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#GuillermodelToro, the Oscar-winning director of #TheShapeofWater, joins #GoodOmens creator #NeilGaiman to share a list of films that provide a sense of hope in difficult times. Their picks include some of the top-rated films on IMDb as well as cult classics. The two visionary artists have teamed up with IMDb and the United Nations Refugee Agency to assemble this list and raise awareness for refugees and other vulnerable communities who have been especially effected by COVID -19. If you can help, please make a donation at: https://imdb.to/GDTNGYT

The conversation between del Toro and Gaiman explores the inherent hopefulness of films that place characters in harrowing situations. They begin by discussing #TheShawshankRedemption and the way the characters portrayed by Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman manage to find solace and friendship in confinement. In #Tampopo and #BabettesFeast they find hope and meaning in the importance of sharing a meal. Despite claims of Frank Capra’s work being lighter fare, del Toro insists that #ItsAWonderfulLife finds its strength in first dragging viewers to the lowest of lows before allowing the hope to shine through. Similarly, in discussing Jean Cocteau’s #BeautyandtheBeast, del Toro describes the French filmmaker's need to overcome great difficulty in real life in order to bring beauty to the screen.

According to Neil Gaiman, #AllThatJazz also manages to make stunning art out of a traumatic situation when Bob Fosse turns his own experience into a surrealist film. Gaiman also believes that Terry Gilliam’s #Brazil is a wonderful demonstration of how one must fight hard to defeat the forces that wish to squelch one’s dreams. And on the topic of “dreams you dare to dream,” del Toro brings new color to #TheWizardofOz with a powerful interpretation of the journey at the center of the film.

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00:00You know, when you talk about despair, you sound instantly intelligent.
00:04Sorry.
00:06Your camera's gone off, Guillermo.
00:08I know.
00:15Hello, everybody.
00:16I am Neil Gaiman, and I have the absolute honor and delight and pleasure
00:22to be here virtually with my old friend, Guillermo del Toro.
00:28How are you, my friend?
00:29We seldom are in the same place, you and I, and welcome this.
00:34So we're here today to talk about some of our favorite films that inspire hope for us.
00:41And the reason we're doing it is because COVID-19 has shown us all how incredibly interconnected we are.
00:49And we're also here under the aegis of UNHCR, the United Nations Refugee Agency,
00:54because people fleeing war, having to leave their homes, having to leave their cities and
01:00go somewhere else, they are even more vulnerable than they have ever been before.
01:04And the refugees that I've met, they are people who inspire hope.
01:09And I thought it would be great just to talk about films that give us hope.
01:13What was the first film that gives you hope?
01:15One of the movies that pops to mind immediately for me in this sense is Shawshank Redemption.
01:23Because evidently, we're talking about systemic, a systemic adversity, which is prison.
01:30It is not only a place, but it is a routine, a circumstance that is made to be unbreakable, right?
01:43And I think it's a good movie to talk about or to think about because in this case,
01:51for most of the movie, the character, the main character remains in prison, right?
01:58And it's only at the end that he manages to escape with spoilers ahead.
02:04But the beauty of that is that his hope is a type of hope that is rare and gorgeous and
02:12beautiful and inspiring, which is intimate.
02:15He does not much share it with everyone.
02:20He doesn't proselytize about it.
02:23He doesn't scream it.
02:26There's a great moment in which he plays a small opera, a portion of an opera, and the
02:33whole patio is liberated, and the camera sweeps and swoons with this music and flies above
02:42the prison walls.
02:44And it's a moment of pure cinema.
02:46But it's also a moment in which the camera very deliberately transcends the point of view
02:53from the floor.
02:54You know, it just flies like the spirit.
02:56I tell you, those voices soared higher and farther than anybody in a great place dares
03:02to dream.
03:02I find that it came to mind because constantly, that hope is tested.
03:08You know, that essential core of this character gets tested.
03:15And it was true in the book also.
03:17I remember reading the book when it came out, different seasons.
03:21And it was, in a way, a lot of people said, oh, this is so different from Stephen King.
03:27And I said, I don't think it is.
03:28I remember Steve once telling me that he was in a supermarket and a little old lady came
03:37up and told him off.
03:40She's like, you're Stephen King.
03:42You make all those scary, awful films.
03:44You should make something nice, like that nice Shawshank Redemption film.
03:49And I love that.
03:51I love that he got told off.
03:52And I love that that was what they used to tell him off, because that's also, Steve,
03:56he always is a writer about hope.
03:59I think hope is so key to everything he's done.
04:03Most, most every character or hope is dangled above them or is either unreachable or is reachable,
04:13but is always dangled above them.
04:15It can be the main character in Christine.
04:17It can be the kids in Stand By Me, but it's always there in some form.
04:22And I think with Shawshank, you know, Shawshank has characteristics that are interesting for
04:30me, because it's the distillation of every prison movie ever made.
04:36And in many, many ways, you get the cliches, and they are reenacted in a new way, in a human
04:43way, and it cracks out of, they crack out of their shell, you know, they are made whole
04:50again, which is the virtue of the singer singing the song.
04:54It doesn't matter if it's been sung before, is that he or she or she renews the song.
05:02He makes it whole again.
05:04And the words have a different meaning.
05:06And this movie is a, it touches every single form and point of a prison movie and then takes
05:16them further, you know, because it doesn't stay there.
05:20It takes them further.
05:21And I think I always find at the core of films about hope, almost always there's a core of
05:31friendship or of human relationships.
05:34You know, in this case, the friendship with Morgan Freeman's character, Red, which is essential,
05:41essential, and which whom without, he may not have made it, not only because of the circumstance
05:48of the hammer or the material things, but because he falls basically in love with humanity,
05:56embodied by the person next to him.
06:00I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really.
06:03Get busy living, or get busy dying.
06:07And I think if you can think of other movies, Humberto D, you know, the friendship with the
06:15little dog, if you can think of Knights of Kaviria, and many of the movies that come to mind to
06:21me, when I think of hope is human friendship, and you know, if people believe that hell is
06:28others, so is heaven.
06:31And it really is something, it's so easy.
06:36I think people make all kinds of pretexts not to turn the switch on.
06:42They can say all the reasons why they want to turn the switch on, but it is a switch.
06:46I love that.
06:47I love that.
06:48My first movie of hope is all about friendship, too.
06:56And it's Tempopo by Juzo Hitami.
07:07It's about making noodles.
07:09It's about making good noodles.
07:12It's about how we as human beings relate to food, how we bond over food, how food becomes
07:20a story for us.
07:21And the action of eating together is something that makes us more than just individuals on
07:33desert islands.
07:34Food is storytelling.
07:35When you come to my house, which you have, and you eat a dish, a Mexican dish that you
07:40have never tried, you understand a lot of my story already immediately.
07:46There is no more beautiful thing than to feed the other.
07:54And there's a moment in it where the person who is very obviously the bad guy stops being
08:02the bad guy, which is just wonderful.
08:07It's one of the very few films that I can think of where, you know, there's a line that
08:15Richard Curtis once said to me about films.
08:17He said, somebody changing their minds is more powerful than a thrown punch.
08:22And what's wonderful about Hitami's movie is there are all of these thrown punches in
08:30there, but every time somebody changes their mind about something or somebody learns something
08:35or somebody uses their brain, the film just comes to life and lights up like magic.
08:48I'm going to move one up.
08:52I have this a little further down the list, but I'm going to move it up because it's a corollary
08:59to what you just said.
09:01And that's Babette's feast.
09:02And what feels like the greatest culinary finish?
09:07We exist, I believe, always permanently in two planes, no matter who you are and no matter
09:15what your circumstance is.
09:16You exist in two planes, the real and the symbolic.
09:20And the symbolic has the power to transcend the real as a cipher and a symbol to others.
09:28And Babette's feast says salvation lies without, meaning the things that will most enrich you
09:38are the things that you don't do for you, that you do for others.
09:47Babette's feast is this beautiful, closed universe, like prison.
09:56It's a closed universe of mores and morals and rigidity.
10:01And in comes this nugget, this drop of water that ripples the whole community.
10:09It reminds me of other of Isaac Dinsen's stories where these things ripple out.
10:16And through food, she gives everybody hope and the desire to live.
10:21I love that you're talking about existing on a symbolic plane as well as a real plane
10:35and how the symbolism is as important, because the next film that I'd chosen,
10:42and it is a hopeful film, despite the fact it's also one of the darkest films I know,
10:49is Terry Gilliam's Brazil.
10:50Of course it is, yes.
10:52It's a film about a man who has dreams and lives on a symbolic level
10:56and is in a 1984-like world, much like the one we're in,
11:07and has to rebel against the system.
11:10We did it!
11:11We broke right through the we did it!
11:13We, we, we, we, we, we!
11:14And it's about his symbolic triumph over the forces that would destroy him.
11:21And about the idea that our dreams at the end are what give us power.
11:27Again, spoiling the ending very slightly,
11:33Michael Palin's lovely, sweet, neighborly family man torturer
11:39is out to break Jonathan Pryce, our hero.
11:44A decent fellow, Michael.
11:46A very decent fellow, and you understand him, and he's doing, only doing his job.
11:52And that price evades and survives, and how he does it
12:01is, for me, the key to humanity.
12:03It's about not giving up.
12:06It's about holding to your dreams,
12:10and it's about not letting the forces that would break you, break you.
12:16And there's so much hope in that, and so much inspiration in that film.
12:19I agree with you.
12:20And it's so funny.
12:22We live now in a moment of decent monsters, you know,
12:27in which monsters and monstrous concepts can be shopped around
12:33in the name of a decency that surpasses the right to be human, I find.
12:39And this fellow, this nice torturer, as you call him, you know,
12:45it's, you know, the difference, the beauty is that he is with the system,
12:51and that makes it immediately, at a symbolical level,
12:56be against life and individuality, and the possibility of individuality.
13:01No matter which concept makes you fall on the side of rigidity.
13:07You know, I remember the Tao, the Tao says,
13:10rigidity is the nature of death, and flexibility is the nature of life.
13:14That which is rigid will break.
13:16That which is supple will bend but never break.
13:19And I think what is beautiful about this is the spirit.
13:25They get Jonathan Pryce, they get him brainwashed.
13:30But the final shot, when the camera is pulling out,
13:33and you hear Brazil in the most beautiful orchestration,
13:37and the place is replaced by the clouds.
13:40I saw that movie, if I may talk about your movie for a second,
13:44I saw that movie alone in a multiplex in Texas,
13:49and I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
13:52And it changed my life.
13:54It's one of the 10 or 12 movies that have simply made me a different person.
13:59And I thought, this embodies what I want to talk about.
14:06I want to talk about this absolutely horrible struggle
14:10that is being yourself, you know?
14:14Which is our daily problem.
14:18Every day, we struggle to exist.
14:21Well, I suppose we're all human.
14:23And that, I think, leads me to my next movie,
14:27which is curious.
14:29It's a curious choice, perhaps.
14:31It's Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life.
14:34Now, Capra has been the victim of a lot of misconceptions.
14:39They used to call his movies Capricorn, right?
14:42Because they were corny.
14:44But the fact is that he is one of the darkest filmmakers, too.
14:49In order to get to a place of hope,
14:52he drags you into an absolute nightmare world.
14:59And it tells you that the essence of the human spirit,
15:03which is something I completely believe, is choice.
15:06You know, and you have a man that has been imprisoned,
15:10not physically like in Shawshank,
15:13but has been imprisoned by his choices.
15:15James Stewart, he has chosen at every turn,
15:19family, work, all these choices of the common man,
15:25the man that seeks to belong in a community.
15:29And he feels completely suffocated by them.
15:34And the movie then shows him what the world would be
15:38if he had not lived.
15:39You know, and we catch him at the moment
15:42where he's contemplating killing himself.
15:45And we catch him at the moment where he decides to live again.
15:49The level of nightmare that Capra creates,
15:53the oppression of that alternate world
15:56is absolutely essential for our discussion
16:00because we all feel small.
16:03We all feel like we cannot do enough.
16:05And, you know, it's not, it's a sophism.
16:10It's a fallacy at the end of the day.
16:13It is all about interconnection, that film.
16:16It says that you cannot take one person out,
16:19that this is, we aren't islands.
16:22We aren't, we think we're individuals.
16:26And actually we have, us simply by being there,
16:29simply by trying to do good things,
16:32simply by trying to do,
16:34make the world a little bit better,
16:35we are having effects that we cannot imagine.
16:38Each man's life touches so many other lives.
16:41So I love that you picked It's a Wonderful Life.
16:45I feel this is kind of like,
16:47there's a ping pong quality to this I wasn't expecting.
16:51And a feeling that, well, I'm giving you
16:53and you're giving me and then I give you something back.
16:56Because my next film is a weirdly,
17:02the hope in it is one of the most hopeful films I know,
17:06but the hope is all meta.
17:08And it's All That Jazz, Bob Fosse's film.
17:11It's about a guy who is, he's a director,
17:15he's making a Broadway show,
17:17he's cutting his film together,
17:19he's putting together a new show,
17:21he's overworking, he has a heart attack,
17:23and then a long musical sequence and then he dies.
17:25I've given away the blog.
17:26He didn't know where the games ended
17:28and the reality began.
17:30And you go, where's the hope?
17:32And for me, I look at that film
17:35as one of the most inspiring and hopeful films ever,
17:37because that was Bob Fosse's life.
17:41And he had the heart attack,
17:42but it wasn't fatal.
17:44He survived.
17:46And he took that and he made art.
17:49And he took his experience,
17:51he took everything in that film
17:54as part of Fosse's life,
17:57just slightly changed just enough
18:00so that nobody's going to sue him about it.
18:02So Lenny Bruce film he's making
18:03becomes a film about another comedian.
18:05Chicago becomes a slightly different musical.
18:08At least three people said
18:09how much they liked the screening.
18:11It's a film about surviving
18:13and taking the things
18:15that have completely messed up your life,
18:16the things you've done to mess up your own life,
18:20the things that hurt you,
18:21the things that could have killed you.
18:23And then the hope and inspiration for me comes
18:27because he took all that
18:28and he made art
18:29and he made something magical.
18:31And I look at that film
18:32and it always gives me hope
18:35and it always inspires me.
18:36I agree with that
18:38because that's a movie,
18:39look,
18:42it's sort of a completely wild,
18:46enormously accelerating variation
18:50of eight and a half in many ways.
18:52But what it does
18:53that is fantastic to me
18:55is that it tells you
18:57every flaw
18:59of the central character
19:00and exposes them
19:03and still
19:05he tells you
19:07life was worth living.
19:09It's showtime, folks.
19:11My final movie,
19:12weirdly,
19:14I think of in the same kind of way
19:16because it's Jean Cocteau's
19:18Belle et Belle,
19:19Beauty and the Beast.
19:20This magical fairy tale film.
19:22I look at how it was made
19:24and the circumstances
19:25in which it was made.
19:26Post-war in France,
19:28they have no money.
19:29And yet,
19:30Cocteau can look at things
19:32like hanging sheets on a line
19:34and create beauty.
19:36So,
19:37this beast wasn't a ferocious beast?
19:39No, Ludovic.
19:41It's a good beast.
19:42And in everything he does,
19:45there's a triumph
19:46of the filmmaker's intelligence,
19:50a triumph of ideas
19:52over obstacles,
19:56a willingness to create magic
20:00in the face of adversity.
20:02And that he made something
20:05that I think is one of the
20:06triumphant films
20:07of the 20th century,
20:09probably the greatest fairy tale film
20:11I,
20:13Pan's Labyrinth too,
20:15but it is,
20:17I mean it,
20:19but it is really,
20:23Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast
20:24is so special
20:26and so remarkable
20:27and that he made it
20:30gives me hope
20:31and inspires me
20:33and shows that
20:34people working together
20:36can take incredibly
20:39limited resources
20:40and use them
20:42to create
20:42something bigger
20:44than themselves,
20:45something huge
20:46and something that lasts.
20:53perhaps pertinent
20:54to our discussion
20:55is that all movies,
20:56all movies,
20:57good ones,
20:58bad ones,
20:59Sunday ones,
21:00deep ones,
21:01art has our hope
21:04because art is hope
21:05and if we eliminate
21:06the possibility
21:09of communicating like that,
21:10we lose hope.
21:11What movie gives you hope
21:12no matter what the day is,
21:15what it embodies
21:17and whether it's
21:19a studio movie
21:20or an independent,
21:21which movie
21:22embodies cinema
21:23in many ways for me
21:24is The Wizard of Oz.
21:26You know,
21:27it's a movie
21:28that is about a road
21:31and the similar people
21:33being in it
21:34with completely
21:35different goals
21:37going to a place
21:39of hope
21:39and then the hope
21:40says to them,
21:41I'm counterfeit.
21:43Pay no attention
21:44to that man
21:45behind the curtain.
21:46But guess what?
21:47The journey,
21:48that road
21:49and you,
21:51each other,
21:53fulfilled
21:53every wish you had.
21:56And I always think
21:57it's an incredibly
21:59deep movie.
22:00I always think
22:01it has what
22:03best fairy tales have
22:04which is poignancy
22:05and beauty.
22:06You know,
22:07and what it does
22:09is it does it
22:11at a grand scale.
22:13I would agree
22:14with you on Beauty
22:15and the Beast
22:15a hundred percent.
22:17It's one of my
22:18top three movies
22:20of all times.
22:21And this,
22:23I think,
22:24is very different
22:27but
22:28I,
22:28I,
22:29I,
22:29I am like,
22:30like most Mexicans
22:32I,
22:32I,
22:32I partake with,
22:34I,
22:34I sing a lot.
22:36I sing a lot.
22:37And I sing a lot
22:39of Mexican songs
22:40but one song
22:41that always
22:42gives me hope
22:44is
22:44Over the Rainbow.
22:47Somewhere
22:49Over the Rainbow.
22:52That movie
22:53and that song
22:54to me
22:55when I'm down
22:56they lift me up.
22:58So
22:58it's not so much
22:59about hope
23:01maybe
23:01but it,
23:02it incarnates hope
23:04in many ways
23:04for me.
23:06It is so hopeful.
23:09You know,
23:10I,
23:10I remember
23:11my daughter Holly
23:12who is now
23:13in her mid-30s
23:14when she was
23:15a tiny child
23:18she
23:18found
23:19The Wizard of Oz
23:20and it became
23:21the video we had
23:22of Wizard of Oz
23:23was her movie
23:24and she would watch it
23:26over and over
23:27and over again
23:27which meant that
23:28I had to watch it
23:29over and over
23:30and over again
23:31and
23:32I discovered
23:34with a certain
23:35amount of joy
23:36that The Wizard of Oz
23:37is pretty much
23:38infinitely rewatchable.
23:39You can find
23:40something new.
23:41There is so much
23:43packed
23:44into that film
23:45and
23:46there are so many
23:47films
23:48especially films
23:50for kids
23:50that they make now
23:51where
23:52you
23:53you watch it once
23:55and then
23:55maybe the second time
23:56it's given everything up.
23:58There isn't anything
23:58more for you
23:59but
23:59Wizard of Oz
24:02always gives more
24:03and
24:05and the performances
24:06are so glorious
24:07the production design
24:09is remarkable
24:10and
24:10there's so much
24:12in it
24:13and as you say
24:14that idea
24:15at the end
24:16that
24:18it is inside you
24:19you could have
24:20gone home
24:20all the time
24:21but actually
24:21you needed
24:22the journey
24:23and you needed
24:24to learn
24:24the things
24:25that you learned
24:26on the journey
24:27in order to go home.
24:28That's all it is.
24:30But that's so easy.
24:31I should have
24:32thought of it
24:33boy
24:33I should have
24:34felt it in my heart.
24:35No she had to
24:36find it out
24:36for herself.
24:37Guillermo
24:38thank you so much
24:40for talking to me
24:41about movies
24:42of hope
24:42and I think
24:43especially as we all
24:45face a pandemic
24:46together
24:47it's so good
24:49to talk about
24:49these themes
24:50of hope
24:51of inspiration
24:52solidarity
24:53while
24:54COVID-19
24:55has affected us all
24:56it's especially
24:57affected refugees.
24:59The UN's
25:00COVID-19
25:01Solidarity Response Fund
25:03for the World Health Organization
25:04is working
25:05to protect
25:06the most
25:06vulnerable people
25:07in the world
25:08including refugees.
25:09If you can help
25:10just please make a donation
25:12at
25:15covid19responsefund.org
25:17and share
25:18your
25:18Films of Hope
25:19with the hashtag
25:20Films of Hope.
25:22Guillermo
25:23talking to you
25:24is such a delight.
25:26I have a blast.
25:28Well thank you everyone.
25:29Thank you Guillermo.
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