00:05Allora, l'elemento dello squalo come metafora che affascina ma inquieta e molto forte, chi sono gli squali oggi?
00:30Come, first of all, from Steven Spielberg's film, Jaws, which became a cultural phenomenon in the world in the 70s,
00:41so I really believe that when you tell a story, if you use cultural references, could be a song, or
00:48a book, or a film, or a television show, or a moment on television,
00:55it helps you tell the story and contextualize, historically, the story you're trying to tell, but the other thing with
01:04Jaws and with the shark element is that I happen to come from a city which has a real shark
01:11problem,
01:11so Spielberg's film and a real shark problem, which I experienced even as a child, makes it a really interesting
01:23set of ideas for the film.
01:27And then, what does the shark mean? A shark is a predator, natural predator, apex predator, and I think it
01:37stands for all our worst fears, you know, the fear of death, the fear of violent death, and the fear
01:43of blood in the water.
01:45And all of that, I think, is very strong as a narrative line, and it seems to work really well,
01:54because I get a lot of questions like yourself, and the audiences are always reacting to the shark idea in
02:03the film.
02:07No, I was just thinking that when I was, I was, Cleber mentioned that I was doing this play in
02:14Brazil, and the play's based, it's a play that I wrote with the director, Cristiano Jatay,
02:20and the play's based on Ibsen's play, An Enemy of the People, and that play, it plays about a guy
02:29who discovers that the water of the city is contaminated,
02:31and then he tries to advise the mayor about it, and the mayor just asks, that says that he can't
02:40do that, because that would break the city down, the economics of the city.
02:45And that is exactly the plot of Jaws. So Spielberg sort of like stole the plot of that play to
02:53Jaws.
02:54Yes. And I talked to Cleber a lot about this play, because as the character in the play, Thomas Stockman,
03:02the character that I play in the film is just a man who is trying to live his truth.
03:09You know, and the idea that the truth, as we know it is over, I think it's sort of, it's
03:15very present in the film, which is a film about memory or the lack of memory.
03:21So it's a weird connection that I'm building here, but it's really, I remember that we spoke about this play
03:32a lot when we were working on the film.
03:45Well, I actually believe that capitalism may eat itself, but I think we're still in the middle of a very
03:53complicated process, which is the world of capitalism.
03:59I think the film makes a few remarks about the way we live today. Two men are hired to kill
04:08another person. And then once they get to the city, they find someone they can, they have to subcontract and
04:16make more money on the job that they were originally hired to do.
04:23And I really believe that there is a Girotti, which is an important character in the film, and the actions
04:32he takes, they are connected to his own idea of making business.
04:36So I think capitalism, unfortunately, still deals all the cards in modern life.
04:46Maybe in a more optimistic way, I can see capitalism eating itself. But even as it eats itself, it hopes
04:53to make some money along the process.
05:00Grazie.
05:01Grazie.
05:06Grazie.
