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00:31Well, good afternoon and welcome to the Countdown Studio.
00:34Monday, the 11th of November, welcome to the start of National School Meals Week.
00:39It seems to me it's like a sort of a rolling campaign.
00:42In fact, it's rarely off the front pages.
00:45But, anyway, there we are.
00:47The purpose, really, to provide nutritious school lunches
00:51and sweep away the old perceptions about school meals.
00:55And there are teams of people roaming the countryside,
00:57teaching people about the need to provide nutritious school meals.
01:04And also, I like this a lot, involving local farmers and, you know, food growers
01:10so that their produce is provided locally
01:14and doing away with these food miles.
01:17What do you think about it?
01:18I've got to tell you, can I get in first and say my school meals were disgusting?
01:21Oh, no.
01:22Great aluminium trays would be produced full of baked potatoes in the skins, right?
01:29Then you took the skins off, if you felt like it,
01:31and then you built a sort of a castle of mashed potatoes.
01:35Right.
01:35And then you poured what was laughingly known as gravy in the middle.
01:39And there was a bit of something.
01:41Maybe it was meat.
01:42We never were really quite very sure.
01:44And that was it.
01:45And now look at me.
01:47Yeah, you've survived all right, Nick.
01:50Just about.
01:51Only because I used to buy other boys boiled eggs on Sundays.
01:55I used to say, I'm prepared to pay sixpence for boiled eggs.
02:00I used to get maybe a clutch of them.
02:02I'd eat them all together.
02:03Not great for the digestion.
02:05You could be egg-bound.
02:06I took the rest of it and it was all right.
02:10Too much information, Nick.
02:12There we are.
02:13Now we've got Morgan back, Rachel.
02:15Morgan, math student from Peterborough, on five wins.
02:19How are you feeling?
02:20Not too bad.
02:21I didn't expect to get as far as I have.
02:22Well, you've done very well.
02:24But I've got somebody who's going to try and stop you.
02:26And that's Curtis Lipman.
02:28Welcome, Curtis.
02:30Operations manager from Chelmsford in Essex.
02:33Bit of a thrill-seeker.
02:34Well, I hope we get some thrills here.
02:36But you hurled, threw yourself out of an aircraft at 8,000 feet and skydived.
02:44Fortunately, you had somebody clinging onto your back, telling you what to do.
02:48He was much more experienced than I was.
02:50Was it fun?
02:50Yeah, lots of fun.
02:51Your girlfriend, she had a go as well?
02:53She did.
02:53She did.
02:54It was actually her idea.
02:55So I was pushed rather than jumped.
02:57Oh, did she make you go first?
03:00No, she went first.
03:01Oh, OK.
03:02I thought maybe there was a murder plot here somewhere.
03:04Anyway, very good.
03:06Have fun.
03:07Both of you.
03:07Big round of applause there for Curtis and Morgan.
03:13And over in the corner there.
03:15Wow.
03:16Susie, and looking like a herbaceous border, we've got the wonderful author and comedian Jenny
03:21Eclare.
03:22Jenny, welcome back.
03:24Oh, thank you for having me back.
03:25I'm delighted to be here.
03:27And we're delighted, have you?
03:29Morgan, what are you going to do for us?
03:31Let's just go in.
03:32Hi, Rachel.
03:33Hi, Morgan.
03:33I'll start with a vowel, please.
03:34Start the week with I.
03:37And another.
03:38O.
03:40And a third.
03:41A.
03:42And a consonant.
03:44G.
03:45And another.
03:47S.
03:48And another.
03:50N.
03:51And another consonant.
03:54R.
03:55And a vowel.
03:57E.
03:58And a final consonant, please.
04:00A final G.
04:01Stand by.
04:02Okay.
04:33Well, Morgan. Eight. And eight. Curtis. Seven. And your seven is? Regains. And, Morgan. Greasing. Greasing. Yes. Very nice.
04:46Greasing. What about the corner? Jenny, Susie? Can you do a plural naggers? You can. Yeah, you can. Not one
04:53nagger, loads of naggers.
04:55Loads of naggers. People who naggers are naggers, in other words. Yeah, that's fair for seven. And one more eight
05:00for you, Nick. Organise.
05:02Organise. Organise. Yeah. Thank you very much for that. Morgan on eight. And now it's Curtis. Hi, Rachel. Hi, Curtis.
05:08Can I have a consonant, please? Thank you. Start with D. And another.
05:15W. And another.
05:17Another. B. And a vowel. O. And another. A. And a consonant. D. And a vowel. E. And another.
05:36A. And a consonant, please. And lastly, R. And it's Countdown.
05:42A. And a vowel.
05:43A. And a vowel.
06:12Well Curtis seven a seven and seven as well two sevens Curtis boarded Morgan same word
06:19there we go Jenny and Susie yes I have got one and it's a good one it's Bordier with a
06:26W in the
06:26middle Bordier yes a Bordier night it would have been difficult to experience can you imagine what
06:34about Susie that's good seven radioed is another one radio is a verb radioed thank you radioed for
06:40help 15 plays seven Morgan your numbers game and for one big and five small please right you you can
06:47indeed thank you Morgan one from the top profile not and the first numbers of the week are one six
06:53eight seven eight and 100 and the target 123 one two three
07:09so
07:33Well, Morgan.
07:34One, two, three.
07:35Yep. And?
07:36One, two, three.
07:37One, two, three for Curtis. Morgan?
07:39Um, 100 plus eight plus eight plus seven.
07:42One, two, three, yep.
07:43And Curtis, same way.
07:45That's not right.
07:46Nudge.
07:46All right.
07:49So, 25 plays 17 as we turn now to our first Tea Time teaser,
07:55which is ten minors.
07:56And the clue?
07:57The children were invited to share their deepest thoughts with the teacher.
08:01The children were invited to share their deepest thoughts with the teacher.
08:21Welcome back.
08:22Welcome back.
08:23I left you with the clue.
08:23The children were invited to share their deepest thoughts with the teacher.
08:27Their innermost thoughts.
08:30Innermost is the answer to that.
08:31Innermost, 25 plays 17.
08:34Morgan on 25.
08:35And now, Curtis, it's your letters go.
08:37Start of the vowel, please.
08:38Thank you, Curtis.
08:39O.
08:41And another.
08:42A.
08:43And another.
08:45I.
08:46And another.
08:48E.
08:49And a consonant, please.
08:51S.
08:52And another.
08:53P.
08:54And another.
08:56R.
08:57And another.
08:58Q.
09:02And another, please.
09:04And lastly, T.
09:06Stand by.
09:37Yes, Curtis?
09:38Six.
09:39Six, Morgan?
09:40Seven.
09:41Curtis?
09:41Poster.
09:42Poster and?
09:43Rope-iest.
09:45Yes, very good.
09:46Rope-iest.
09:47Now, Jenny.
09:49Well, I've got pirates, but is there a word called sproat?
09:53Oh.
09:54It's a cross between a sprout and a stoat, maybe.
09:58No, I just sort of came up.
10:00Is there...
10:01No, there isn't.
10:02Well, that's that me.
10:03That's me told.
10:04Susie?
10:04You have pirates, we have parties.
10:06There's an anagram of that.
10:07And also traipse.
10:08Another anagram.
10:09Traipse?
10:09Yes.
10:09I like that.
10:10Yeah.
10:11Traipsing off down the road.
10:1432 plays 17.
10:15Morgan, your letters game.
10:17I'll start with a vowel, please.
10:18Thank you, Morgan.
10:19O.
10:20And another?
10:22A.
10:23And a consonant.
10:25A.
10:26And another?
10:28R.
10:29And another?
10:31T.
10:32And a fourth?
10:34C.
10:35And a vowel?
10:37E.
10:38And another?
10:40O.
10:41And a final consonant, please.
10:44A final S.
10:46Stand by.
11:02And a vowel, please.
11:02And a vowel, please.
11:03And a vowel, please.
11:04And a vowel, please.
11:05And a vowel, please.
11:05And a vowel, please.
11:05And a vowel, please.
11:05And a vowel, please.
11:07And a vowel, please.
11:17Morgan? 7 again. 7 again. Curtis? 6. You're 6? All rights. Mr Sawyer? Shooter. Shooter, yes, absolutely fine.
11:26And over in the corner? I've got earshot. Very good. And Susie? Nice 7. Yes, 7's all the way, really.
11:32Cahoots, as in in cahoots, cohorts, that kind of thing. Thank you. 39 plays 17.
11:38And now, Curtis, your shot at the numbers. One for the top and anywhere else.
11:43Thank you, Curtis. One big five little coming up again.
11:46And for this round, we have 7, 9, 3, 3, 7 and 75.
11:55And the target? 317. 317.
12:30Yes, Curtis? Nothing at all, I'm afraid. Too far? Yep. Morgan?
12:34Er, 316, not written down. Off we go. 316.
12:387 minus 3 to give 4. 7 minus 3 is 4.
12:41Times by 75 to give 300. Yep.
12:44And then 9 plus 7 is 16 and add that on.
12:479 plus the other 7 for one away. 316.
12:50Well done. But not exactly there. For that, we turn to Rachel. Is it tricky? Rachel?
12:56Er, yes. Leave it with me.
12:58Certainly, I will. 46, place 17. Morgan on 46 as we turn to Jenny Aclare.
13:06Jenny, what have you got for us?
13:08Oh, well, I've... You know, we're a dictionary corner here.
13:11Yes. But I'm also hypochondria corner.
13:14Yes. Very odd side effects to being the age I am.
13:19Er, 59. Oh, look, they don't look surprised.
13:22They're going, oh, I thought she was older.
13:23Well, I think, you know, a lot of people know that middle-aged women suffer from funny old things.
13:29But one of the odd side effects, I have something called temper static.
13:33Oh.
13:34Yes. And how it involves my everyday life.
13:37I can't use those, um, you know, this is my mime. I'm very highly trained.
13:43You know when you go in a shop and it's an automatic till?
13:46Mm.
13:46I can't do that because of my temper static.
13:49I've got so much broad temper and rage that when I try and swipe an item, it's like it won't
13:56go because I've got the rage and I'll go over and over and over again.
14:00And the more I do it, the more it won't happen.
14:03Do you get that?
14:04No.
14:04Oh.
14:06Do you understand? I genuinely think I kind of give out this electrical force field of badness that won't let
14:16the code do the thing.
14:19I could almost...
14:20It was very technical then, wasn't it, that description?
14:22I thought that was brilliant. Anything else?
14:25Oh, I have pop-sock leg as well.
14:27What's that?
14:28Well, it's when you've got a fat calf, Nick.
14:30Yeah.
14:30You won't suffer from this. I think you're probably a thin, carved man.
14:34You normally slaughter the fatted calf, I think.
14:37Oh, well...
14:38Or is that a different calf?
14:40No, yeah, I'm talking the calf on my leg.
14:42Oh, I see.
14:42With a pop-sock.
14:43And then what you've got to look out for is a dark welt round the top.
14:48And that means that you're cutting off your blood supply.
14:51No.
14:52And eventually it'll take the oxygen away from your brain.
14:55You have to be very careful. You have to take the pop-sock off very quickly.
14:58Well, good luck.
15:00And good luck with the ill lot, legs.
15:06And good luck with your fatted calf.
15:08Now, over to Rachel.
15:10Rachel?
15:11317. I bet you have.
15:13Harder than it looked, this one.
15:14I think if you say 7 times 7 is 49.
15:183 divided by 3 is 1.
15:209 minus 1 is 8.
15:22Times those together for 392 and then take away the 75.
15:26A 3-1-0.
15:27Fantastic.
15:31Spot on as ever.
15:33Always.
15:34Morgan, how about a letters game?
15:36I'll start with a consonant, please, Rachel.
15:37Thank you, Morgan.
15:38P.
15:39And another.
15:41T.
15:42And another.
15:44K.
15:45And a vowel.
15:47I.
15:48And another one.
15:49A.
15:50And another.
15:57And a final vowel, please.
16:01A final U.
16:03Stand by.
16:05And a vowel.
16:27And a vowel.
16:28And a vowel.
16:28And a vowel.
16:28And a vowel.
16:29And a vowel.
16:30And a vowel.
16:33And a vowel.
16:34And a vowel.
16:35Yes, Morgan?
16:36I think an eight.
16:38Curtis?
16:39Six.
16:40A six?
16:40A risky six.
16:41And how much of a risk?
16:43Putain.
16:44Now, what about Morgan?
16:46Punitive.
16:48Punitive, you need two I's.
16:50And how are you spelling that, Curtis?
16:53So it's P-U-T-A-N-E.
16:55P-U-T-A-I-N would have been in there, but not that spelling.
17:00I'm really sorry.
17:00Bad luck.
17:01Now, what else would be...
17:04..what have we got in the corner there?
17:05Just a very simple six, peanut.
17:08Peanut.
17:09Susie in the gills?
17:10Yeah, six is all round uptake, intake.
17:13And now, Curtis, it's your letters go.
17:15Start with a vowel, please, Rachel.
17:16Thank you, Curtis.
17:18O.
17:18A consonant.
17:20S.
17:21And another.
17:23H.
17:24And another.
17:26M.
17:28And another.
17:30T.
17:32And a vowel.
17:32I.
17:35And another.
17:36U.
17:37And another.
17:39E.
17:40And a consonant, please.
17:42And lastly, Z.
17:44Stand by.
17:46Time$4.
18:14Bye.
18:14Oh, yeah.
18:15Yes, Curtis. Six.
18:17And, Morgan? I'll try a seven.
18:19Curtis? Mouth.
18:21Yep. And...
18:23Homeist? Homeist, yes.
18:25Homey is in there as a synonym for homely, really.
18:29Pleasantly comfortable, so homeist is absolutely fine.
18:32Jenny? Another seventh without size.
18:35That's it? Yes.
18:36All right. 53 plays 17, and now, Morgan, it's your numbers game.
18:41I'll go two from the top and four small, then, please, this time.
18:44Thank you, Morgan. Two large, four little ones.
18:47And the small ones are one, nine, eight and nine,
18:52and the large two, 25 and 50.
18:56And your target, 412.
18:58412.
19:30Well, Morgan? 410.
19:32And, Curtis? 411.
19:34And 411.
19:35Curtis?
19:37No, unfortunately, no, I've realised a mistake.
19:40Bit of slippage.
19:41Yes, sadly.
19:42Morgan?
19:43Eight times 50 is 400.
19:45Eight, 50 is 400.
19:47And then add nine, add one.
19:49Yep. 410.
19:51Two away.
19:51Rachel, 412.
19:52If you say eight minus one is seven, 50 minus seven is 43,
20:01times that by nine for 387, and add the 25.
20:07That's the way.
20:08Wonderful.
20:13So, Morgan, 60, Curtis, 17, as we turn to our second tea time teaser,
20:19which is pruned cut.
20:21And the clue, she pruned the roses and cut the grass,
20:24then suddenly felt very deflated.
20:27She pruned the roses and cut the grass,
20:29then suddenly felt very deflated.
20:48Welcome back, welcome back.
20:50I left with the clue, she pruned the roses and cut the grass,
20:53then suddenly felt very deflated.
20:55In fact, she felt sort of punctured.
20:58Punctured is the answer to that.
21:00So, where are we?
21:0160, plays 17, Morgan on 60.
21:05It's Curtis's letters game.
21:06Good luck.
21:07Consonant, please, Rachel.
21:08Thank you, Curtis.
21:10R.
21:11And another.
21:13S.
21:14And another.
21:16R.
21:17And a vowel.
21:19A.
21:20And another.
21:21O.
21:23And a consonant.
21:25M.
21:26And a vowel.
21:28A.
21:29And another.
21:32O.
21:34And a consonant, please.
21:35And the last one, F.
21:37Stand by.
21:38And a vowel.
22:04And a vowel.
22:09Well, Curtis?
22:11Five.
22:12Five. Now, Morgan.
22:13Six.
22:15Curtis?
22:16Runes.
22:17Yes, sir.
22:18Aromas?
22:19Yes, very good.
22:21Now, Jenny?
22:22Aromas as well, yeah.
22:24Yes, nothing of any length there. That was the longest we could find.
22:27Morgan, your letters game.
22:30I'll start with the consonant again, please, Rachel.
22:32Thank you, Morgan.
22:33P?
22:34And another one.
22:36B?
22:37And a vowel.
22:38I?
22:40And another.
22:41E?
22:43And a third.
22:44A?
22:46And a consonant.
22:47L?
22:49And another one.
22:50N?
22:52And another.
22:54T?
22:55And a final vowel, please.
22:57A final O.
22:59And here's the countdown clock.
23:01So.
23:02I'm here.
23:25And another one.
23:29You're right.
23:29And another one.
23:29We're on the one.
23:31Well Morgan a
23:33Seven a seven Curtis six and your six client. Thank you
23:40Elation yes, very nice elation Jenny. No, I'm sorry. I burnt out on this one. Susie
23:48There are a few more sevens polenta is there and notable as well, but there was a nine there Nick
23:55Telescope that can be pointed very as sharply a particular object is pointable point of all you nine. Yes
24:09And now it's time for Susie's wonderful origins of words Susie
24:13Well, I've been thinking recently how it's human nature really to kind of conceive of quite complicated ideas or abstract
24:20ideas through very concrete
24:23You know associations, I suppose so their metaphors in other words and so many of our most everyday English words
24:30rely on a metaphors
24:31That actually are associated with a particular concrete objects
24:34So I thought I would give you some examples
24:37I spoke the other day about normal going back to a carpenter square the normal
24:42The sort of right angles being the kind of standard measurement
24:45Companion has got bread in it because it's somebody with whom you break bread likewise a mate is somebody with
24:51whom you eat your meat
24:52At once a word that meant all food not just meet itself as we would associate it today
24:58I mentioned that word flatten that's in the word explain as well because plenary in Latin meant to
25:03Flatten out so when you explain something you are flattening out a complicated
25:08Argument perhaps and likewise I mentioned hanging depend goes back to the Latin pendure
25:14It gave his pendulum and pendulous to hang and so when you depend on something you hang your argument upon
25:20it or you hang your trust upon it
25:22To impede the peed in there is ped Latin for a foot and so if you impede somebody or are
25:29impeded your foot's entangled in some way
25:32Millipede it's got the same idea of feet in it
25:35And likewise if you emancipate somebody you let go of their hand then emancipate it's got malice in it the
25:41Latin for hand
25:42And I just finished with one that I always really like
25:45You would never guess that remorse perhaps is linked to morsel a morsel of food because the idea is that
25:51when you feel remorse over something
25:54It comes back to bite you
25:55Oh really?
25:57So good!
26:02Wonderful. Perfectly packaged little lesson there. I love them. 73 plays 17. Morgan in the charge at the moment and
26:11it's Curtis's letters game. Curtis.
26:13Vowel, please, Rachel. Thank you, Curtis.
26:16U
26:17And another
26:19E
26:19T
26:20And a consonant
26:21S
26:22And another
26:24T
26:26And a vowel, please
26:28I
26:30And a consonant
26:31N
26:33And a consonant
26:34S
26:36And a vowel
26:39A
26:39Final consonant, please
26:41Final J
26:43Stand by
26:44T
27:15Well, Curtis. Seven. Morgan. I'll try seven as well. Curtis. Sustain. Sustain and? Nasties. I think that should be fine,
27:23actually. Um, yes. Um, unpleasant or harmful people or things. Jenny. Did very badly, I just got stains. Stains and
27:34Susie? Um, sinuate, um, is in there. Not quite the same as insinuate. It means in zoological terms to have
27:41a wavy margin. Um, so something that is slightly zigzag.
27:45I see. Yeah, it's a description. Thank you. All right, so into the final letters game now. Morgan. Can I
27:52start with a vowel again, please, Rachel? Thank you, Morgan. E. And another.
27:56I. And a consonant. C. And another. N. And another. L. And a fourth. M. And a vowel. E. And
28:14another. U. And a final consonant, please. A final L.
28:21Countdown.
28:54Morgan. I'll try six.
28:56A six. Risky six.
28:58And Morgan? Iceman.
29:01Iceman. Curtis.
29:02Unlice.
29:04An Iceman is there.
29:06A man who sells or delivers ice, particularly in North America.
29:09I think you would de-louse rather than unlice, Curtis.
29:13It looked better written down than it did out loud.
29:15I'm sorry. Yes, not there.
29:17Bad luck.
29:18Bad luck. Now, Jenny and Susie. Jenny?
29:21There's something called a micellular blanket.
29:24Is it a wool? Micell? Micell?
29:27Yes, and you can get micellar water as well, can't you, I think.
29:30In chemical terms, micell is a collection of molecules in a solution,
29:35such as those formed by detergents.
29:38So I can get lots of different examples.
29:40Ah, ah. I've got it a bit wrong.
29:43I've got it quite wrong.
29:46But micell is a word, OK?
29:48Yes.
29:48I'm going to remember that and I'm going to use it in my next book.
29:50You don't use it in your current book, you're called Inheritance.
29:54Micell.
29:54No, I... No, weirdly enough, it's not.
29:57That word doesn't... It's a big book, it's got many words in it.
30:01An absolute page-turner, it says here.
30:03You can barely put it down.
30:07Is he struggling, struggling to put it down?
30:10There we are. Thank you.
30:1386 plays 24. Stop it, Jenny.
30:16Numbers game for Curtis.
30:18One large and five small, please, Rachel.
30:20Thank you, Curtis.
30:21Last one of the day, one from the top.
30:22Five little ones.
30:24And the selection is...
30:26Five, eight, nine, six, ten and 50.
30:32And the final target, 883...
30:35Eight... Eight-three.
30:38MUSIC PLAYS
31:07Well, Curtis, eight, seven, seven.
31:10Eight, seven, seven and...
31:12I think 882.
31:14Yes, let's try that.
31:1650 minus one is 49.
31:19So, six minus five to make the one.
31:2250 minus six minus five is 49.
31:2510 plus eight is 18.
31:26Yep.
31:27And then times them together to give 882.
31:28Yep, 882, one away.
31:31That's a winner.
31:33Although it's not perfect.
31:34Rachel, can you get 883 out of that for us?
31:36It's been a tricky day today.
31:38Leave it with me, Nick.
31:40Certainly I will.
31:4193 plays 24 as we go into the final round, chaps.
31:45Let's roll today's Countdown Conundrum.
31:52Morgan, Speedy Morgan.
31:54Manicable.
31:55Let's see whether you're right.
31:57No.
31:58No, Curtis.
32:27Curtis.
32:28Curtis.
32:29Just wanted to press the button.
32:31Well done.
32:38You just squeezed that in, didn't you?
32:40Anyway, well done.
32:41I hope you enjoyed it.
32:42Absolutely.
32:43I hope you enjoyed it.
32:44Listen, let's have a word with the audience,
32:45because our two great players couldn't manage it.
32:48I'm going to go to the gentleman right over there.
32:52Imbalance.
32:53Let's see whether you're right.
32:54Oh, you are inbound.
32:56Well done.
33:01Well done indeed.
33:03Morgan, you're back again.
33:05You're back again tomorrow.
33:07Look at that.
33:07Six wins.
33:08Fantastic.
33:09Played so well.
33:10I'll come back to you in a second.
33:11Curtis, you were good.
33:13You were good.
33:13He was always a point ahead.
33:17That's got to be infuriating.
33:19Yeah.
33:19You were coming at seven.
33:20He's got an eight.
33:21You were coming at six.
33:21He's got a seven.
33:22I thought we'd leave friends.
33:24I think you couldn't do well.
33:25But thank you very much indeed for coming.
33:27You take this goodie bag home to Chelmsford with our very, very best wishes.
33:32Thank you for coming.
33:34As I say, Morgan Sawyer, you've got six.
33:37You're after seven.
33:38And who knows?
33:39Fingers crossed.
33:40Absolutely.
33:41Well, well done.
33:42See you tomorrow.
33:43Jenny, you come back tomorrow?
33:44Yes, please.
33:45Indeed.
33:46Yes, certainly, please.
33:47And Susie too?
33:48Yes.
33:48Of course.
33:49And Rachel, Rachel, what news?
33:51Yes, last tricky one of the day.
33:53If you say nine times ten is 90, plus 50 for 140, plus eight for 148,
34:01times that by six for 888, and take away the five for 8835.
34:07Terrific.
34:12Thanks, Rachel.
34:13Thanks.
34:14See you tomorrow.
34:14See you then.
34:15Join us then, same time, same place.
34:17You be sure of it.
34:17A very good afternoon.
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