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Seth and Sean dive into Bill Barnwell's exercise which is a mock draft where every pick gets traded, assess if they'd do the one for the Texans to get up to pick 19, and react to what Mina Kimes and Daniel Jeremiah have the Texans doing at 28 in their little exercise.
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00:00So here's what Barnwell has for the Texans with the 28th pick.
00:03Again, this is a mock draft in which Bill Barnwell ends up trading all the picks
00:07or proposing trades regarding each pick.
00:10The Texans trade with, boy, this is so similar to what John Harris had.
00:16It's crazy.
00:17John Harris had the Texans trading up from 28 to 18 with the Vikings.
00:23Bill Barnwell has the Texans trading from 28 up to 19 with the Carolina Panthers.
00:30The Texans get the 19th pick in the draft, and the Panthers move down to 28.
00:35In the process, the Panthers get the Texans' second-round pick and fourth-round pick.
00:40The Texans get the Panthers' third-round pick and sixth-round pick.
00:43So essentially, to move up nine spots, the Texans are moving 24 spots back on day two
00:49and 94 spots back on day three.
00:52That's the easiest way to look at it.
00:54So they move up nine spots.
00:57Barnwell says Nick Casario quietly has a lot of draft capital this year.
01:03He outlines how they got it, the Tunsil trade, the Jackson Dart trade.
01:06With an exciting core, Casario might feel like he can afford to be aggressive
01:10and move up for an impact first-rounder.
01:13He suggests, Barnwell does, that, like John Harris suggested,
01:17the Texans move up and draft Kenyon Sadiq, tight end out of Oregon.
01:22He says this, the Texans used two tight end sets, the second-lowest rate in the NFL.
01:27But I wonder if Nick Caley, the OC, noticed that the Rams noticed what they did,
01:32his former team, by using much more 13 personnel, three tight end sets.
01:36Yeah.
01:37Two things annoy me about this.
01:38One is that he didn't actually have the Texans take Sadiq.
01:40That's why I was annoyed.
01:41This isn't even a mock draft.
01:43He says, what about Sadiq?
01:45Oh, okay.
01:45Yeah.
01:46That's why I was confused a little bit.
01:48It's this damn long article.
01:51But the other part is, okay, I don't fault Barnwell for not understanding
01:56the injury situation that the Texans have had with their tight ends.
01:59I think last year they went into planning on using a lot of multiple tight end sets.
02:04But their second and third tight ends got injured in the two weeks leading up to the season.
02:09And it was just a rough year in terms of just availability of viable tight ends.
02:16And so I get annoyed that he's acting like, you know,
02:19Caley must have noticed what they did with the Rams last year.
02:21And now he's going to try to copycat.
02:24He was already going to copycat them last year.
02:26And the three tight end sets is something a lot of people have been talking about
02:29in NFL circles for a couple years.
02:31Because defense is just, they're not, they've been built to stop the passing game.
02:35And now all of a sudden, offenses are running the ball a lot more.
02:38They ran the ball the most last year since 2008 or something like that.
02:44So I think that's very possible.
02:46And, yeah, Sadiq's not a great blocker or anything.
02:52But, again, modern NFL tight ends, it's more about just, all right,
02:55you've got some bodies in there who are viable receivers who can also block.
02:59I think that's very, very possible.
03:02So, yeah, I think Sadiq, we're at that point in the process
03:05where now I'm seeing a lot of contrarian thoughts about Sadiq.
03:08People don't think he's actually worth a, you know, top 15 pick or whatever.
03:12You can set your watch to it right on cue two weeks before the draft.
03:14Yeah, and I get it.
03:15And they bring up valid points and everything.
03:17I think there's a really good chance that the Texans look at Sadiq as a guy
03:20that they would trade up to the teens to get.
03:23And in this one, they still, in this hypothetical,
03:26they retain their 38th overall pick.
03:29They do, yeah.
03:29Yeah, so you still have an early second-round pick.
03:32Yep.
03:32I'd feel good about this.
03:34They trade their other second-round pick in this one,
03:36the one that's actually their pick, not the pick from the Tunsell trade.
03:39Here's what Barnwell says about Sadiq.
03:42This is the part that Seth alluded to earlier,
03:46talking about the 13 personnel, the three tight end sets.
03:49Those could include Kate Stover and Foster Moreau.
03:51But what about Sadiq, as you mentioned?
03:53His ability to run away from defenders and stretch the field
03:57would be appealing for the Texans,
03:59who ranked last in yards after catch over expectation
04:03on a per-catch basis last season.
04:05There is from NextGenStats, by the way.
04:07That's an analytical mouthful right there.
04:10He suggests the Panthers could just stay there and draft Sadiq.
04:12I've seen them doing that in some mock drafts.
04:15That's all well and good.
04:16You mentioned that yesterday, Seth, when we talked about Sadiq.
04:19I think it was yesterday, about his ability to run away from defenders.
04:23You know, can he do that at the NFL level like he did in the Big Ten for Oregon?
04:27That would be the big question.
04:28Right, yeah.
04:29And that's what John Harris had brought up the other day.
04:31The one reservation about it is, you know, he didn't have a lot of whole,
04:36like, huge home run breakaway plays, but he had a bunch of chunk plays.
04:41So how much of his scheme versus the guy himself?
04:45Yeah, this is another one where, on the defensive side of the ball,
04:50if the Texans draft a guy that looks like a little bit of a project,
04:53as a fan base, we kind of feel like, okay, cool.
04:56Yeah, D'Amico and Matt Burke and whichever position coach will get the absolute
05:00most out of these guys, because we've seen it now with Kamari Lasseter.
05:04We've seen it with Kalen Bullock.
05:05We've seen them just take these guys and turn them into the best version
05:08of whatever the scouting report says.
05:10We don't have that same faith or confidence on the offensive side of the ball.
05:13So it's all, it's still, the Texans, if they draft an offensive player
05:18in the first round, we're going to have a whole lot of, all right,
05:21let's wait and see what they do with them.
05:22So, yep, I like this trade because they still have the same number of picks
05:27after it's over.
05:28You're just moving back, and they're moving back from late in the second.
05:32You know, the day three picks or whatever, you know,
05:34you're moving back from the early fourth to the sixth round.
05:38Okay, you know, that's whatever.
05:40Like the day one and day two picks are the premium picks.
05:42So you still keep the 38th overall pick from the Tunsil trade,
05:46and you still have two, now you have two third round picks
05:50as opposed to the 59th pick and the 69th pick.
05:55You have 69 and 83.
05:57Nick's done a good job in the third round, you know,
05:59and so you're moving back from 59 to 83,
06:02and that's the cost to move up and get a guy that you think
06:05is a potentially elite tight end, is clearly the most,
06:11clearly the highest rated of the tight end.
06:13We'll see if he ends up being the best tight end,
06:15but football has spoken about Kenyon Sadiq and the other tight ends,
06:18and there's a big chasm in between them.
06:21That's a price I'm okay with paying because you're still walking away
06:25from day two of the draft with the same number of football players
06:28that you would have had before this trade.
06:30The fun thing about this would be that it would open up potentially
06:32even more trades down the line between the rest of the draft
06:37and training camp because you'd have a pretty packed tight end room.
06:40I think that they brought in Foster Moreau specifically because he's
06:45a good blocker and that I don't think that it's almost like he's
06:49in a different competition than Brevin Jordan and Cade Stover
06:53because those guys, for one, you've got Brevin Jordan's injury history,
06:57but he's got this ability to make plays as a receiver.
07:02Cade Stover overall is just still an unknown in terms of what type of tight end
07:08is he going to turn into.
07:09But I feel like Foster Moreau, if you're looking at Kenyon Sadiq
07:13going to be on the team, Dalton Schultz going to be on the team,
07:16and then Foster Moreau, I don't think he's even in competition
07:19with those other two guys.
07:20They want to have a guy who can block in that tight end room.
07:23Foster Moreau is the only guy of anybody there right now that you feel,
07:27including Kenyon Sadiq, that you feel is a capable blocker.
07:30You had to pick one to make the team blindly right now.
07:33Between Foster Moreau, Cade Stover, and Brevin Jordan?
07:35Well, I was just going to limit it down to Stover and Moreau.
07:38Oh, well, yeah, based on what I was just saying, Moreau's going to make the team.
07:42Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
07:45Cade Stover's in competition with Brevin Jordan.
07:47Yep, yep.
07:48And they're different, which is, again, weird because they're different types
07:51of athletes and tight ends.
07:53Yeah, they're listed at the same position, but they're different guys.
07:55Yeah.
07:56Yeah, that makes sense.
07:58So, yeah, the Barnwell article is good.
08:00There's a few other ones in here that are interesting if you want to go seek those out.
08:04But Mina Kimes had Daniel Jeremiah.
08:07I was just sticking with the draft theme here.
08:09Mina Kimes, it looked like, had Daniel Jeremiah on her podcast,
08:13and they did kind of a quasi-mock draft where she was proposing a couple of guys
08:18to him at each spot, and he'd have to pick between the two of them.
08:21At least that's what it was for the Texan spot at 28th.
08:25Take a listen.
08:26Here are the two players that Mina Kimes proposes to Daniel Jeremiah,
08:29and take a listen, Daniel Jeremiah makes a pick and compares this player
08:33to a current Houston Texan.
08:37I'm going to put Woods back here.
08:39Okay.
08:40Because it'd be fun.
08:42Pause, Ben.
08:43Peter Woods, defensive tackle from Clemson is who she's talking about.
08:47And then the other choice I'm going to give you is a guard.
08:52I'm going to give you Pregnant, the Oregon guard here.
08:56Yeah.
08:59Yeah, I would, in that scenario, I would take Woods.
09:03I would be, you know, he does have that ability to get upfield a little bit.
09:07I don't know if he plays.
09:08They like guys who are aggressive up the field and who play with a little,
09:12you know, a little violence.
09:13I don't know if he has quite that violent streak to him,
09:15but he does have a quick first step.
09:18And he kind of is similar to a Sheldon Rankins.
09:22I don't think he's, like Sheldon Rankins,
09:24he plays a little with a little more pop in his hands.
09:27But I think this dude has that type of quick first step stuff.
09:30Okay.
09:31Peter Woods.
09:32How far into the podcast did those two wake up?
09:35I don't know.
09:36I mean, we're getting down to the 28th week there.
09:37Yeah, no, the energy level was that.
09:39I'm like, you guys realize you're performing for people right now.
09:41Hey, hey, you guys are on Drive Time Radio now, okay?
09:44Yeah, yeah.
09:45Give a little zest to you.
09:46Yeah.
09:46Yeah, I think I would agree with what Daniel Jeremiah says there.
09:50I think with Peter Woods, part of it is – I'm going to make a weird comparison here.
09:56It's a little bit like how people were talking about Will Anderson in one regard,
10:01in one regard only.
10:03I'm not comparing him to Will Anderson.
10:04But Will Anderson in his second to last year in 2020-21 was more productive than he was in 2022.
10:15But people were looking at it and saying, man, why doesn't this guy make more plays?
10:19Boy, last year, that was when he really looked like a top three pick in the draft.
10:22But they changed how they used him in his final year in college.
10:27And that was part of why the production wasn't the same.
10:30And the same thing kind of happened with Peter Woods where I felt like going into the season people were
10:34really high on him.
10:35But Clemson was using him more out on the edge and in a role where he could make more plays.
10:40When he had to play down inside like a nose tackle a bunch, yeah, he's not going to make as
10:44many plays
10:45and he's not going to be as comfortable.
10:47So I think a lot of his upside is still there.
10:50And some of the lack of production last year was probably more an offshoot of just him being uncomfortable in
10:56his role
10:56and them using him differently.
10:57I think that D'Amico probably looks at Peter Woods and thinks, yeah, if we just get him in our
11:03system
11:03where we just really simplify things for him and get upfield, that there's a lot of untapped potential there.
11:09So it wouldn't surprise me at all if they take him.
11:11The other guys, the other defensive tackles that are projected to go at the top of the draft
11:15are more nose tackle types of guys.
11:18They're big, strong dudes that might offer you something in pass rush,
11:21but they're not athletically the same as Peter Woods.
11:24Peter Woods fits the profile more so than those other guys, but I'm not ruling out those other guys
11:30because Caden McDonald, the other defensive tackle that's mocked to the Texans a lot,
11:35he reminds me a lot of Tim Settle.
11:37And I think they would have loved to keep Tim Settle if he hadn't got such a big contract in
11:40Washington.
11:41Do you like the comp of Woods and Sheldon Rankins there from Jim?
11:44Yeah, I think so.
11:45I don't know if that's the comp you would have made if he wasn't talking about the Texans.
11:50Yeah, that's true.
11:51Yeah.
11:52Rankins is a, he's one of those guys he's bigger than people realize he is
11:58because he kind of moves like a 280-pound guy.
12:01So he's got more of a size and speed dynamic than Peter Woods does, but yeah, that's a fair enough
12:07one.
12:07If you get Sheldon Rankins, if you get the equivalent of Sheldon Rankins
12:10with a 28th pick in the draft, and I'm not talking just for 2026, I'm talking, like, that's a win.
12:15Sheldon Rankins has been around for a decade now.
12:16So playing good, solid football in the NFL, not everybody's going to be an all-pro.
12:21So I'm cool with that.
12:23A few texts on the base power text line, and then we'll get to Gary Kubiak on scouting D'Amico
12:28Ryan's text message.
12:30Mendoza is definitely better than Stroud.
12:32Okay.
12:34Based on, what, based on beating Miami in the national championship game, I guess?
12:38Yeah, don't do it.
12:39You can miss me with any kind of, like, saying any one of these prospects is better than any NFL
12:43player.
12:44Right.
12:44They all suck until they don't.
12:45That's exactly right.
12:46You guys, listen, if you're new to the show, you have to understand this about me and the pre-draft
12:49process.
12:50I get really sick and tired of people not understanding how bad every single college football player is until he
12:56gets into the NFL,
12:57including the ones who will end up being all-pro players.
13:00Right now, they suck.
13:01Yep.
13:01They really, really suck.
13:03And you can't, until they go through a training camp and fix some of the things that they need to
13:09work on,
13:09they continue to suck until they don't.
13:12You have a little bit of Bill O'Brien in you.
13:14Rookies just, they don't know anything.
13:16Yeah.
13:16It's true.
13:16Yeah.
13:17He was 100% correct on that.
13:18O'Brien's problem was that he'd stayed fixated on it and refused to acknowledge that a rookie might end up
13:25being good in his rookie year.
13:26He thought they didn't do anything for three years.
13:30Yeah.
13:31Although I admire the confidence of people who think that they're smarter than every single GM who ever lived.
13:36Right.
13:36And that they know for certain who's going to be good in the NFL.
13:39Well.
13:39Despite the fact that the really good GMs in the NFL will admit to you in private conversation that they
13:45never know.
13:45You're a big fan.
13:46They have a really good feeling about, they've had so many good, really good feelings about slam dunk picks that
13:51didn't work out that they've learned.
13:53Big fan of 979 guy then on the text page, on the base power text line.
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