00:00In addition to the over $4 trillion it adds for our national debt, it eliminates health care coverage for more
00:10than 15 million Americans, according to the CBO.
00:14The Kaiser Family Foundation says it's actually more than 17 million Americans who will lose their health care.
00:21Are they really all according to you? Really?
00:23You're going to sit here with a straight face and say they're all illegals, they're all defrauding the system?
00:29That's actually your position?
00:31Yes. With regard to the people that have lost that.
00:34I mean, that's laughable. That's laughable. I'm sorry. I'll give you a chance to respond.
00:38You have a number of issues with regard to your comments there.
00:41Well, wait, let me just.
00:42Number one.
00:43Sorry, wait, wait. Reclaiming my time, I just want to be clear.
00:46I'm citing, we acknowledge, the CBO figure, that's where I'm getting the 15 million from.
00:51And the Kaiser Family Foundation says 17 million.
00:54You're saying none of them are legitimately on this, even though we had one of them actually testify before us.
01:01I didn't say all of them are illegals.
01:03I said there's also the benefit of people returning to the workforce because they are able-bodied individuals,
01:08or they should not have been on the system regardless because of the inability to address fraud in the aftermath
01:15of.
01:16OK, so they're all either illegals or defrauding the system.
01:19Well, we certainly, that's certainly not a provocative statement that we have fraud all over the country, is it, Mr.
01:25Rankin?
01:25Why are, I imagine there are fraud in all sorts of private and public sector areas.
01:30But the idea that 15 million Americans are about to lose their health care,
01:35the single biggest loss of health care in American history, mind you,
01:39not even during the Great Depression, do 15 million Americans lose their health care coverage.
01:43The idea that all of those people who are about to lose their health care are defrauding the system
01:51or are illegal immigrants, that is not supported by any facts whatsoever.
01:57We're not working and now, are now working and getting the benefit of a job with employer-sponsored health care
02:01coverage.
02:02Look, that, these, these assessments by CBO and others are often very static.
02:09I mean, it's right-of-center groups as well, it's, well, reclaim my time, I only have a few minutes,
02:14so excuse me.
02:15But it's not just CBO.
02:17I mean, right-of-center groups, left-of-center groups, nonpartisan groups, you're saying they're, they're all wrong.
02:23I am saying that the budget community typically relies on static thinking, static scoring, current law baselines,
02:31and so you don't get an accurate picture of the extent to which the reforms that are being made are
02:37going to have a dynamic impact
02:39with better programs, more health care, for instance, $50 billion.
02:42Well, let me, before we get to the friends, I only have a couple minutes, so let me actually transition
02:47to my next subject,
02:49because I think I'll only have time now for this.
02:51The president recently said, I mean, he was talking about the record increase in gas prices,
02:56thanks to him and his war of choice in Iran, but he, he diverted in a spontaneous,
03:03he's speaking extemporaneously in the White House just a few days ago, he said, and I quote,
03:08the United States can't take care of daycare, that has to be up to a state.
03:14He then added, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things, they can do it on a state basis,
03:22you can't do it on federal. So I'm just curious, from your perspective at OMB,
03:29have you taken any actions to turn Medicare back to the states?
03:33No, and the president doesn't want to do that with regards to these-
03:36Well, he said it. I mean, he said it.
03:38He's referring to-
03:38So you're disagreeing with what the president said?
03:40No, I'm saying that the president meant, is he's talking about fraud in these programs.
03:44He's talking about-
03:44That's not, he didn't mention, excuse me, reclaim my time.
03:47Nowhere, I have the full statement in front of me.
03:48Nowhere in front of me is the word fraud presented.
03:52What he was talking about, he later at a different part said,
03:55we have to pay more for wars, and instead we can't afford Medicaid, Medicare, child care, things like that.
04:03And looking at the budget proposal, this is why I raise it, $442 billion, correct me if I'm wrong,
04:10$442 billion increase in defense.
04:14That's what you're asking for? About a 42% increase, is that right?
04:18Correct. For many paradigm-shifting investments that we need this-
04:23A 42% increase on what was already a record high for defense.
04:27And look, I serve as part of our U.S. delegation to the NATO parliament.
04:31I am no pacifist. I believe in a strong national defense.
04:35I believe the United States, I believe the world is at its best when the United States has the strongest
04:40military.
04:41The idea that we're going to pay for a 42% increase in this military, in this Department of Defense,
04:49and at the same time cut Medicaid, Medicare, not pay for child care,
04:54all of these things that the American people need in the case of Medicare have paid into,
04:59that is a reflection of priorities that are out of whack.
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