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Fragmento del programa "La Mañana", conducido por Mauro Viale en el canal estatal ATC (Argentina Televisora Color), emitidos originalmente el 3 de agosto de 1995.
Contexto del Programa
En estas emisiones, Mauro Viale abordó el impacto mediático del famoso "Caso Bariloche" (o Incidente Polanco), ocurrido apenas unas semanas antes, el 31 de julio de 1995. El programa se caracterizó por:
- Debate en el estudio: La participación de especialistas en ufología para discutir la veracidad del fenómeno, que incluyó un corte de energía total en la ciudad y el aeropuerto justo en el momento del avistamiento.
- Estilo Sensacionalista: El programa es recordado por el estilo dinámico y confrontativo de Viale, típico de los archivos de la televisión argentina de los 90.
Detalles del Incidente Tratado
El caso discutido en los videos es considerado uno de los eventos OVNI más importantes de Argentina debido a que:
- Fue observado por múltiples pilotos y personal de la torre de control.
- Provocó maniobras evasivas por parte de la aeronave civil para evitar una colisión.
Ese panel fue un verdadero "quién es quién" de la ufología argentina de los 90:
- Andrea Pérez Simondini: Hoy referente de CEFORA, en ese entonces ya participaba activamente en el análisis de evidencias físicas.
- Antonio Las Heras: Aportaba la visión desde la parapsicología y la ciencia, siendo un habitual en los debates de Viale.
- Juan Failla: Representaba la investigación de campo clásica y el contacto directo con testigos.
- José Alberto Tunich: Fue uno de los investigadores que analizó el fenómeno desde la óptica técnica.
- Roberto Banchs: Conocido por su enfoque más escéptico y riguroso, siempre buscando explicaciones racionales antes de concluir lo extraordinario.
- Pablo Warmkraut: Investigador que luego formaría parte de grupos importantes de difusión del fenómeno.
El programa es un documento histórico porque mezcló la seriedad de los investigadores con el ritmo frenético de Mauro Viale, justo cuando el país estaba conmocionado por el relato del piloto Jorge Polanco.
Contexto del Programa
En estas emisiones, Mauro Viale abordó el impacto mediático del famoso "Caso Bariloche" (o Incidente Polanco), ocurrido apenas unas semanas antes, el 31 de julio de 1995. El programa se caracterizó por:
- Debate en el estudio: La participación de especialistas en ufología para discutir la veracidad del fenómeno, que incluyó un corte de energía total en la ciudad y el aeropuerto justo en el momento del avistamiento.
- Estilo Sensacionalista: El programa es recordado por el estilo dinámico y confrontativo de Viale, típico de los archivos de la televisión argentina de los 90.
Detalles del Incidente Tratado
El caso discutido en los videos es considerado uno de los eventos OVNI más importantes de Argentina debido a que:
- Fue observado por múltiples pilotos y personal de la torre de control.
- Provocó maniobras evasivas por parte de la aeronave civil para evitar una colisión.
Ese panel fue un verdadero "quién es quién" de la ufología argentina de los 90:
- Andrea Pérez Simondini: Hoy referente de CEFORA, en ese entonces ya participaba activamente en el análisis de evidencias físicas.
- Antonio Las Heras: Aportaba la visión desde la parapsicología y la ciencia, siendo un habitual en los debates de Viale.
- Juan Failla: Representaba la investigación de campo clásica y el contacto directo con testigos.
- José Alberto Tunich: Fue uno de los investigadores que analizó el fenómeno desde la óptica técnica.
- Roberto Banchs: Conocido por su enfoque más escéptico y riguroso, siempre buscando explicaciones racionales antes de concluir lo extraordinario.
- Pablo Warmkraut: Investigador que luego formaría parte de grupos importantes de difusión del fenómeno.
El programa es un documento histórico porque mezcló la seriedad de los investigadores con el ritmo frenético de Mauro Viale, justo cuando el país estaba conmocionado por el relato del piloto Jorge Polanco.
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00:00...whose testimony I trust completely and finds entirely truthful...
00:03Polanco, yes, yes, me too.
00:05Polanco, well, it was something.
00:07I want someone to come out and say, this is what it was, period.
00:12They might tell you, each person says it once.
00:14No, but who? What is it? It was on most of the news today...
00:17...with someone who is a specialist, nothing more...
00:18It came out in most places today...
00:20The filming is back, excuse me for interrupting.
00:24Let's see, let's see.
00:24It would be good if, when it appears, the director can stop the camera,
00:27so we can see if it is in front of the cloud cover or not.
00:32Let's see.
00:34There you have it, Tilo, wait, not yet.
00:36Not yet. Now that it's coming...
00:38No, not yet. Keep going a little longer.
00:40It's going to... There it is. Stop it there, let's see.
00:43The thing is, astronomers rely on the coordinates
00:47Those were the things that Jupiter had to be there that day.
00:51They are based on.
00:51I am not claiming that it is the planet Jupiter.
00:55I say that the Jupiter explanation is just one more, it's valid.
00:59and deserves to be taken into account, as do other explanations.
01:02that are looking at each other here on the table, right?
01:04Correct.
01:05There are more images.
01:06There's more.
01:06How much material is there?
01:07Isn't it worth doing a special program?
01:09We have over 2,000 videos of extraterrestrial spacecraft.
01:15Something very beautiful is happening right now,
01:18which is next.
01:19The ships are not only allowing themselves to be filmed,
01:23but they, seeing the limitations of our terrestrial cameras
01:27because of the reach of Zoom,
01:30The ships are approaching so they can be filmed.
01:33We have material that, if the director would be so kind as to pass it on...
01:36Can't you commit to doing a job tonight?
01:38only to one material?
01:39Of course, yes.
01:40Is it from 20 to 21?
01:41Well.
01:42Because the truth is that this material that I saw,
01:43Well, you can't expect me to know about this.
01:45But it's really impressive, isn't it?
01:46Well.
01:47Because there's a lot of dubious material out there too, right?
01:50Yes, yes.
01:51Similar to a movie.
01:52That's not what I want to see, I want real documents.
01:54Of course, we don't have little lights,
01:56We have specific ships.
01:57Ships.
01:58That's what's important.
01:58Well, if not, let's get everything ready for tonight.
02:00The problem with the UFO phenomenon
02:02That's where the con artists selling this merchandise are.
02:05What do you call it?
02:06And then they dump the blame on those of us who investigate seriously.
02:09So, that's why people and scientists say,
02:12No, the UFO phenomenon does not exist because of a group of people
02:15that markets the theme.
02:17No, I mean, not because of the dinners, right?
02:18No no.
02:18No no.
02:19There's no need for fraud.
02:21Let me take a break and I'll be right back.
02:23No.
02:42Thank you!
02:43Thank you!
02:53Thank you!
03:12For the last 15 minutes, get ready, guys, about the topic of the disabled boy who
03:18He ran over people yesterday in the rural area, we've already talked enough, Guillermo tells us, meat for what
03:23the door of the Don Torcuato Don Bosco Institute and that the principal is there but doesn't attend to the
03:27I think, with all due respect, that the media should come out and issue a statement. Speaking out once isn't putting them in a difficult position.
03:33Nobody, no boy, but paying attention, not explaining a little what happened, that doesn't bother or inconvenience anyone.
03:39Job offer is going to be taken note. Courier service is looking for male staff over 18.
03:48years with motorcycle present in Roques a España 3192 Olivos province of Buenos Aires Pablo Arriola va
03:55Call 797 1189 from 9:30 to 12:00 and from 2:00 to 6:00 PM.
04:07personal messaging of
04:09Male over 18 years old with a motorcycle in Olivos. I'll leave it here; if you didn't understand, call again. Okay
04:16More great material about images that aren't movies and aren't real footage—what is this?
04:22We are in the year 1993 on a beach in Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine. Look, the cameraman is approaching.
04:30with its lens and when it reaches its maximum range the ship projects directly onto the cameraman
04:39Look at the tremendous speed as it approaches; now it's in slow motion, you can see it perfectly.
04:47The energy surrounding that ship is a lift energy; this ship has its own lift.
04:53Well, they don't have serious problems and now it's going to disappear for us, but
04:58They actually pass into another dimension at an incredible speed; they cease to be visible in order to pass
05:06to a dimension called the fourth dimension, but in reality, it's not that they aren't there, they still are.
05:12That takes much less time than there, it's there, how fast did it appear, however, and that continues, it's a
05:22Repetition of the same thing with a closer look at the same statement; there you can see perfectly that
05:28It appears to be a rhombus, but it isn't. Here we are in the year 1992 in Tepoztlán, Mexico. This is where it was prepared.
05:37a
05:37A scheduled encounter where a person felt an inner calling and had an experience on this ship
05:47She approached alone to be signed as well, and in that sighting there were actually many
05:56Scientists who documented these recordings, what is that, what shape does it have? Well, now there's an expansion
06:02bell-shaped, that's what this is, a shot of the base of the bottom part of the
06:09ship now
06:11A very impactful expansion is coming; this is the ship that is currently being studied by
06:20computers by American scientists and is composed of living plasma, this is a
06:27The material that only these beings can create, the living plasma, are living cells; there is the expansion
06:33It's been studied at the pixel level, and as a result, I see that every pixel and every little dot that made up
06:39The ships were all the same because they were ships made of living plasma, as corroborated by American scientists.
06:46I don't know if the study will be released, maybe not because it's very compressed; there's another shot of the
06:51ship look look
06:52That shot is very impressive; what we're seeing is incredible. Look at the tremendous close-up there.
06:57These are ships that come from much more advanced worlds; we are very far from understanding this technology.
07:05Someday we will understand; they are between matter and gas at that moment when they disappear.
07:14Okay, here it continues, showing the house to take the reference from the ground, and then there's the apparition.
07:24from the ship we saw earlier, and they are ships that come from different places, not just from ours.
07:34galaxy but of other galaxies here we are in the year 1993 in Monterrey Mexico on a channel program
07:42Two people from Televisa are filming a sunset in the sun and suddenly the sun comes out and a spaceship appears, look for it
07:49favor
07:49Viewers on the left side of the sun, at the left angle upwards, will see an object that has
07:57an enormous size, keep in mind that we are talking about the distance from the Earth to the Sun, an extraordinary distance.
08:05There we go, pay attention, there it came out, there it came out, look at that size
08:12The fact that it's visible from Earth means that the ship was enormous; it must be several kilometers long.
08:18distance so that he can sunbathe
08:25It aired on Televisa not only in Europe but also in Mexico, sorry, I meant in Europe and in the USA, here we are showing
08:35Images of Salto, Uruguay, are a ship called "platos" (plates). These plates, called by us "platos," are...
08:42In a vertical position, it's daytime here, you can see much better here, they are vertical and the circle
08:52or the
08:52The shadow in the center represents what would be the command dome of that same ship.
08:58time
08:58It was seen in several countries, not only in Uruguay but also in Belgium and Italy.
09:06It all happened in '93, they let themselves be seen, notice that they are letting me film, it's an approximation
09:14It's quite good because they need human beings to understand and become aware that we are not
09:21alone in the universe, knowing that God has created life everywhere and that we are all sons and daughters
09:29of
09:29We have one God, that's why we don't have to divide and separate; there's other material for tonight.
09:34It needs to be repeated, there are many more real cases, right? Yes, yes, yes, maybe a small clarification.
09:40And of course, most of us researchers are scientific, meaning we dedicate ourselves to the subject based on science.
09:46We're not skeptical when it comes to light projections; we agree there's a great
09:52percentage that is truthful but when the shapes start to appear you have to start analyzing the
10:00The material must be examined very thoroughly because, unfortunately, there is a lot of doctored material; this needs to be analyzed.
10:07by computing, by a bunch of guidelines from the origin, the source of the material is also sorry, it's
10:14Analyzed through a computer, you just saw it; in principle, what we are observing is...
10:20These images appear to be special effects achieved with a zoom lens, though not entirely clear.
10:25Well, when you zoom in and out on an image, it becomes distorted, and a shape can appear...
10:30dish etcetera etcetera of course if someone else talks about what was seen is another thing I think a
10:35It's a contradiction, isn't it? Of course, the contradiction lies in the fact that if we let ourselves be guided by the movies...
10:40In science fiction we can relate a light to anything; actually I'm talking about
10:45What is being seen at this moment, the description and the interpretation is very personal
10:51Everyone interprets it in their own way. Now, how would this trick work? This trickery, like the person who...
10:58How is this material taken and what makes it good? This serious step would be... I'm not...
11:04saying no
11:04I'm talking about this; I'm saying that simply zooming in and out on an image achieves effects
11:10special
11:11It cannot be analyzed by means of computing
11:12regarding this
11:13It takes something from reality and adds more things to make it seem more sensationalist than
11:18call
11:18Poor service, of course, what for? The important thing would be to analyze this material.
11:22The culprit now needs to be taken to a computer and scientifically analyzed.
11:27Mauro, Mauro, let's clarify, it's being clarified that the images were later... no, sorry, I don't have...
11:35My hands analyze it, well the video has a very interesting part that would satisfy the...
11:43This question has a part done by American computer scientists where they
11:50They explain the entire study they have done; unfortunately, this documentation is very compact.
11:56They are American scientists; there is a translator who explains it perfectly, and there
12:03You can see how computers study each of the little dots; in computing, it's said in pixels that
12:09These images make up... well, I'm wrapping up. Let's leave this material for tonight. Are you committed? I like it.
12:16I'll show this a lot at night so that the same people can see it, plus other people, plus this material, plus other material.
12:21We simply put it up, each of us can do what we want. I really like that it's not like a movie, but rather...
12:25be
12:26real material, then if it's faked or not, I'm not in a position to say, but at least
12:31We offered people this material to be studied, but it's already arranged with the other side.
12:38It's not that they want to give it away; it would be extraordinary if it could be digitized and
12:42To computerize for good viewing and study, we can offer all the necessary materials.
12:48Studying it, there's no way to know how much material it has, how many hours we have to do a
12:53It's a one-year program, so we can see what they accumulate, what they store, what they archive; it's all there.
12:59archived yes we can do programs this whenever you want to invite people no no tonight you have
13:06committed to showing one after another with dates as documentation, much of the audience is taking
13:13Note: We have commitments and there's something that's been arranged to stay tonight, so don't miss the program.
13:19Because they're going to see a lot of things, and I don't want to miss it. I'd like to point out a few things in
13:26Regarding the topic that brings us together today, which is the Bariloche UFO, it is correct to first point out the
13:34courage and clarity of the statements made by the commanders of the national gendarmerie and of
13:41Argentine areolinas for their sincere and clear public expressions that have taken place in recent days
13:52Secondly, it should be noted that this is not about refuting or attempting to subdue, let's say.
14:01scrupulous public interrogations, including those related to the good faith and quality of the testimonies of
14:10The pilots here in third place, I think it's worth noting that something was undoubtedly seen even...
14:22The investigation must continue; I believe that special caution should be exercised in issuing
14:27Any hasty judgment regarding what was seen in fourth place, I believe the pronouncement gives
14:38a response in some way to certain conspiratorial speculations regarding the alleged silencing
14:46official regarding the issue, on the contrary, here national gendarmerie personnel, personnel of
14:54Argentine airlines have generously offered to give their testimonies on camera and on the radio.
15:02with absolute freedom, and this is very important to point out. On the other hand, I believe that the approach, the beginning of this
15:14The investigation into the Bariloche incident must also include a contextual analysis of
15:22the events that have occurred and are occurring at this time, to highlight some of them
15:31announced French nuclear experiments in the Pacific, the Antofagasta earthquake in Chile
15:40Russian-American activity in space, that is, this could be related in some way, either by the
15:49Whether by land or extraterrestrial means, the interest undoubtedly lies with us, and perhaps through that route we will find out.
15:58find some sort of explanation and finally we must also remember a precedent that occurred in that
16:08right there at that very airport of San Carlos de Bariloche, on July 23, 1968, when personnel
16:18Aeronautical control tower pilots civilian personnel testify to having witnessed a UFO a form
16:29well defined and clear, they tried in vain to communicate with this object, which was undoubtedly presumed to be a
16:40Subsequent reports on the UFO sighting, given in mid-September, concluded that it was the
16:49presence of a bomber or a tactical research aircraft related precisely to the
16:58nuclear tests that France at that time was the tenth nuclear test it was conducting in the
17:05peaceful pardon, where did the US plane come from that had, let's say, entered and
17:12Nobody had detected it and it had a base, let's say, in the first place in Mendoza, sitting there with a certain
17:19Out of prudence, they could not effectively communicate with him; this constituted, let's say, a
17:27violation of current traffic regulations and so this was communicated by the
17:33Official circles say this may be something similar. Well, I feel the precedent of this.
17:40The incident occurred in San Carlos de Bariloche itself; the possibility, of course, remains open.
17:46to investigate, but I was just thinking the same thing. I say the air force should say
17:55I should say something about this because there's talk that there's something, whatever it is, that is
18:04within Argentine airspace, says a commander who is also a poor man who
18:10He doesn't understand anything, one commander says it, the other commander says it, the control tower says it, there's one
18:16thing going around in the air, not the air force should say because it corresponds because it is the one that
18:23He has to protect the airspace, he doesn't believe there are UFOs, just because he doesn't believe, no, this isn't about that.
18:29of
18:29Something must have happened now, something must have happened between two years ago, and if this didn't exist, and the commanders of the
18:38Iran
18:38They'll have to say they're delusional, and if it existed, they'll have to say we don't know what it is, we're investigating, or
18:45He'll have to say it's such and such, which I hope doesn't happen to us like it did in September, which I hope
18:53Let's not repeat what happened in September of '86, when they floated a trial balloon. I hope we don't...
18:58Let's not let that happen to us. Yes, you just said that if they say he's delusional, how is that, of course, if they're going to
19:07to say that
19:07They're delusional, let them say it, of course, let them say it, but also with proof, so of course, to everyone, because he says that
19:15They're delirious, it seems you want to be neighbors, forces, it was that they saw six-fingered people, no no no
19:20But it can't be done, it can't be done. It's very easy to deny, it's also easy to deny, to say no, but not to put
19:28the
19:29Evidence on the table, how do they expect us to put it? No, it's not serious, kid, it's very often.
19:33No, it's not serious. Something gets into your house and you go in, it's not serious, nobody can do that.
19:41Those things that are less important to public opinion in this case with newspapers that
19:46Whether it's newspapers, television, or radio, I think it wouldn't cost them anything to say two words what
19:51What happened, or what do you think happened, or are they going to conduct an investigation? Patience, patience is fine.
19:56For all the people who said this testimony was a lie, the question is, well, you now separate the
20:03I don't think physical phenomena have intelligent movements like you guys here.
20:08They're lying, what do I know about this topic? It's not good. You yourselves said it's truncated, it's truncated.
20:12I don't know what the debate is about, but there's something very important that needs to be said here.
20:20Here we need to say something very important when one does research
20:28To have a self-definition, I wanted to take the test, and they took me to Cordoba, and I was able to get the results.
20:35the photos you took and I have the photos that I brought, I don't have the photo of the UFOs like
20:41they come and go
20:42from the mountains as well as being good at such a distance and are a light similar to what we saw
20:49No, but they are generated.
20:51a possibility, a possibility, well, bring them, these photos are here, here, yes, the one I want to spend positive days
20:58Here are the photos, fine.
21:01Here's the photo with the ones for the days we don't send it to you, photo number one
21:11But since that doesn't go to the point, I'm going to say four lines that I thought of; you know I'm a doctor.
21:16in
21:17Social psychology then conducted an analysis of this; I'm not going to describe a reality for the
21:21Mauro's audience broadcasts the report on Polanco. Mauro meets with us yesterday to discuss the issue. Mauro gathers this
21:30heterodox table Mauro is scandalized by what we say epilogue notice how a good one is made
21:39business to increase rating, he charges us for free
21:48I'm sitting in a bar for the first time, feeling the gaze of people watching me.
21:58"I can't take it anymore, like a madman," he always tells me.