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00:00Let's welcome in Nathan Zagura.
00:01Join us on the Make It Right.
00:03Call Kyle Wright Hotline.
00:04Nathan, it is an honor and a pleasure to be joined by you today.
00:09Just less than a week out.
00:10Nathan, a week out, I should just cut right to the chase.
00:14At number six overall, if the Browns had their choice,
00:17if you could have anybody you wanted,
00:20maybe without Fernando Mendoza,
00:22who would you run up to the stage to take?
00:26I personally, well, first of all,
00:27it's an honor to be with you guys on this glorious Friday,
00:30less than a week out from the draft.
00:31As you said, I would run up to the stage
00:33and I would take Carnell Tate.
00:35I'm a big weapons guy.
00:36I've said that for a long, long time.
00:39I'm weapons, weapons, weapons.
00:40I think we need people that help us score the football.
00:42I think that helps your quarterbacks.
00:44I think it makes everybody else on the team better.
00:45And I think Carnell Tate,
00:47when you look at him from an efficiency standpoint last year,
00:49great route runner, averaged 17 yards a catch.
00:52So definitely the speed I'm not as worried about
00:54as maybe some other people.
00:55I think he plays faster.
00:56You saw him with his ability to get deep.
00:58And he's got sure hands, doesn't drop the football.
01:02I think he's everything that whoever it is
01:04that quarterback for the Cleveland Browns this year needs.
01:06I think he makes our team better.
01:08And I think it addresses probably the biggest need
01:11on this team, which are playmakers
01:13who can put the football into the end zone.
01:15We just had a caller, Nathan,
01:16who brought up Arvel Reese and or Sonny Stiles
01:20saying, you know, the Browns never show their hand.
01:23They always zig when everybody zags.
01:24What are the chances you take either one of those guys
01:27from the defense of Ohio State?
01:30I'd be surprised.
01:31But at the same time, I really think the whole goal here
01:35is let's say Carnell Tate's off the board at five, right?
01:37Let's say the Giants take Carnell Tate.
01:39To me, this pick has got to be about getting somebody
01:42that is a surefire stud.
01:44You talk to anybody in the league and, you know,
01:46we had Lance Zerline on yesterday on Browns Daily.
01:49He thinks Arvel Reese is likely to be, you know,
01:51the best player in this draft.
01:53He also likes a man, Soar Delaney, the corner out of LSU.
01:56If you were to take Stiles there, if you were to take Caleb Downs,
01:59I don't think anybody would have a problem
02:00with a high ceiling, a floor prospect like that.
02:03Now, I think obviously our biggest needs are on offense,
02:06and we know that offense has the biggest correlation
02:08between playoff success and getting to the playoffs
02:11in the National Football League.
02:12So that's where I'd want the Browns to go.
02:14But would I be shocked?
02:15No.
02:15I think the consensus is, you know,
02:17six is too early for a tackle in this draft,
02:19and I think a lot of people think the top-rated
02:22quote-unquote tackles, Maui Noah or Fano,
02:24are actually guards in the NFL.
02:27And so Monroe Freeling, probably the best pure tackle prospect,
02:31is six a little rich for somebody who is a prospect
02:33and a project.
02:35Perhaps I think we'll have to see how that plays out.
02:37But I wouldn't be surprised, honestly, by anything.
02:40I mean, if you had told me last year
02:41that the Browns' two first picks in the draft
02:44were going to be on a three-technique
02:45and an off-ball linebacker,
02:46much as Andrew Berry said yesterday,
02:48I'd have been shocked.
02:49And then your next pick was a running back.
02:50That would have been very surprising to me.
02:52But that's how it went last year.
02:54So I don't think you can rule anything out.
02:55I do think it's pretty straightforward to me
02:59if Carnell Tate's on the board at six
03:01that you just go run up there, you get him,
03:02you address your biggest need with the consensus,
03:05best receiver prospect in this draft.
03:07Nathan, I totally agree, and usually I don't.
03:09You know, we usually make fun of each other.
03:11Well, you know, we usually make fun of each other.
03:13I like offensive linemen,
03:15and I make fun of you for loving every wide receiver
03:16that's ever played the position.
03:18But, you know, with the way this draft goes,
03:20like I've heard some people,
03:21Peter Schrager said it earlier this week,
03:23like, man, by the time you get to 24,
03:25there's going to be no wide receivers
03:26that you think are first-round guys left.
03:27So you take Monroe Freeling,
03:30and then you try to maybe force it with a wide receiver,
03:33you could be looking disaster right in the eye.
03:35And I'm thinking, I want solid,
03:36and I want a playmaker.
03:37So let's go get Carnell Tate at number six,
03:39and then we'll talk offensive linemen at number 24.
03:42It'd be a tough sell to the fans,
03:44but maybe that offensive lineman at 24,
03:46depending on if he's the right investment,
03:49maybe he doesn't necessarily have to start week one.
03:53And I really don't think it is that tough of a sell to the fans,
03:56at least in my informal straw polls
03:57whenever I'm out and about in the city
03:59and everybody's talking to me,
04:00I think people would be very thrilled
04:02getting Carnell Tate at six.
04:03In fact, I'd say that's kind of the consensus.
04:04I hear him.
04:05I hear Caleb Downs a lot.
04:07Those are the two guys that I think people want
04:08at six for the Cleveland Browns.
04:10I don't think anybody would have a problem with Sonny Stiles.
04:11The guy is an absolute freak.
04:13I mean, he's like Kyle Hamilton,
04:14but 20 pounds bigger,
04:15but at every bit as athletic.
04:17And I think he could be your third safety.
04:18I think he would be a tremendous pick
04:20for the Browns at that spot.
04:21But, you know,
04:22when you look at the tackle position,
04:24you know,
04:24we had Joe Thomas on.
04:25I've talked to,
04:26obviously talked to the Hoff all the time.
04:27And he said,
04:28look,
04:29offensive linemen are like bodyguards.
04:32And you want,
04:33they're expensive bodyguards.
04:34And you really only want
04:35a really expensive bodyguard
04:36when you are the number one act in the world, right?
04:39Well,
04:39if you're a garage band,
04:40you don't necessarily need
04:42the most expensive bodyguards.
04:43So he kind of thinks,
04:44let's build the band
04:45and then we'll try to get some help on the line.
04:48And you kind of look at what the Bears did.
04:49The Bears got help in free agency
04:51last year on the offensive line.
04:53Guess what?
04:54So did the Browns.
04:55The Browns have addressed a lot of the things
04:56on their offensive line.
04:58I've talked with DeJuan Jones
04:59and I know that from an injury standpoint,
05:00he hasn't proven his ability to play full season.
05:02Very motivated.
05:03He's in great shape
05:03that you could bring somebody in here
05:06and still buttress the position.
05:07You're still taking an early offensive lineman.
05:09And by the way,
05:09I would love if you said
05:10Carnell tape Blake Miller to me
05:11after day one,
05:13I'd be thrilled for the Cleveland Browns.
05:14I think that'd be a great way to start this draft.
05:16But I think that you have a,
05:18I think you've got a real opportunity here.
05:21Kenny's day,
05:21Nathan.
05:22I'm good.
05:22I like him.
05:23I'm obviously a local kid.
05:24All of that tough,
05:25long arms fits the position,
05:28fits I think everything
05:28that you'd be looking for there.
05:30Now,
05:30Lance Deerlein thinks,
05:31Kenny,
05:31if the Browns want Blake Miller,
05:33they've got to get ahead of Philadelphia.
05:34He said Philly sees him
05:36as the Lane Johnson replacement there
05:38and that he'd be absolutely shocked
05:40from what he's heard
05:40if he gets past Philadelphia,
05:41which I believe is 23 right in front of us.
05:43But he said that the Steelers
05:44would absolutely be willing
05:45to move out at 21.
05:46But that's neither here nor there.
05:47The point is,
05:48I think that,
05:50I think people would be just fine
05:52go ahead and get a receiver.
05:54Nathan,
05:54I'm sorry.
05:55I'm sorry.
05:55I'm sorry.
05:56So we would have to trade
05:57with the Steelers to 21
05:58to go get Blake Miller?
06:00Not necessarily trade
06:02with the Steelers.
06:02You just have to get ahead
06:03of Philadelphia.
06:04I mean,
06:04there'd be many options there.
06:06Again,
06:07this is what Lance Deerlein
06:08said to us yesterday
06:09on Browns Daily.
06:10I don't know if that's true,
06:11but he's usually very,
06:12number one,
06:12he's very plugged in
06:13on the offensive line.
06:15He knows what he's doing
06:16and what he's talking about
06:16and pretty plugged in
06:17around the league.
06:18And he had that one
06:19pretty like in stone
06:21because I said,
06:21oh,
06:21I said to you exactly
06:22what I said to you guys.
06:23You know,
06:24I love Tate and Blake Miller.
06:25He's like,
06:25well,
06:25you better get ahead
06:25of Philadelphia.
06:26Philadelphia's taking
06:27Blake Miller.
06:27I said,
06:28oh,
06:28okay.
06:28All right,
06:29Nathan,
06:29you said weapons,
06:30weapons,
06:30weapons,
06:31and there's been
06:32a lot of speculation
06:33on somebody like Jeremiah Love
06:35and the comparisons
06:36have been coming in.
06:37All of a sudden,
06:37he's Marshall Falk.
06:39So,
06:39man,
06:40I remember watching
06:41Marshall Falk in college
06:42and like there was no debate
06:43about his production.
06:44There have been now
06:46some people,
06:46some anti-love people
06:48coming out and saying,
06:49well,
06:49look at actually
06:49against the best teams
06:50he went up against.
06:51He struggled now.
06:52Is that more on the offensive line
06:54having issues in those games
06:56like against Miami?
06:57Who knows?
06:58But do you have a take
07:00on a running back,
07:01especially after you just
07:02took a running back,
07:03actually two running backs
07:04last year and one pretty high,
07:06especially on a team
07:06that hasn't won
07:07a lot of football games?
07:08Yes,
07:09I do.
07:09I don't think that it would be
07:11the best allocation
07:12of our resources
07:13to put that much investment
07:15into that position.
07:16And by the way,
07:17I happen to think
07:17Quinchon Jenkins is really good.
07:19I happen to think
07:19Dylan Sampson can be very good.
07:21And I think the Browns
07:22are actually in a great spot
07:24at that position,
07:24given that you got two guys
07:25on rookie contracts,
07:26you know,
07:27for the next three seasons.
07:28So that wouldn't be
07:29a priority for me at all.
07:32I feel very good
07:33about what the Browns
07:34have at the running back spot.
07:35Jeremiah Love,
07:36I think,
07:36is a very interesting prospect.
07:37And I think he is kind of
07:39somebody that were the Browns
07:40to move out of six.
07:41I think that's somebody
07:42that,
07:42you know,
07:43teams might look to come up
07:44and try to get.
07:46So,
07:46yeah,
07:47I think the Browns
07:48are good there.
07:48And I want to just finish.
07:49I was rambling a little bit.
07:50I'm sorry,
07:51Nathan,
07:51I cut you off.
07:52I apologize.
07:52That's right.
07:52On the Bears was this,
07:53that they got some help
07:54in free agency
07:55on the offensive line.
07:56And then what did they,
07:57what were their first
07:57two draft picks last year?
07:58They drafted Colston Loveland
07:59and they drafted Luther Burden,
08:01even though they drafted
08:02Roma Doomsday the year before,
08:03even though they had
08:03D.J. Moore
08:04and quite frankly
08:05with Colston Loveland,
08:05even though they had
08:06Cole Komet.
08:06And look at how that offense
08:08really took off.
08:08So,
08:09I liked weapons.
08:10And of course,
08:10you'd say,
08:10well,
08:10yeah,
08:10they have Caleb Williams
08:11number one overall pick.
08:12Absolutely.
08:13But they surrounded him
08:14with the best supporting
08:14cast possible.
08:15And you saw him really
08:16progress with Ben Johnson.
08:18Todd Munkin's a great
08:18offensive coach.
08:19You got Deshaun Watson here.
08:21You've got Shador Sanders.
08:22You have got Dylan Gabriel.
08:23Surround them with the best weapons.
08:24And I understand a running back
08:26and Jeremiah Love is very,
08:29really good.
08:30And last year,
08:31when he got to this line
08:32of scrimmage,
08:33he was before taking contact
08:34was one of the best
08:34running backs in the NFL.
08:36Unfortunately,
08:36it didn't happen
08:37very often last year.
08:38He was hit behind
08:39line of scrimmage
08:39over 50% of his carries.
08:41And that's why
08:41they're addressing
08:42the offensive line.
08:43And hopefully this year
08:43with Zion Johnson
08:44and Titus Howard
08:45and Jenkins,
08:46all the guys they brought in,
08:47that that's going to change
08:48things for the Cleveland Browns.
08:50Nathan Zagura
08:51joining us right now.
08:52So overall,
08:53when you start to look at
08:54how this offseason
08:55has come together,
08:56we had a big discussion
08:58earlier about Todd Munkin
08:59and whether or not
09:01he could throw around
09:02his weight
09:02when it comes to the draft room.
09:04Do you think it'll be
09:05any different from the way
09:06that they collaborated
09:07with Kevin Stefanski?
09:09Or is this,
09:10you know,
09:10a fresh perspective
09:11that could persuade
09:13Andrew Barry
09:14into making selections?
09:16I think it's always
09:17a collaboration.
09:17And I think you look
09:18at some of the picks.
09:19I know some of the guys
09:20that, you know,
09:20we've selected
09:21over the past few years,
09:22the guys that Kevin Stefanski
09:23was a huge fan of.
09:25So obviously the coach
09:25does have some input.
09:27And I would expect that
09:27to be no different
09:28with Todd Munkin
09:29because he's bringing in
09:30and he's looking for,
09:32he's not necessarily
09:33looking for certain
09:34types of players
09:35to fit a very specific scheme.
09:36What he's looking for
09:37are certain skill sets
09:38that he thinks
09:38he can exploit
09:40regardless of necessarily
09:41the type of scheme
09:42that he puts in.
09:42So I would expect that,
09:43yes,
09:44he's going to have
09:44input on this
09:45and especially on the guys
09:46on the offensive side
09:47of the ball
09:48because I think he knows
09:49exactly what it is.
09:49He always tells the story
09:51of, you know,
09:51one of the years
09:52in the draft there
09:52in Baltimore
09:53and they were debating
09:55about which receiver
09:56to take him.
09:56Well, this one's got this
09:57and this one's got that
09:58and he said Ozzie Newsome
09:59was sitting, you know,
10:00kind of in the draft room
10:01listening to discussion
10:02and at the end of the day
10:03Ozzie Newsome said,
10:04why don't we just take
10:05the best football player?
10:07And they said,
10:09yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
10:10That's a pretty simple
10:10cut to the chase.
10:11They end up drafting
10:12Zay Flowers
10:12who's become the first
10:13Pro Bowl wide receiver
10:14in Ravens history.
10:15So I think that you're going
10:16to get a little bit
10:17of that from him
10:17but I think that, yes,
10:19he will certainly have input
10:20and I think it'll be
10:20a very good thing
10:21for him to have some input
10:22on the offensive side
10:23of the ball.
10:23Nathan Zagura
10:24joining us here
10:25on the show.
10:26Wonderful as always.
10:27By the way,
10:28do you agree with me
10:28that a little bit here
10:29over the last few years,
10:31maybe you're not willing
10:32to say it,
10:33I'm going to be willing
10:33to say it because,
10:34you know,
10:34maybe your word
10:35would go further than me.
10:36You're one in the building
10:37every day.
10:38You think Eric DaCosta,
10:40you think he lives off
10:41of Ozzie Newsome's
10:43reputation a little bit?
10:45But, that's, I mean,
10:46that's, those are
10:47the Baltimore Ravens.
10:48I'm not, I have no
10:49necessarily a comment
10:50or real opinion on that.
10:52Oh, Senator Zagura,
10:54please.
10:55Listen, I think that
10:56they are, they're in a,
10:58on a hot seat situation,
11:00right?
11:00They have a lot of talent.
11:01They did not win.
11:02So I think that, you know,
11:03he will certainly be scrutinized
11:05but he has made some good picks
11:07while he's been there.
11:08They have drafted guys
11:09that I think are pretty
11:10darn talented.
11:11Now you could say,
11:11based on the story
11:12I just told,
11:12that Ozzie Newsome's influence
11:14is still being felt.
11:15I think whatever happened
11:16with the Max Crosby situation
11:18certainly still has my eyebrows
11:20raised up very, very high
11:21and we'll see how that
11:22ultimately plays out
11:23for all involved.
11:24But, you know, we'll see.
11:25We'll see.
11:25The Ravens are going to be
11:26a Super Bowl favorite again
11:27or at least a division favorite again
11:29and I think there's a lot of pressure
11:30on them to deliver.
11:31Six days away.
11:32I know we'll talk to you
11:34probably next week
11:35but we'll already be
11:36through the first round.
11:38One, do you think
11:39that we could be talking
11:40about Ty Simpson
11:41next Friday morning
11:42still being available?
11:43Two, do you think
11:45that there's a possibility
11:46the Browns
11:47and maybe day three
11:48bring another quarterback
11:48into the fold?
11:50So, Ty Simpson,
11:51I do think it is possible.
11:53I've heard very mixed things
11:54in terms of, you know,
11:56kind of the draft people
11:57that we've had on the show
11:58or on opinions in the league.
11:59Again, it only takes one, right?
12:01It takes one Burt team
12:02to fall in love
12:03and he's not available
12:04on day two
12:04but it wouldn't shock me
12:06if he went in the top 15
12:08and it would not shock me
12:09if he went in the second round.
12:10So, I think there are
12:11very widely held opinions
12:14on him
12:15because the sample size
12:16is pretty small.
12:16There were good things early
12:18then he was dinged up
12:18and it wasn't as good late.
12:20So, no, I wouldn't be surprised
12:21either way.
12:22Do I think the Browns
12:22could draft a quarterback?
12:23I do.
12:24Would I be surprised
12:25if they did not?
12:26Not at all.
12:27But I think if, you know,
12:28if somebody,
12:29I know that the Browns
12:30like Drew Aller
12:31and I think you'd be looking
12:32for somebody who's toolsy
12:33that you hope
12:34that you can develop
12:36and has basically
12:37everything that it takes
12:38to be a starter
12:39from size, arm, strength, talent,
12:40all of those things.
12:41So, could a Drew Aller
12:43find his way here?
12:43Could a Carson Beck
12:44that, you know,
12:45Todd Munkin obviously
12:46would have some familiarity with?
12:48Could he make his way here?
12:49I think all those things
12:50are possible.
12:51We'll see just ultimately
12:52how it plays out.
12:53But I wouldn't be surprised
12:53if the Browns did
12:54have a quarterback,
12:55you know,
12:55in the,
12:56it'd keep taking a swing,
12:57you know,
12:57every year,
12:57another bite at the apple
12:58there to see
12:59if they can find somebody.
13:01Hey, what do you think
13:03overall of Fernando Mendoza
13:04is at number one.
13:05Love getting your take
13:06on the rest of the NFL
13:07and it's so funny here
13:08as we get closer.
13:09His game's getting
13:10more and more scrutinized.
13:11People are starting
13:12to really ask some
13:14deep-seated questions.
13:16He's not under center ever.
13:17Of course,
13:18so many college quarterbacks
13:19aren't.
13:19How that,
13:20how he's going to adapt
13:20to that in the NFL?
13:23So, it's interesting.
13:24I think that he's
13:25obviously very good
13:26and a lot of the things
13:27I hear are Kirk Cousins,
13:28Kirk Cousins,
13:29Kirk Cousins,
13:30and now Kirk Cousins
13:31from a money-making standpoint
13:32has been as successful
13:33as anybody.
13:33So, I think that bodes
13:34well for Fernando Mendoza.
13:36But, you know,
13:37Kirk Cousins hasn't
13:37necessarily elevated
13:38his team to the highest
13:39of levels yet.
13:40He's been a very,
13:41very good quarterback.
13:42He seems like,
13:42by all accounts,
13:43a tremendous guy
13:44on that quarterback show.
13:45I love watching him.
13:45He's just a very good dude.
13:47Fernando Mendoza
13:48seems to have a lot
13:49of those similarities
13:49on and off of the field.
13:51It's a premium position.
13:53You gotta go number one.
13:54I mean,
13:54the thing that's funny
13:55is you think about
13:56even how much
13:56it's changed
13:57in the last few years, right?
13:58Justin Herbert went sixth,
13:59I think,
13:59in his draft.
14:00Fifth or sixth.
14:00If Justin Herbert
14:01would be so the number
14:03one pick in this draft,
14:05it wouldn't be funny.
14:06So, I don't know.
14:07I think Mendoza's
14:08a very good player.
14:09Is he great?
14:10We'll see.
14:11We'll see.
14:12I think he's going
14:12to a spot where
14:13they've made a lot
14:13of investment there.
14:14He's gonna have
14:15Kirk Cousins,
14:16ironically enough,
14:17to learn from
14:18and grow with.
14:18He's gonna have
14:19Tom Brady there.
14:20So, I think he's
14:21in a pretty good
14:22what I would call
14:22quarterback incubator.
14:24The question is,
14:25you know,
14:25what is his top,
14:26like,
14:27what is his ceiling?
14:28Can he be
14:29a top eight
14:30quarterback in the NFL?
14:31Can he be a top
14:3215 quarterback
14:32in the NFL?
14:33And if he is,
14:34then obviously
14:34you've got a chance
14:35week in and week out
14:36and a chance to,
14:36you know,
14:37host a Lombardi trophy
14:37at the end of the season.
14:39The incredible Nathan Zagura.
14:41He is the color commentator.
14:42He is the analyst
14:43of the Browns Radio.
14:44What are you laughing
14:44about that for?
14:45What are you laughing?
14:46That's fine.
14:46Very kind of you,
14:47Mom.
14:49I say nice things.
14:50You just laugh.
14:51You see how that is?
14:52All right, Nathan.
14:53Thank you so much.
14:53We'll talk to you again
14:54next Friday.
14:55You got it, guys.
14:56Hopefully it's a good week
14:58for the Cleveland Browns.
14:59We've got a voluntary
14:59veteran minicamp
15:00leading right into the draft.
15:02Time to get some new players
15:03and hopefully when we're
15:03talking Friday,
15:04everybody's fired up
15:05after what the Browns
15:05did in the first round
15:06and hopefully it's you
15:07and I doing a little
15:08dance and a hug
15:08if the Carnell Tate-Blake-Miller
15:10combo comes through.
15:11Oh, I'll be excited.
15:12You know me.
15:13Nathan, thank you.
15:13I'll be quite excited.
15:15Great Nathan Zagura
15:17on the Make It Right
15:18called Kyle Wright Hotline.
15:19Did you like what he said
15:20about the quarterback situation?
15:21Well, not just the quarterback situation.
15:23Blake Miller is Blake Miller
15:25and I want to play that audio
15:26from our Souser station,
15:28WIP over there in Philadelphia
15:30coming up here momentarily.
15:32But also,
15:33did you like what he had to say?
15:34Not just about Blake Miller,
15:36not just about Carnell Tate,
15:37but about the entire,
15:38like what the Browns plan
15:39of attack is?
15:40Because I think that this
15:41is the closest thing
15:42to in a weird draft
15:43to keep away from
15:45a disaster scenario
15:46in the first round
15:47to where we're not
15:48putting a picture up
15:49of like the Trent Richardson,
15:51Brandon Whedon picture.
15:51Well, it was interesting.
15:52He said weapons, weapons, weapons,
15:54but then he scoffed
15:55at the notion
15:55of taking a running back.
15:57So, despite the fact
15:58that that running back
15:59also is going to be
16:01put in the slot,
16:01a bunch.
16:02At first, you're going to want
16:02to put that guy
16:03in the backfield.
16:04You know, I don't want
16:05to turn, you know,
16:06I don't want to turn him into,
16:07I don't mean to cut you off
16:08on this situation,
16:09but I don't want to turn him
16:09into an only offense
16:10Travis Hunter.
16:12Where we go,
16:12well, where does he go?
16:13Do you want him
16:14at wide receiver more?
16:15Do you want him
16:15at running back more?
16:16What do you want him to,
16:17like, it's easier
16:18to have all the plays.
16:18I get that,
16:19but it can be a little bit
16:23confusing, I think,
16:24in some way.
16:24And I just,
16:25I know that
16:26D-Badesta's gone,
16:27all that.
16:27I just don't think
16:28that it's in the cards
16:32as a pick,
16:33as a conversation,
16:34but I think that anybody
16:35who's talking about
16:36Jeremiah Love
16:38knows that,
16:39you know, the Bronx,
16:40I'd be shocked.
16:41It'd be probably the most,
16:42I'd be less surprised
16:43if they took Ty Simpson
16:45at six,
16:46because it's such
16:47a premium position
16:48than I would be
16:48Jeremiah Love.
16:49I'm serious about that.
16:50And I love Jeremiah Love,
16:52and I think he's going
16:52to be a tremendous player.
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