Diabolical The Epstein Files 2026

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00:00:11Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just talk, let's give some basics.

00:00:15Remember, when you're answering these questions, I'm not in the shot, and they're never going to hear my voice.

00:00:21Oh, hold on. Okay.

00:00:23The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein, other than a predator, is mysterious.

00:00:30How did he become so wealthy?

00:00:33How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles?

00:00:38How did he get away without being caught for so long?

00:00:49I never could have anticipated how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.

00:00:58There's something deeply fucked up with you.

00:01:01At least something.

00:01:02Well, we know there are things deeply fucked up with us that you will get through in this film, right?

00:01:06Where I come from, you don't kill my brother and look away from that.

00:01:12What are the Epstein files?

00:01:15The Epstein files are all the information that the government has regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators.

00:01:25Photographic evidence.

00:01:27Interviews of victims.

00:01:29Emails written to him.

00:01:30Text messages.

00:01:32Court documents.

00:01:33FBI reports.

00:01:35And it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined.

00:01:41People want to see names.

00:01:43They want to know who the sex traffickers are.

00:01:45They want to know who the pedophiles are.

00:01:47And they want vengeance.

00:01:50Do you know the names of powerful people who have not yet been named publicly?

00:01:56Yes.

00:01:57Congressman Conor.

00:01:59Hello, I'm Grace Tobin from Australia.

00:02:02Why do you think it's a fight that has united a very divided political spectrum here?

00:02:07You can't rape underage girls.

00:02:09You can't cover that up.

00:02:11Trump opened up Pandora's box.

00:02:14He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it.

00:02:18But the curse is not going back into the box.

00:02:22I don't understand why the president fought it so hard.

00:02:25Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened.

00:02:33Why would he cover this up?

00:02:35I think he's protecting rich and powerful men who participated in sex trafficking.

00:02:41Three million pages.

00:02:44180,000 images.

00:02:46The latest dump from the Epstein files after weeks of political pressure.

00:02:51That moment created global shockwaves.

00:02:54A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.

00:02:57Norway's crown princess is facing intense scrutiny.

00:03:01Extraordinary news out of the UK.

00:03:03The former Prince Andrew has been arrested.

00:03:05The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story.

00:03:09You have to understand how the Epstein files fit into what Epstein was doing and the failures of the U

00:03:14.S. government and doing their job.

00:03:17The Epstein story has one man at its center.

00:03:21One spider in the center of the web.

00:03:24But that web could not have been constructed without complicity.

00:03:31Do you think you're the devil himself?

00:03:34No, but I do have a good mirror.

00:03:59We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington.

00:04:01Over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

00:04:03Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy will be here on Capitol Hill.

00:04:08Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors.

00:04:1224 of whom are now re-upping their demand that Congress release all of the Epstein files.

00:04:17It's an honor to stand here for something America is finally united on.

00:04:23The immediate release of the entire Epstein files.

00:04:29There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and they say other men.

00:04:37They've wanted justice, and they've fought very hard for it.

00:04:41We are more than victims.

00:04:43We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends, and we will not be erased.

00:04:48Some of these women have been at this 20 years.

00:04:52Some of them had, I believe, almost given up.

00:04:56But the fact that they were invited to the Capitol of the United States to speak truth to power,

00:05:02and that every media outlet, you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts.

00:05:11This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.

00:05:17This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.

00:05:21A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly.

00:05:25My name is Dani Benski.

00:05:27This was me at 17 years old.

00:05:30So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other

00:05:34and saying to the world, like, there's more of us than you thought.

00:05:40My name is Marina Lacerda.

00:05:41I was Minor Victim 1.

00:05:43My name is Jenna Lisa Jones, and I was only 14 years old.

00:05:47My name is Shantae Davies.

00:05:49My name is Laura Bloom McGee.

00:05:51My name is Haley Robson.

00:05:52My name is Anushka DiGiorgio.

00:05:53My name is Courtney White.

00:05:55My name is Lisa Phillips.

00:05:56My name is Ashley Rubright, and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:06:05When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator,

00:06:08you just have this bond with the other survivors.

00:06:13We understand each other like nobody else can.

00:06:21It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here.

00:06:30It took an incredible outcry from the public, huge political will,

00:06:36and it took the blood, sweat, and tears of the survivors,

00:06:39and that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here.

00:07:04So we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright,

00:07:08who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein,

00:07:11and she's only just started speaking out publicly about what happened to her.

00:07:17I think we're this house here.

00:07:22Hi, Ashley.

00:07:23How are you?

00:07:24Good, how are you?

00:07:24It's nice to meet you.

00:07:25It's so nice to meet you.

00:07:26Thank you so much for having us.

00:07:28Of course.

00:07:29Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it?

00:07:31Yes.

00:07:37When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?

00:07:41So it was about 2002 to 2003,

00:07:45and I would have been about 15.

00:07:53I was going to Summit Christian School.

00:07:59I was a cheerleader.

00:08:01I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.

00:08:06I was working at a barbecue restaurant,

00:08:10and one of my co-workers,

00:08:12he asked me one day in the restaurant

00:08:14if I would like to give a man a massage for $200.

00:08:21I thought about it for a second and said, sure.

00:08:32I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach.

00:08:39And we were led into the kitchen.

00:08:45And then Sarah Kellen came in,

00:08:48his assistant,

00:08:49said it was time.

00:08:55And Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs.

00:09:02I didn't look around.

00:09:03I was just looking down,

00:09:04so all I remember was the pink carpet

00:09:06on the spiral staircase.

00:09:15And she opened the door and said,

00:09:17all right, I'll be back in an hour.

00:09:23I was shocked

00:09:25when I walked into the bathroom.

00:09:31But then I calmed myself down,

00:09:33thinking, of course he's naked,

00:09:35because that's how people get massages.

00:09:38And I should just not be so shocked.

00:09:46He just kind of laid on the table.

00:09:49And then he told me how to massage him.

00:09:56Then he flipped over.

00:10:03And things got really way more inappropriate there.

00:10:10And he asked me to take off my bra

00:10:17and to pull up my skirt.

00:10:26And he was touching himself the whole time.

00:10:30I was just trying not to look.

00:10:33And he would grab me,

00:10:37grab my behind.

00:10:39And I was just trying to not be there,

00:10:46you know, at that time.

00:10:49And he finished and hopped up.

00:10:55And then Sarah came in

00:10:59and led me back downstairs.

00:11:04I felt shocked.

00:11:06And then I remember

00:11:09trying to rationalize it.

00:11:12It had to have just been like a flu,

00:11:15a one-time

00:11:17thing that he just couldn't control.

00:11:22I did go back one more time.

00:11:25The second time,

00:11:26it escalated.

00:11:29I just remember

00:11:30Jeffrey bringing over a basket

00:11:32and asking me to pick one

00:11:34and asking me

00:11:35if I knew how to use it.

00:11:37And

00:11:39he had me sit on the bathroom floor

00:11:41and he sat on the edge

00:11:43of the massage table.

00:11:45And I remember what happened.

00:11:48A basket of sex toys.

00:11:51Yes.

00:11:51Thank you for saying that.

00:11:53That's okay.

00:12:01So this was 2000.

00:12:05And these are all just, like, happy messages.

00:12:09I read some of my yearbooks

00:12:12and it was such a drastic change.

00:12:18Right after Jeffrey,

00:12:21the messages,

00:12:23even my face,

00:12:24everything had started to just look darker.

00:12:29This one says,

00:12:31we had fun

00:12:31when you're not so mad

00:12:33or you're sweet

00:12:34when you're not mad.

00:12:35Yeah.

00:12:37I was angry

00:12:38and I,

00:12:40I didn't care

00:12:41who got the brunt of it

00:12:44at all.

00:12:45Yeah.

00:12:47I stopped cheerleading.

00:12:50I stopped dance.

00:12:52And

00:12:53I kind of went from, like,

00:12:57trying to do

00:12:58good

00:12:59to just not caring.

00:13:04Did you tell anyone

00:13:06what happened to you?

00:13:07Just my friend, Sean.

00:13:09But nobody else.

00:13:13I didn't think there was a story

00:13:15to tell,

00:13:15really,

00:13:16you know?

00:13:25Mr. Epstein,

00:13:26is it true you were born

00:13:27January 20th,

00:13:291953?

00:13:30Yes.

00:13:31Where?

00:13:32New York.

00:13:34Where in New York?

00:13:36Brooklyn.

00:13:49Hey, Adam.

00:13:50Hi, Grace.

00:13:51How are you?

00:13:51Pleasure to meet you.

00:13:52Nice to meet you, too.

00:13:53Thanks so much for doing this with us.

00:13:55My pleasure.

00:13:56My pleasure.

00:14:00Adam,

00:14:01can you

00:14:01tell me a bit about

00:14:03yourself?

00:14:04Well,

00:14:04I've been a legal journalist

00:14:06for close to two decades now,

00:14:08and the Southern District of New York

00:14:10was my longtime beat.

00:14:12So you see

00:14:13a lot of cases

00:14:15of national

00:14:17and international significance

00:14:18going into that court,

00:14:20and one of them

00:14:20just happened to be Epstein's.

00:14:30We are

00:14:31in Coney Island.

00:14:33Tony Island, Brooklyn.

00:14:43We're right near

00:14:45where

00:14:46Jeffrey Epstein

00:14:47grew up,

00:14:49and this is actually

00:14:50the Seagate community

00:14:52in the distance right there,

00:14:54Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.

00:15:02Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing

00:15:04in an immigrant community

00:15:05in Brooklyn.

00:15:07His father worked

00:15:08at the New York City Parks Department.

00:15:09His mother worked at a school,

00:15:12and he had a younger brother,

00:15:14Mark.

00:15:16He had a lifelong fascination

00:15:18with math,

00:15:19and by all accounts

00:15:21was pretty good at it.

00:15:26This is the Dalton Prep School.

00:15:31It is where he got his first job.

00:15:36Even though he was a college dropout,

00:15:39his first job was at a very prestigious school

00:15:42where he was a math teacher.

00:15:45One of the parents of a student

00:15:47introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns,

00:15:50a man named Ace Greenberg,

00:15:52where he got his first job

00:15:54on Wall Street.

00:15:55Why are we doing something

00:15:57with General Motors?

00:15:58General Motors?

00:15:59We got more behind you.

00:16:05We are on Wall Street

00:16:08where Jeffrey Epstein

00:16:09made his fortune.

00:16:14He was, by all accounts,

00:16:16very charming.

00:16:18Jeffrey Epstein

00:16:19tried to,

00:16:20throughout his life,

00:16:21make connections

00:16:22with people

00:16:22with money and power.

00:16:25He was able to get people

00:16:27to trust him very quickly.

00:16:32He won the trust

00:16:34of billionaires

00:16:35like Leslie Wexner

00:16:36who gave him power of attorney.

00:16:38He won the trust

00:16:40of Leon Black

00:16:42who paid him

00:16:44hundreds of millions of dollars

00:16:46far above the market rate.

00:16:49And from there,

00:16:50there is a lot of mystery,

00:16:53but we're getting a picture

00:16:55more and more

00:16:56of him finagling people,

00:16:59wheeling and dealing,

00:17:01and ultimately became

00:17:03fabulously wealthy.

00:17:05This is Jeffrey Epstein's

00:17:07Upper East Side townhouse,

00:17:10mansion,

00:17:10and the famous lantern

00:17:15and the famous lantern

00:17:15over the door.

00:17:17He had a massage room

00:17:18in there.

00:17:21He had the dining room

00:17:23where he entertained.

00:17:26I mean,

00:17:27the photos really do

00:17:28tell the story.

00:17:33Jeffrey Epstein

00:17:34met Ghislaine Maxwell

00:17:35in the early 1990s.

00:17:39As the daughter

00:17:40of a media tycoon

00:17:41with a British accent,

00:17:43she brought something

00:17:43that Jeffrey Epstein

00:17:44didn't have,

00:17:45access to the elite.

00:17:52They socialized

00:17:53with politicians,

00:17:55with big names

00:17:56in academia,

00:17:57finance,

00:17:57you name it.

00:17:58Whether it was

00:17:59the man known at the time

00:18:00as Prince Andrew

00:18:02or whether it was

00:18:04former President

00:18:05Bill Clinton.

00:18:07He had his private island

00:18:10in the U.S. Virgin Islands,

00:18:12a ranch outside

00:18:14of Santa Fe,

00:18:15property in Palm Beach

00:18:17and in Paris.

00:18:22He was flaunting

00:18:24his jet-setting lifestyle

00:18:26and his massive wealth.

00:18:36He was a man

00:18:37who gave me

00:18:37like he loved me.

00:18:38I thought we...

00:18:42Okay, so now

00:18:43I'm walking towards

00:18:44the Lily Pond.

00:18:47I'm here

00:18:48on the beach

00:18:48by myself.

00:18:50This is my swimming pool,

00:18:52my beach.

00:18:53No one's allowed

00:18:54to dock here.

00:18:57The luncheon place

00:18:59the nursery

00:19:02and the point there

00:19:03is the library.

00:19:09It's an honor

00:19:10to stand here again

00:19:11for something

00:19:12America's finally

00:19:13united on.

00:19:15The immediate release

00:19:16of the entire

00:19:17editing files.

00:19:25So these are just

00:19:26my involving pictures.

00:19:27Mm-hmm.

00:19:27Like when I started out,

00:19:29this is when I was 17.

00:19:32I would send these

00:19:33to modeling agencies

00:19:35to get started.

00:19:36Mm-hmm.

00:19:37I was a fashion model

00:19:38in New York,

00:19:39had worked my way up

00:19:40since I was 15

00:19:41or 16 years old.

00:19:42So this was

00:19:43from the actual week

00:19:44I met Jeffrey.

00:19:45Ah.

00:19:46The year 2000,

00:19:48and I had booked

00:19:49like a really big job.

00:19:50Our agent at the time,

00:19:52Jeff,

00:19:52sent us to Tortola

00:19:54on the Caribbean Sea.

00:19:59Tortola was a small island.

00:20:01There was really

00:20:02not that much

00:20:02to do there.

00:20:03So the other model

00:20:04was like,

00:20:04you know,

00:20:05we have a free day tomorrow.

00:20:06She was just suggesting

00:20:07we go see her friend,

00:20:08you know,

00:20:09Jeffrey Epstein

00:20:09that owned

00:20:10an island nearby.

00:20:13Yeah,

00:20:13we were both

00:20:13like maybe 22 years old.

00:20:17Spent the day

00:20:17just like playing

00:20:18in the pool

00:20:19and the ocean

00:20:19and there I met

00:20:21two other

00:20:22young blonde girls.

00:20:25Went to dinner

00:20:25that evening

00:20:26and I met

00:20:27Jeffrey Epstein.

00:20:29He was laser focused

00:20:31on me

00:20:32and asking

00:20:33so many questions

00:20:34about my childhood

00:20:35and my dreams

00:20:36and aspirations.

00:20:38I told him

00:20:39in that time

00:20:39that we had shared

00:20:40on the island

00:20:40that I wanted

00:20:41to be a Ford model

00:20:42and I kind of

00:20:43built up this trust

00:20:44with this man.

00:20:49Getting ready

00:20:49to go to sleep

00:20:50there just was

00:20:51a knock at the door

00:20:51and one of the other

00:20:53young girls

00:20:53poked her head in

00:20:54and was like,

00:20:55Jeffrey's ready

00:20:55for his massage now.

00:20:57And I'm just like,

00:20:57okay,

00:20:58well you go ahead,

00:20:58I'm going to bed.

00:20:59And she was just like,

00:21:00no,

00:21:01he said for you

00:21:02to give the massage.

00:21:05Long story short,

00:21:06like I just had to go.

00:21:09And so I experienced,

00:21:11you know,

00:21:11sexual abuse

00:21:13that evening

00:21:14from Jeffrey.

00:21:15and the other girl

00:21:16that was there.

00:21:40I think when you're younger,

00:21:41you always blame yourself.

00:21:43Like, what did I do?

00:21:43Was I flirting with this guy?

00:21:44Like, I went home

00:21:45and I kind of wanted

00:21:46nothing to do with him

00:21:47after that.

00:21:49And a few months

00:21:50had passed

00:21:51and he called me.

00:21:55A lot of my modeling

00:21:56castings would be

00:21:57here in Soho.

00:21:59Right up here,

00:22:00when I was walking,

00:22:00right up here

00:22:01was where I got

00:22:01the call from Jeffrey.

00:22:03He was very brief

00:22:05and to the point

00:22:05that he had remembered,

00:22:07you know,

00:22:08my goals and ambitions

00:22:09that I told him

00:22:09on the island,

00:22:10that I wanted to be

00:22:10a Ford model,

00:22:11big dream of mine,

00:22:12and that he knew

00:22:14the owner

00:22:14of the Ford modeling agency

00:22:15and for me to go over there

00:22:17and meet with her.

00:22:19And I was just thinking

00:22:20whatever happened

00:22:21to me on the island

00:22:22wasn't good,

00:22:23but maybe he was

00:22:24trying to make up for it,

00:22:25you know,

00:22:26by saying,

00:22:27oh, I remember your goal.

00:22:28Well, I can help you out.

00:22:30During that time,

00:22:32were you ever abused

00:22:34by Epstein again

00:22:35or any men

00:22:37in his orbit?

00:22:38So, yeah,

00:22:39I was abused

00:22:40by him again

00:22:40and through his connections

00:22:43where he would send me

00:22:44on auditions

00:22:45and things.

00:22:46But back then,

00:22:47I wasn't aware

00:22:48that I was trafficked.

00:22:51Can you explain

00:22:52a bit more

00:22:53about how the trafficking

00:22:54operation worked?

00:22:56Well, auditions

00:22:57are castings

00:22:57by Epstein.

00:22:58So it's like,

00:22:59oh,

00:22:59let me just send you.

00:23:00My friend is casting

00:23:01a really big film

00:23:02right now

00:23:03and you're sent somewhere

00:23:04where all of a sudden

00:23:06your proposition

00:23:07for sex

00:23:08and the people around you

00:23:09are enforcing it.

00:23:14Just thought

00:23:15it was the business.

00:23:16Just thought

00:23:16I was going to a casting,

00:23:17an audition,

00:23:18working,

00:23:19and that's kind of

00:23:20how some of the older men

00:23:21were, just creepy

00:23:22and I never connected it

00:23:24to a more nefarious ring

00:23:25that involved

00:23:27modeling agencies

00:23:28and Epstein.

00:23:30There were hundreds

00:23:31of girls

00:23:32from these Eastern European

00:23:34countries

00:23:34sent to Paris,

00:23:36sent to New York.

00:23:37You know,

00:23:38they were doing

00:23:38quite abusive things

00:23:39to these models.

00:23:41It was like

00:23:42a well-oiled machine.

00:23:46Fast forward

00:23:47a few years later,

00:23:49I had a girlfriend

00:23:50who was also involved

00:23:52in this Epstein world.

00:23:54She had came to me

00:23:55one evening

00:23:56and said that

00:23:57Jeffrey had made her

00:23:58go into a room

00:23:58made to go have sex

00:24:00with somebody

00:24:01and so

00:24:02she at that time

00:24:03was scared.

00:24:05I became scared

00:24:06and we kind of

00:24:07both kind of moved

00:24:08out of New York

00:24:09at that time

00:24:09and I never saw him again

00:24:11after that

00:24:11because I was scared.

00:24:21Jeffrey Epstein's trail

00:24:23of sexual abuse

00:24:24happened globally.

00:24:27However,

00:24:28Palm Beach

00:24:29was the center

00:24:30in many ways

00:24:31of the sexual abuse

00:24:33and where his crimes

00:24:34were originally investigated.

00:24:42Hey there.

00:24:44We're just

00:24:45driving around

00:24:46Palm Beach.

00:24:48Is there any way

00:24:48to get through or not?

00:24:50No, not.

00:24:50It's just closed.

00:24:51Yeah.

00:24:51Okay.

00:24:52All right.

00:24:52Just wanted to check.

00:24:53Why is it closed?

00:24:56Because

00:24:57Trump's in town.

00:25:02So,

00:25:03I'm Holly Balz.

00:25:04I'm a retired

00:25:07investigations editor

00:25:08from the Palm Beach Post,

00:25:10just newly retired.

00:25:13We,

00:25:14as in the Post,

00:25:15covered Epstein

00:25:16from the very beginning.

00:25:21I never could

00:25:23have anticipated

00:25:24how big

00:25:25this case

00:25:26got to be.

00:25:29Palm Beach Police

00:25:31first started

00:25:31investigating

00:25:32Jeffrey Epstein

00:25:33when the

00:25:34stepmother

00:25:35of a ninth-grader

00:25:37at Royal Palm Beach

00:25:38High School

00:25:38reported

00:25:39that a wealthy man

00:25:40had molested

00:25:41her daughter

00:25:42in March of 2005.

00:25:45This is the

00:25:46east-west route

00:25:48that goes

00:25:48past Royal Palm Beach

00:25:50High School.

00:25:53You know,

00:25:54it wasn't just

00:25:54the one girl.

00:25:56Police found

00:25:58that a number

00:25:59of victims

00:26:00were recruited

00:26:01here.

00:26:04they started

00:26:05interviewing

00:26:06more girls

00:26:07and every time

00:26:08they did,

00:26:09it was like

00:26:09peeling back

00:26:10an onion.

00:26:11Why don't you

00:26:11tell me

00:26:11from the beginning

00:26:12and how you

00:26:12met him?

00:26:13It was something

00:26:14in high school.

00:26:15Everybody was like

00:26:16trying to make money.

00:26:18Did they get paid

00:26:19for taking you?

00:26:20Yeah.

00:26:21$200.

00:26:23Not only

00:26:24were the girls

00:26:25getting sexually

00:26:26abused themselves,

00:26:27but he also

00:26:28offered to pay them

00:26:29if they bring

00:26:30their friends.

00:26:32And these were

00:26:33girls who didn't

00:26:33have a lot of money.

00:26:38During Jeffrey Epstein's

00:26:39first criminal

00:26:41investigation,

00:26:42many of the

00:26:43survivors

00:26:43started finding

00:26:45lawyers who

00:26:46were willing

00:26:46to bring their

00:26:48stories forward

00:26:48and file lawsuits.

00:26:51I first got involved

00:26:52in the Epstein matter

00:26:53back in about

00:26:532006.

00:26:56I was working

00:26:57at a litigation

00:26:58firm here

00:26:59in Palm Beach

00:27:00County,

00:27:01and a young girl

00:27:02walked into our

00:27:03office with her

00:27:03parents and

00:27:05told a crazy

00:27:06story about

00:27:07a rich man

00:27:08on Palm Beach

00:27:09Island that had

00:27:09paid her about

00:27:10$200 to go to

00:27:12the home and

00:27:12give him a massage

00:27:13that turned into

00:27:14a sexually explicit

00:27:15and inappropriate

00:27:16massage.

00:27:17Initially,

00:27:18I didn't quite

00:27:19believe her.

00:27:20To be perfectly

00:27:20honest, it sounded

00:27:21pretty incredible.

00:27:22But once I

00:27:23interviewed the

00:27:24police detective

00:27:25that was

00:27:26conducting the

00:27:26investigation,

00:27:27I realized

00:27:28that this was

00:27:28real.

00:27:31Michael Ryder

00:27:31was the chief

00:27:32of police

00:27:32back at the

00:27:33time.

00:27:33Joe Rattari

00:27:34was the

00:27:35lead

00:27:35investigator.

00:27:37You are

00:27:39Alfredo

00:27:39Rodriguez,

00:27:40correct?

00:27:40Okay,

00:27:40you were like

00:27:41the houseman?

00:27:42You can say

00:27:43butler.

00:27:43The girls that

00:27:44come over to

00:27:45work for him,

00:27:45what can you

00:27:46tell me about

00:27:46that?

00:27:47He has a

00:27:47list of

00:27:49favorite

00:27:50female

00:27:51personnel to

00:27:52give him

00:27:52massage.

00:27:53So he

00:27:53get massage in

00:27:54the morning,

00:27:54especially

00:27:54afternoon.

00:27:55And besides

00:27:56that,

00:27:56they were

00:27:56very private.

00:27:57Okay.

00:27:59And actually,

00:28:00it was my

00:28:00job to keep

00:28:01everything discreet.

00:28:04As police

00:28:05officers gathered

00:28:06the evidence,

00:28:07Epstein put

00:28:08together a

00:28:09huge team

00:28:11of, it

00:28:12was like a

00:28:13dream team.

00:28:14All really

00:28:16well-known

00:28:16attorneys and

00:28:18attorneys who

00:28:19were very

00:28:20aggressive.

00:28:23It is widely

00:28:24reported that

00:28:25Jeffrey Epstein

00:28:26and his

00:28:26legal team

00:28:27had some

00:28:28of the

00:28:28victims

00:28:28followed by

00:28:29blacked-out

00:28:30SUVs, you

00:28:31know, showing

00:28:32up at their

00:28:33houses.

00:28:34But they were

00:28:35also investigating

00:28:36the lead

00:28:36investigator,

00:28:37Joe.

00:28:37And I asked

00:28:38to meet him.

00:28:41So he picked

00:28:42a Starbucks in

00:28:42downtown West

00:28:43Palm Beach.

00:28:44And when I

00:28:44sat down and I

00:28:45started talking to

00:28:45him, his head

00:28:46was on a swivel

00:28:47and he kept

00:28:48looking around

00:28:48and I said,

00:28:49what are you,

00:28:49what are you

00:28:50doing?

00:28:51And I'll never

00:28:52forget, he looks

00:28:52at me and he

00:28:53says, you have

00:28:54no idea what

00:28:56they're doing to

00:28:57me.

00:28:57They had been

00:28:58digging through

00:28:59his personal

00:28:59trash and he

00:29:01said to me, I've

00:29:02never seen this

00:29:03kind of an

00:29:04operation before.

00:29:12But Palm Beach

00:29:13police, they were

00:29:14very dogged in

00:29:15pursuing Epstein.

00:29:17One of the police

00:29:17officers of

00:29:18Palm Beach

00:29:18County, Florida.

00:29:19They kept

00:29:20amassing victims.

00:29:22Being the

00:29:22premises occupied

00:29:23or under the

00:29:24control of

00:29:24Jeffrey Epstein,

00:29:25white male,

00:29:26dead of birth,

00:29:2612053.

00:29:30When the first

00:29:31criminal

00:29:31investigation of

00:29:32Jeffrey Epstein

00:29:33was going on,

00:29:35it had

00:29:36originally seemed

00:29:37like something

00:29:38that could

00:29:38sustain an

00:29:39indictment with

00:29:40dozens of

00:29:41counts, that

00:29:42Palm Beach

00:29:42police were

00:29:43building a

00:29:44very strong

00:29:44case.

00:29:45But when

00:29:46the entire

00:29:47case was

00:29:48packaged up

00:29:48and given

00:29:49to the

00:29:50state attorney,

00:29:51the state

00:29:52attorney here

00:29:53in Palm Beach

00:29:53at the time

00:29:54decided not to

00:29:56file charges.

00:29:57Chief of police,

00:29:58Michael Ryder,

00:29:59was so upset at

00:30:00the lack of

00:30:01prosecution on the

00:30:02state level that

00:30:03he elevated this

00:30:04to the federal

00:30:05level.

00:30:06The FBI was

00:30:08keen to prosecute

00:30:09in the beginning,

00:30:10for sure.

00:30:12and they

00:30:13found very

00:30:14much similar

00:30:15things as

00:30:16Palm Beach

00:30:16police, but

00:30:17new victims.

00:30:18And what

00:30:20came of that

00:30:20was a draft

00:30:21indictment, 60

00:30:23counts.

00:30:24However, this

00:30:26giant case that

00:30:27Palm Beach

00:30:28police spent so

00:30:29much time

00:30:29investigating pleaded

00:30:31down to a slap

00:30:32on the wrist plea

00:30:33deal after intense

00:30:35lobbying by Jeffrey

00:30:36Epstein's lawyers.

00:30:38The charges that

00:30:40they ended up

00:30:40bringing were

00:30:41solicitation for

00:30:42prostitution of a

00:30:43minor.

00:30:44It's basically

00:30:45calling these

00:30:47victims prostitutes.

00:30:49The deal was

00:30:50approved by then

00:30:51U.S. attorney

00:30:51Alex Acosta,

00:30:53and then kept

00:30:54secret from the

00:30:54victims.

00:30:55And I think

00:30:57that the

00:30:58sweetheart plea

00:30:59deal was in

00:30:59many ways the

00:31:00original sin of

00:31:01this.

00:31:03It was one of

00:31:04the most awful

00:31:05deals I've ever

00:31:06seen.

00:31:06There isn't a

00:31:07plea deal before

00:31:09or since that

00:31:10I've ever seen

00:31:10like this.

00:31:15It gave

00:31:16complete immunity

00:31:17to not just

00:31:19Epstein, but

00:31:21it included and

00:31:22not limited to

00:31:23potential co-conspirators

00:31:24Sarah Kellen,

00:31:26Adriana Ross,

00:31:27Leslie Graff,

00:31:28and Nadia

00:31:28Marcinkova.

00:31:29And so these are

00:31:30some of the women

00:31:30who helped

00:31:31recruit other

00:31:32girls?

00:31:32Yeah, and

00:31:33the sexual

00:31:33pyramid scheme,

00:31:34these were the

00:31:35people that were

00:31:36really at the

00:31:36third level,

00:31:37right below

00:31:38Glenn Maxwell.

00:31:42Jeffrey Epstein

00:31:43went to jail

00:31:43just before

00:31:4410 this morning.

00:31:45He pleaded guilty

00:31:46in open court.

00:31:47He agreed to

00:31:47serve a total

00:31:48of 18 months

00:31:49in the Palm

00:31:49Beach detention

00:31:49facility.

00:31:53People who

00:31:54commit sex crimes

00:31:55against minors

00:31:56go to prison

00:31:57for a very long

00:31:58time.

00:31:59Not Jeffrey

00:32:00Epstein.

00:32:02He was sentenced

00:32:03to 18 months

00:32:04in jail.

00:32:06He could get

00:32:07work release

00:32:08for 12 hours

00:32:09a day,

00:32:10six days a week.

00:32:12He wound up

00:32:13being in a

00:32:14cushy jail

00:32:15where he was

00:32:16the only person

00:32:18in that wing.

00:32:20He could go out,

00:32:21go to his office,

00:32:22take a walk

00:32:23on the beach,

00:32:23do whatever he

00:32:24wanted during the

00:32:25day.

00:32:26That's no kind

00:32:26of punishment.

00:32:29We had been

00:32:29litigating against

00:32:30Epstein on behalf

00:32:32of one of my

00:32:33clients.

00:32:34He was being

00:32:35allowed out

00:32:36during days,

00:32:37so we noticed

00:32:38Epstein for

00:32:39deposition.

00:32:41Could you please

00:32:42give us your name?

00:32:43Jeffrey Epstein.

00:32:44So I wanted

00:32:45him to realize

00:32:46I didn't care

00:32:47who he was,

00:32:48what his power

00:32:49was, what his

00:32:49status was.

00:32:50I was going to ask

00:32:50him the most

00:32:51embarrassing

00:32:51possible thing

00:32:52I could.

00:32:53Is it true,

00:32:54sir, that

00:32:57you have what's

00:32:58been described

00:32:58as an egg-shaped

00:33:00penis?

00:33:03He hears me

00:33:04ask the question,

00:33:04watch him look

00:33:05at his lawyers

00:33:06like, can you

00:33:07believe he's

00:33:07asking me this?

00:33:08I'm going to give

00:33:09you the first

00:33:10lawyer, Mr.

00:33:11Kuhlund.

00:33:11I had been the

00:33:12first lawyer to

00:33:12ask him any

00:33:13questions in the

00:33:14cases that had

00:33:15been filed.

00:33:16One witness

00:33:16described your

00:33:18penis as oval

00:33:19shaped, thin and

00:33:20small towards the

00:33:21head portion.

00:33:22See, he's angry.

00:33:23He's ready to

00:33:24walk out the door,

00:33:24and then he sees

00:33:26that the attorneys

00:33:26are going to

00:33:27talk.

00:33:27That serves no

00:33:28other purpose

00:33:28other than

00:33:29embarrass Mr.

00:33:30Epstein.

00:33:30It's just totally

00:33:32unethical, it's

00:33:33improper.

00:33:33The purpose of

00:33:34that question is

00:33:35how could a 14

00:33:36year old know

00:33:36what his private

00:33:37part look like?

00:33:38That question was

00:33:40directly relevant

00:33:41to the claims

00:33:42in the case.

00:33:43The deposition

00:33:44is terminated at

00:33:45this point.

00:33:45Okay, thanks a lot,

00:33:46I appreciate it.

00:33:51Shortest deposition

00:33:52I've ever taken.

00:33:54Ever.

00:33:55Ever.

00:33:55Wow.

00:33:56So he probably

00:33:57is feeling pretty

00:33:57confident at this

00:33:58point that he's

00:33:59gotten away with

00:34:00this.

00:34:00Pretty much, yeah.

00:34:01I mean, he had

00:34:02done his deal, and

00:34:02now he was just

00:34:03getting through the

00:34:04civil cases, thinking

00:34:05that it was all

00:34:05over and all

00:34:06done.

00:34:10So, Sarah and

00:34:11Nadia, you guys

00:34:11have a good time.

00:34:12You can see I have

00:34:13a little sore on my

00:34:14face that I got from

00:34:15some black guy trying

00:34:16to kiss me.

00:34:17I'll talk to you

00:34:18guys later.

00:34:19Bye.

00:34:21A few steps, a

00:34:23smile, and a

00:34:24waved to the deputy

00:34:25at the door.

00:34:26We watched Jeffrey

00:34:27Epstein walk out

00:34:28of jail.

00:34:29Epstein served 13

00:34:30months of an 18-month

00:34:31sentence.

00:34:32He's very happy

00:34:34that his jail

00:34:34sentence is over

00:34:35and he can begin a new

00:34:37chapter in his life.

00:34:39When Jeffrey Epstein

00:34:40got out of jail,

00:34:41the fact that he was

00:34:43prosecuted, the fact

00:34:44that he was a

00:34:44registered sex

00:34:45offender, didn't seem

00:34:47to stand in the way

00:34:48of his re-entry

00:34:50into high society,

00:34:52wealth, and power.

00:34:56The power and influence

00:34:58he had convinced a lot

00:34:59of people to look

00:35:00the other way.

00:35:02Prince Andrew

00:35:03looked the other way.

00:35:06We also saw Bill Gates

00:35:08meeting with Epstein

00:35:10despite his past.

00:35:12He was some sort of

00:35:14soothsayer, apparently,

00:35:15to a lot of these men

00:35:17that were asking him

00:35:17for advice.

00:35:19I think that a lot

00:35:21of people probably knew

00:35:22that everything was not

00:35:23on the up and up,

00:35:24but for whatever reason,

00:35:25they wanted to be a part

00:35:27of his inner circle.

00:35:30I had a reporter

00:35:31who was covering Epstein

00:35:34every step of the way.

00:35:38It was difficult

00:35:39to get people

00:35:40to pay attention.

00:35:42They felt like he had

00:35:43served this time,

00:35:44and there you go.

00:35:47Epstein's conviction

00:35:48wasn't even a speed bump.

00:35:53I've been researching

00:35:54and writing about

00:35:55channel traffic

00:35:55since 2002, 2003,

00:35:57and I had this intuition

00:36:00that Jeffrey Epstein

00:36:01was very similar

00:36:02to the network

00:36:02that I'd investigated,

00:36:03and I just felt

00:36:05that something

00:36:06was seriously wrong.

00:36:08So in 2012,

00:36:10I went down

00:36:11to Florida,

00:36:13and I had the good fortune

00:36:15of getting the Black Book.

00:36:20The Black Book

00:36:21is just a list

00:36:22of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.

00:36:26It has billionaires,

00:36:28some people in showbiz,

00:36:31captains of industry,

00:36:35and multiple girls

00:36:37were in the Black Book.

00:36:41I started talking

00:36:43to some of the girls,

00:36:45and they told me

00:36:46that they'd been flown here

00:36:47or flown there,

00:36:49and then one told me

00:36:50that she'd been flown

00:36:51to an island.

00:36:52So in 2012,

00:36:55I believe,

00:36:56Jeffrey Epstein

00:36:57was writing a network,

00:36:59and I also had

00:36:59the flight logs.

00:37:01So were these

00:37:02the flight logs

00:37:03just for his

00:37:04private plane, then?

00:37:05Yes.

00:37:06Bill Clinton,

00:37:07Alan Dershowitz,

00:37:09Kevin Spacey,

00:37:10Larry Summers.

00:37:11I mean,

00:37:12there were a number

00:37:12of very powerful people

00:37:13that were flying

00:37:14with Jeffrey Epstein,

00:37:17and there were

00:37:17a number of girls

00:37:19on the flight logs,

00:37:20and I assumed

00:37:22that some of them

00:37:23were minors.

00:37:25Yes.

00:37:28I'm about to

00:37:29get to the bar.

00:37:31I worked on getting

00:37:32that story published

00:37:33for three years,

00:37:33and finally,

00:37:34Gawker stepped up

00:37:36and published my work.

00:37:41The mainstream media

00:37:42just didn't want

00:37:43to embrace it.

00:37:48After that point,

00:37:49we would get glimpses

00:37:51of information.

00:37:53Virginia Giuffre,

00:37:55one of the Epstein

00:37:56survivors from Palm Beach,

00:37:58had moved to Australia

00:38:00after escaping

00:38:01Jeffrey Epstein.

00:38:02She claimed

00:38:03that she was trafficked

00:38:05to then Prince Andrew

00:38:07when she was a minor.

00:38:08She was 17 at the time.

00:38:10Can you tell me

00:38:11about the photo

00:38:12that she provided

00:38:13to a newspaper

00:38:15in 2011?

00:38:16Virginia Giuffre

00:38:18had produced

00:38:19a now infamous photograph

00:38:21of her,

00:38:23then Prince Andrew,

00:38:24and Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:38:27Andrew claimed

00:38:28that it was a fake

00:38:29and denied criminal

00:38:31wrongdoing.

00:38:33The thing about Virginia

00:38:35is she'd been with Epstein

00:38:36for a couple of years,

00:38:38and he had taken

00:38:39her every place.

00:38:40So she was pretty knowledgeable

00:38:42about his network.

00:38:44And she was launching

00:38:46civil suits,

00:38:47and she had named

00:38:48Jeffrey Epstein

00:38:49and Ghislaine Maxwell

00:38:51as perpetrators

00:38:52who trafficked her

00:38:53to his rich

00:38:54and powerful cronies.

00:38:57But she wasn't being

00:38:59taken seriously

00:39:00by the media.

00:39:04Jeffrey Epstein

00:39:05very aggressively

00:39:07bullied media organizations

00:39:09that tried to look

00:39:10under that rock.

00:39:14Things remained

00:39:15kind of dormant

00:39:16for a number of years

00:39:18until another story

00:39:20came out of

00:39:20the Miami Herald

00:39:21and a reporter

00:39:22that went back

00:39:23and looked at some

00:39:24of the deals

00:39:24that were struck

00:39:25with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:39:28Julie Brown,

00:39:29her reporting

00:39:30really opened up

00:39:31the case.

00:39:33One second.

00:39:35Oh, you're calling Julie?

00:39:37Good morning.

00:39:38Good morning.

00:39:39How are you?

00:39:39I'm wonderful.

00:39:40I have a very pleasant

00:39:43Australian reporter

00:39:44here in my office

00:39:46that would like

00:39:47to chat with you

00:39:50if you could

00:39:50give her time.

00:39:52Hang on.

00:39:52Hi, Julie.

00:39:53Yeah, I've been

00:39:54contacted by a lot

00:39:55of people.

00:39:56Yeah, I can imagine.

00:39:57Keep it straight, but...

00:39:58Yeah.

00:39:59Well, yeah,

00:40:00it's going to be a call,

00:40:00but this week

00:40:01is not a good week,

00:40:02so we can talk about it

00:40:04later.

00:40:04Okay.

00:40:05Later.

00:40:06Yeah, sure.

00:40:20Hey, Julie.

00:40:21I'm so glad

00:40:22we could make this happen.

00:40:23Yes.

00:40:26Persistence pays off, right?

00:40:27Yep.

00:40:27It is okay,

00:40:28especially since you were

00:40:29willing to come all the way

00:40:30to Philadelphia.

00:40:30I thought,

00:40:31oh, my God,

00:40:31this girl's never going

00:40:32to give up.

00:40:32I might as well

00:40:33just get it over with.

00:40:36Tell me how you came

00:40:38to investigate

00:40:38Jeffrey Epstein.

00:40:40Well, I started

00:40:40investigating it

00:40:41right before the election

00:40:42in 2016.

00:40:46Most journalists

00:40:47in America

00:40:48knew, you know,

00:40:49something about

00:40:50the Jeffrey Epstein case,

00:40:52especially Epstein's

00:40:53sweetheart deal,

00:40:54very lenient plea deal.

00:40:56And there was a lot

00:40:58of stories about

00:40:58how did he get this deal?

00:41:00This doesn't make

00:41:00any sense.

00:41:02But nothing

00:41:03that I could find

00:41:04really showed me

00:41:05how he got away

00:41:06with this crime.

00:41:07And so I just started

00:41:09requesting the records,

00:41:10not knowing

00:41:11where it was going

00:41:12to lead me.

00:41:13Somehow I got a list

00:41:15of almost 100 victims.

00:41:17In the end,

00:41:18I had like four victims

00:41:20that were willing

00:41:21to go and talk.

00:41:23And in the middle

00:41:24of when I was doing that,

00:41:25Trump nominated

00:41:26Alexander Acosta

00:41:27to be Labor Secretary.

00:41:30I want to thank

00:41:31President Trump

00:41:32for the privilege

00:41:33of serving.

00:41:34Acosta was the U.S.

00:41:36attorney in Miami

00:41:37that signed off

00:41:38on Epstein's

00:41:39sweetheart deal.

00:41:40I tell the data

00:41:41of Oscar

00:41:41to follow me this way.

00:41:43So then I pitched

00:41:44a story that we would

00:41:46go to the victims

00:41:47and ask them,

00:41:49you know,

00:41:49what they think

00:41:50about the man

00:41:51that let their predator

00:41:53off the hook,

00:41:53who is now,

00:41:55by the way,

00:41:55in charge of one

00:41:55of the largest

00:41:56government agencies

00:41:57in the country

00:41:59with oversight

00:42:00of human trafficking.

00:42:03It was a high-pressure story

00:42:05because it involved

00:42:06a lot of important people.

00:42:07It was going to be

00:42:08put online

00:42:09very early in the morning.

00:42:12So we sort of

00:42:13braced ourselves,

00:42:14I guess you could say.

00:42:15And at the time

00:42:16that morning,

00:42:17there was a funny story

00:42:19that was at the top

00:42:19of our leaderboard.

00:42:20My story was

00:42:21at the very bottom.

00:42:22And so I packed

00:42:24everything up.

00:42:24I thought,

00:42:25that's it for the day.

00:42:26I, you know,

00:42:26I'm going to take

00:42:27the day off

00:42:29and I was getting

00:42:30all ready

00:42:30and another reporter

00:42:31said to me,

00:42:32Julie, look at this story.

00:42:33And it was going

00:42:34boom, boom, boom.

00:42:36We are going to begin

00:42:38with a much closer look

00:42:39at the disturbing case

00:42:40of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:42:42Joining me this morning

00:42:43is Julie Brown

00:42:43of the Miami Herald.

00:42:45Investigative reporter

00:42:45behind the Miami Herald

00:42:46Ex-Clazor.

00:42:47Julie Brown,

00:42:47let me ask you,

00:42:48set the scene for us.

00:42:51This story uncovered

00:42:53this underbelly

00:42:54of society

00:42:55of the rich and powerful

00:42:56and what they were doing

00:42:57to people

00:42:59who were less powerful.

00:43:00The Miami Herald series

00:43:02drops in November 2018.

00:43:08It had such an impact

00:43:11that by July

00:43:13of the following year,

00:43:14Jeffrey Epstein

00:43:15is arrested

00:43:16and charged

00:43:17with sex trafficking.

00:43:20Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein

00:43:22has been arrested

00:43:23for alleged sex trafficking

00:43:24of young girls

00:43:26and agents have been

00:43:27coming in and out

00:43:28of his Manhattan mansion

00:43:29all morning.

00:43:30Epstein is charged

00:43:31in a two-count indictment.

00:43:32First, conspiracy

00:43:33to commit sex trafficking

00:43:35and second,

00:43:36sex trafficking

00:43:37of underage girls.

00:43:38Beginning in at least 2002

00:43:39and continuing until 2005

00:43:41at his mansion in New York

00:43:43and in Palm Beach, Florida.

00:43:46I'm not going into

00:43:47any dealings

00:43:48with the main justice.

00:43:50I will say

00:43:50that we were assisted

00:43:51from some excellent

00:43:53investigative journalism.

00:43:56I just got a call

00:43:57from the news desk

00:43:58saying we just got something

00:43:59over the wire

00:44:00that said that Epstein's

00:44:01been arrested.

00:44:02It was like,

00:44:03oh, you know,

00:44:04it was incredible.

00:44:04I was just,

00:44:05I couldn't believe it.

00:44:09Hi, Mark.

00:44:10It's Grace Tobin.

00:44:11Thanks so much

00:44:11for taking the time

00:44:12to talk to me today.

00:44:14Sure.

00:44:15When your brother

00:44:15was arrested,

00:44:17can you tell me

00:44:17what that was like,

00:44:19that moment?

00:44:20Jeffrey gets arrested.

00:44:21You know,

00:44:22he spoke the night before.

00:44:25He called me from Paris.

00:44:27Just a normal,

00:44:28you know,

00:44:28what's new,

00:44:28how you doing call.

00:44:29And then he flies home

00:44:31the next day

00:44:32and he gets arrested.

00:44:34I wanted to be

00:44:36at his first court appearance

00:44:38the next day.

00:44:40He looked like

00:44:41such a small man,

00:44:44you know,

00:44:44small, frail,

00:44:46you know,

00:44:47human being.

00:44:49Just looked lost,

00:44:51quite frankly.

00:44:52I don't think he ever

00:44:53thought he was going

00:44:53to be rearrested.

00:44:55Now, yesterday

00:44:56we were there in court.

00:44:57His attorneys are arguing

00:44:58that Epstein struck a deal

00:44:59with federal prosecutors

00:45:00in Florida

00:45:01over similar crimes,

00:45:03granting him immunity

00:45:03after he pleaded guilty

00:45:05to a lesser charge.

00:45:06The U.S. attorney

00:45:08who struck that deal

00:45:09is Alexander Acosta.

00:45:11At that point,

00:45:12the media started

00:45:13in Washington

00:45:14asking Trump

00:45:15what's going to happen

00:45:16with Alexander Acosta.

00:45:19Good afternoon.

00:45:20I remember

00:45:21that Acosta

00:45:22did have a press conference.

00:45:24We believe

00:45:25that we proceeded

00:45:27appropriately.

00:45:29There was value

00:45:31to getting

00:45:32a guilty plea

00:45:33and having him register.

00:45:35Thank you very much.

00:45:39And I just remember

00:45:41listening to him

00:45:42thinking,

00:45:43these are all excuses.

00:45:45They don't work anymore.

00:45:48And apparently

00:45:49it didn't work

00:45:50because he then,

00:45:52you know, resigned.

00:45:54And so I called

00:45:55the president this morning.

00:45:57I told him that

00:45:58I thought the right thing

00:45:59was to step aside.

00:46:02Finally,

00:46:02it seemed like

00:46:03the government

00:46:04was actually taking

00:46:05this seriously

00:46:05by charging Epstein

00:46:08with serious crimes,

00:46:09sex trafficking.

00:46:10And after that,

00:46:12other victims

00:46:12started to realize,

00:46:13I'm not alone.

00:46:17When he was arrested,

00:46:19a lot of us

00:46:20were happy

00:46:21that there was

00:46:22a second chance

00:46:23for possibly

00:46:24some actual justice

00:46:25because what happened

00:46:26because what happened

00:46:27in 2008

00:46:27wasn't justice

00:46:29or him being

00:46:30held accountable.

00:46:31And at that point,

00:46:34I reached out

00:46:35to the FBI

00:46:36and I was like,

00:46:39here's another one

00:46:40of us,

00:46:40you know,

00:46:41and I,

00:46:43I want to be a part

00:46:44of bringing him down.

00:47:00Jeffrey Epstein

00:47:01was staying

00:47:02at the rather

00:47:04notorious prison

00:47:05where people

00:47:06await trial

00:47:07on serious offenses

00:47:09in the Southern

00:47:09District of New York.

00:47:13The Metropolitan

00:47:14Correctional Center

00:47:15in Manhattan

00:47:15is an environment

00:47:16completely foreign

00:47:17to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:47:21The conditions

00:47:22were filthy,

00:47:23rodents,

00:47:24cockroaches,

00:47:25all over the place.

00:47:26I agreed to represent him

00:47:28and I met with him.

00:47:31But just before that,

00:47:33there was this incident

00:47:34in which there was

00:47:35a suggestion

00:47:35that he tried

00:47:36to commit suicide.

00:47:38The multimillionaire

00:47:39and convicted

00:47:39sex offender

00:47:40is now on suicide watch

00:47:42after he was found

00:47:43injured in his jail cell.

00:47:45I met with Jeffrey Epstein

00:47:47on August 1st

00:47:48for about five or six hours.

00:47:51He denied

00:47:52that he had tried

00:47:53to commit suicide.

00:47:54The story that he told

00:47:56about what had happened

00:47:57was that the cellmate

00:47:58he had forced him

00:47:59to put a rope

00:48:00around his neck

00:48:01something and pulled it

00:48:02just to see the reaction

00:48:04Epstein would have.

00:48:06But he told

00:48:07the correctional officers

00:48:08that he couldn't remember

00:48:10what had happened

00:48:10because he was afraid

00:48:11if he got that guy

00:48:12in trouble

00:48:13that he would have

00:48:13trouble himself.

00:48:16How was Jeffrey Epstein's

00:48:17mood that day

00:48:18when you look back?

00:48:19Good.

00:48:20I mean, he, again,

00:48:21he didn't like being

00:48:22in the jail

00:48:24but he was adamant

00:48:25about wanting to fight

00:48:26the case

00:48:26and he was energized

00:48:27by our meeting.

00:48:28I think he thought

00:48:28he had a strong

00:48:29legal argument,

00:48:30for example,

00:48:31on the agreement

00:48:32that he had made

00:48:32that he felt

00:48:33would have barred

00:48:34his prosecution.

00:48:37But nine days later,

00:48:38last thing I would have

00:48:39imagined at the time

00:48:40happened.

00:48:44NBC News has learned

00:48:45that disgraced financier

00:48:47Jeffrey Epstein

00:48:48is dead.

00:48:49Sources telling ABC News

00:48:51that accused sex trafficker

00:48:53Jeffrey Epstein

00:48:54has died by suicide.

00:48:55It appeared that he

00:48:56had hung himself

00:48:57with trying to figure out

00:48:59if he was still

00:49:01on suicide watch.

00:49:02It was astonishing.

00:49:06This is someone

00:49:08who is being prosecuted

00:49:09for historic crimes.

00:49:10The world's attention

00:49:11is on this.

00:49:13How is this man

00:49:14allowed to turn up dead?

00:49:24And then the next thing

00:49:25I know,

00:49:26I hear on the news

00:49:27that Jeffrey was found

00:49:28dead from an apparent

00:49:28suicide.

00:49:30At first,

00:49:31I had no reason

00:49:32to doubt it

00:49:32because,

00:49:33you know,

00:49:34he was in jail.

00:49:34He was facing a long time

00:49:36in jail potentially

00:49:37and I knew

00:49:38he wouldn't want

00:49:38to live that way

00:49:39in jail.

00:49:40So I had no reason

00:49:41to doubt it

00:49:42and I accepted

00:49:42that he committed suicide.

00:49:44the next day

00:49:45I had to come back

00:49:46to be able

00:49:47to identify his body.

00:49:48As a family member,

00:49:49I had the right

00:49:50to have my own pathologist

00:49:51at the autopsy,

00:49:52you know,

00:49:53just to see everything

00:49:54that's done right.

00:49:55I spoke to his brother.

00:49:57I insisted that

00:49:58the person I consider

00:49:59to be the top

00:49:59forensic pathologist

00:50:00in the world

00:50:01participate in

00:50:02an independent autopsy.

00:50:05So his name

00:50:06is Michael Bodden.

00:50:06I was a medical examiner

00:50:10for the New York

00:50:10State Police

00:50:11for 25 years

00:50:13and more than

00:50:1520,000 autopsies.

00:50:18In this instance,

00:50:20I was asked

00:50:21to attend the autopsy

00:50:22that was going

00:50:23to be done

00:50:24the next day.

00:50:27The history

00:50:28was that he was found

00:50:30having committed suicide

00:50:31by hanging

00:50:32in his jail cell.

00:50:35When looking at the body,

00:50:37there was a little

00:50:37odd situation there

00:50:39because the ligature furrow

00:50:40around the neck

00:50:42was horizontal.

00:50:45In the suicidal hanging,

00:50:47the ligature mark

00:50:49is usually up

00:50:50the high part of the neck

00:50:51and goes upwards.

00:50:53And then the moment

00:50:54of surprise,

00:50:56there were three fractures,

00:50:59two of the thyroid cartilage,

00:51:01which is the Adam's apple,

00:51:02and one

00:51:04of the hyoid bone.

00:51:07In 50 years

00:51:08of doing this,

00:51:10I've never seen that.

00:51:11That's much more common

00:51:13crushing injury

00:51:14in the homicidal strangulation.

00:51:18So I think

00:51:18at that point,

00:51:20there was concern

00:51:21as to whether

00:51:21it was suicide

00:51:22as thought

00:51:23or not.

00:51:26So the medical examiner

00:51:28of New York City

00:51:28who conducted it,

00:51:29she said

00:51:30that it was inconclusive.

00:51:32she couldn't say

00:51:33it was suicide.

00:51:37But then

00:51:38her boss,

00:51:39three or four days later,

00:51:41changed it

00:51:41to suicide.

00:51:46And then,

00:51:47okay,

00:51:47now,

00:51:48what kinds of questions

00:51:49start coming up

00:51:50and we'll start turning?

00:51:54Barbara Sampson,

00:51:56the chief medical examiner,

00:51:58she was not at the autopsy.

00:52:00And so she comes up

00:52:01with the conclusion

00:52:01of suicide

00:52:02based on what?

00:52:04Tonight,

00:52:04Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys

00:52:06questioning whether

00:52:06his death

00:52:07was a suicide,

00:52:08saying they will

00:52:09even pursue

00:52:10quote,

00:52:11legal action

00:52:11to view the pivotal videos

00:52:13if they exist

00:52:14as they should

00:52:15of the area

00:52:16proximate to

00:52:16Mr. Epstein's cell.

00:52:18And it turned out

00:52:19somehow,

00:52:20magically,

00:52:21the cameras

00:52:21malfunctioned that day

00:52:23or was in a place

00:52:24where the camera

00:52:25didn't reach.

00:52:27So this is now

00:52:28a correctional officer

00:52:29taking an inmate down.

00:52:30This is supposed

00:52:30to be Jeffrey Epstein now.

00:52:33You're talking

00:52:34about August 9th

00:52:35at almost 8 o'clock

00:52:37in the evening.

00:52:38August 10th

00:52:38is when he was dead.

00:52:40Do you think

00:52:41it's suspicious

00:52:42that there's only

00:52:43this one camera

00:52:44angle available,

00:52:45that that's the only image?

00:52:47If that's accurate,

00:52:48then yes,

00:52:48I do think it's suspicious.

00:52:50And you might say

00:52:52coincidental

00:52:53that the cameras

00:52:54are malfunctioning

00:52:54around that time,

00:52:56but pretty unbelievable.

00:52:58There were so many

00:52:59anomalies that night.

00:53:01His cellmate

00:53:02had been taken out.

00:53:03The guards were sleeping.

00:53:06The cameras were down.

00:53:08All of these

00:53:09mysterious things

00:53:10fueled a lot

00:53:11of conspiracy theories.

00:53:12There's just no way

00:53:13you can hang yourself

00:53:14off of a bunk bed

00:53:15at that height.

00:53:16I think we have found

00:53:17Jeffrey Epstein's killer.

00:53:19And it's the most secure

00:53:19federal lockup

00:53:20in the United States

00:53:21and he got murdered in it.

00:53:22Who has the power

00:53:23to do that?

00:53:27I've been studying

00:53:28conspiracy theories

00:53:29for 15 years.

00:53:31When I polled

00:53:32Americans asking them

00:53:33what they thought

00:53:34about his death,

00:53:35half the country

00:53:36thought it was a conspiracy.

00:53:37That he was killed

00:53:39by people

00:53:40who were trying

00:53:41to cover up

00:53:42their involvement

00:53:43with him.

00:53:44And you don't

00:53:45normally get

00:53:48conspiracy theories

00:53:49getting half the country

00:53:50to buy in.

00:53:51Yeah,

00:53:51I don't believe

00:53:51any conspiracy theory,

00:53:52but the fact that

00:53:53he wanted to fight

00:53:54this case

00:53:55until the day

00:53:56before he died

00:53:57says to me

00:53:58that it's unlikely

00:53:58he committed suicide.

00:54:02I believe he was murdered.

00:54:04And if they do

00:54:05a real investigation

00:54:06and talk to the right people,

00:54:08they could figure out

00:54:08when it actually took place.

00:54:12Do you believe

00:54:14that Epstein

00:54:14committed suicide?

00:54:16No.

00:54:17No,

00:54:18I just don't believe it.

00:54:20No.

00:54:22He had only been

00:54:23there for a month.

00:54:26I just think

00:54:27it was too soon

00:54:28for him to throw

00:54:28in the towel.

00:54:32From the Jeffrey Epstein

00:54:33that I knew,

00:54:34no,

00:54:35I don't think

00:54:35he'd kill himself.

00:54:36I just don't.

00:54:37And I believe

00:54:38he always thought

00:54:38he was going

00:54:39to get out of it.

00:54:40He knew that

00:54:41he wasn't going

00:54:42to get the slap

00:54:42on the wrist

00:54:43this time.

00:54:44Very damaging documents

00:54:45in the case

00:54:46came out

00:54:47two days before

00:54:48he changed his will.

00:54:50A lot of people

00:54:52think he might

00:54:52have been killed.

00:54:54Others think

00:54:54he killed himself.

00:54:56I really think

00:54:57he decided

00:54:58to take his life.

00:54:59That was the last

00:55:00bit of control

00:55:01that he had.

00:55:05When I heard

00:55:06about that,

00:55:07I just,

00:55:08I was heartbroken

00:55:10for these girls.

00:55:13A federal judge

00:55:14has officially

00:55:14dismissed the criminal

00:55:15case against

00:55:16Jeffrey Epstein.

00:55:19They have never

00:55:20gotten justice

00:55:21and, you know,

00:55:23they didn't deserve this.

00:55:28I was going

00:55:28through my own

00:55:29feelings in 2019

00:55:31when he died.

00:55:32He was kind

00:55:33of a mentor to me,

00:55:34but he was also

00:55:35my abuser.

00:55:36So it was a very

00:55:37confusing time for me

00:55:38and I wanted to know

00:55:39answers about my life.

00:55:40So I reached out

00:55:41at that time

00:55:42to other survivors

00:55:43and called Virginia.

00:55:46I had my first

00:55:47conversation with her.

00:55:49There's just something

00:55:50that she had in her

00:55:52that I looked up to

00:55:54and I really

00:55:56thought was

00:55:57very brave.

00:56:03We are here

00:56:04in Loxahatchee Grows,

00:56:06which is a rural part

00:56:07of Palm Beach County

00:56:09in which

00:56:10Virginia Roberts

00:56:11Jaffray

00:56:12grew up.

00:56:15Not terribly affluent.

00:56:19I was recruited

00:56:20at a very young age

00:56:21from Mar-a-Lago

00:56:23and entrapped

00:56:24in a world

00:56:25that I didn't understand

00:56:26and I've been fighting

00:56:27that very world

00:56:28to this day

00:56:28and I won't stop fighting.

00:56:30I will never be silenced.

00:56:32And here we have

00:56:33Mar-a-Lago,

00:56:34President Trump's

00:56:37private club.

00:56:39Virginia Dufresne

00:56:40was a spa attendant

00:56:42at Mar-a-Lago

00:56:43and Ghislaine Maxwell

00:56:45used to go there

00:56:46for massages.

00:56:49Ghislaine Maxwell

00:56:51asked her

00:56:52if she wanted

00:56:52to learn

00:56:53to be a masseuse

00:56:54and to come

00:56:55to Epstein's house

00:56:56and that was

00:56:57where she suffered

00:56:58the first abuse.

00:57:00Do you know

00:57:02Virginia Roberts?

00:57:04So she's

00:57:05again who?

00:57:06Virginia Roberts.

00:57:08Can you spell it?

00:57:11Common spelling.

00:57:12Can you spell it

00:57:12for me please?

00:57:14R-O-B-E-R-T-S

00:57:17And just for the record

00:57:19I can only spell it

00:57:20the way that it was spelled

00:57:21in your flight logs

00:57:23from your airplane.

00:57:27Virginia Roberts Jaffray

00:57:28was instrumental

00:57:29in this story

00:57:30coming forward.

00:57:31She is the reason

00:57:33to a very large extent

00:57:34that Jeffrey Epstein

00:57:36and Ghislaine Maxwell

00:57:37were even prosecuted

00:57:38because of the trail

00:57:40of the public record

00:57:42that she left

00:57:43in her civil lawsuits.

00:57:46Virginia Jaffray

00:57:48was not only key

00:57:49in exposing

00:57:50Jeffrey Epstein.

00:57:51You know,

00:57:52she named names

00:57:54of other people

00:57:55such as Prince Andrew.

00:57:57Abuse allegations

00:57:58that have been

00:57:59plaguing the prince

00:58:00for years

00:58:01now laid bare

00:58:02on primetime TV.

00:58:04Virginia Roberts Jaffray

00:58:06alleges Prince Andrew

00:58:07first sexually abused her

00:58:09at Ms Maxwell's

00:58:10London home.

00:58:11Ghislaine woke me up

00:58:12in the morning

00:58:12and said

00:58:13you're going to meet

00:58:13a prince today.

00:58:15I didn't know

00:58:16at that point

00:58:17that I was going

00:58:18to be trafficked

00:58:19to that prince

00:58:21and Ghislaine said

00:58:22he's coming back

00:58:23to the house

00:58:24and I want you

00:58:25to do for him

00:58:26what you do

00:58:26for Epstein.

00:58:28One of Epstein's

00:58:29accusers,

00:58:30Virginia Roberts,

00:58:31has made allegations

00:58:32against you.

00:58:40It's been six years now

00:58:42since that famous,

00:58:44infamous interview

00:58:45with Prince Andrew.

00:58:46Did you ever think

00:58:47that you would still

00:58:48be talking about it now?

00:58:50In a way,

00:58:51I wish the whole conversation

00:58:52had started earlier.

00:58:53You know,

00:58:54we knew when we did it

00:58:56that it had to be

00:58:58a document,

00:58:59a public record

00:59:00in case it was ever useful.

00:59:04He was in the room

00:59:05when I arrived.

00:59:06He looked ready for it.

00:59:09He looked like a man

00:59:11who had waited a long time

00:59:13to kind of get it

00:59:14off his chest, frankly.

00:59:16There is no good time

00:59:18to talk about

00:59:19Mr. Epstein.

00:59:22My sense is that

00:59:23he thought he was

00:59:24his own best weapon

00:59:26in terms of

00:59:28killing the story dead.

00:59:29She says she met you

00:59:31in 2001

00:59:32and she went on

00:59:34to have sex with you

00:59:35in a house

00:59:36in Belgravia

00:59:37belonging to

00:59:39Ghirlane Maxwell.

00:59:40Didn't happen.

00:59:41Do you remember her?

00:59:44No.

00:59:44He tried to tell me

00:59:46that it was a fake photo.

00:59:48We can't be certain

00:59:49as to whether or not

00:59:50that's my hand

00:59:51on her,

00:59:53whatever it is,

00:59:54left side.

00:59:56He'd worked out

00:59:57his alibi.

01:00:00I'd taken Beatrice

01:00:01to a pizza express

01:00:04in Woking.

01:00:06His team had thought

01:00:07it had gone pretty well.

01:00:09Britain's Prince Andrew

01:00:10is facing backlash

01:00:11after a widely criticized

01:00:12television interview.

01:00:14One UK paper

01:00:15calling the Prince

01:00:16entitled and obtuse.

01:00:18Four days after

01:00:19Newsnight broadcast

01:00:20its interview

01:00:21with Prince Andrew,

01:00:22he's made this announcement.

01:00:23I have asked

01:00:24Her Majesty

01:00:25if I may step back

01:00:26from public duties

01:00:27for the foreseeable future

01:00:29and she has given

01:00:30her permission.

01:00:31The interview

01:00:32that he gave

01:00:33the BBC,

01:00:34that was

01:00:36beyond disingenuous.

01:00:39He started

01:00:40his slow decline

01:00:41to ultimately

01:00:43being stripped

01:00:44of his princehood.

01:00:46And I think

01:00:47that that was

01:00:48the beginning

01:00:49of the end.

01:00:50It's an eye

01:00:52for an eye,

01:00:52a scar for a scar.

01:00:57No matter how much

01:00:58I go through therapy,

01:00:59I'm embedded

01:01:00with scars

01:01:00that will never

01:01:01leave me,

01:01:01ever.

01:01:07Virginia Giuffre

01:01:09was also

01:01:10instrumental

01:01:11to the downfall

01:01:12of the other person

01:01:13in that photograph,

01:01:14Ghislaine Maxwell.

01:01:16In 2022,

01:01:18Ghislaine Maxwell

01:01:19was sentenced

01:01:20to 20 years

01:01:20in prison

01:01:21for sex trafficking

01:01:22and other crimes.

01:01:26But there was

01:01:28a growing public outrage

01:01:30that she was

01:01:30the only person

01:01:31to face consequences

01:01:32in the Epstein scandal.

01:01:34People were asking,

01:01:36what about the men?

01:01:38No one

01:01:39had brought charges

01:01:40and this was

01:01:41across Republican

01:01:43and Democratic

01:01:44administrations.

01:01:48When and how

01:01:50did concerns

01:01:51about Epstein's

01:01:52crimes

01:01:53start spilling

01:01:54over into

01:01:55the territory

01:01:55of the public

01:01:57really wanting

01:01:57to see the files?

01:01:59Donald Trump

01:02:00really was

01:02:01the one

01:02:01who prompted

01:02:02that.

01:02:06Then he

01:02:07got to be

01:02:08embroiled in it

01:02:09himself.

01:02:12Donald Trump's name

01:02:13is all over

01:02:14these files.

01:02:15Flight logs

01:02:15show Trump

01:02:16traveled on Epstein's

01:02:17private jet

01:02:18many more times

01:02:19than prosecutors

01:02:20were aware.

01:02:24Have you ever

01:02:25had a personal

01:02:25relationship

01:02:26relationship

01:02:26with Donald Trump?

01:02:28What do you mean

01:02:29by personal

01:02:29relationships?

01:02:30Have you

01:02:31socialized with him?

01:02:33Yes, sir.

01:02:34Yes?

01:02:34Yes, sir.

01:02:36Have you ever

01:02:36socialized with

01:02:37Donald Trump

01:02:38in the presence

01:02:39of females

01:02:42under the age

01:02:43of 18?

01:02:58It's indisputable

01:02:59that Trump

01:02:59had a long-term

01:03:01friendship

01:03:01with Epstein.

01:03:03He told the

01:03:04world about it.

01:03:04I still think

01:03:05Jeffrey Epstein

01:03:06is a terrific

01:03:07guy.

01:03:08Well, I knew him

01:03:09like everybody

01:03:10in Palm Beach

01:03:10knew him.

01:03:11I mean, people

01:03:11in Palm Beach

01:03:12knew him.

01:03:12He was a fixture

01:03:13in Palm Beach.

01:03:14There was the

01:03:15infamous interview

01:03:16where he called

01:03:17Epstein a great

01:03:19guy, likes women

01:03:21on the younger

01:03:22side.

01:03:23Jeffrey Epstein's

01:03:2450th birthday

01:03:25book in 2003

01:03:26has a drawing

01:03:29of a nude

01:03:30female figure

01:03:31with Trump's

01:03:32name on it.

01:03:33He denies

01:03:34that it's his

01:03:35signature.

01:03:36We have multiple

01:03:36handwriting experts

01:03:38saying that it is.

01:03:40I don't do

01:03:41drawings.

01:03:42I'm not a drawing

01:03:43person.

01:03:43The fact that he

01:03:45had such a long

01:03:46personal friendship

01:03:47with Epstein

01:03:49raises questions

01:03:50about what he knew

01:03:52about Epstein's

01:03:53behavior.

01:03:53I had a falling

01:03:55out with him

01:03:55a long time ago.

01:03:56I don't think I've

01:03:56spoken to him

01:03:57for 15 years.

01:03:58I wasn't a fan.

01:04:00When do you think

01:04:01it was that the

01:04:02Epstein files actually

01:04:03started becoming a

01:04:04big problem for

01:04:05President Trump?

01:04:06I think it became

01:04:07a problem soon after

01:04:10he assumed office

01:04:11again.

01:04:11We are going to

01:04:13drain the swamp

01:04:14and we're going to

01:04:14do it once and for

01:04:16all.

01:04:16Prior to his

01:04:17re-election, he had

01:04:18been asked point blank,

01:04:20would you support

01:04:20releasing the files?

01:04:22Would you declassify

01:04:23the Epstein files?

01:04:24Yeah.

01:04:25Yeah, I would.

01:04:26And many of the

01:04:27people around him,

01:04:29they said yes.

01:04:30Seriously, we need to

01:04:31release the Epstein list.

01:04:32That is an important

01:04:33thing.

01:04:34How is it that my

01:04:35father can be convicted

01:04:36of 34 crimes, but no

01:04:38one on Epstein's list

01:04:40has even been brought

01:04:42to light?

01:04:42So this was a campaign

01:04:44promise that they had

01:04:45made to their supporters.

01:04:47Ghislaine, look into

01:04:49her father, Robert

01:04:50Maxwell.

01:04:50Yeah.

01:04:51All the answers are

01:04:52right there.

01:04:52Because he was a spy.

01:04:53Trump built a coalition

01:04:54of followers who are

01:04:56very conspiratorial in

01:04:57their worldviews and were

01:04:59already Epstein

01:05:01conspiracy theorists.

01:05:03You don't know that

01:05:03she's 16 and she takes

01:05:05you in a room and that

01:05:05room is filled with

01:05:06cameras.

01:05:08Blackmail.

01:05:09Yeah.

01:05:10So there were fantasies

01:05:11about massive sex

01:05:13trafficking rings, views

01:05:15about blackmail rings and

01:05:17that Epstein was controlling

01:05:18all sorts of rich and

01:05:19powerful people.

01:05:20I believe very strongly

01:05:22he was a spy.

01:05:23Yes.

01:05:23And who do you think

01:05:24he was working for?

01:05:24The Israelis.

01:05:25Trump cozied up to

01:05:27QAnon and it created a

01:05:29lore around him that he

01:05:31was bringing down the

01:05:32police, evil, powerful

01:05:33people because the

01:05:34establishment was entirely

01:05:36corrupt and he was the

01:05:38outsider who was going to

01:05:39come in and drain the

01:05:40swamp.

01:05:48So early in Trump's

01:05:50second term, he appoints

01:05:52Pam Bonte as attorney

01:05:53general and she runs with

01:05:55the Epstein story almost

01:05:57immediately.

01:05:58This is something Donald

01:06:00Trump has talked about.

01:06:01The DOJ may be releasing the

01:06:03list of Jeffrey Epstein's

01:06:05clients.

01:06:05In February of 2025,

01:06:08Bonte goes out and says that

01:06:10she has the Epstein files and

01:06:13the client list on her desk.

01:06:16It's sitting on my desk right

01:06:17now to review.

01:06:19That's been a directive by

01:06:21President Trump.

01:06:22Then there's a 180 degree

01:06:24reversal.

01:06:26There's the release of the

01:06:27July memo from the FBI and

01:06:31the Department of Justice and

01:06:32the July memo says an

01:06:33extraordinary thing.

01:06:34It says that there are more

01:06:36than a thousand survivors of

01:06:38Jeffrey Epstein's abuse and

01:06:40then says there's nothing to

01:06:42investigate.

01:06:43There's nothing to release.

01:06:45Turn the other way.

01:06:47There was, quote, no client

01:06:49list or evidence that he

01:06:51blackmailed prominent figures

01:06:52according to a memo detailing

01:06:54the findings.

01:06:55The review also concluded that

01:06:57Epstein died by suicide while

01:06:59in custody at a Manhattan

01:07:00correctional facility.

01:07:01That memo just sent shockwaves

01:07:03throughout the American

01:07:05ether, especially with the

01:07:06MAGA base, who was so

01:07:08invested.

01:07:09All those videos are saying,

01:07:10yeah, she's seen the videos.

01:07:11It's all coming out.

01:07:12And then now it doesn't exist.

01:07:13I mean, what?

01:07:14What?

01:07:14Joe, I'm going to check the

01:07:15tweet that Elon just put out.

01:07:17Time to drop the really big

01:07:18bomb.

01:07:19Donald Trump is in the

01:07:20Epstein files.

01:07:21That's the real reason they

01:07:22have not been made public.

01:07:24The Jeffrey Epstein case has

01:07:25caused backlash within

01:07:26President Trump's base,

01:07:27you link conspiracy theories

01:07:29that more details exist but

01:07:31are being hidden from the

01:07:32public.

01:07:33I'm not going to play with

01:07:34these anymore.

01:07:35MAGA hats are off.

01:07:44Burn, baby, burn.

01:07:46And this is a great

01:07:47representation of what's left

01:07:48of MAGA.

01:07:50I think the president always

01:07:52felt like he could control

01:07:53his MAGA base.

01:07:54But it's the influencers who

01:07:55have also really kept this

01:07:57story alive and have been

01:07:59very critical of him.

01:08:00We voted for Trump because

01:08:01we wanted justice.

01:08:03And justice involves actually

01:08:05holding accountable the people

01:08:06who committed that wrongdoing.

01:08:07I can't reconcile this Donald

01:08:09Trump with the Trump that I

01:08:11voted for across multiple

01:08:12elections.

01:08:13The Epstein scandal is

01:08:14definitely terminal cancer to

01:08:16Trump's MAGA movement.

01:08:17There's no question about

01:08:18that.

01:08:18It just continued and

01:08:20continued.

01:08:20And the president himself kept

01:08:22calling it a hoax.

01:08:24Well, I haven't been overly

01:08:25interested in it.

01:08:26You know, it's something, it's

01:08:27a hoax that's been built up

01:08:28way beyond proportion.

01:08:30I know it's a hoax.

01:08:31It's started by Democrats.

01:08:33When you call something a

01:08:33hoax and yet people know that

01:08:35there's a tremendous amount of

01:08:36evidence out there that it's

01:08:37not a hoax, it makes them only

01:08:39you want to know more about

01:08:40it.

01:08:40The president writing on

01:08:41social media, my past

01:08:43supporters have bought into

01:08:44the BS hook, line and sinker.

01:08:46Let these weaklings continue

01:08:47forward and do the Democrats

01:08:49work because I don't want

01:08:50their support anymore.

01:08:52Some stupid Republicans and

01:08:54foolish Republicans fall into

01:08:55the net.

01:08:56I call it the Epstein hoax.

01:09:01Hello.

01:09:02Hi.

01:09:03Marjorie.

01:09:04Yes.

01:09:04Hello.

01:09:05Hi.

01:09:05I'm Grace Tobin.

01:09:06Nice to meet you.

01:09:07Nice to meet you too.

01:09:08Grab a seat under this big

01:09:09ball light.

01:09:10Yeah, that's quite a light.

01:09:12I know, isn't it?

01:09:13Oh my gosh, yeah.

01:09:15Do you think that these

01:09:17supporters are losing heart and

01:09:18losing trust in President Trump

01:09:20now because of the Epstein

01:09:22files?

01:09:23Many of them, yes.

01:09:24It was a line in the sand for

01:09:26them.

01:09:27They couldn't understand it the

01:09:28same way I couldn't understand

01:09:29it.

01:09:30Why would he cover this up?

01:09:31And that was, um, that was

01:09:35something that none of us ever

01:09:36expected from President Trump.

01:09:46I'm Rick Fraser and I'm, I

01:09:49presently live in St. Mary's,

01:09:50Ohio.

01:09:51It is good.

01:09:52Mm.

01:09:53Strong.

01:09:55I'm a front row Joe and I'd show

01:09:57up five, six days ahead of time to

01:10:00one of his rallies.

01:10:02It's very quick, but it's

01:10:03brutal.

01:10:04I still worked hard to help

01:10:05Trump, you know, get elected.

01:10:08But being honest with you, it

01:10:11pisses me off that if I can use

01:10:13that language that on one hand

01:10:16we were promised by the

01:10:18president that this is going to

01:10:19happen.

01:10:21Then on the other hand, he turns

01:10:23around and it didn't happen.

01:10:25And I can't see why he, who he's

01:10:28protecting me.

01:10:29I honestly, in my mind, don't

01:10:31think he's involved.

01:10:32You can be in pictures with

01:10:34anyone, but until we got

01:10:36transparency, how do we know?

01:10:44There is new pressure on the

01:10:46Trump administration from

01:10:47Republicans looking into the

01:10:49Jeffrey Epstein case.

01:10:50Donald Trump is aimed at one of

01:10:52his own Republican

01:10:53congressman, Thomas Massey.

01:10:55This moron, Thomas Massey.

01:10:58There's something wrong with him.

01:11:05When did you first start

01:11:07becoming concerned about what's

01:11:10now known as the Epstein files?

01:11:12So it started a couple years ago

01:11:14for me, and it really came to

01:11:17the forefront when President

01:11:18Trump and people in his cabinet

01:11:20promised that they were going to

01:11:22release these files, but none of

01:11:25them followed through on their

01:11:26promise, which became suspicious

01:11:28to me.

01:11:29My Democrat colleague, Ro Khanna,

01:11:32from California, cares about the

01:11:34victims.

01:11:35And so I reached out to him and

01:11:38said, Ro, if I do a discharge

01:11:42petition, do you think you could get

01:11:44every single Democrat to sign it?

01:11:49And he did deliver on that promise.

01:11:52Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican

01:11:54Thomas Massey are leading a

01:11:56bipartisan push in the House for the

01:11:58release of the Epstein files.

01:11:59People feel that the rich and the

01:12:01powerful have been not held

01:12:04accountable, that they have a

01:12:05different set of rules and that

01:12:07there may be government officials

01:12:08involved.

01:12:09Thomas Massey just filed a discharge

01:12:11petition to force this vote on

01:12:13releasing the files.

01:12:15That's something that Speaker Mike

01:12:16Johnson has really been trying to

01:12:18avoid.

01:12:19The White House has warned Republicans

01:12:21not to side with Massey, even the

01:12:23White House official telling reporters

01:12:25last night that this would be viewed as an

01:12:26act of hostility.

01:12:33Well, I have a 98 percent voting record with the

01:12:37president, was one of his most loyal

01:12:39defenders.

01:12:41Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up.

01:12:44Come.

01:12:46Thank you, Mr. President.

01:12:48All right, Georgia, we know what we're going to do

01:12:50in 2024.

01:12:52He was angry at me for siding with Thomas

01:12:55Massey and signing on the discharge

01:12:57petition.

01:12:58To me, it was a matter of right and wrong and

01:13:01standing up for these women.

01:13:02The greatest president in the United States

01:13:05history, Donald J. Trump.

01:13:07Right, Georgia?

01:13:11Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's the female

01:13:13version of Donald Trump, as she was full-blood

01:13:16MAGA.

01:13:16So for her to be one of the people to stand up

01:13:20against him is very significant in American

01:13:23politics.

01:13:24He was losing control of the situation.

01:13:29When you signed that discharge petition, afterwards

01:13:33you took a phone call with President Trump.

01:13:36He said that it was going to hurt people that

01:13:39he knew.

01:13:40What people?

01:13:41I don't know.

01:13:42I still don't know that to this day.

01:13:44But the way he treated me and the names that he

01:13:47called me sent death threats upon me and then

01:13:50my children.

01:13:58This is my fifth year in Congress, and this is the

01:14:01largest press conference that I've seen since I've

01:14:04been here.

01:14:05As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene started

01:14:08getting involved, the snowball started rolling.

01:14:11This is not about politics.

01:14:13This is a boiling point in American history.

01:14:17We see some very effective advocacy on behalf of the

01:14:20victims themselves.

01:14:22Why did he get away with it in 2008?

01:14:25Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected?

01:14:28Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable when so many

01:14:31others played a role?

01:14:32Let the public know the truth.

01:14:34I speak today not only in service of my own

01:14:37recovery, but to honor the lives, the courage and

01:14:40sacrifices of Virginia Dufresne and others who could

01:14:46not continue.

01:14:49Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

01:14:52have paid tribute to Virginia Dufresne at a rally in

01:14:55Washington, D.C.

01:14:57She took her own life in April this year.

01:15:01It made me very sad when she passed.

01:15:04This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and

01:15:08years, but the effects will always catch up.

01:15:12Virginia said it best, and I quote,

01:15:14They say time can heal, but this won't.

01:15:17Not until the justice system makes an example out of these

01:15:20people with so-called privileges.

01:15:22I just call it money.

01:15:24People believe her now.

01:15:26I mean, she won.

01:15:29Women in a sad way.

01:15:36So we gather here the steps of the Capitol to confront these

01:15:41corrupt forces.

01:15:44We know we have 212 Democrats and we have four Republicans,

01:15:50courageous Republicans.

01:15:51The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition on the

01:15:55Republican side of the aisle were all women.

01:15:58Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.

01:16:02They were woken up at 5 a.m.

01:16:05in the morning with the president saying, F this, F that.

01:16:09Get your effing name off of this thing.

01:16:11But to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong.

01:16:16There was a time when few believed that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files.

01:16:25And it was only after it became very clear that Trump was going to lose on this vote, then finally

01:16:33he claimed to support it.

01:16:36We've done a great job, and I hate to see that deflect from the great job we've done.

01:16:43So I'm all for it.

01:16:46What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote.

01:16:50The yeas are 427.

01:16:53The nays are 1.

01:16:55The bill is passed.

01:16:56And without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.

01:17:05Mr. Speaker, today's an extraordinary day in this chamber.

01:17:09This is about the powerless.

01:17:13Taking power away from the very powerful.

01:17:18When Trump back flipped on it, the survivors won.

01:17:23The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous consent.

01:17:32The bill forces the Justice Department to release Epstein-filed documents within 30 days.

01:17:57Once the Epstein-filed Transparency Act became law, there was a deadline.

01:18:03December 19th for the release of everything.

01:18:06Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche says, however, several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public, with more to

01:18:13come in the coming weeks.

01:18:14Hundreds of thousands.

01:18:16I could sit at home and just stay on the couch and not be involved, but being here is just

01:18:22historic.

01:18:24We can have a few hours till we find out.

01:18:26We're talking about a ton of information that may take some time just to process.

01:18:31The Justice Department has now begun the release of the Epstein files.

01:18:38The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that.

01:18:44There was a picture of Bill Clinton.

01:18:47There was very little about Donald Trump.

01:18:49It was widely regarded to have few major revelations.

01:18:55At least 550 pages were fully redacted.

01:18:59We have just a fraction right now of what is believed to exist.

01:19:03It failed in our book.

01:19:04We haven't received full transparency, and it's an incomplete release of the files.

01:19:10That must be his prison sale.

01:19:13I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency, and we're not really seeing it.

01:19:18And if that's the best they're going to do, I don't think we're ever going to get to the truth.

01:19:26This was a slap in the face of survivors.

01:19:29They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law.

01:19:32People kept trying to push for the release of the files, and six weeks later, all of a sudden, 3

01:19:40.5 million documents hit the public.

01:19:453 million pages of documents, 180,000 images, and 2,000 videos.

01:19:51The latest release of files related to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking in its size and its content.

01:19:58Of the 180,000 images released, these pictures of the king's brother seem to be what everyone is talking about.

01:20:05Police are assessing claims Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein.

01:20:14All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe.

01:20:19Active investigations are now underway in at least 10 countries.

01:20:23Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files in a search of any potential victims from that country.

01:20:30In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway has been charged with gross corruption.

01:20:35Poland's prime minister also says his country would investigate possible links between the convicted sex offender and Russian intelligence services.

01:20:42The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein, communications that they thought were private,

01:20:48are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally.

01:20:53My gosh, was this embarrassing.

01:20:56Can we start with Peter Atiyah?

01:20:58Elon Musk spent the entirety of last year saying,

01:21:01I refuse to go to the island.

01:21:03I refuse.

01:21:04And then the emails come out where he says,

01:21:06when's the Wildest Party?

01:21:07When can I come to your island?

01:21:08Good Lord.

01:21:09Another very prominent person caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course,

01:21:13claims that he picked up a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman.

01:21:18He's denied that publicly.

01:21:19We have this footage where Steve Bannon is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image.

01:21:27At the same time people are making sense of the 3.5 million files,

01:21:31there's Congress who is continuing to investigate this and continuing to call witnesses,

01:21:38including the attorney general.

01:21:45All right, getting back to our breaking news,

01:21:47Attorney General Pam Bondi is set to testify before the House Judiciary Committee at any moment now.

01:21:52Survivors say their identities were exposed because of inadequate redaction.

01:21:57Well, right now we're heading over to the Capitol.

01:21:59I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa.

01:22:04After that, we'll be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing.

01:22:18We have Congress working on our side,

01:22:20and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do.

01:22:24Hi, I'm Sam Malone. Nice to meet you.

01:22:26Hi.

01:22:26Hi, Lisa. Nice to meet you.

01:22:28Pleasure meeting you. Come on in.

01:22:29We have a camera guy following us.

01:22:31Oh my, I should have put my tie on.

01:22:40I want to take a moment to acknowledge the Epstein survivors who are here today.

01:22:45I am deeply sorry for what any victim, any victim has been through.

01:22:51Attorney General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice

01:23:00has put them through with the absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.

01:23:17I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head, just not even just a little bit,

01:23:22just to acknowledge, it doesn't even have to be an apology, but to acknowledge that we were there

01:23:28and that we represent 1,200 survivors.

01:23:33To my right is an email that was sent by the victim's lawyers to the DOJ.

01:23:38It was a list of names not to release.

01:23:41They released this email.

01:23:43Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did.

01:23:48And we know you touched the document because you redacted the lawyer's name,

01:23:52but you left the survivor's name there.

01:23:53So I really have just one question for you.

01:23:57How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted?

01:24:00How many perpetrators are you even investigating?

01:24:05First, you showed it. I find it.

01:24:08How many have you indicted?

01:24:09Excuse me, I'm going to answer the question.

01:24:11Answer my question.

01:24:12No, I'm going to answer the question the way I want to answer the question.

01:24:15No, you're going to answer the question the way I asked it.

01:24:21I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person, like, wow.

01:24:28They really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason.

01:24:32And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why, right?

01:24:51Are you looking at the reaction in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world

01:24:57and scratching your head with what's going on here?

01:25:00Yes.

01:25:00I see a different attitude overseas.

01:25:04The untouchables are touchable now.

01:25:08Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.

01:25:11The BBC understands that he has been arrested

01:25:14on suspicion of misconduct in public office.

01:25:17It comes weeks after the Justice Department released emails

01:25:20Andrew allegedly sent to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein in 2010.

01:25:26I think for several years, we'd always imagined that it could come to this place

01:25:32and he was arrested.

01:25:34And I still found myself absolutely speechless for the first couple of hours.

01:25:38Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time

01:25:41and appears to have forwarded Epstein British government documents on trade policy.

01:25:46But this wasn't the story that we were following at all.

01:25:48This was something completely different.

01:25:49Now, Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US, has also now been arrested.

01:25:56And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go.

01:25:59We are probably only at the very beginning.

01:26:02Over two dozen people have resigned.

01:26:05CEOs, members of government worldwide.

01:26:08But I haven't seen any arrests or investigations here in the United States

01:26:13from this Department of Justice.

01:26:15As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe,

01:26:20this is how sophisticated democracies react to alarming information.

01:26:25They investigate.

01:26:27I have nothing to hide.

01:26:28I've been exonerated.

01:26:29I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.

01:26:32What we're seeing in the United States is Trump's Justice Department

01:26:36trying to say that there is nothing to see here.

01:26:39Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking girls to other powerful men?

01:26:45According to the Associated Press' review of the files, the FBI says no.

01:26:51In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse,

01:26:55do you personally know of evidence that exists within the Department of Justice,

01:27:01within the FBI, that has not come out yet?

01:27:04I do.

01:27:06I do.

01:27:07I do.

01:27:11You know, when you have different girls telling the same stories,

01:27:16cooperating with each other, that's powerful, really powerful.

01:27:22So, and again, I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing.

01:27:30I know of people that girls were traded out to and have not come out.

01:27:40I tend to believe that this story is going to outlive me because it's filled with so many mysteries,

01:27:48things people don't know.

01:27:52We don't know the depth of the cover-up yet, but I think this will eventually rank up there with

01:27:59Watergate.

01:28:02Hopefully, the American public is going to continue to care about this story

01:28:05and continue to demand that we get all of the answers.

01:28:12We're done laying down and being quiet.

01:28:16Now we're screaming in public.

01:28:20It's a serious question.

01:28:21I'm sorry.

01:28:21Do you think you're the devil itself?

01:28:23I don't know.

01:28:24Why would you say that?

01:28:25Because you have all the attributes.

01:28:27You're incredibly smart.

01:28:28You remember, the devil is somebody who knows.

01:28:30The devil's what?

01:28:32Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil.

01:28:35Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man.

01:28:40And he used all of that for evil.

01:28:46We do not do this story justice if we think it starts and ends with Epstein.

01:28:51Of course it doesn't.

01:28:52There is so much further to go.

01:29:03We do not do this story.

01:29:32We do not do this story.

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