10:14had to be there.
10:15Okay, fine.
10:16Even Saudi Arabia.
10:17Well, he might be, he might be a vibe over there.
10:19I'm not entirely sure.
10:21Maybe that's why he goes so often.
10:22Uh, but like, I think it's the money.
10:25Yeah, maybe.
10:25Uh, but like even today though, so Shador speaks, Dylan Gabriel is going to speak.
10:30We're not going to hear from Deshaun.
10:31Yep.
10:32Deshaun's not speaking.
10:33Now maybe somebody can give me some insight as to why that is.
10:34Was that a Browns call?
10:35Was that a, a Deshaun call?
10:37I really don't know, but I know the time that he's been here, uh, this has been a recurring
10:41theme after he has struggles and is gone.
10:43And it's like, all right, well, are we, are we going to hear from him tomorrow?
10:46Is that the plan?
10:47Like, is there, is there, why on the day that all the quarterbacks are speaking, are we not
10:50hearing from Deshaun Watson?
10:51Let's do it.
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