00:00That's a little troubling to me because if they had a conversation a few weeks ago with his agent, Joel
00:04Siegel,
00:05and they kind of saw this coming down the pike, which is what he said right there,
00:10then you know how frustrated he is.
00:13You know that he wants a new contract.
00:15You know that he came out publicly and said, I want to be traded.
00:20That goes against the notion of John Harbaugh saying, no, no, Dexter wants to be here.
00:26Dexter just told you he doesn't want to be here.
00:30Did he, though?
00:31That's what I heard.
00:32I heard his words.
00:33I read him.
00:33I think me and you disagree on this.
00:35Now, because I think it's just a ploy for money.
00:37I don't think he really wants to leave necessarily.
00:40And again, we'll find out.
00:42I know Paul Schwartz of The Post did an article, too, and a story.
00:45And Pat Leonard mentioned it.
00:47Connor Hughes even mentioned it.
00:49The idea that some of his teammates, which he wasn't happy about leaving,
00:52have gone on to greener pastures and won championships.
00:53Both money and championships.
00:54Both money and championships.
00:56So there's some of that.
00:57And sure, the Giants have been losing for a long time.
00:59But with the excitement of the team, the new head coach, I find it hard to believe,
01:04and maybe I'm being naive, that he desperately wants out.
01:07This is a money ploy.
01:08He wants a new contract.
01:09He's out of money.
01:10He feels like off of one year.
01:12And I get it.
01:13And I know you're big on the last year.
01:15For four years, he had a down year and three where he was top of his position.
01:20Not a pro bowler.
01:22Not pretty good.
01:23Not better than last year.
01:25Literally as good as anyone at his position in the sport.
01:29And he's getting paid like the 15th best in his position.
01:33So he wants more money.
01:34And they haven't been able to give it to him.
01:36They haven't been able to work with him.
01:37There's reasons why they're unhappy with him on some level, whether it's showing up to camp in bad shape.
01:42That was last year.
01:43Last year, yeah.
01:44So there's some, you know, he didn't have a good year, and the Giants have the leverage.
01:49He made this public because he's trying to gain leverage to get more money.
01:53That's what this is about.
01:54This isn't about I desperately want off the Giants.
01:57I want to desperately be paid for what I feel I'm worth.
01:59Here's the problem for me.
02:01And I don't want to overstate it.
02:02There's a greater likelihood that he signs and stays here than he gets traded,
02:06especially because of the cap implications on it,
02:08which would be $7 million in dead cap money.
02:11And that's all they have right now in available cap space,
02:13which obviously is going to change the three structures to other contracts at some point,
02:17you have to imagine, and trade Cabe on Thibodeau most likely, right?
02:21Here's the only issue I have there, and this is not the sky is falling.
02:24If you talk to his agent, and according to John Horbaugh, a few weeks ago,
02:30obviously in that conversation, the agent told you, my guy's not happy.
02:35My guy does not want to play without guaranteed money.
02:38And that's where he's at right now.
02:39He has no guaranteed money left on the final two years of his contract,
02:43which would pay him just north of $20 million a year, right?
02:46So the fact that over the last two weeks,
02:49you have apparently not had either any further conversations with him and his agent
02:54or any productive conversations with him and his agent,
02:59that's why it's a problem.
03:00Because if you spoke to the agent two weeks ago,
03:03and nothing at all got done positively,
03:07that's what led him yesterday to say, I want to be traded.
03:10Correct.
03:11Because now he's frustrated.
03:12Yeah.
03:12Now he's saying, well, hang on.
03:14Hang on a second.
03:16Yes, you've paid me a lot of money,
03:17and I feel like I've earned every penny of that,
03:20and I think I've out-earned it.
03:21I think I deserve more guaranteed money, right?
03:24I've had major injuries now, most notably to his elbow two years ago,
03:28which rendered him not ineffective,
03:31but not as good as he has been throughout his career.
03:33And he's saying to himself as a proud man, proudful man,
03:36so two weeks ago you talked to my agent.
03:38We told you two weeks ago,
03:40I ain't coming to play for you without a new contract.
03:44And we haven't heard back since?
03:46Well, I don't know if that's the case.
03:48They haven't come to an agreement,
03:49and obviously Dexter Lawrence.
03:50It's so bad, though, that he came out publicly.
03:54What was a private conversation now became a public one
03:58because nothing's gotten done.
04:00Over the last two years.
04:01That's a problem.
04:02Over the last two years, not just the last two weeks.
04:03Yeah, that's true.
04:04He's been unhappy for a while about his contract.
04:05Well, but he had guaranteed money last year.
04:07He still guaranteed money left on the deal.
04:09Now he's got no guaranteed money left.
04:11Right.
04:11That's what this is about.
04:12It's about money.
04:13It's about guaranteed money.
04:14Yes, it's about guaranteed money.
04:15Not just total value.
04:16How much money are the Giants willing to guarantee me
04:20at 28 years old off my worst season?
04:23100%.
04:23That's it.
04:23That's what this is about.
04:25And again, I thought the idea that he said,
04:28look, we want him here.
04:30He wants to be here.
04:31Right.
04:31Now, he said something to him publicly, but okay.
04:35Maybe it's a negotiating tactic.
04:37That's what I think that is.
04:38Okay.
04:38So if he has some belief, because again, you're right.
04:40What's the news?
04:41The news is I want to be traded.
04:43Harbaugh stands there and tells you he wants to be here.
04:45We want him here.
04:45Why would Harbaugh say that if he hadn't had some negotiation, some conversation?
04:49Yeah, that's a good question.
04:50Like with the aspect of, well, he can't.
04:52Harbaugh can't come out today and say, we're going to trade him.
04:55But they're arguing about contracts, right?
04:58Yes.
04:58You acknowledge that.
04:59I acknowledge it.
04:59Yes.
04:59Why would he be arguing with contracts for a team he doesn't want to be on?
05:03You know what I'm saying?
05:03Like he wants to be a giant.
05:05He wants them to pay him.
05:06And now he's frustrated and he's taking it to the public arena, which again, I think is
05:11dangerous for him coming off of this season.
05:13It's a bad time.
05:14And most giant fans I know are not very, oh, you got to pay him.
05:17You got to pay him.
05:18Most giant fans I know is, hey, listen, can we get a first round pick for him?
05:21Right.
05:21That's the reaction I get from talking to my giant fans.
05:23Most giant fans are willing to walk on him.
05:25Absolutely.
05:26Right.
05:26If you get the compensation.
05:27If you get the compensation.
05:28But I would just say, like I expect, now again, we don't know what kind of motivation
05:33he has.
05:33We don't know what kind of shape he's in.
05:34But I would expect Dexter Lawrence to have a bounce back here.
05:37And he's been, I don't think we're recognizing how good this dude has been.
05:42Like if you look at it, if you just look at past pressures from the nose tackle position,
05:47pressures.
05:48Now again, not every D tackle lines up at the nose.
05:51It's a, it's a, it's a little bit of a unique thing, but pressures from nose tackle position
05:56when lined up as nose tackle, not just the overall D tackles when lined up as a nose tackle
06:01since 2022, Dexter Lawrence has 108 pressures on the quarterback.
06:06Okay.
06:07Give me a comparison so I can.
06:08The second best one.
06:09Go.
06:10Next on the list is Vita Vea at 32.
06:13So quadruple the amount.
06:15Ballpark.
06:15Yeah.
06:16Yeah.
06:16Almost, almost quadrupling.
06:18Okay.
06:19How many did he have last year?
06:2032.
06:21I don't know how many he had last year, but since 2022, there's no doubt last year was
06:25a disappointing season.
06:25Last year's killing him right now.
06:26Last year's killing him.
06:27Yeah.
06:27But we are forgetting how good this dude is.
06:30I don't think I was forgetting.
06:31I think he's coming off his worst year.
06:32He's 28 years old.
06:34Yep.
06:34Like, I definitely think they need to get in a room with him.
06:37They need to see what kind of shape he's in.
06:38And that's what's unfortunate because he's not coming.
06:40He's not coming.
06:41He's not coming in.
06:42That's right.
06:42He's not going to find out.
06:43Like, but ultimately, like, if it were me, I'm paying him.
06:47I've been thinking about this all day.
06:49I've been thinking about it all night.
06:50I don't want to trade him.
06:51Everything I read is maybe, just maybe a back end of the first round pick.
06:57But most likely, you're looking at a second round pick and another pick.
06:59I'm not trading someone I believe is probably better than damn near every defensive player
07:05that's going to be drafted in the first round this year.
07:07And this team's got to start winning now.
07:10Like, what is this run game?
07:12And I know it's so easy, and I hate this argument all the time.
07:15Well, they had a miserable run game last year with them.
07:17They can have the worst run game in the league without them.
07:20Oh, they won three, they won four games last year.
07:22With them, they can win four games without them.
07:24Like, they won four games with Jackson Dart, too.
07:28We want to get rid of him.
07:29Like, this is a 28-year-old player who is a stud when healthy and motivated.
07:34And, yeah, it's a risk.
07:35And, yes, you have to make sure he is healthy and motivated.
07:38But, man, oh, man, we're talking about a guy, again, 108 to 32.
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